This is the same qualification as the other vid from Part I. This shows also some onboard footage. These are the last laps from him i have on tape before the accident.
Thanks you very much. Senna made pole position on Friday,approximatively 0.6 faster than Schumacher . Schumacher, Saturday gained 0.3 before the tragic accident of Ratzenberger happened, just when Senna was ready to go for a flying lap. That's why the gap was smaller(0.3), it's because Senna didn't made any qualifying lap on Saturday. Almost all drivers refused to continue qualifying after Roland's accident. Thanks you for videos.
Reparem que em 2:36 há um barulho de corte de motor, é nesse ponto que o Senna perdeu controle e passou reto. Esse corte de motor representa o pequeno desnível que há nessa parte do circuito e que fez com que Ayrton perdesse a aderência da parte traseira do carro. Dá pra ouvir nitidamente a diferença de som do motor quando o Senna passa exatamente no local que antecede a sua batida.
I've been researching his crash and i've looked into everything, and I'm %100 certain it was a broken steering column. But I really want to find specific telemetry data somehow. Like in Seismic Seconds they say there was steering input (the real reason was the cable was not severed, so the sensor was working), and we know there was no steering output, so it was broken. But if we could look into the telemetry data, we can prove it with numbers. That's why there was weird stuff with the b.boxes
1987 Piquet: Williams Honda Tyre failure. 1989 Berger: Ferrari Front aerodynamic failure 1991 Alboreto Footwork Porsche Suspension failure 1992 Patrese Williams Renault (FOM private testing)Active suspension failure. 1994 Senna Williams Renault Steer Column failure.
Senna hit the breaks and according to Patrick Head,the breaking was perfect. But at the very last moment, with the clutch and the trottle, he tried to make a rotation to the car to reduce the angle of impact. This show 2 points: -no steering column -he was amazing untill the last moment. Sadly, the suspension and the wheel killed him. Without that, F1 would have been very different.
Crash happened due to steering column failure. Otherwise, Senna would have used his wheel to reduce the angle of crash. Instead, he did another thing which proves 1 thing and confirm another one: he used his accelerator and the clucth to change the angle of the crash, at the last moment. So, due to that information, we have the confirmation that Senna was a genius untill his last time, and we have the evidence that the steering column was broken,which is also confirmed by the video
I have nothing to add to what VWaudiRULEs said. i want to thank you, VWaudiRULEs, for saying all this, specially in a better english that mine. I salute you.
they had to make sure everything is ok with the car, so that Hill could race. And Hill did race, but if the black boxes were so damaged as they were recovered, as Williams claim, and not afterwards, then their explanation does not make sense, as they could not have proven the car was good to race
Don't forget that the familly was agree to not be a part of the investigation that could be catastrophic for Williams. So, everybody in F1 fans knows this is a steering column failure, but Williams and FIA could not officially admit it, cause of Italian justice. that's why the vid was cut and there was a clash between Passarini judge and Ecclestone.probably some datas were also hide.The only stupid reaction in fact was hill's one who really thing it was a driving mistake,which shows his level.
@GTAGIS Agreed. And the thing with the aerodynamics failure is totally bullsh*t, too. In the early 90's you could see many many many cars at every track touching the ground. None of them ever left the track. So the way Ayrtons car stopped turning and ran straight onto the concrete wall has to be a steering failure. I think we all know it. Maybe it will be all cleared up in Senna's movie, read it somewhere...
On the video, you can see that the steering wheel moves more that it has. In normal condition, even on bump, it moves only few milimeters. on the onboard vid, this is cm!!!
GTAGIS, i share your views completely. Only thing is, what did he do with the throttle in the final seconds? As far as I know he hit the breaks, which you don't do if you have a fully-functioning car. You can steer, gear down and hit the trottle to spin away from the wall and that's what happens when f1 cars start going for the wall, unless when there is a malfunction. bighimey, what do you think happened if it wasn't the steering column? there is some evidence sugesting it did break
In this video you can quite clearly see the car over steer at 13-15sec. /watch?v=2rl3xNYl8xY Although the steering column breaking is very strange, I still believe the car lost grip, especially since Senna was taking a much tighter line than usual , and was going faster through that corner than on the previous lap. I'm still keeping an open mind as to what happened that day since nothing i've read so far has added up completely. .
