Springfield Hellion Review: The Best Bullpup?
VloĆŸit
- Äas pĆidĂĄn 7. 09. 2024
- We take the Springfield Hellion (Croatian VHS) to the range, test its accuracy, go over its features, and what I think of it overall đđœ
Killdozer shirt: mrgunsngear.or...
Nine Line Apparel shirts: (discount code MRGUNS20): mrgunsngear.or...
mrgunsngear
Telegram: t.me/MrgunsngearChannel
Facebook.com/Mrgunsngear or Facebook.com/GNGfacebook
parler.com/#/p...
mrgunsngearinsta
Email sign up:
Mrgunsngear.com
MRGNG.org
My Amazon store:
www.amazon.com...
Sign up for exclusive content on Mugclub (code mrgunsngear for a free month): mrgunsngear.or...
Music Epidemic Sound
Disclaimer: These videos are strictly for educational and entertainment purposes only. Imitation or the use of anything demonstrated in my videos is done AT YOUR OWN RISK. All work on arms should be carried out by a licensed individual and all state and federal rules apply to such. We (including CZcams) will not be held liable for any injury to yourself or damage to your arms resulting from attempting anything shown in any our videos. I do not endorse any specific product and this video is not an attempt to sell you a good or service. I am not a retail shop and DO NOT sell or deal in arms. Such a practice is heavily regulated and subject to applicable laws. I DO NOT sell parts, magazines, or arms. These videos are free to watch and if anyone attempts to charge for this video notify us immediately. By viewing or flagging this video you are acknowledging the above.
Fair Use: In the rare instance I include someone elseâs footage it is covered in Fair Use for Documentary and Educational purposes with intention of driving commentary and allowing freedom of speech.
About two weeks ago, Springfield released the 18" and 20" barrel Hellion rifles! They improved the safeties.
I've had mine for a few months now too. I use it for friday night rifle league and Black rifle league on Saturdays in Washington state.
So far, It has been very reliable and accurate with a variety of ammo. Cheap Wolf, Tula, and PMC 55gr runs fine. But loud, since the muzzle is much closer to your ear than AR15. Hornady/Lake City/Frontier 68gr and 77gr bthp feels light. Less muzzle blast. More "kick" recoil. The whole gun kicks AR180ish since it has an AR180 style bolt carrier. Coil recoil spring fits inside of the bolt carrier like G36 and AR180, AK47, MCX, Bren too.
Trigger is not much different than a M&P, VP9 or Glock. Very similar to striker pistol feel. Not worth complaining about. It would be nice if it included an adjustment for takeup.
Bullpup handles unique. Recoil impulse is lighter than my friends Tavor, long stroke piston vs short.
No bolt carrier mass, unlike Tavor, which is a heavier long stroke design. This is more G36k-ish.
Hellion feels slightly different than an AUG. Slower and heavier. Aug has a cleaner single action style trigger compared to longer 2 stage on Hellion. But this VHS-2 has an adjustable gas block and suppressor setting. Those other bullpups don't. The short stroke piston is nice with suppressor. No blowback, no gas face. Gas vents out the front. One friend let me try his Keltec RDB, but it jammed, and trigger froze. He had to send it back. I didn't get much time with it.
When reloading the VHS-2, I grab the new mag, and use my left thumb to bump the empty mag out. The mag release is behind the mag, like HK G36/AK47. You can "karate chop" the bolt release instead of pinch. Using the charging handle is another option, but awkward and takes longer because it's all the way up front.
My only complaint is the weight. You would think an all-polymer frame bullpup would weight less. Slightly heavier than Mk18. Same length. This Feels more like a bullpup M14 when compared to Mk18. Different balance too. The trigger is 16 inches length of pull from your shoulder. Versus 12 inches with AR15+pistol brace. But this points faster. Less weight towards muzzle. The length of pull feels a mile away, Like it's made for someone over 6 foot tall. Not sure how the metric conversion works out. Read: "Gun for Tall people"
but allows you to maneuver it one handed. Neutral balance.
I replaced the stock four prong flash hider. I have a dedicated outdated Liberty monocore thread-on-leave-on 223 Can, and KAK blast forwarding redirecting muzzle device for when the suppressor is on another gun, or short overall length is needed.
This is the single biggest difference of any mod you can do now.. It seems louder than M4. Muzzle is closer to your ear.
I went with the Magpul+rubber grip and mlok front grip. The mlok handguard doesn't have a metal heatshield or slots that work comfortably with a weapons light. I would like to see a aluminum picatinny handguard setup for optimum length for Surefire Scout or Cloud defense weapons light.
