Woke D&D Finally Hitting 'Go Broke'
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- The latest data sure indicates that I've been right all along about the speeding up of D&D sales decline the more woke their garbage products become...
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What definitely contributed to WotC's biggest losses lately is coming more from Magic the Gathering. The last major expansion set that was released a couple months ago was released with over half of all the cards printed miscut, which basically made that entire Magic expansion worthless. D&D not selling has also contributed but probably not as much.
That's plausible. But remember that MtG is also multiple times bigger selling than D&D; so even if D&D's losses are as little as $9-10 million, that would still be really bad for D&D...
I was a massive MTG player since Dark. WotC unpersoned some of the cards in my collection and made them disappear from their datdase. Stone Trowing Devils, Jihad and Invoke Prejudice to be specific. I stopped buying all WotC products since.
@@RPGPundit good for for you.
Your only stating fact and truth.
@@l3lixx hold on; so WOTC drastically raised the collectors value of your collectibles and you’re mad?
@@fletcherw32 Words that Wotc will never say:
we have decided power nine and other highly sought after cards heighten the wealth disparity present among our community and prevent us from creating a welcoming environment for everyone no matter their walk of life and as such we are deleting those cards from our database
"Sherlock Holmes in a wheelchair with a gay boyfriend." 🤣 Sadly, that's probably someone's character in the 'modern' and 'virtuous' setting of Ravenloft.
That's actually an NPC in the Ravenloft 5e book, for real.
@@RPGPundit which domain of dread are they from again? I kinda forgot. I know it was the one with the puppets.
That’s literally a character in that book.
@@RPGPundit As a former Ravenloft DM who ran a campaign for ten years this makes me sick to my stomach.
Really rather than making all the classes and subclasses balanced they try to saying no one is evil it's a game that supposed to be based on imagtii I stopped watching some DnD streams cause they use pronouns for players@@RPGPundit
Been wondering how long WotC's predatory printing policies and the way they treat their vendors would continue. They've been on this slippery slope for a long time now.
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WotC plan is to go all digital. That means "live service" product that you pay monthly fee(plus extras) and don't own nothing.
@@meskisable This is where third party comes in. Either someone offers a physical counterpart or people rip the files and make their own books. Yay piracy!
@@hbkx5 WotC doesn't care about old generation. It's all about new generation. That's why they are making digital tabletop on unreal engine. Besides when all rules are digital you can change-rebalance on the fly. This is why they are rebranding it to "one dnd". This is final edition because it can evolve over time. I don't care about DnD because I moved to ICRPG.
@@meskisable I don't disagree with anything that you said except for it being the final edition. there will never be a final edition. every new addition brings more eyes to it and more money because they can pedal it as a new and improved version. It's like the old Ed Edd n Eddy episode let's tweak the idea some more so we can get more money out of it.
The most important thing to remember, in my opinion, is to continue to boycott every single business who opted to go woke.
There's a list of game companies online with red alert (highly woke) yellow alert (going woke) to green (non woke.)
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On theRPGsite.com
It's not difficult to boycott them, because their products are terrible.
And support every business that has fought the wokeness.
While I am glad to hear that Wizards of the Woke is failing, it truly does not affect me. I play solo with 3.5 rules. I really enjoy how malleable that ruleset is.
Yep I went back to BX, the nostalgic start of rpg fun for me.
Our group plays with a MERP book bought on eBay. When DnD, it's OSR. We're not giving money to these Marxists.
Good to find someone who still enjoys 3.5
Who was the lead writer for 3.5?
@@blkjet117 I'm not sure I care. Roll a d20 against a target number is hardly rocket science. Even if the rules were written by the most hateful, racist, communist bastards, they would remain just as useful.
I'm still waiting to meet the paraplegic or quadriplegic player,(and I've personally known a few), that wanted to play a wheelchair-bound character in any game; much less one in D&D.
"This is the last Wizard's product I will ever purchase." That's exactly what I said after Tasha's Cauldron.
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Same here.
Did the right thing.
Me too. WoTC is dead to me.
Same. Done with wotc and paizo both.
Posting this before WoTC goes out in a blaze of glory by making a 5e version of Dark Sun with the tagline
"Slavery is back on the menu"
Reeeeeee!!!
It'd be too late after they abandoned the old fans.
It's just a matter of time until the alchemy skill will provide recipes for puberty blockers for elf younglings 🙂
lol in my family at 7-10 we play the original 1986 D&D, the red book, the blue books, the black books, then when the kids are 11-12 we switch to 2nd ED AD&D it's perfect. Ravenloft and Spelljammers are always the favorites. nobody likes the newer books at all.
Advanced DND second edition is where we got started. 1989. Thaco and all. Still the best version in my opinion
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It buys the Radiant Citadel or it gets the hose again...
Put the money in the basket!😬
Boy, if only there were real life examples of companies flatlining after selling out to wokeness they could have prevented the death spiral they're starting in! 😂😂😂
It's going to be fun to watch the carnage unfold.
Great video Pundit!
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😂😆😂 ya I'm a Sadist!
They will simply argue its because the next edition was announced and is depressing sales. They will always choose NOT to learn the lesson given to them by consumers
How many people who would otherwise be gamers could be lost to wokeness tho?
Fortunately there are alternatives available A.Aron.
Evil can only warp and destroy, never create. Thats why Ravenloft, Spelljammer, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Planescape, and Eberron are all being revisited.
Odd how they're revisited every edition.
By the way I assume you hate 3E
@@KingZNIN Hm. Please tell me the 3e isbn for the Planescape, Spelljammer, Dark Sun, and Dragonlance books because I seem to be missing them in my 3e collection.
@@KingZNIN Consider I wrote a Living Greyhawk regional module as well as half of our region's players guide, plus have ran Pathfinder since it came out, your assumption would be incorrect.