could not have been anything besides steering failure, but william's lies have convinced SO MANY people, because they don't think or check, they just take whatever they see on tv as the truth. As for telemetry, the pit telemetry is somewhat limited, it shows you enough for the Williams crew to understand what happened right away (if you watch their reaction at the crash), but not enough to prove it in court. The italian marshals who took the 2 black boxes out of the car said they were in good
to some point i agree but my friend this small rotation happened due to the movement in the gravel and not due to the steering column but i fully agree that he was amazing until the last coment
speculation... nothing more. The documentary suggesting this was propaganda and has been rejected by just as many 'experts' as have defended it. There is NO telemetry data that confirms this and it cannot be proven any more than those that try to prove the welded steering column cracked - which coincidentally was hanging by the crashed FW-16. The FW16 was constantly touching ground at speed as were many of the other cars of that era. Senna took the same line several times with no problem.
Probably the steering column failure occured definitively on bumps + G of Tamburello. This is the combinaison of a bad sterring column which has a small diamter+ a bad weld on it+ conditions of race that are the reason the crash of the Best Driver in the world. After his death, F1 also died cause there was no moral authority to opposed to the destruction of this sport which actually is just a mockery of F1.
A car doesn't go in a prefrect straight line when it bottoms out in a corner. Look at Patrese's crash at Tamburello 1992. Exactly the same place as Senna's but the car really does bottom out.
hard to find datas. There is vids with datas small screens but i couldn t find complet datas. What i can say about the investigation that i followed the first years,is that the theoical speed of impact was 190km/h but th ereal speed was 218 to 221 according to nuemrous sources. i heard also that one telemetry recorder was destroyed during the impact(the car has 2) but it should not be a pb cause everything is recorded in pits.
What Hill said is stupid - driving too fast through a flat-out doesn't make sense, and he was way behind and couldn't even see. But don't forget, he became Willaims's primary driver..I feel like the Italian court were eager, above everything, to investigate and find the cause. Williams were scared they would go to jail. They didn't cooperate. In fact Italian motorsport was threatened during the trials. It was a dirty game - williams's connections and FIA's interests. You and I understand it
Thanks you very much.
Senna made pole position on Friday,approximatively 0.6 faster than Schumacher .
Schumacher, Saturday gained 0.3 before the tragic accident of Ratzenberger happened, just when Senna was ready to go for a flying lap.
That's why the gap was smaller(0.3), it's because Senna didn't made any qualifying lap on Saturday.
Almost all drivers refused to continue qualifying after Roland's accident.
Thanks you for videos.
Reparem que em 2:36 há um barulho de corte de motor, é nesse ponto que o Senna perdeu controle e passou reto. Esse corte de motor representa o pequeno desnível que há nessa parte do circuito e que fez com que Ayrton perdesse a aderência da parte traseira do carro. Dá pra ouvir nitidamente a diferença de som do motor quando o Senna passa exatamente no local que antecede a sua batida.
I've been researching his crash and i've looked into everything, and I'm %100 certain it was a broken steering column. But I really want to find specific telemetry data somehow. Like in Seismic Seconds they say there was steering input (the real reason was the cable was not severed, so the sensor was working), and we know there was no steering output, so it was broken. But if we could look into the telemetry data, we can prove it with numbers. That's why there was weird stuff with the b.boxes
1987 Piquet: Williams Honda Tyre failure.
1989 Berger: Ferrari Front aerodynamic failure
1991 Alboreto Footwork Porsche Suspension failure
1992 Patrese Williams Renault (FOM private testing)Active suspension failure.
1994 Senna Williams Renault Steer Column failure.
Senna hit the breaks and according to Patrick Head,the breaking was perfect.
But at the very last moment, with the clutch and the trottle, he tried to make a rotation to the car to reduce the angle of impact.
This show 2 points:
-no steering column
-he was amazing untill the last moment.
Sadly, the suspension and the wheel killed him.
Without that, F1 would have been very different.
Bravo Senna!!!!
Crash happened due to steering column failure.
Otherwise, Senna would have used his wheel to reduce the angle of crash.
Instead, he did another thing which proves 1 thing and confirm another one:
he used his accelerator and the clucth to change the angle of the crash, at the last moment.
So, due to that information, we have the confirmation that Senna was a genius untill his last time, and we have the evidence that the steering column was broken,which is also confirmed by the video
I have nothing to add to what VWaudiRULEs said.
i want to thank you, VWaudiRULEs, for saying all this, specially in a better english that mine.