It doesn't look like VHS-2 military trigger group or safety is compatible with Hellion...a few design differences. Different chassis and grip assembly, and safety. Maybe some 922r or ITAR legal issues. It would be nice if it came with 3 position full auto, but ATF's gotta go first đ»đ
Overall,
I like this gun
Hopefully some new aftermarket accessories will resolve these shortcomings.
Dang, that's one hell of a comment! Thanks for the added information, though!
great comment i am croatian and to add only 1 thing we made primarily this rifle for our millitary and average size off our people is 6.1 with lots off them going over 6.4. In my family i am consider small and i am 6.5 so for my standard that is a small gun :)
How does the magpul grip screw into the receiver? Does it screw into steel or aluminum?
@@mikeabraham4224 the entire frame and trigger assembly is polymer. I haven't over torqued it yet. But it feels like it's threading into plastic. The only metal I saw was : barrel, bolt, gas block, recoil spring assembly, trigger bar, pins, qd sling point, pop up sights, optic rail. And serial numbered barrel is in a trunion. I don't see any way to get inside of the trigger or trunion area. Hammer and sear are metal, but cassette is plastic. Most of the parts are the same type of plastic, same used in Springfield/HS XD models. Feels sturdy. It doesn't feel like a aftermarket bullpup kit at all.
The "karate chop" comment helps. I think that does make a difference
Update on NC constitutional carry bill: czcams.com/users/shortsWFtVklHLKjY?feature=share
This was a phenomenal review and deserves significantly more views. Great work Mike.
Iâm seeing this in the $1700 dollar range lately. The bolt release is weird for sure. The safety selector is slightly awkward when you are used to an AR but your thumb adapts pretty quickly. I have large to extra large hands and donât have an issue with mine. I have not put it on paper yet but with a Primary Arms LPVO it seemed to be grouping nicely shooting into a dirt hillside 100-150 yards away using Red Army ammo. I like it. Good review by the way.
@H K for me, it felt the same as a stock Gen 3 Glock trigger
Im waiting for upgrades on trigger and bolt release, otherwise im just gonna buy a 20in MDRX until then.
Would be curious for you to rank best-to-worst modern available bullpups, with and without price considerations. Thanks.
Was thinking the same thing. Would like to know how it stacks up to Steyr AUG, FN PS90, IWI Tavor and the keltech RDB.
IWI is probably the best from what I have seen
#1 = Desert Tech
#2 = All others
Weirdly enough the hellion felt front heavier than the tavor when I shot them both. Theyâre both around 8lbs. I like my tavor better from the feel and ergos for me, also the flip up sights built into the rail are nice
I hate my deserttech mdrx. Itâs 2lbs heavier then my Aug and jams like a mother fucker. The micron kit made it even worse and made it impossible to sell. My augs have never failed me. Ever.
Finding the bolt hold open button is good practice for finding the g spot.
Im 12 and this is hilarious!!111
G spot is a mythđ
â@@pmp2559You serious?
I'm doomed...
I got mine a month ago and love it. I'm a lefty so it was perfect to swap it over to left hand without purchasing extra parts.
I'm also a lefty person. What would consider is a shooting class where they have you shoot left an right handed. Best regards, shoot house, barcade, drums,vickers walls.
Pretty damn slick system there honestly. Even if they didn't get every single thing perfect, you can tell they were thinking hard about it and had the users in mind. Thanks for your in-depth review and commentary, really appreciate it Gunsngear!
Thatâs until Springfield decides to throw you under the bus to gain more money
Of course, because it's a military rifle and has been tested as such in very hard conditions
I prefer the Hellion just a little bit more than my AUG, mainly because it's easier to put attachment onto it. ...The AUG has two things still going for it even in 2023, it has less felt recoil (yeah, I was dule-welding them), & the AUG also has a better trigger.
And it's lighter
Better trigger? Aug? Really? I always thought Aug trigger was horrible.
@@masterofnone6620 Steyr says the AUG weighs "7.7lbs," & Springfield says the Hellion weighs "8lbs." ...I'm assuming they might've rounded up on the Hellion's weight, dunno for sure.
@@magcitrate select fire AUG's have a two stage trigger I believe, not sure about the cucked versions though.
@@magcitrate Well, they're very comparable. But the reason I ding the Hellion's trigger, is because it must be pulled VERY far back before it breaks. ...Which causes my finger to curl inwards a whole lot too, so that I can break the trigger. It's not ergonomic, but I'm 6'3" tall, so my hands are probably larger that most.
The trigger is the Hellion's worst aspect, everything else is great; I'm actually surprised MrGunsNGear was so bothered by the bolt release. It's an easy ambidextrous bolt release design, & mine is easy AF to actuate.
The first time in my life I'm actually tempted to buy a bulpup.
đ
Mike, a video comparing the bullpups you have would be interesting. And by the way, do you think it's the best you've used so far? Always grateful for your content!