@@DavidWestLtfngr but 3E is woke. There's LGBTQ characters, people of color, and so on.
I actually got the/an dragonlance book for 3E.
There have been people of color in every edition of D&D. I wrote the first RPG rulebook to feature a trans hero on the cover, ever. "there are lgbt characters and people of color" is not the definition of Wokism. Wokism is when those kinds of characters only exist to push an ideological agenda, to promote the religious cult, as propaganda to push a totalitarian message.
12:30 they've put the same person that screwed up Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft as Lead Designer. A lot of grognard tears will be shed when the Dragonlance book comes out.
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How did they "screw up"? I think it's a decent book. Certainly still better than what came after. I refused to buy into Candlekeep and everything after.
You aren't kidding!
Krynn is too 'problematic' for the 21st century. Please please let it stay out of the public consciousness.
What a lot of people don't seem to get is a mult-million dollar company with various divisions isn't going to pour money into a division that keeps losing money, or breaks even. They will shut that division down and try to figure out how to get something out of it maybe by selling it off. That is what keeps getting talked about in comics, that DC and Marvel will lease out the characters and let others publish comics while they keep the rights to the characters so they can money off movies, tv, and merch.
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Hasbro has the habit of shelving I.P.
@@calvanoni5443 Well, as long as the D20 Open License is maintained and we have the OSR it may be for the best.
It is a shame to see the good name of D&D being shelved but it's an even bigger shame to see it degraded and dragged through the mud like it is now.
@@RPGPundit Wiill do.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited DND isn't being shelved at least not anytime soon.
It's sales are lower when compared to the Covid spike in sales when a lot of people was stuck at home. Wotc has been making bank, and it's old head advanced to the head or close to the head of Hasbro. I think a year ago.
I have not given WOTC any money in years. Unless the company makes some major changes and alot of house cleaning, they will not get another penny from me.
I dont think they could do anything at this point to get me to come back unless they did something really extreme opposite and kept that path for a good long time.
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Even if they de-woke their company, don't purchase. Let them go bankrupt. That's the real lesson. They'll come crawling back and asking for $. Just remember how many times WE went back to them, making suggestions and were called ista-phobes and told to fudge ourselves. Make an example of them. It's not "Get woke, sales slump", it's ",Get woke, go broke".
As for waking people up, I think it will take the new Dragonlance book to finally jar them up. Strixhaven, Radiant Socialist Republic, even Starjammer aren't that known or popular. Dragonlance has a real fandom and devoted following and the changes they are doing to DL should be the final straw for a lot of people not already aware of WotC's butchering of D&D.
Like I said, I think it's going to be D&D's version of "The Last Jedi".
If you've been paying attention, you'll realize that in every case the left has doubled down on the crazy whenever it's rejected by mainstream society. I think it will be the same thing here. Get ready for more insanity, even if they're losing money.
@qtsssim very short version? Wizards decided to bring back Dragonlance spell jammers, Dark Sun.
People started getting all up in arms saying that Dragon Lance was problematic, due to its use in narrative of love spells or potions. They agitated to have it canceled. Wizards tried to break contract by just refusing to accept any manuscript given and hoping the writers would give up. The writer took them to court, the court told wizards they couldn't do that, and the book has been published. The synopsis on the back indicates it's about a young girl who tries to go back in time to stop the war of the Lance to keep her father from dying.
In the meantime, they have released what they had for spell Jammer which was incomplete, unfinished, and had people up in arms because a race of monkey people was apparently racist somehow. And I think Dark Sun they have buried under the rug
@@cthulhupthagn5771 Dark Sun is still safe. They won't even try to work with that one.
@qtsssim WotC is letting us play Gully Dwarf Paladins and Kender Knights of Solamnia and Good Aligned Black Robed Wizards. It's mass hysteria. And apparently they are changing the name of Krynn to Kyrnn.
I lost at checkers when I was in the 1st grade so I'm suing checkers to made them admit they're racist. I only play Checkers 5e now and that makes me a friggin' hero.
You're so right. Checkers is highly racist. It makes the red pieces fight against the black pieces. Then it ignores the yellow pieces and brown pieces entirely. That's horribly racist.
John Ringo called it. LOL It's fine, though. Disney, Hasbro, Marvel, Amazon, etc. Sucks to suck.
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I'm just glad that Greyhawk's corpse wasn't defiled...
It's a small mercy for Greyhawk fans that the current crowd of wokists hate it.
@@RPGPundit lol sounds like you're pretty woke.
@@RPGPundit I think it has more to do with the fact that Wizards will never touch it because it's Gary gagax. The whole reason for second edition was to reduce his royalties, and that was when they shifted the setting Focus from Grayhawk to forgotten realms. Post-secondition I don't think they've ever published anything greyhawk related except for a spell Jammer supplement and that was towards the end of Lorraine and her reign of terror.
Considering I've had actual unironic conversations with people online and in real life that are not aware that Dungeons and Dragons existed before wizards of the coast, and had no idea that there were other settings other than forgotten realms, I'm sure they are just hoping to memory hold that entirely. Especially with all of the shenanigans that have been going on with his kids and their companies
Yeah. A Saving grace
As Mystara Will never be touched. And that s good
I’ve been playing Dungeons & Dragons since the early 80s and I have to say the current incarnation of dungeons and dragons makes me sick
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Likewise brother
@@ForeverYoungKickboxer odd I've heard otherwise from places like nerdarchy
15:01 Pundit mentioning Microsoft and Bill Gates here reminds me of those old memos where they'd talk about the strategy of "embrace, extend, extinguish". 🤔 Maybe it's history rhyming, to a degree. Thankfully the RPG hobby isn't so analogous to the corporate software market, and "end-users" of RPGs tend to have a much larger degree of freedom than users of a typical computer system.
