The History of Taiwan's Mysterious "Position" Camouflage Helmet Cover

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @SSGTStryker
    @SSGTStryker Před 5 měsíci +71

    Only Uniform History could make a 16:29 minute long video about a helmet cover…and make it really interesting.

  • @hoffmannotto7227
    @hoffmannotto7227 Před 5 měsíci +55

    As a Taiwanese and a old school ROC army equipment collector
    It’s happy to see my country’s camouflage in a foreign youtube video
    This camouflage cover have also given a name called garrison camouflage due to it’s design for outer island environments and use by the army outer island unit until mid 90s
    But there’s also couple photo of military police using this three color camouflage cover until early 2000s
    and also this camouflage cover was never officially issued by army because it’s made by civil company

  • @dashikashi4734
    @dashikashi4734 Před 5 měsíci +50

    I kinda see why they went for it, it's almost like the Israeli helmet cover or dazzle camo working to disrupt the head shape over concealment

    • @rimanahbvee
      @rimanahbvee Před 5 měsíci +6

      Like ship camo too, fucked up shapes

  • @gweather3847
    @gweather3847 Před 5 měsíci +33

    For people that wanna collect this helmet cover in Taiwan, it is hard to find this helmet cover in brick-and mortar military surplus stores or flea markets now, because lots of military surplus about ROCA's "grass green uniform"(草綠服) on the market were bought by crazy collectors in 2000s(Their method of purchasing basically was buying every military surplus things they can see in stores at that time.), so most of "Position" helmet cover are sold by collectors at online C2C websites now, such as 露天(Ruten) or 蝦皮(Shopee), the common price is around NT$100 to NT$250 depending on helmet cover's condition or production year. BTW, if you are lucky, you may still can find it in some old military surplus shops or big flea markets and its price will be much cheaper.

    • @hoffmannotto7227
      @hoffmannotto7227 Před 5 měsíci +1

      上次看到有一個60塊的被買走 超可惜

    • @syang1116
      @syang1116 Před 5 měsíci +1

      luckily i got one of this

    • @gweather3847
      @gweather3847 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​​@@hoffmannotto7227我前幾年在台中某跳蚤市場也有遇到賣60元的,那個時候還不識貨就沒買,現在想起來也頗可惜的

  • @piscinaiv7937
    @piscinaiv7937 Před 5 měsíci +56

    I love the big geometric patterns. Reminds me of Swedish M90.

  • @jfu5222
    @jfu5222 Před 5 měsíci +6

    This cover does a great job of breaking up the outline of the helmet, better than the Mitchell pattern in use during the same period.

  • @JamesMartin-bu8yu
    @JamesMartin-bu8yu Před 5 měsíci +6

    The green and tan on the helmet seems okay. The blue though? Yikes. I could spot that blue section from 500 yards. Turn it into a dull brown and it's basically a multicam colored "dazzle" helmet.

  • @Drownedinblood
    @Drownedinblood Před 5 měsíci +21

    Just look at it this way, if you were invading an island, you are more likely looking up from a beach. What colors do you see? Green for foliage, khaki/white for rock and maybe clouds, and blue for the sky...if you are a defender you are likely dug in and looking downward, most likely thing to be seen would be your helmet.

  • @ReviveHF
    @ReviveHF Před 5 měsíci +8

    The main reason to use this helmet cover is for identification purposes. During Cold War, many Asian countries that opposes Soviet Union adopted US M1 Steel Helmet and OG107 combat uniform. You can just compare a 1980s fully equipped Malaysian soldier with the 1980s fully equipped Republic of China soldier, you will notice there's little differences between the two. It's just the same American olive green combat uniform and the M1 Steel Helmet. So, the helmet cover is the best item to create seperate country identify at that time.
    But now, things are easier because now every countries uses different camo pattern and colours.

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot Před 4 měsíci +1

      Half the countries today are using Multicam or a close copy...

  • @robertdonnell8114
    @robertdonnell8114 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thank you sir, this was actually interesting. I think that the made from scrap cloth and then standardizing that is the most likely origin. It is not too bad as the pattern does kinda break up the "helmet" shape.

  • @birdmt2491
    @birdmt2491 Před 5 měsíci +14

    陣地迷彩。我是台灣人🇹🇼。謝謝您分享與製作節目。😊自由與民主的台灣🇹🇼😊

  • @leondillon8723
    @leondillon8723 Před 5 měsíci +3

    0:58) The PRC ? When I was an US Army infatry man, I often had to carry the Portable Radio Communications (PRC).
    All radio models were called "pricks".

