@@andywira Ah, gotcha! Based on that wording at 12:13, it suggests nothing else changes in the setup (aside from some cards being removed). Now, to be fair, I shot this long enough ago, that I'm not sure if there's anything that would prevent that reading from being correct.
I always watch your videos even when I don't find the game in question appealing; and it's not just because I'm waiting for you to drop a box. Every now and then you choose a game which I don't like the look of but by the end of the video I've decided I'm going to give it a go and I'll give this one a try. Thanks. Great stuff as usual.
This looks like a great party/casual game. And I love how explain these! So clear and with great examples, it can be difficult to explain these kinds of bluffing/hidden role games, but Rodney always comes through.
When I first started collecting board games, this one hit the table daily. We even bought the themed versions of this. Batman, the hobbit, archer. We now have the $30 deluxe version with thicker and more cards with a nice box and sleeves that came with it.
Sadly my friends have a lot of fun while playing this but they never *want* to play it. This has become a thing for my group. Play what's familiar and don't try anything else. Ugh.
@@staticklingon2182 At least you have a game group.. I have tons of games and I love to play, but my friends rarely want to play.. and my wife have exactly zero interest in board games :(
@@fickminne I use the term "game group" lightly. It's usually cards against humanity now that they're over werewolf (which I thoroughly enjoyed) but yeah I'm glad that they actually want to do *something* when we hang out other than drink and watch movies. Its a good mix of male and female (mostly couples) so Gloomhaven won't be making it to the game night table any time soon. Haha. My wife loves Jaipur, Lost Cities, Pandemic Legacy and Flatline. So I really can't complain about her not liking games.
I watched about 25 of your videos. As a matter of fact i watched all of my lately played games instead of studying the manuals. You are such a good explainer. You deserve the nobel price for game explaining. 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
Thanks Rodney I played my first game of Love Letters with my family tonight, on this occasion it seemed to make sense to simply let everyone watch your video instead of my garbled regurgitation and this explained everything they needed to know thanks for your clear and concise presentation.
Hand wrote a letter? Probably in the 70’s! Looks like a fun little is for travel! Always nice to know about such games. A bit over the top with the flip, but I still don’t think you are doing it on the first take!
That bag toss was FLIPping amazing! Well, one good TURN deserves another, so my PITCH is that this will CATCH on! And I don’t mean this BACKHANDedly, I really thought it was great. ;)
I played this game yesterday with three other friends and loved it, especially the part of bluffing. Just before the end of this one round only me and another player were left. I was holding the Princess and then picked up a Chancellor. What I did was to play the Chancellor where I picked a Guard and a Baron. I kept the Baron and placed the Guard and the Princess at the bottom in such order so I would be sure that later I would pick up the Guard and my friend the Princess. Then she played another Guard she was holding naming the Princess that she thought I had in my hand and received a negative response. Next turn, she picked up the Princess and I could see her joy in her face for she had the highest ranking card just before the end of the round, but it was already over. I picked up the last Guard card that I had placed myself there two turns ago and simple named her having the Princess, ending the round. She asked me how the hell I was sure that she had the Princess and became furious when she learned that I had placed it there few moments ago. Oh that feeling of pleasure :D
@@WatchItPlayed This answers a question that I had 'brewing' - I think. With the Chancellor it is OK to return the Princess to the pack as it is not classed as a discard. That how you see it Rodney?? Great videos btw!!
A great video, thank you. I love Love Letter. We used to play it all the time and it's still a game we take with us and play on holidays or sometimes when out and about. By the way, the Countess is also played when you have the Princess. So when the Countess is played, other players often think you have the King, Prince or the Princess - or you're bluffing of course. :)
@@WatchItPlayed Definitely. I just thought I'd mention it because you were saying that the Countess is played when you have the Prince or King, or if you're bluffing - and new players might find it useful to also think that it could be because they have the Princess. Sorry, I'm being very nitpicky here. I just love this game so much. :)
@@WatchItPlayed I thought they recycled some characters from the Premium Edition. Seems like this is still worth a pick-up despite having the old copies.
Hi Rodney, there's one situation I've always been confused about that you kind of touched on. Suppose all of the other players have played Handmaiden this round and on my turn I have a Prince and the Princess. Since I can't play Prince on anyone else, would I be forced to play the Prince on myself, discard the Princess, and thus eliminate myself? I've always played with a house rule that if the other players have all played Handmaiden you can "choose" one of them with Prince, in which case nothing would happen and it would just move on to the next player's turn. Great video as always, and yes, very impressive bag flip!
I'll go ahead and answer this one. Yep, in that situation - you would be forced to Prince your Princess.... :) - Definitely how its played on Boardgamearena.com
I just played this for the first time today (the classic version) so, I was surprised that the newer edition I bought had the extra cards but, boy howdy...it was a relatively mindless and relaxing "pick n' play" style game that I really enjoyed. Looking forward to playing it again.