Yes, those people are burning D&D to the ground, and that is a shame. I think stuff started to become really weird not with Ravenloft, but when they hired sensibility specialists to change and criticize old school adventures and their creators openly.
Good. Screw WotC and Hasbro.
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I heard this dragonlance product is a time travel story going back to the war of the lance. Its not a continuation if anything, its a wotc "remaster" of one of their greatest hits (to borrow a music analogy)
Where did you hear that?
@@RPGPundit doing a bit of digging, the war game releasing alongside the books appears to take place around the same time as the original novels.
Polygon wrote up an article giving some information. Some of it might be a bit of hearsay and rumor, but they are wedging product into that time in the line, which wotc says trumps the original works as canon.
Oy Vey!
There's no time travel, its just set in the past of Dragonlance. The PCs are people of that era.
Please no. The war game is exactly that, a remake of the war of the lance.
This will be bad if they do the adventures.
Krynn is very unwoke in its fun AD&D 80's version. Making it woke will destroy it.
I just keep hearing more and more people turning to OSR and I think you're going to keep seeing it. WotC has alienate their fan base and have replaced fun and escapism with racism and politics.
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Oh boy where have you been for the last few decades? Either way I don't think you have noticed the corporate elites in the room.
@@KingZNIN where have I been? Not playing 5E or hanging around WOKE idiots. I stopped playing D&D after 1E and found better alternatives. It wasn't until I came across CZcams pundits that I started hearing about what was going on.
@@KingZNIN Muh corporate elites! Lol, it's okay that you don't understand business and economics, but maybe stop forming opinions about the subject until you do.
@@hlaw2830 those corporate elites went "woke" a long time ago. Business normally goes where the money is.
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It really is fresh when it's just a schizo rant about something they didn't read hahahaah
The Sherlock Holmes comment alone just got you a new subscriber here.
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I purchased the 5e PHB the day it came out, but realized it wasn't for me. So that's the last time I directly gave WotC my money. Before that it was some 3.5 splat book around 2007. I have brought some 2ndhand WotC StarWars Saga edition books, never played it, don't think I would intentionally play it RAW given the choice. However I like reading RPG books even if I don't intend to ever play them. It's interesting to see how different mechanics work & how they address the main theme.
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If you look at the quarterly report it shows that all their divisions were down year over year and the only mention of D&D was the amortization of the purchase of DnD Beyond. Additionally, the Tabletop subdivision revenue is down (as a %) less than any other. Can we get some actual sales numbers for these books? I'm not a fan of the last several D&D books but I'd like to see some actual evidence of woke = broke.
After the big spike in sales in 2020 sales went down year after year, but I don't know what could have happened in 2020 that could have caused it.
I'm not making fun of you I'm making fun of people that pretends Covid and people staying home had nothing to do with anything.
Spelljammer came out it was like 120 pages spread between 3 books
And 90 bucks price. And It s a rip off.
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ALL published by TSR, ALL 1st edition 😁
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@@RPGPundit I actually run Call of Cthulhu games once a week, but if I did get the hankering for fantasy I'd run AD&D...it doesn't get more OSR than that (if I understand what OSR is). Love your channel, hate 5e.
Someone else said that being happy a company is no longer woke is like being happy your wife is no longer cheating on you.
I'll never buy from the companies that went woke. Wotc, Lucasfilm, etc. Such companies looked at lifelong fans/customers and told us to pound sand.
Why are you mad that they've been woke for over 20 years.
Can you define woke?
I hate sand. It's coarse and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
5th edition playable fairy lore: 3 sentences, plus some 1d6 "random character trait generation" tables.
4th edition playable fairy lore: 4 *densely* packed pages, covering creation myth, physical traits, attitudes, beliefs, most iconic adventuring class combos and roleplaying advice.
It's easy to see which edition is superior.
I see you're a man of culture as well ^^
Get him, boys! He´s one of the heretics!
It's really annoying when they try to make everything system agnostic. It just feels like they're trying to cut page count, just say here's the lore for blank, from blank, and not all areas are like this.
Yeah I've never used official lore for my games, but I tend to use it for ideas, if I'm feeling lazy.
And they Say 4ed was crap.
4th ed in 7 Years 40 books published not counting Adventures.
5ed in 7 Years: 6 books not counting Ap
The Wokists of the Coast earn and eat from the old school modules pdf's and pod's sold on drivethru rpg. Enjoy all the fast food you buy with it, at least we support your heart attack.
No, they only make money from their own reprints and DM's Guild, unless you have some data I'm not aware of? Hasbro does not own DTRPG.
@@RPGPundit thanks bother! No I haven't any data, just assumed... but yey, thanks! Now I don't feel guilty to buy 1 to 3.5 edition material.
Negative growth=shrinkage, nobody likes shrinkage.
Is this the main reason OSR role-playing has become so popular as of late? Being relatively new to rgp's, I was under the impression that it was due to the rules "bloatation" of D&D.
The OSR has been popular for a variety of reasons. Increased creativity in old-school design is one of them to be sure, but the rise of wokeness is another factor.
@@RPGPundit the wokeness that's been in DND for decades?
@@KingZNIN it's getting worse. The optional rules of no alignment and mutable race stats are being made the standard rules. That is the tip of the iceberg
They got me at the Hadozee thing with Spelljammer.. omg I can't stand this wokeness anymore... In I would argue Dark Sun is the setting they hate most
I don't think so. Dark Sun is a morality tale about environmentalism at heart. Whereas Dragonlance is a Christian Myth. Which sounds like what Wokists will hate more?
@@RPGPundit I don't think they ever take into account that Christian mythology plays a part in the design of dragon lance. I definitely agree with Jason that dark Sun is going to be the setting that Garners the most hate.