  • @themobilecannon
    @themobilecannon Před 5 měsíci +17

    Are you still going to make a Swiss Hemet Cover video? I think that it would be really informative and cool!

    • @boffinboy100
      @boffinboy100 Před 5 měsíci +2

      My friend tried to do that - there's more variants than you think and he's almost permanently postponed the update video

  • @Tadicuslegion78
    @Tadicuslegion78 Před 5 měsíci +175

    I'm sure this comment section will remain bot free

    • @thesuit4820
      @thesuit4820 Před 5 měsíci +30

      Or they'll blend in so well we'll never know, because, something something camouflage. It was funnier in my head.

    • @Tadicuslegion78
      @Tadicuslegion78 Před 5 měsíci +10

      @@thesuit4820everyone thinks they’re funnier in their head

    • @mrkitty1997
      @mrkitty1997 Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@@thesuit4820no no, it was quite chuckle inducing. Thank you 😅

    • @hohoho13
      @hohoho13 Před 5 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂 Good one!

    • @greyfells2829
      @greyfells2829 Před 5 měsíci

      ALBANIA #1 STRONGEST MILITARY

  • @blackjack5908
    @blackjack5908 Před 5 měsíci +102

    The real China 🇹🇼

    • @Danny344S
      @Danny344S Před 5 měsíci +23

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    • @user-vb3lf4lf2p
      @user-vb3lf4lf2p Před 5 měsíci +2

      Owns: 0 china clay

    • @Danny344S
      @Danny344S Před 5 měsíci

      @@user-vb3lf4lf2p minus 600 social credits 🇨🇳

    • @blackjack5908
      @blackjack5908 Před 5 měsíci +11

      @@Danny344S The Chinese International Police are now at my door, help

    • @Danny344S
      @Danny344S Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@blackjack5908 oh noes you have to talk to Winnie the Pooh now

  • @johnwalton5576
    @johnwalton5576 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Wow! Never knew anything about these, thanks!

  • @izzyoaksofficial
    @izzyoaksofficial Před 5 měsíci +2

    Hey, Uniform History, I love your videos and was wondering if you could make a video on Russian digital patterns, like ratnik, digital flora, and EMR.

  • @_lonewolf_7917
    @_lonewolf_7917 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I’m a fan of that transition at 0:25 and idk why 👌

  • @gunterstraus606
    @gunterstraus606 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Very cool. It is interesting how common helmets are the first items to be camouflaged

  • @robertricketts5467
    @robertricketts5467 Před 5 dny

    The ROC's 'Military Police' is analogous to the Gendarmerie Nationale(Fr), Imperial Japan's Kempeitai or Italy's Carabinieri.All are, or were, seperate branches of their respective Nation's Armed Forces with very specific and often specialized roles within national defence such as internal security,executive and VIP protection,counter-espionage/counter-subversion and the security of sensistive Government sites

  • @ScoutSniper3124
    @ScoutSniper3124 Před 5 měsíci +2

    As a retired U.S. Army Sniper, and an aficionado of camouflage in general, I'd say that most camouflage tends to blend together to the eye at distance. The best camo for hiding at 20 feet from detection might just look like one color and shaped like a human at 2,000 feet. The larger and more distinct the color differences, the better it MAY work at distance, even though it's pure crap up close. My 2 cents.
    SSG. U.S. Army (Medically Retired) Infantry / Sniper / SOF Intel (SOT-A), multiple tours

    • @r7calvin
      @r7calvin Před 5 měsíci

      Are there any patterns that attempt to target multiple distances? I'm imagining filling in the big shapes in this Taiwanese pattern with different colored digital camo.

  • @chinesemassproduction
    @chinesemassproduction Před 5 měsíci +12

    2:20 "...saw a wave of reforms" Lol nice

  • @SashaTheDog
    @SashaTheDog Před 5 měsíci +8

    Imagine an entire uniform made in such a style.
    It could work even if the idea is silly.

  • @Tax_Collector01
    @Tax_Collector01 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Helmets 🪖 keep my head warm and sturdy.

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Před 5 měsíci +2

    Really fascinating stuff!

  • @bryanschuler9097
    @bryanschuler9097 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Kinmen is the Wade-Giles transliteration of the name 金門 of the offshore island adjacent to Xiamen City. In the Wade -Giles system 'K' has the same phonetic value as 'J' has in typical English speech. Thus Kin men is pronounced like Jin-mun . The widely used Pinyin transliteration renders the characters 金門 as Jin Men. The actual lexical translation of 金 is "gold" or "metal" and 門 translates as "gate". you will be more correct in future to investigate the several variances of transliteration of Chinese place names from the phonetic values of an unrelated language, Hint: Xiamen above has a slightly tricky rendering for a native English speaker. Look it up.