I've always loved Love Letter, though I've found that guys don't like to play unless it's the Batman version. Which is too bad because aside from the fact that the gameplay is great, the classic artwork is beautiful. Wonderful little filler game or something to play with non-gamer friends.
A question: if player A plays the "Prince" and a player "B" discards the Spy, will this Spy give 1 coin to the player B in the end of the game if a player B is only 1 person with a Spy? Basically the question is if the Prince discarding keeps the other's player Spy property active after discarding it Thank you in advance!
I thought for the chancellor you draw two, choose one between those two, then put the other one at the bottom of the bottom of the deck along with your remaining card. I did this once and didn't realise I had to throw away my princess, losing me the round.
Two questions: 1) In AEG's version, a tie at the end of a round would be resolved in favor of the player with the higher value of cards played in front of him or her. Has that rule been changed in this edition? 2) When a prince is played as the final card and the deck has been depleted, in AEG's version, the targeted player discards their card and then draws the face down card that was placed off to the side at the beginning of the round. Has that been changed as well? (Mostly just curious. Thanks!! Great work, as usual.)
Hey Jason, these questions are covered in the video, along with all the other new rules in this edition of the game. I always try to help with questions, but I stick to ones that may come up that aren't in the video itself (limited time, etc).
Oops. Sorry! Now I have to go back and watch it again. I should have figured you wouldn't have missed those rules. You're far too thorough! My bad... :)
What if one player has the Prince and apply its ability (force another player to discard his card) and that person has the spy? Will he take the point if he's the only one with the spy or does the Prince cancel the spy's ability?
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. Can you explain what you mean by "or does the Prince cancel the spy's ability?". I'm just wondering why you would think it would (that might help me better understand your question if I can understand where you're coming from).
The Spy card says "if you are the only player who has played or DISCARDED the Spy". So when the Prince card says "the player DISCARDS their hand", yes, you get the favor token at round end (if you're the only one with the Spy in front of you). Had the same question at one stage.
Hello Rodney, Are you sure that when you discard a card as the prince (5) effect or you loose to the baron(3), you should show your card? I consider myself a veteran love letter player, all the time we kept those cards secret... (face down).
When there are only two players left, I hold a Princess and a Prince, my only opponent left in the game played a Handmaiden last round, can I still keep the highest card value @ (9)Princess, and still play Prince and my opponent just immune by the effect played? Thus I still win the round by keeping the value (9) in my hand?(simply not target myself by Prince Card's ability)😅
I do my best to answer all rules questions on the games I cover, but I avoid individual card effects and their interactions, as that's a level of detail beyond what I can manage across all the videos I do. I'd suggest checking the rules forum for the game on BoardGameGeek or the publishers website. I hope you can find your answer there - have fun playing!
That's a badass bag flipping right there! Love your video. But I want to ask if I got a King (7) in my hand, then I draw a Chancellor (6) . I decided to use the Chancellor (6), which gives me the Countess (8) and the Priest (2). In this case, what card should I keep? It is up to me to decide or I need to place the Countess (8) in the discard pile because I got the King (7) in my hand, and then put one card back to the bottom of the deck and keep one for myself?
I have a question about the Spy: if at the end of the round I'm the only player who played or discarded a Spy, but my opponent had the higher number card, does that mean he won the round but both of us take a token? Or does it mean that I'm the winner?
Having the Spy doesn't win you the round, it just gives you a token, so in the case above, they won the round and gained a token for that, and you gained a token for having the only Spy in the discard. Hope that helps!
So good they came out with this edition. The deluxe edition for more players isn't great. Haven't played it much but we don't like adding those cards. This is fantastic in that it's just a few more cards and we can more players. We don't have to learn more character cards like with the deluxe version. I think I may buy this edition. Thanks for this video. 👍
Yes it seems to be a deluxe version with additional characters, but not very handy to take in a trip :) The second edition seems to have some little changes (the design for example). In France I don't know if the game will be available :'(
Womi Soundeba compared to the premium edition Lovecraft Letter is still superior. It comes with custom sleeves and nice weighted poker chips for points counters and implements new game mechanics that make it really change up game play.
I don't quite understand the timing of the spy. Are you supposed to have it in front of you after the round ends and you're still alive (i.e. you were the last man standing or the deck finished and you weren't eliminated -even if you don't end up with the highest number-) or are you supposed to be the only one with a spy by the time the turn comes back to you?
@@WatchItPlayed You say in the video that the person with a spy who's out of a round doesn't count. So in order for the spy to give you the token you also have to be "alive" at the end of the round?
@@cabalpaxiarch7239 Yes, you'll find that explained here: czcams.com/video/RiQ2To5KWJM/video.html Pay careful attention to the specific wording used in explaining it. Let me know if that helps.