First of all, it's a very Bleak and harsh setting. It's possible, if they stick to how it was designed, to die of heat exposure or dehydration. Most people are selfish and it's a setting of violence which is abhorrent to these people.
Then you also have the half giants, which gets into something they have been calling problematic, the idea of a half breed. Add to the fact that they are essentially mentally disabled, and you're going to get some ableism cries.
The dwarves are sterile and are basically mules. That's going to upset people both from a racial standpoint and from a gender standpoint.
Slavery is a large component of the setting. I think that's self-explanatory.
Dark Sun has a special snowflake race, the ThriKreen. It's not possible to make something horny out of such a character,
By contrast all I've seen anybody dig up on Dragon Lance is the Stupid Love Potion connection, and they've changed the draconian into being an actual species of male and female, so that's something that they can get all horny on
@@cthulhupthagn5771 Little correction as a Dark Sun fan. Dwarves are fine. Muls, Dwarf human Hybrid are sterile.
But yeah i agree with all the thing you posted. Better let them not touch Dark Sun
@@cthulhupthagn5771 just wait until they get to gully Dwarves and the human only, lawful good knights of Solamnia with ranks based upon being exceptional in stats and honor.
@@RPGPundit Uhm, I guess you would be wrong about Dark Sun. Athas is a world full of slavery and even slave races. SJWs will have heart attacks confronted by such stuff. :)
11:41 My local B&N has a few copies of Spelljammer. I'm at least half certain the D&D books have been rotting on their shelves though.
My B&N stopped carrying D&D books.
Lots of Spelljammer at my local shops since it came out and one shop is extremely woke. Maybe its the economy, maybe its burnout, maybe the rainbow is fading.
Lots of people have reported this.
@@RPGPundit looking at my local Barnes & Noble stores, in all cases they are carrying other game systems, either Piezo or any game books that are tied into what sells well such as the expanse. Most of what's in their gaming section seems to consist of supplement material such as a book of NPCs.
As far as local comic shops, over a 3-year period I have seen a drastic decline in people purchasing Wizards books and Pathfinder 2nd edition. Prior to covid, when books were coming out my local shops had to have a sign up sheet, and I had to request a book be put on hold if I wanted to get it especially if it was one of the variant covers.
It gradually shifted to not needing to get my name on a list, because there would be enough on sale date, and in the last year it's got to the point where they have had copies of some of these books sitting on the shelves for months.
Vintage stock has multiple copies of 5e products collecting dust.. so if you need 7 copies of guide to ravenloft i know just the place lol
All prior editions have shown a slow down in sales in the period between the announcement of a new edition and its release, as people hold off purchasing things to save up for the spate of new stuff or because they fear some obsolescence despite promises of compatibility. I'd expect that any lower growth would be the result of slowed core book sales, as people stop buying them until 6e is released...
The drop in sales would have predated the announcement of "OneDnD".
this might also be the real reason for the open license changes. theyre realizing that people wont buy their woke garbage and will simply evade to community products and books written by fans of DnD who are actually talented and invested into the game, and its settings. so theyre either trying to curb that or theyre trying to at least make some money off what other people develop as the wording in the changed license allows them to come in any time on you and demand any portion of the sales that they see fit.
i think whats going to happen in reality is, that people will simpy make their own game systems instead, or stay in older DnD systems like 3e or 5e.
they dont realize that there is no cornerning and monopolizing the tabletop market. because making your own content for a tabletop game, or even making your own system is easier than writing a mod for a PC game, since it doesnt even require any coding skills on top of writing, or game design skills.
its insanely easy for anyone to basically come up with his homebrew content for an old DnD edition, or even make their own system.
would this include other rhings besides the rule books? like the miniatures? beecause of covid and shipping they doubled the price of the dragon minis and a lot of people were very vocal about not getting any at the new price.
It certainly could include those.
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THANK YOU! I was thinking it then you said it. I think wokeness would also explain Critical Role's declining numbers as well. I was beginning to think it was changing everyone that plays D&D but I guess BS only flys so far when thrown. Thank you for confirming this to me.
Oddly enough there's tones of LGBTQ, people of color and so on in the CR games.
By the way do you hate 3E?
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@@KingZNIN I enjoyed the Third edition. I liked the concept of f e a t s, I felt that they were a nice addition. 3rd Edition was also where I felt they hit their stride in terms of overall presentation of product. They released a ton of books that were largely lower and little bits in details, each setting kind of had their own theme in terms of publication. For example Forgotten Realms books were printed to look like they were on parchment, Ebron had that punk aesthetic. For the price of the books you got a lot of material.
As far as critical role declining numbers, it's not so much wokeness specifically in my opinion as it is two things. One, the Purity Pony fighting will continue to narrow the focus, until inevitably everybody gets the accusing finger pointed at them. This has happened to critical role several times in the last year. The other thing is they are catering to an audience with the retention span of a mayfly. They're all in on it in the beginning, they're all obsessed with their fanfiction and their shipping, but inevitably something will attract their consumer mentality and they will drift away.
@@KingZNIN I can't say that I've played 3E. If I did it was long ago. As far as LGBTQ and people of color in CR I think it's great. I would never have a problem with that. The game should be enjoyed by everyone but I don't think an enjoyable game focuses on it. And I would say I don't think it's only the wokeness that is responsible for their declining numbers, only part of the reason. I think they are focused on it being a show rather than just enjoying a game much like the first season. With money and popularity came the demand to entertain and put on a show. I feel like they lost some of their spontaneity and improvisation because of this and people can see it. Add on top of that a political and social wokeness that is voiced and presumed that their viewership totally is on board and you've got a declining viewership. This of course is just my opinion of what it could be and I could be wrong. Wokeness is creeping into everything and CR and new D&D materials are just other areas that they are. People know it when they see and hear it.