  • @1joshjosh1
    @1joshjosh1 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I think from a distance it really works because it doesn't look like a helmet then

  • @VicFromFallout
    @VicFromFallout Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great video

  • @avus-kw2f213
    @avus-kw2f213 Před 5 měsíci +1

    5:32 actually it’s the juche calendar

  • @froginthewaves8450
    @froginthewaves8450 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Awesome Video!

  • @vortagnachricht5547
    @vortagnachricht5547 Před 5 měsíci +5

    The German Reich wasn't formed in 1933. "Deutsches Reich" was the official name of Germany from 1871 to 1945.

    • @janlippert4639
      @janlippert4639 Před 5 měsíci

      Nope before WWI it was the KaiserReich, after WWI it was called Weimarer Republik. And after that just called Deutsches Reich or 3. Reich bei the nationalists.

    • @vortagnachricht5547
      @vortagnachricht5547 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@janlippert4639 the Weimarer Republic is a name given to the first republic existing within the Deutsche Reich. It describes the form of government and doesn't replace the country name. The official name of the country from its formation in 1871 until 1945 was Deutsches Reich.

    • @herosstratos
      @herosstratos Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​​​@@janlippert4639Wrong. Just have a look at the stamps of that era.

  • @user-iz2kk2fw4g
    @user-iz2kk2fw4g Před 5 měsíci

    I’ve been trying to find one of these helmet covers for the longest time.

  • @Willy_Tepes
    @Willy_Tepes Před 5 měsíci +2

    You just breezed over the most likely explanation. These are scraps from the factory floor.

  • @Cabula1977
    @Cabula1977 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Wanna talk about bizarre helmet covers?
    During the 80s, the mexican army introduce new helmet cover for its m1 helmets (also for their m80s and PASGT helmers, but those would came later).
    They used a woodland type camo that used a lot of brown, tan and some green. They uses multiple camouflage pattern types through the 80s and 90s (some remind me of the yugoslavian oakleaf and the british DPM).

    • @FoxtrotFleet
      @FoxtrotFleet Před 5 měsíci +4

      What's bizarre about a woodland helmet cover? Is it because a desert pattern would be more sensible given the terrain?

    • @Cabula1977
      @Cabula1977 Před 5 měsíci

      @@FoxtrotFleet I said woodland type for its colors, dark brown (or some times a redish brown was uses instead)olive Green, and kahki if i remember correctly.
      Whats weird are the multiple patterns that shared its colors.
      Basically, there wasnt a single pattern(3-4), nor a standardized one. The construcción of the covers also vary, some using only 2 pieces AND others 3.

    • @FoxtrotFleet
      @FoxtrotFleet Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Cabula1977 Two piece helmet cover? Lmao why? Theyre such a simple a pattern to make. That's pretty interesting, yeah.

  • @RyanK2036
    @RyanK2036 Před 5 měsíci +17

    -5000 social credit 😡😡😡

  • @SkaMaRtiSt1991
    @SkaMaRtiSt1991 Před 5 měsíci +1

    10:27 Owe, MY EYES!!!

  • @user-zz6my5ym4u
    @user-zz6my5ym4u Před 5 měsíci

    fascinating story about so unique pattern !

  • @Melty-K
    @Melty-K Před 5 měsíci +8

    🇹🇼中華民國萬歲🇹🇼
    🇹🇼三民主義萬歲🇹🇼

  • @kleuafflatus
    @kleuafflatus Před 5 měsíci

    Helmet in the thumbnail: possibly someone who missed idaho?

  • @poromafia
    @poromafia Před 5 měsíci +1

    Do you have plans on covering the Finnish M62 and 79 camouflage patterns?

  • @seka1986
    @seka1986 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The khaki looks too bright for camo.

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard Před 2 měsíci

    Chiangs son spent a huge part of his life as a Hostag... sorry i meant "Exchange Student" in Stalins Russia.

  • @mattsweeting4358
    @mattsweeting4358 Před 5 měsíci

    doin it for the trees!

  • @KRN762
    @KRN762 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Why the blotting out of the Taiwan flag?

    • @FirstDagger
      @FirstDagger Před 5 měsíci +5

      Probably because YT-kun is capricious sometimes.