Nice video! If I have the princess and a guard, and play the guard to name a card of an opponent, that he has the princess to confuse him, is this allowed? Thanks!
Bit confused by the spy... technically the only person left in the round at the end of a round is the one that has won the round. So is the person who has won the round the only person able to get the “spy” token?
Being eliminated is different from not winning a round. Every player can get to the end of the round without being eliminated, assuming they are not eliminated before the deck runs out. Then you you would give one favor token to each person who has at least one spy, and one favor token to each player with the highest value card[s]. There is no "technical" elimination because someone won. You just award favor tokens based on the rules.
Hey there, I'm always happy to try to help with rules questions, but if the answer is provided in the video, than I have to direct you there. You'll find an index in the description to help you find the section you might be looking for.
Hey there, I'm not sure I understand your question, but it may be that you don't understand how the princess works. It's hard for me to know how to answer this question because I can't tell that you understand and don't understand. Perhaps it would help you to watch the portion of the video about the princess and Prince again.
@@WatchItPlayed thanks, i understood from the video that you play a card in front of you and resolve it’s ability. The princess’s ability takes you out of the round. The prince forces another player to play a card in their hand but as you stated at 4:05 you don’t resolved cards ability when the prince forces you, however, a few seconds later in your video you point out how strong the prince is because you could force a player player to play the princess and drop out if the round. So the question is do you or don’t you resolve an ability when the prince forces it out of your hand, if not than you should not drop out if you have the princess in hand.
@@wondermot2780 When you are forced to discard a card by the Prince's ability, you do not resolve it. This is it's general rule. However, it is important to note the wording on the Princess card specifically. It says "If you play 'or discard' her", you are out of the round. czcams.com/video/RiQ2To5KWJM/video.html Hope that helps!
Hey Its appear that a hebrew edition of the 2nd edition is coming out! So i came to see the video... i think you have a tiny mistake at 0:57. If you play a two player game, the extra 3 cards are not a secret. Also- the flip. Wowww
@@WatchItPlayed thanks. The extra 3. We love this game in our house very much. We have the regular version, the deluxe one, and i thought about getting the 2nd edition, now that i saw its translated, i will do it for sure.
i love this game and how intense sometimes it gets...i have both t and 2nd ed copy of the game. now u are telling that 2nd ed is for 5 or more players? or a 3 player game u still play with classic cards?
You can use the new cards in a 3 player game as well, but if you want to, you can play with just the classic cards (but then your game can only be 2-4 players, as there wouldn't be enough cards for 5-6)
Hey Geo, I avoid giving personalized recommendations like that. What one person enjoys at 2 players, another may not, so I just don't try to guess at that for someone else. Hopefully the video can help you understand how it plays though!
Two questions: 1. If I play the chancellor, can I place the princess or the countess on the button of the deck? 2. If two players are still "alive" at the end of the round, and they both played the spy, do they both gain a token?
1) Yes. 2) No. in the section of the video explaining the spy, you’ll find that the spy’s effect requires them to be the “only” spy on the table with a player who survived until the end of the round. If 2 players made it to the end and each have a spy, neither get the token.
Hey, thanks for the interest. I tend to avoid giving personalized recommendations. What I like, someone else might not - what I find fun and 2 players, you might not - so I prefer to show the game I hope that helps you decide if it suits your tastes or not.
I have the 1st edition of this game, and the cards have this problem of splitting in half when I shuffle them, like thier two separate cards being held up with cheap glue, is that a problem with the second edition set?
@@WatchItPlayed What probably happened was a teacher bought a used copy off of Ebay without digging into the seller's history, and I happened to win this bootleg version of the game. As soon as I get the money, I'm buying a replacement copy and throwing out the old one. Everything else looks rather convincing though, almost as if the seller bought a legit copy and used a copy machine to make thier own cards for cheap. I guess I should just be glad I'm not the one who got swindled. There were other games that people competed for, I hope those are legit copies and not fakes like I got.
@@redzgaming6880 It's been a bigger problem in the board game industry than most people realize. Buyer beware when shopping for deals on ebay and even amazon.
I don't recall the differences. New art and new roles for sure, but you can play the original version with this set as well. Perhaps this article would help? www.zmangames.com/en/news/2019/4/5/new-faces-love-letter/
@@WatchItPlayed Oh ok but it's kinda weird because I have the game in Hebrew and the spy's text says that if you have the spy in your hand or you discarded it, gain a token
Finally! I have been looking all over for this exact answer. So this implies that the final cards in hand are neither “played” or “discarded” but are simply “revealed and compared”…correct? We had a player who got stuck with spy as final card and were confused about whether the final cards that are not highest card received “discarded” status or not.