I stopped watching CR halfway through campaign 2 when they started to preach and lecture us about their political beliefs.
I, and many others, said that we watch CR to escape being bombarded by this narrative and we were told; "It's our show, if you don't like it, then don't watch."
So I stopped watching. And it seems they ramped up the woke.
Hasbro has already cut 3 of the idiots frim wotc and replaced them
This will keep happening as the sales drop. This $1000 magic set will kill them snd dragonlance will be the final nail
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Hasbro wants less expenses, and more sales. They can't get both for long.
My FLGS order 6 copies of Radiant Citadel and hasn't sold a single copy. I haven't paid much attention to Spelljammer to see how it has moved. I did buy a copy though, which I am glad with the whole Hadozee BS. I love Dragonlance and I'm not sure if I'm going to buy that book. I think they get a big sales number right when the books come out and they drop off big time.
I think the people with a digital background that WotC has hired are there more for the VTT and to get that up and running.
But MtG, man, the store owners are not happy with WotC and the owners are letting them know about it. Every third set since they upped the number of sets per year are not selling. People are maxed out with how much they are willing to spend. With the way inflation has been going again, it could only get worse.
Please be true ... I recently bought 5e (wanted to get back into gaming) and immediately noticed the woke art ... they literally did the best they could to ensure 0 representation of probably their largest demographic. F@ck em.I'm done.
Hasbro is a giant corporation because its ruthless at cutting losses and milking cash cows. If WOTC don't buck up, they'll be asset stripped and left to the vultures
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Wotc has been one of the highest preforming parts of Hasbro for a while now. If Hasbro would stop trying to get them to sell smaller books for the same price as bigger books, and so on they'd probably be even bigger even during the Covid spike in sales.
What's sad is Hickman & Weise will not make much from the last gasp of Dragonlance.
they will make nothing. it is barely dragonlance if you look at enworld.
like spelljammer and ravenloft, they are adventures like the original modules, not an actual setting like forgotten reams, eberron, and exandria or whatever is the critical role world.
Yeah. Truly sad. They Will ruin Dragonlance.
I'm sure they will get a coffee from the Barista Adventurers.
That’s okay, they’ll make money from their new DL novel.
I have so much of the 1st and 2nd ed stuff still... it's easy to use with most of the old school stuff. I've picked up a few of the new books and have been really turned off...
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The Irony is that in order to be more inclusive they are alienating a chunk of the fans. No surprise there, the funny thing is the D&D was always inclusive, you could be anything you wanted in a world you helped build.
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Same thing happened with super heroes then they went woke and had super man beat up Nazis, and the kkk. That's alienating potential customers.
Dragonlance had one fatal flaw: Kender. Eberron has evil vs evil vs kinda good. I'm fine with that.
@GM Steelhaven Not in 3.5. Goblins are more alien than evil, but there are still evil outsiders and cults that worship them.
I love the kender. Tasselhoff makes the books for me.
@@towelgirl21 I loved the Gremlins movie, but I wouldn't want to hang out with one of those critters. Then again, there's no accounting for taste.
@@cobinizor a kender would be annoying af in real life. I liked reading about them because they're like relatively innocent children. Everything is a wonderful adventure, don't worrt or fear.
@@towelgirl21 Developmentally disabled midgets with kleptomania are truly deserving of fantasy genocide. If that isn't too lawful evil.
Seattle in 2022 is a fantasy world. Everyone in there own imaginary universe.
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Venezuelan Planescape! #GetWokeGoBroke
Oddly enough that rarely ever happens, but the reverse? Well ask the brat that thought it would be funny to make a n word race with low intelligence, and a Nordic race with high stats when they tried to use stare finder.
Dear God no!
What do you mean Spelljammmer hasn't come out yet?
it has - a few months back and it was dissapointing to say the least.
They add some "races" (that barely feel special outside their nice art and concepts - some of which taken form 2E Dark Sun and Spelljammer),
some spells, some monsters and some new mechanics (gravity and spaceship combat) and a new hub (2E Spelljammer's Rock of Bral)
and a new adventure that feels half-baked and with a plot that a three -year-old would feel embarrassing his mental level
but all of these are so kimmed, bare and void of actual, interesting, cool changes and mechanics that they feel like free content some company would through at you from time to time.
The Rock of Bral explanation is only a page-and a-half of content (I can also publish a DarkSun book where I only put a nice picture and say this world is called aThas, it is really hot and dangerous and people are thirsty... and that's it) - They add a map though... hard to understand why as they provide no information about the place.
The Races have so few meaningful traits and are outright confusing - The blob creatures, for example, have the very special trait of pseudopods that can do... nothing - so why have them? they add nothing to the gameplay!!!
The shipcomabt basically tells you (It really tells you that - explicitly) that hand to hand combat is better and you should not really do ship combat. If you really want such a thing they took the 2e rules of spelljammer and removed everything from them so that they feel like ranged combat without cover (there are no explosions, ship maneuvers, gravity, interesting features of every ship - nothing).
They removed space exploration so space is just a place for random encounters from city to city.
They say nothing about the politics of space which were so important for the meta-plot of 2e Spelljammer.
They created a very confusing cosmology in which space is part of the Astral plane so basically space travel is just "believing in yourself to go to the second star on the right" like Peter Pan.
I think this is the problem of WOTC - not the wokenss or lefist tendancy, one can easily delete political elements from his campaign or change them - the games are just unplayable. I did Wild beyond the Witchlight with my kids and it had a lot of color, and whimsical characters and setting but I really tried hard to find actual GAMEPLAY.
The game just tells you - here is a talking frogman, here is a fat witch, here are lost children in the woods , your characters could never kill monsters as they are too strong, the NPCs need nothing from you and you need to do nothing... have fun. THey want to change DND (an rpg that started as an evolution of classic miniature wargames) into a game where there is no combat, no dungeons and NO GAME AT ALL - a walking simulator. It is as if they think DND should be more like Fantasy cons where everyone does cosplay and take a picture of themselves next to a dragon manaquin.