I salute you.
they had to make sure everything is ok with the car, so that Hill could race. And Hill did race, but if the black boxes were so damaged as they were recovered, as Williams claim, and not afterwards, then their explanation does not make sense, as they could not have proven the car was good to race
Don't forget that the familly was agree to not be a part of the investigation that could be catastrophic for Williams. So, everybody in F1 fans knows this is a steering column failure, but Williams and FIA could not officially admit it, cause of Italian justice. that's why the vid was cut and there was a clash between Passarini judge and Ecclestone.probably some datas were also hide.The only stupid reaction in fact was hill's one who really thing it was a driving mistake,which shows his level.
@GTAGIS Agreed. And the thing with the aerodynamics failure is totally bullsh*t, too.
In the early 90's you could see many many many cars at every track touching the ground. None of them ever left the track. So the way Ayrtons car stopped turning and ran straight onto the concrete wall has to be a steering failure. I think we all know it. Maybe it will be all cleared up in Senna's movie, read it somewhere...
On the video, you can see that the steering wheel moves more that it has.
In normal condition, even on bump, it moves only few milimeters.
on the onboard vid, this is cm!!!
GTAGIS, i share your views completely. Only thing is, what did he do with the throttle in the final seconds? As far as I know he hit the breaks, which you don't do if you have a fully-functioning car. You can steer, gear down and hit the trottle to spin away from the wall and that's what happens when f1 cars start going for the wall, unless when there is a malfunction. bighimey, what do you think happened if it wasn't the steering column? there is some evidence sugesting it did break
Senna goes on and is classified for that year's Drivers Championship and finishes a posthumous 38th.
In this video you can quite clearly see the car over steer at 13-15sec.
/watch?v=2rl3xNYl8xY
Although the steering column breaking is very strange, I still believe the car lost grip, especially since Senna was taking a much tighter line than usual , and was going faster through that corner than on the previous lap.
I'm still keeping an open mind as to what happened that day since nothing i've read so far has added up completely.
.
The best
could not have been anything besides steering failure, but william's lies have convinced SO MANY people, because they don't think or check, they just take whatever they see on tv as the truth. As for telemetry, the pit telemetry is somewhat limited, it shows you enough for the Williams crew to understand what happened right away (if you watch their reaction at the crash), but not enough to prove it in court. The italian marshals who took the 2 black boxes out of the car said they were in good
The corner where he drives through from 1.10 untill 1.15 :-)
2:35 this is all of us want to see that day. 😟
to some point i agree but my friend this small rotation happened due to the movement in the gravel and not due to the steering column but i fully agree that he was amazing until the last coment
speculation... nothing more. The documentary suggesting this was propaganda and has been rejected by just as many 'experts' as have defended it. There is NO telemetry data that confirms this and it cannot be proven any more than those that try to prove the welded steering column cracked - which coincidentally was hanging by the crashed FW-16. The FW16 was constantly touching ground at speed as were many of the other cars of that era. Senna took the same line several times with no problem.
Probably the steering column failure occured definitively on bumps + G of Tamburello.
This is the combinaison of a bad sterring column which has a small diamter+ a bad weld on it+ conditions of race that are the reason the crash of the Best Driver in the world. After his death, F1 also died cause there was no moral authority to opposed to the destruction of this sport which actually is just a mockery of F1.
Ahh you're a star ;-)
A car doesn't go in a prefrect straight line when it bottoms out in a corner.
Look at Patrese's crash at Tamburello 1992. Exactly the same place as Senna's but the car really does bottom out.
hard to find datas. There is vids with datas small screens but i couldn t find complet datas.
What i can say about the investigation that i followed the first years,is that the theoical speed of impact was 190km/h but th ereal speed was 218 to 221 according to nuemrous sources.
i heard also that one telemetry recorder was destroyed during the impact(the car has 2) but it should not be a pb cause everything is recorded in pits.
What Hill said is stupid - driving too fast through a flat-out doesn't make sense, and he was way behind and couldn't even see. But don't forget, he became Willaims's primary driver..I feel like the Italian court were eager, above everything, to investigate and find the cause. Williams were scared they would go to jail. They didn't cooperate. In fact Italian motorsport was threatened during the trials. It was a dirty game - williams's connections and FIA's interests. You and I understand it
That's no problem at all :) If you have nice vids then you can tell everyone.
i meant brakes.
Where's the Tamburello corner? Tell me the exact second please?
1:14
i meant brakes