It is not very clear how to play regarding the guard. Shouldn't the player called reveal and exchange cards if they don't have the named card? If the player is lying, you will never know as on their turn, they can simply swap cards O_o You cannot only reveal to the player(playing guard), as if on the next turn they have a 2nd guard they can simply take your out of the round. That's the only aspect which is not clear in that game. How to resolve someone playing guard.
Hey there Ben, I hope I don't come across as defensive (I don't intend to), but I don't think this is a question of clarity, but more that you're not sure if it really works the way the video is saying - it does :) Could players cheat? Yes, but players can cheat in any game (although certainly some games make it easier than others). This would not be a game to play with people who value winning above playing by the rules and ensuring everyone has a good time.
@@WatchItPlayed you ain't thanks. It's just that trying to introduce the game to people who are asking about that one aspect :/ and I don't know how to résolve this.
NOTE: When playing a 2 player game, the 3 extra cards you set aside, are placed face UP on the table.
If you play with the original variant (remove cards for 2-4 player), do you still put one face down and three others face up?
@@warholcow Can you help me know what you mean by the "original" variant?
@@WatchItPlayed They mean the Classic Version at 12:13 I also would like to know about this as well
@@andywira Ah, gotcha! Based on that wording at 12:13, it suggests nothing else changes in the setup (aside from some cards being removed). Now, to be fair, I shot this long enough ago, that I'm not sure if there's anything that would prevent that reading from being correct.
Searching for a how-to-play video and breathing a sigh of relief when yours is the first one that pops up. Thank you once again!
Very glad to be able to assist!
Same
I saw the victory smile after catching the flipped bag! It's a talent and when you got it, you got it! Well done and thanks for the video
Now Rodney is just messing with us with his game flippery. Thanks, the Internet.
How much did you have to practice for that AWESOME catch?! Best. Intro. Ever.
I always watch your videos even when I don't find the game in question appealing; and it's not just because I'm waiting for you to drop a box. Every now and then you choose a game which I don't like the look of but by the end of the video I've decided I'm going to give it a go and I'll give this one a try. Thanks. Great stuff as usual.
THat's really nice to hear Mike. I always hope that we might introduce a game that could appeal, even if at first you might not be drawn to it.
I like the new artwork, but the prior version's Handmaid had such a great, "Don't bother me" expression I can't resist.
I don't think the Countess has the same femme fatale look she had in the other version either.
This looks like a great party/casual game. And I love how explain these! So clear and with great examples, it can be difficult to explain these kinds of bluffing/hidden role games, but Rodney always comes through.
Thanks Nicolai!
When I first started collecting board games, this one hit the table daily. We even bought the themed versions of this. Batman, the hobbit, archer. We now have the $30 deluxe version with thicker and more cards with a nice box and sleeves that came with it.
Sadly my friends have a lot of fun while playing this but they never *want* to play it. This has become a thing for my group. Play what's familiar and don't try anything else. Ugh.
@@staticklingon2182 At least you have a game group..
I have tons of games and I love to play, but my friends rarely want to play.. and my wife have exactly zero interest in board games :(
@@fickminne I use the term "game group" lightly. It's usually cards against humanity now that they're over werewolf (which I thoroughly enjoyed) but yeah I'm glad that they actually want to do *something* when we hang out other than drink and watch movies. Its a good mix of male and female (mostly couples) so Gloomhaven won't be making it to the game night table any time soon. Haha. My wife loves Jaipur, Lost Cities, Pandemic Legacy and Flatline. So I really can't complain about her not liking games.
Is the only difference of the version of the video and the premium version the Nice box and card sleeves?? Any actual game difference?
@@panos_toge it expands the player count from 4 to 6 I believe. The components are of a higher quality, and they added new characters to play as.
I watched about 25 of your videos. As a matter of fact i watched all of my lately played games instead of studying the manuals. You are such a good explainer. You deserve the nobel price for game explaining. 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
You're very kind - I'm glad you're enjoying the videos :)
Hah! He doesn't have a box to-
[FLIP AROUND THE BACK]
-... never mind xD
Woh woh Rodney calm down. No need to assert your dominance we understand your crazy skill. lol
Thanks Rodney I played my first game of Love Letters with my family tonight, on this occasion it seemed to make sense to simply let everyone watch your video instead of my garbled regurgitation and this explained everything they needed to know thanks for your clear and concise presentation.
Hey, glad to know we could team up :)
Rodney! You're my absolute favorite board game channel!
Thanks so much!
Ok, let's see a gloomhaven box flipping to put the undeniable skill to a challenging test!
Ouch
LOL First clear the room of all toddlers.
Ok, now you are just showing off.... ;D
took the letters right from the tip of my keyboard...
Hand wrote a letter? Probably in the 70’s! Looks like a fun little is for travel! Always nice to know about such games. A bit over the top with the flip, but I still don’t think you are doing it on the first take!