I am really frustrated.
My mistake, it was delayed.
Try Osr. Action and problem Solving. And Roleplay too. But there you ve to use your brain to solve the issue the GM presents
So you're telling me that people who play a game called Dungeons & Dragons don't want to serve coffee or visit a night market in a socialist police state? That they want to delve into dungeons and fight dragons?
Sounds like a right wing conspiracy theory to me! CANCEL! CANCEL! and please don't look at the numbers backing this up! Numbers are istaphobic, don'tcha know!
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The numbers that shows DND 5E is the best selling tprpg right now by a landslide?
But I do agree that they're letting corporate executives make to many choices which is cutting out content, and expecting us to pay the same for less and less, but that's just what "socialism" does. Try to cut as many costs as possible and increase profits as much as possible.
WotC are in the unfortunate position of facing so many quality 5E books published by other companies. I expect sales of the players handbook will remain high, but that's all you really need.
Haven’t bought a book since Tasha’s. There’s no need - 5e is easily homebrewed and the design philosophy of the newer subclasses and spells is terrible.
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Oh, don't even get me started on the BUTCHERY of Ravenloft in 5E...
Haven't fucked with woke of the coast for years, but working on my own table-top rules/setting to eventually release.
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Allowing players to make halfbreeds between any two races sounded like a cool idea, but then they chose to make them exclusively cosmetic options and it immediately became shit.
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Yeah my money is it getting dropped before 6E
Go woke, go broke... that's so consistently true...
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@@RPGPundit I don't why I wouldn't, so I did.
spelljammer is out now but it's compleat garbage.not even real spelljammer has nothing to do with the spelljammer ship.it's all about plan travel.
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I will be buying and playing (and creating) OSR products from here on out.
Good thing it isn't TSR.
Good choice!
They've damaged so much the brand that even if it was a good product, it would be difficult to notice.
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I call that “The Andor Effect”
Its MTG thats floundering at wizards.
Dnd gets its money with the license.
Hasbro's obssession with growth and pricehikes are going to end up with a abyssmal Q4 report.
Exactly why are people pretending that it's not at least 90% corporate elites trying to nickel and dime everything for maximum profits?
A friend of mine who was once a 5e enthusiast has completely turned on WoTC because of their shitty products and treatment of LGSs. She runs one of the largest game stores in a large city. She's even vocalized this on the YT vid they make for patrons. We're pushing our group to start playing other games but they are dug in deep. On our last session, we finished up That Fey Carnival adventure and woke up in the 1930s with a closet full of 1930s cloths, cigarettes, and the like. Our magic still works. She is taking us to a different fantasy world kicking and screaming if she has to. She has plans to take us to other places and I can't wait to go.
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I heard they plan to change the spelling of the Dragonlance setting's world to Krynn so it doesn't cause issues with the critical roll faction the dynasty of kryn, if it's true I don't imagine any of its fans being too kind to it, also I've got an OSR system in development do you have a line of communication to send a review copy through once its done?
You can send me a private message on Twitter, or on theRPGsite.
It's been downhill since BECMI.
It's easier to just buy system neutral settings that are just written well to have a good conflict. As for any rule system the dm just has to assess how hard they want stuff to be and any rule system worth its salt should be adaptable enough to run any story
Some good system neutral settings: Dark Albion, Sword & Caravan.
Hah, man, it's really a shame sometimes. I'm not too aware of anything with the system I use (Traveller). Its a solid system, still with a decent amount of complexity, unlike modern 5e. I feel like they've been making it too hard for your actions to have consequences in DnD in general and removing most any negatives.
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Oh no!
Well, anyway...
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Back in my day a giant scorpion would kill you.
Bravo! Wizards Of The Coast Are Despicable!
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@@RPGPundit Oh I have, I also got kicked out a discord server for it.
Interesting. I lost interest in D&D when I heard weird stuff about orcs and dark elves no longer being evil etc., and all the talk about D&D's racist roots, etc. It's the same reason I won't watch Rings of Power, reinterpreting and disrespecting the source material to match your 2022 sensibilities. It's fantasy, it's ok to say orcs are evil, geez. Btw, like your discussions, and I am liberal, but I think the left in America no longer stands for actual progressive and liberal values (the quote which used to represent liberal thinking was "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", but that sensibility is sadly now dead)
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AD&D 2e best edition. Back when it was at it's peak with settings and ideas.
...and Dragonlance's morality is stupid beyond belief. The bit about the priest king and the gods, and the kender alone are so moronic they're cancerous.
Are we getting regular orcs back?
Not anytime soon.
Which regular orcs? The green mountain orcs, the grey god killing orcs? The many other versions made over the years.
I played MTG when I was in high school about 20 years ago, and stopped playing because of the corporate practice of WotC at that time, when 8th Edition came out, but that's a different story.
Recently I was wondering where MTG is now, so I searched and looked cards etc, didn't seem bad at first, although a bit bliated with extra rules for my taste.
Then I looked the most recent conference where they announced the new Dominaria expansion, and how wherever I clicked on the video, they were talking about diversity of the setting, diversity this and that.
And I was like, "wait, what happened to MTG that diversity became a selling point?" 20 yearrs ago, I found MTG the most diverse, crazy fantasy setting I have ever seen. It wasn't a thing, that was it's default high concept, every deck was like a plethora of creature types, extreme magical ideas, while keeping rules quite simple (there wasn't nearly as many keywords as now).
The new PHB is the wokest of the woke. Atheist clerics and paladins, A "they" character, just woke garbage.