    • @benniotto
      @benniotto Před 5 měsíci +2

      Kinda weird that CZcams would go after the flag, as it is the flag of the “Republic of China,” and has no direct relation to Taiwan beyond that.

    • @Deepballs6969
      @Deepballs6969 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Ehh probably coincidence

    • @pepebeezon772
      @pepebeezon772 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@benniottoit's the flag of Taiwan currently

    • @pepebeezon772
      @pepebeezon772 Před 5 měsíci

      I mean it's a pretty reasonable place to put the text

  • @easygroove
    @easygroove Před 5 měsíci +2

    Next: a Video about that highly effective Face Camo at 13:41

  • @sinisterthoughts2896
    @sinisterthoughts2896 Před 5 měsíci

    I think it looks pretty good, and at a distance would do a decent job of breaking up the outline of a helmet.

  • @user-me8fp2fl9c
    @user-me8fp2fl9c Před 5 měsíci

    sort of dazzle camoie

  • @Adiscretefirm
    @Adiscretefirm Před 5 měsíci

    12:19 false perspective or the most adorable mini-soldier ever?

  • @yutakago1736
    @yutakago1736 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The purpose of Camouflage Helmet is to "break the shape" of the helmet.

  • @sorewahimitsudesu
    @sorewahimitsudesu Před 4 měsíci

    It just looks like someone stretched their underpants over their helmet.

  • @Tonkatsu672
    @Tonkatsu672 Před 5 měsíci

    Taiwan numbah one!

  • @MrInkblots
    @MrInkblots Před 5 měsíci +1

    "koo-min-tang" 哈哈 holy fuck that sounded fucked up. Good video though. Its pronounced guo-min-dang btw.

  • @GaMeZaHoY
    @GaMeZaHoY Před 5 měsíci +3

    yet to see a camo consisting of pink white and purple with anime waifu splattered all over

    • @Tunkkis
      @Tunkkis Před 5 měsíci +3

      That just means it's working well.

  • @TeethToothman
    @TeethToothman Před 5 měsíci +1

    🤖❌🤖

  • @stevebutters306
    @stevebutters306 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Yo the one taiwanese soldier in the intro was CAKED up for no reason, lookit that thing.
    Edit: nevermind, it looks like a satchel bag :(

  • @onkelmicke9670
    @onkelmicke9670 Před 5 měsíci

    Weird

  • @JamesChenisKing
    @JamesChenisKing Před 4 měsíci

    love how you soften it to 3rd reich instead of Nazis and president instead of dictator/emperor

  • @Thundrbolt-tj4qk
    @Thundrbolt-tj4qk Před 5 měsíci

    I agree, the rogue eastern province of Taiwan has an interesting design pattern. Better than the blue camo that some units in the glorious PRC uses

  • @BlackOut321123
    @BlackOut321123 Před 5 měsíci

    So I watched this drunk, and realised that this is just an incredibly boring subject. A broke military threw together some rustic-ass camo from garbage, and kept it because they've not actually been in a real war for 60 years. In any sort of fight this superstitious rubbish would last about three minutes before someone made it, you know, fucking green. There, spend 15 minutes of your life on something else

    • @JamesMartin-bu8yu
      @JamesMartin-bu8yu Před 5 měsíci

      The green and tan on the helmet seems okay. The blue though? Yikes. I could spot that bright blue section from 500 yards. Turn it into a dull brown and it's basically a multicam colored "dazzle camo" helmet.

  • @filmtajm35
    @filmtajm35 Před 5 měsíci

    For fuck sake, come to the point...

  • @user-cg3li5uu5s
    @user-cg3li5uu5s Před 5 měsíci

    😀useless, taiwan is no match for china

    • @dominuslogik484
      @dominuslogik484 Před 5 měsíci +1

      alone? yes, trick is that Taiwan has more friends than china does. kind of works out that way when you aren't hostile and violent towards all your neighbors like the PRC is.

    • @davidkermes376
      @davidkermes376 Před 5 měsíci +1

      don't bet money on that.

    • @user-cg3li5uu5s
      @user-cg3li5uu5s Před 5 měsíci

      @@davidkermes376 😏oh yeah,china is a nuclear power and has unsc permanent seat,I bet my money on that,china is only afraid of india usa russia uk france and a little pakistan and isreal and north korea because they are nuclear powers,taiwan is not a nuclear power

    • @joshhanklon
      @joshhanklon Před 4 měsíci

      China could literally never invade Taiwan

    • @armybaka7804
      @armybaka7804 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Hey bot how’s winnie the poo