That flip! :D Not only You are the best at teaching rules but also your intros are really impressive :D
That bag toss was FLIPping amazing! Well, one good TURN deserves another, so my PITCH is that this will CATCH on! And I don’t mean this BACKHANDedly, I really thought it was great. ;)
loving the new "off the shelf flippy" intro's.. i expect a complied out-take reel where you drop everything in time
Looks like you might have missed this video I just released: czcams.com/video/9WXTNh3fsM0/video.html
Always a pleasure to watch, Rodney. We have lost count of the games you have helped us play.
So glad to have been a virtual part of your gaming!
I played this game yesterday with three other friends and loved it, especially the part of bluffing. Just before the end of this one round only me and another player were left. I was holding the Princess and then picked up a Chancellor. What I did was to play the Chancellor where I picked a Guard and a Baron. I kept the Baron and placed the Guard and the Princess at the bottom in such order so I would be sure that later I would pick up the Guard and my friend the Princess. Then she played another Guard she was holding naming the Princess that she thought I had in my hand and received a negative response. Next turn, she picked up the Princess and I could see her joy in her face for she had the highest ranking card just before the end of the round, but it was already over. I picked up the last Guard card that I had placed myself there two turns ago and simple named her having the Princess, ending the round. She asked me how the hell I was sure that she had the Princess and became furious when she learned that I had placed it there few moments ago. Oh that feeling of pleasure :D
This game can create such fantastic moments like that :)
@@WatchItPlayed This answers a question that I had 'brewing' - I think. With the Chancellor it is OK to return the Princess to the pack as it is not classed as a discard. That how you see it Rodney?? Great videos btw!!
@@rogerbartrum81 Yes, that's how I see it, because the Chancellor isn't cases the Princess to be played or discarded. Hope that helps!
A great video, thank you. I love Love Letter. We used to play it all the time and it's still a game we take with us and play on holidays or sometimes when out and about. By the way, the Countess is also played when you have the Princess. So when the Countess is played, other players often think you have the King, Prince or the Princess - or you're bluffing of course. :)
True - I suppose all cards are played if you're holding the Princess :)
@@WatchItPlayed Definitely. I just thought I'd mention it because you were saying that the Countess is played when you have the Prince or King, or if you're bluffing - and new players might find it useful to also think that it could be because they have the Princess. Sorry, I'm being very nitpicky here. I just love this game so much. :)
Picked this one up recently on a whim, can’t wait to try it! Nice review!
Glad you enjoyed the video, and I hope you enjoy the game!
You the man Rodney! This hobby would be nothing without you!
Very kind of you to say Sam - glad you've been enjoying!
Ohhh shoot! Round da back game flip! Impressive!
You really just revealed how I think when playing this game. We have the first edition and the premium edition though. This has new characters.
Yes, a few new characters for this edition!
@@WatchItPlayed I thought they recycled some characters from the Premium Edition. Seems like this is still worth a pick-up despite having the old copies.
Hi Rodney, there's one situation I've always been confused about that you kind of touched on. Suppose all of the other players have played Handmaiden this round and on my turn I have a Prince and the Princess. Since I can't play Prince on anyone else, would I be forced to play the Prince on myself, discard the Princess, and thus eliminate myself?
I've always played with a house rule that if the other players have all played Handmaiden you can "choose" one of them with Prince, in which case nothing would happen and it would just move on to the next player's turn.
Great video as always, and yes, very impressive bag flip!
I'll go ahead and answer this one. Yep, in that situation - you would be forced to Prince your Princess.... :) - Definitely how its played on Boardgamearena.com
Thanks to Tyler for the assist!
What’s the answer to this? I don’t see it.
Thanks just picked this game up and now feel ready to teach my family so we can play
I hope you all have a great time playing together!
I just ordered this card game today, can’t wait to get it :)
Have a great time playing Divine!
Excellent as always Rodney.
Thank you kindly!
I luv the bag tricks at the start and end!
Love this game … thanks for the video. Also, that catch you made? AWESOME!
FANTASTIC GAME!! the new edition is more agile than the last! many thanks for the tutorial this game is next on my to get list!
Did you end up getting it? Hope you enjoyed!
That Flip ❤
10 out of 10
I just played this for the first time today (the classic version) so, I was surprised that the newer edition I bought had the extra cards but, boy howdy...it was a relatively mindless and relaxing "pick n' play" style game that I really enjoyed.
Looking forward to playing it again.
Glad you had a fun time playing!
Good tutorial Mr Smith. Not for me but you explained it very well.
I appreciate you checking it out!
"I just...I don't drop it." 😅😂🤣
;)
Such a pleasant and fun explanation video. It's a really good game
Very glad you enjoyed it!
Great review. So clear and helpful!
Very glad you enjoyed!
I've always loved Love Letter, though I've found that guys don't like to play unless it's the Batman version. Which is too bad because aside from the fact that the gameplay is great, the classic artwork is beautiful. Wonderful little filler game or something to play with non-gamer friends.