I don’t think that’s correct about the ravenloft book. I bought it , they changed some dark lords but it’s more of they got overthrown and their place taken by the new ones in a few of the realms. Which is completely in line with the lore of the 90s set. Th big retcon they did do was move the domains of dread as a pocket dimension within the shadowfell . The only thing I think lines up with what you’re talking about is a single page that describes the different horror themes; body, folk, cosmic , etc and discuss with your player which these you’ll be running to see if any are “triggering “ which yeah is silly but the rest of the book is actually a solid toolbox for running your own horror games. Much better the spelljammer. Though I will pull out my older ravenloft books and Do another comparison but yeah it’s not “scooby doo”.
He can be pretty hyperbolic about things at times
I did a video about the Ravenloft book, you might want to watch it, and read more carefully. They changed dark gifts to just be a cool power anyone can have. They race and genderswapped several of the dark lords and NPCs. They got rid of the absolute moral elements of the setting. They changed the genre itself so that it is no longer classic/gothic horror.
@@RPGPundit they changed stuff like that in the 2001 books too.
@@KingZNIN boy howdy I seen to see you in a lot of these threads making smarmy little comments that are exceedingly off base.
You are wrong. Ravenloft has always been relatively consistent. Mysterious dark Powers kidnap the worst of the worst all over the multiverse, and trap them in ironic hells. None of the dark Lords are redeemable because none of them are willing to make the changes that need to be made. LORD soth was the only exception, and that was simply because Weiss and Hickman pushed it because they didn't want their character in ravenlock.
Even when Raven lost supplements were put out by sword and sorcery, it was the same Core group of people maintaining the lore, they called themselves the Kargat and for a time maintained a website.
5th edition has made drastic changes and it is more like scooby-doo. The dark Lords are all given sympathetic edges. They're given excuses for their bad behavior. Players are given excuses for their behavior, ways that they can be changed, and in some cases they are portrayed in a sympathetic light.
The concept for ravenloft has always been two things. One, it was based off of classic movie monsters and classic horror movies. And two, it was supposed to be an epic end level challenge for players that had seen and done everything. The Raven Loft setting gives evil more strength and take strength away from the good side of things. Everything in the setting is considered a challenge to the players. The vistani are shadowy mysterious figures that are just as likely to curse the players as to give them the information they need to continue on their quests, and other people they encounter are either people created by the realm as a part of the torment of the dark lord or they are other people that have been trapped as well. Also, generally speaking dark Lords are not necessarily aware of the existence of other realms. Though there are exceptions.
Now with fifth edition the dark lord is a sympathetic figure who might be turned away from evil, has some Noble motivations, the vestani are your friendly neighborhood mailman, and everybody in the ravenloft knows that they are in domains that can now be crossed as long as you have a special magic item
I know that everyone at NotC hates me, so I’d like to see them go belly up. Perhaps someone who likes D&D could pick up the license.
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@@KingZNIN Because I don’t embrace their degenerate fascist religion.
i wish the best for wotc, but sometimes i wonder if they do. nobody asked for strixhaven or radiant citadel, and the one thing players wanted in fizban's didn't even get a UA. dragonlance looks super underwhelming. hopefully the giant-themed book in 2023 will be ok, but i don't see anything else appealing on their release schedule.
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Strixhaven, and the Radiant Citadel(the better one out of the two) was largely ok, but shouldn't have been more than $25. It seems like they're trying to make more and more from less and less. I smell greed.
My largest complaint is the lack of combat, new character/DM stuff, and stuff like that. The Npc's, and stories were largely good especially in RC, and I'd have to say they're the best part for those books. That's probably why I pirated the books, and bought a few bits on DND beyond.
MTG is currently going through a pretty harsh market fatigue. With how much new product they are printing they have card reveals practically every month now and people who have been fed up have hit their breaking point. Also, despite magic and fantastical races inherent to the system DND has been struck with the worst curse a RPG system can have, mundanity. Worse is they inflicted it upon themselves. They took the idea of Strixhaven, the magical college started by 5 elder dragons facing an insurrection from evil former students, and they made it boring. Wokeness can be ignored or enjoyed as you wish so long as the content surrounding it can keep investment.
mtg is worse than you know after recent secret lairs, and multiple problems with the 30th anniversary reprint boosters. they sent some free to an nfl player that could easily afgord the $1000 for the boxnof 8 booster packs.
Woke DnD can be eliminated from a table easily... depending on the Dungeon Master.
And reintroduced without the DM knowing it. All it takes is a single drop of light and then it's everywhere
Savage worlds is 10 bucks and all I'll ever need for any game and any setting and actually balanced as it's classless.
Never going back
I've bought several 5e books, one (PHB) to support my FLGS and then the rest with trade credit at the local huge used book store (which prices used 5e books at new 5e prices and sometimes more than new prices, which is a big WTF?) because I'd rather not give money directly to Hasblow. I don't run 5e though I will play it when one of my players wants to take the big chair for a bit. The books I've acquired have been from when newer DMs I know were asking me "I must be missing something because I don't get it. How can I make this work?" and me picking up the book to try to read it and help them out. Sadly, my answer is usually that the book was poorly written and looked like it had been done piecemeal by different writers who worked separately and didn't communicate with each other (effectively splitting the party and wondering why everything goes to crap) and not edited before going to print. That's a disappointment to me, but unfortunately not a surprise.
The biggest problem I've seen with D&D this century is that the game is rulebook and rule focused while the game I started playing in '79 was more creativity and adventure focused. The Holmes Boxed Set and AD&D I started with was not big on rules for every situation, encouraging the DM to have the freedom and creativity to open up their own sandbox of rules based on their own group(s) and experiences. I remember one of the things we learned from Gary Gygax (who we got to talk to on the phone for half an hour or so as part of a school project in middle school) was that he didn't put in a lot of rules because it was impossible to make a rule for every single thing that might come up in a game. Instead they made a framework of what he called suggestions, which he actively encouraged us to ignore at times if it made our games better, and left the rest up to us. The more rules one puts in a game, the more one limits what the players can do and how it can get done. Creativity and consistency in judgments at the table was what Gygax wanted from and for DMs. I think later editions lost some (or perhaps a lot) of that. And the awful writing practices embraced by the company haven't helped.