You just need to find the right guys.
@@QT5656 Story of my life!
At the game club I go to it's mostly only the guys who love it and play it every time.
You are the best!!!
Interesting that they made the prince look more like Prince in this edition 😄
Such a great game for something so simple.
Crisp and to the point… 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you kindly!
This looks like an interesting variation, especially with the spy. By the way, excellent tossing. :D
Thanks John!
Always enjoy this game.
Full style marks for that sweet opening at 0:11.
A question: if player A plays the "Prince" and a player "B" discards the Spy, will this Spy give 1 coin to the player B in the end of the game if a player B is only 1 person with a Spy? Basically the question is if the Prince discarding keeps the other's player Spy property active after discarding it
Thank you in advance!
Yep!
Flipping aside.. love to play love letter
Simple but nerve cracking game. This one is better than Mafia/werewolf in my opinion
A long expected tutorial
Spiderman and The Punisher....great comic book. Love letter is great also🕷
Gotta getthis one once it comes out (in French).
Cool video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Best game tutor ever
So glad you enjoyed!
I thought for the chancellor you draw two, choose one between those two, then put the other one at the bottom of the bottom of the deck along with your remaining card. I did this once and didn't realise I had to throw away my princess, losing me the round.
Two questions: 1) In AEG's version, a tie at the end of a round would be resolved in favor of the player with the higher value of cards played in front of him or her. Has that rule been changed in this edition? 2) When a prince is played as the final card and the deck has been depleted, in AEG's version, the targeted player discards their card and then draws the face down card that was placed off to the side at the beginning of the round. Has that been changed as well? (Mostly just curious. Thanks!! Great work, as usual.)
Hey Jason, these questions are covered in the video, along with all the other new rules in this edition of the game. I always try to help with questions, but I stick to ones that may come up that aren't in the video itself (limited time, etc).
Oops. Sorry! Now I have to go back and watch it again. I should have figured you wouldn't have missed those rules. You're far too thorough! My bad... :)
Sweet video man!!!
Thanks John!
What if one player has the Prince and apply its ability (force another player to discard his card) and that person has the spy? Will he take the point if he's the only one with the spy or does the Prince cancel the spy's ability?
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. Can you explain what you mean by "or does the Prince cancel the spy's ability?". I'm just wondering why you would think it would (that might help me better understand your question if I can understand where you're coming from).
The Spy card says "if you are the only player who has played or DISCARDED the Spy". So when the Prince card says "the player DISCARDS their hand", yes, you get the favor token at round end (if you're the only one with the Spy in front of you). Had the same question at one stage.
Love the video Rodney. PS sorry if I miss spelt your name.
You got it right!
Hello Rodney, Are you sure that when you discard a card as the prince (5) effect or you loose to the baron(3), you should show your card? I consider myself a veteran love letter player, all the time we kept those cards secret... (face down).
I am sure, but if you can find a rue that says otherwise, please let me know!
Excellent video.
When there are only two players left, I hold a Princess and a Prince, my only opponent left in the game played a Handmaiden last round, can I still keep the highest card value @ (9)Princess, and still play Prince and my opponent just immune by the effect played? Thus I still win the round by keeping the value (9) in my hand?(simply not target myself by Prince Card's ability)😅
I do my best to answer all rules questions on the games I cover, but I avoid individual card effects and their interactions, as that's a level of detail beyond what I can manage across all the videos I do. I'd suggest checking the rules forum for the game on BoardGameGeek or the publishers website. I hope you can find your answer there - have fun playing!
That's a badass bag flipping right there! Love your video. But I want to ask if I got a King (7) in my hand, then I draw a Chancellor (6) . I decided to use the Chancellor (6), which gives me the Countess (8) and the Priest (2). In this case, what card should I keep? It is up to me to decide or I need to place the Countess (8) in the discard pile because I got the King (7) in my hand, and then put one card back to the bottom of the deck and keep one for myself?
After drawing cards into your hand from the Countess, you can then discard ANY 2 cards (so you could pick the King).
Got it! Thank you!
I have a question about the Spy: if at the end of the round I'm the only player who played or discarded a Spy, but my opponent had the higher number card, does that mean he won the round but both of us take a token? Or does it mean that I'm the winner?
Having the Spy doesn't win you the round, it just gives you a token, so in the case above, they won the round and gained a token for that, and you gained a token for having the only Spy in the discard. Hope that helps!
So good they came out with this edition. The deluxe edition for more players isn't great. Haven't played it much but we don't like adding those cards. This is fantastic in that it's just a few more cards and we can more players. We don't have to learn more character cards like with the deluxe version. I think I may buy this edition. Thanks for this video. 👍
Glad you liked it!
I am confused whether to buy the first edition or this one...Which one do you recommend
Since you can play the original version with the new version, I'd recommend the new version.
A classic!
I like the new version because it allows more players, but I own Lovecraft Letter which is by and far the best version of this game.
And compared to the premium version?
Mine's some sort of special edition that has a second deck you use if 5-8 players. Came with really nice sleeves and wooden tokens and stuff.
Yes it seems to be a deluxe version with additional characters, but not very handy to take in a trip :)
The second edition seems to have some little changes (the design for example).
In France I don't know if the game will be available :'(
Womi Soundeba compared to the premium edition Lovecraft Letter is still superior. It comes with custom sleeves and nice weighted poker chips for points counters and implements new game mechanics that make it really change up game play.
boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/198740/lovecraft-letter
In order to be in the round at the end of a round means you won the round. So the spy only works if you win or tie?
You've got it.
I don't quite understand the timing of the spy. Are you supposed to have it in front of you after the round ends and you're still alive (i.e. you were the last man standing or the deck finished and you weren't eliminated -even if you don't end up with the highest number-) or are you supposed to be the only one with a spy by the time the turn comes back to you?
The Spy's ability is checked at the end of the round (when either the deck has run out, or only one person is left in the game).
@@WatchItPlayed You say in the video that the person with a spy who's out of a round doesn't count. So in order for the spy to give you the token you also have to be "alive" at the end of the round?
@@cabalpaxiarch7239 Yes, you'll find that explained here: czcams.com/video/RiQ2To5KWJM/video.html Pay careful attention to the specific wording used in explaining it. Let me know if that helps.
Nice video!
If I have the princess and a guard, and play the guard to name a card of an opponent, that he has the princess to confuse him, is this allowed?
Thanks!
Sure is (and very clever!)
@@WatchItPlayed thanks again!
When does the 2nd edition release? I can’t find it to buy...
Very soon!
What if a player has a contess & prince, can a player discard the prince and remain a contess in their hands?
The Contess says that if you have the Prince you MUST discard the Contess.
Woah... how many times did you flip the game until you caught it?? Or was that first try?
czcams.com/video/9WXTNh3fsM0/video.html
Bit confused by the spy... technically the only person left in the round at the end of a round is the one that has won the round. So is the person who has won the round the only person able to get the “spy” token?
there is a chance that there is more than one player when the deck runs out and the second spy card is discarded before the game started
Being eliminated is different from not winning a round. Every player can get to the end of the round without being eliminated, assuming they are not eliminated before the deck runs out. Then you you would give one favor token to each person who has at least one spy, and one favor token to each player with the highest value card[s]. There is no "technical" elimination because someone won. You just award favor tokens based on the rules.
Thanks to Scott for the assist!
If it tied when the deck runs out both players get victory or count the total sum of all the cards in front for only one winner?
Hey there, I'm always happy to try to help with rules questions, but if the answer is provided in the video, than I have to direct you there. You'll find an index in the description to help you find the section you might be looking for.
@@WatchItPlayed Thanks.
So it is ok to play the Countess card if your other card is the princess? It just throws off your opponent?
Certainly!
Do you know if this is getting a premium edition? My nieces have been enjoying this game and I would like to get them a copy for Christmas.
Hey Frank, I would say this edition is the premium one for now. Not aware of any other versions coming.
@@WatchItPlayed Thanks. They are 8 and 10 and are loving it. They were asking about the Queen.
Hi Rodney, why if the princess is revealed by the prince do you get knocked out of the round. I thought you have to reveal without using the effect?
Hey there, I'm not sure I understand your question, but it may be that you don't understand how the princess works. It's hard for me to know how to answer this question because I can't tell that you understand and don't understand. Perhaps it would help you to watch the portion of the video about the princess and Prince again.
@@WatchItPlayed thanks, i understood from the video that you play a card in front of you and resolve it’s ability. The princess’s ability takes you out of the round. The prince forces another player to play a card in their hand but as you stated at 4:05 you don’t resolved cards ability when the prince forces you, however, a few seconds later in your video you point out how strong the prince is because you could force a player player to play the princess and drop out if the round. So the question is do you or don’t you resolve an ability when the prince forces it out of your hand, if not than you should not drop out if you have the princess in hand.
@@wondermot2780 When you are forced to discard a card by the Prince's ability, you do not resolve it. This is it's general rule. However, it is important to note the wording on the Princess card specifically. It says "If you play 'or discard' her", you are out of the round. czcams.com/video/RiQ2To5KWJM/video.html Hope that helps!
@@WatchItPlayed thanks!
Hey
Its appear that a hebrew edition of the 2nd edition is coming out! So i came to see the video... i think you have a tiny mistake at 0:57. If you play a two player game, the extra 3 cards are not a secret.
Also- the flip. Wowww
Very true! In a 2 player game, the set aside cards are kept face up. Good catch!
@@WatchItPlayed thanks. The extra 3.