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@@RPGPundit I have. Of course I have. I mean, I got reprints of the original D&D books and I've picked up several versions of OSR style rules, both before and after I wrote what is, effectively, my own OSR plus ruleset for my games. As a Holmes fan I am drawn to the early style games because they're more about the creative than the crunchiness of MOAR RULES! 🙄 I may check out your products as well.
still have my 300 + books for 1st and 2nd edition... with some 3.5 sprinkled in. DnD is dead, its been taken over by Nutjobs. and now they want to make DnD pay to win, ... LMAO
I usually buy rpg stuff at my flgs, but occasionally I will go to the local Books-a-million. I can confirm that both in my city have an abundance of Strixhaven and citadel, with my Books-A-Million actually cutting their rpg section and it’s now 90% those books gathering dust because they just don’t sell.
It s not only Wokeness. It s also lazyness. D&d5 ed sourcebooks compared to other editions ones utterly lack in details and depht. Spelljammer is the worst offender, a book with nothing on Spelljammer Setting lorewise with 70% of new Monsters recycled One or versions of Player races and a disappointing Adventure.
The point of no return for 5ed was Tasha Cauldron. Before the sourcebooks were a bit Lazy but Fair. Not Great products but okish. Then the Wokies on Twitter demanded and Wotc delivered.
-Orcs are Racist! Custom origin.
-Alignment Is wrong! Alignment erased(till It returned in Monster of Multiverse)
-We need Dungeons without barriers!
Dungeons with no obstacles in Candlekeep Mysteries.
-Drow are Racist! They are not all Evil! Drow lives matter!
They made 3 entire subraces of Drows in the Forgotten Realms setting and they forced Salvatore to write a whole story about this Newdrows. Then they forgot about them and now no one plays them and they linger into the oblivion cause Wokies dont play their game( Big Surprise)and normies dont care.
-Slavery Is wrong! Brothel are wrong and sexist(in a medieval Setting).
Words redacted from the sourcebooks by the ministry of New-Language. Rewritten Lore on Volos guide.
-Curse of Strahd was Racist against Vistani. Wotc: not our fault Ad&d writers and Dragonlance creators(the same creators of Ravenloft) were Racist ( they are not). Strahd revised Edition
-Lawsuit against Tracy Hickman and Margaret Weiss (ended in a soap bubble)
-This Is not enough! Ravenloft Is Racist!
Van Richten Guide to Genderswap.
Genderswapped Darklords for no reason, Npc made gay for no reason, blatant Blackwashing( It s fine if It s not Whitewashing) of the Foxglove Twins(White gals from the equivalent of Germany) into creole porto-ricans.
Still not enough.
-Strixhaven Curriculum of Chaos with Gay balls and kisses. A Lgbtq friendly book.
One of the Worst selling sourcebook.
Another hint that Wokies dont play the game.
And of course was not enough.
-Coming Next Radiant Citadel. A book that takes pride in being Racist( no White writers allowed). Perfect. No complains. Sales are on rock bottom.
-And then Spelljammer. No One cared about It( not the fans that consider the 5ed edition Garbage nor the casual cause It s too pricey) till space monkey controversy.
Wotc bowed and apologiezed"past writers are Racist It s their fault", too bad Jeff Grubb Spelljammer Papa was never involved with 5ed revision.
-And then after that D&d One. And the Sign language bullshit.
And now we have Wotc financial datas.
35% losses on Digital market. 16% on hardcover sourcebooks. Not counting Magic the Gathering 30 Anniversary fiasco.
Coincidences?
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What's the Hadozee controversy? I played a Bard/Rogue pirate in 3.5 back in the day.
Check out my video "D&D Wokists Design Racist Races" to learn about that.
Everyone needs to stop buying all the old intellectual properties that are owned by these woke corporations, period. Once you say goodbye to brands that are in the firm control of these entities, you will then find all the more favorable alternatives. If you continue to fork over you money to these major brands, then you will continue to be disappointed. These include Marvel, Star Wars, D&D, among others. If the corporations cared about the people playing these games, they would not unwind all the basic philosophies of the old brands and replace them with woke nonsense. The problem is, that they own these intellectual properties, and will carve them up.
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By hiring the people from The Computer industry they are putting in some money to pay them, Risky!
so what is the least woke d&d books produced by wizards of the coast for 5e ?
The very earliest campaign books.
This explains why they didn't consult or get their permission from the original creators and writers of Dragonlance and Spell Jammer. Never going to buy this new crap from WOTC.
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Don't get me wrong, I want WOTC and its woke principles to fail super-hard, but I have a question - how much of the sale dropoff might be attributable to, say, the announcement of OneD&D Revenge Of The 4th Edition and therefore people saying "screw, what's the point if the new version is coming"?
The decline started before the announcement.
The decline happened after the Covid spike in sales.
Unsurprising. I did buy Ravenloft 5e, but the other recent releases, Candlekeep, Strixhaven, Radiant Citadel, the Witchlight are just awful. If you want a great adventure for 5e buy the Goodman Games re-release of The Temple of Elemental Evil for 5e.
So, we were supposed to buy this stuff? As in, they expected people to part with currency, for this stuff?(Gives a cracker to the parrot. Ya-Har.)
the last dnd book I looked at w as the dragon book. I found no heart in it abd put it back on the shelf. The last one I bought was Volo's guide to monsters I think it was.