We love this game in our house very much. We have the regular version, the deluxe one, and i thought about getting the 2nd edition, now that i saw its translated, i will do it for sure.
i love this game and how intense sometimes it gets...i have both t and 2nd ed copy of the game. now u are telling that 2nd ed is for 5 or more players? or a 3 player game u still play with classic cards?
You can use the new cards in a 3 player game as well, but if you want to, you can play with just the classic cards (but then your game can only be 2-4 players, as there wouldn't be enough cards for 5-6)
@@WatchItPlayed thanks rodney
hahahahahaahahahahaha love the toss
*takes a bow*
So if you are the only player left with a spy card and you win the round you would get two favour tokens?
Correct!
Is this good for two players?
Hey Geo, I avoid giving personalized recommendations like that. What one person enjoys at 2 players, another may not, so I just don't try to guess at that for someone else. Hopefully the video can help you understand how it plays though!
Two questions:
1. If I play the chancellor, can I place the princess or the countess on the button of the deck?
2. If two players are still "alive" at the end of the round, and they both played the spy, do they both gain a token?
1) Yes.
2) No. in the section of the video explaining the spy, you’ll find that the spy’s effect requires them to be the “only” spy on the table with a player who survived until the end of the round. If 2 players made it to the end and each have a spy, neither get the token.
@@WatchItPlayed
Thank you so much!
I did not think they had updated this.
Happy to provide a surprise!
Is this game fun with 2 people?
Hey, thanks for the interest. I tend to avoid giving personalized recommendations. What I like, someone else might not - what I find fun and 2 players, you might not - so I prefer to show the game I hope that helps you decide if it suits your tastes or not.
I have the 1st edition of this game, and the cards have this problem of splitting in half when I shuffle them, like thier two separate cards being held up with cheap glue, is that a problem with the second edition set?
Did you happen to buy your copy online? Sounds like you might have a forged copy.
I have never had problems with card splitting in either edition.
@@WatchItPlayed I won mine in a contest at school a long time ago, I have no idea where they got it from.
@@WatchItPlayed What probably happened was a teacher bought a used copy off of Ebay without digging into the seller's history, and I happened to win this bootleg version of the game. As soon as I get the money, I'm buying a replacement copy and throwing out the old one. Everything else looks rather convincing though, almost as if the seller bought a legit copy and used a copy machine to make thier own cards for cheap. I guess I should just be glad I'm not the one who got swindled. There were other games that people competed for, I hope those are legit copies and not fakes like I got.
@@redzgaming6880 It's been a bigger problem in the board game industry than most people realize. Buyer beware when shopping for deals on ebay and even amazon.
@@WatchItPlayed I'll probably wait for this covid crap to go away, because then I can go to my local tabletop gaming store and get a real copy.
More game flips pls
Wooooow mega fliiiiip!!! :-D
Is this on sale yet?
Not yet, but soon.
Guys do you think would it br okay it i add chancellor but not the spy
Not sure - haven't tried that.
What is new to this version?
I don't recall the differences. New art and new roles for sure, but you can play the original version with this set as well. Perhaps this article would help? www.zmangames.com/en/news/2019/4/5/new-faces-love-letter/
If I have the spy in my hand at the end of the round, do I gain a token?
You have to have played or discarded it.
@@WatchItPlayed
Oh ok but it's kinda weird because I have the game in Hebrew and the spy's text says that if you have the spy in your hand or you discarded it, gain a token
ירון אפרים Sounds like a translation error
Finally! I have been looking all over for this exact answer. So this implies that the final cards in hand are neither “played” or “discarded” but are simply “revealed and compared”…correct? We had a player who got stuck with spy as final card and were confused about whether the final cards that are not highest card received “discarded” status or not.
Wow, the second edition looks much nicer and more interesting than the original game.
Rodney ma BOIII!
I don’t think my deck has a chancellor or spy. It’s an older edition.
That's likely why!
It is not very clear how to play regarding the guard. Shouldn't the player called reveal and exchange cards if they don't have the named card? If the player is lying, you will never know as on their turn, they can simply swap cards O_o You cannot only reveal to the player(playing guard), as if on the next turn they have a 2nd guard they can simply take your out of the round. That's the only aspect which is not clear in that game. How to resolve someone playing guard.
Hey there Ben, I hope I don't come across as defensive (I don't intend to), but I don't think this is a question of clarity, but more that you're not sure if it really works the way the video is saying - it does :) Could players cheat? Yes, but players can cheat in any game (although certainly some games make it easier than others). This would not be a game to play with people who value winning above playing by the rules and ensuring everyone has a good time.
@@WatchItPlayed you ain't thanks. It's just that trying to introduce the game to people who are asking about that one aspect :/ and I don't know how to résolve this.
@@Bocalt I would just explain that players in this game (and any game) are expected not to cheat.
niceeee