Itâs not an adjustable cheek riser. It only moves for the purpose of moving the ejection gate lock pin in to either side.
I just got mine two months ago and I really like it. Now I just found out that Springfield just came out with a 20" version I contacted Springfield and ask if they were going to sell the 20" barrel separately and they said nope. If I would have known that I would have waited for the 20" version.
Not me. One of the main reasons to get a 16 bullpup is so you dint have to F with or worry about their BS new pistol brace rule (if it holds) and you still have basically a rifle not much longer in overall length than an ar pistol with a brace and 10 in barrel.
F their pistol brace I can shoot my scorpion just fine and with accurate precision in the distances that I would be using it to defend myself or other people anyway. Then I also have my bullpup.
I love my Hellion. The trigger doesn't really bother me. I did find the positioning of the fore grip you added interesting. I have mine further forward but use it as an actual grip while I see you are using it more as a grip stop. That's cool. One of the nice things about the m-lock system is the customizability and being able to set up a gun to suit the individual.
Keep an eye out for Manticore Arms mods in the works for this. What they've done for Tavors is great stuff.
Thanks
GOOD call. I hadn't thought of that. I'll keep an eye on Manticore's site.
All I want is a shorter length of pull. Perhaps an adjustable stock delete that will shorten it a bit
@@lioncelica5170 You can only shorten it about two inches before OAL becomes an issue.
@@heyhayhay247 I'll take whatever I can get. I swear the VHS has a 16" length of pull and it is nearly unusable for me. It's longer even than an FAL or G3
Fantastic review on the Hellion, thanks Mike!
Not sure why everyone on CZcams thinks you need to pinch the bolt release. After you put the mag in, rotate your hand to where your 4 fingers are facing up and pull back on the release with the top of your thumb. It's fast and you do not have to fumble around by your armpit trying to pinch.
Or just push the release to the rear.
â@@thomas7293 Exactly what I do, it's just intuitive.
I saw a great video of the Croatian military using the vhs2 In training exercises. Thatâs what they do. No pinching. It works great because your thumb is already there when inserting the magazine.
Very happy w/mine. I've been keeping mine on the suppressed setting and it functions just fine without a suppressor attached with American Eagle 55 and 62 gr.
You know, I was wondering if I could run it like that without anything going wrong. Glad I saw your commet.
I think you would only need to put the setting on ânormalâ of youâre using that really weak steel cased ammo.
Doing so reduces volume? More kick back? I was wondering about this option and reasons for using it without a suppressor.
It just shoots softer is all. The unsuppressed setting seems more like an adverse conditions setting. Leaving it on the suppressed setting with my reloads and factory ammo has worked fine unsuppressed. After I shot it suppressed I was curious to see if it would function on that setting w/o the suppressor and it worked fine. I haven't tried it with weaker ammo like steel-cased Wolf so YMMV. @@adyingbreedofman9112
Good review Sir, as always. I decided to get into the bullpup game this year. I did my research and decided the Hellion had what I wanted.
I didn't have enough money in the firearms kitty so I had to trade. What I had to "settle" for was a IWI x95 Tavor. A GOOD rifle, to be sure, but I was really wanting that adjustable gas system on the Hellion. Oh well. Again, good review, Sir. "No bullshit."
You good man sir. Love your work. Keep up the work. God be with you
Two things...Cheek riser is not adjustable, it moves only for disassembly. Adjustable stock thing...rifle is meant to be used with stock all the way IN. You extend your stock when you want to shoot it with one hand, e.g. if you are wounded or you carry a stretcher. Croatian soldiers train like that.
Thanks for doing what you do đșđžđŠ
I think a 20" barrel version of this with a 1-10 LPVO would be VERY interesting. As good as that 3rd group was, you could smoke targets out to 500 with ease and still have at least as good of a CQC package as an M4. Cant wait to see where the industry will go with gizmos. Great review sir.
âđžđš
I like the mag release. Kelteks are similar. I don't like the idea of dropping my mags in the dirt. For me it's easy to insert the mag and hit the bolt release. Works for me. I don't like running a light on the side, easy to get it caught on brush/fence wire. I put mine under the barrel with a momentary switch. This way I can use it as a quick site reference.
A lot of advantages for it. Purchased mine two weeks ago. Itâs already replaces my 8inch ar-pistol as they are the same length. Everything people have complained about hasnât been an issue except the trigger. I hope someone comes up with a solution like giessle did for the tavor.
the trigger really is the worst I have ever pulled. The AUG's factory trigger is bad, but it's still miles better than the Hellion's.
@@vacuumsleeve Hard disagree. It's certainly not good but it's serviceable. The AUG has a barbecue lighter for a trigger, the Hellion is no worse or better than a Milspec AR trigger to me, maybe a bit more creep
@@bobdobalina779 "a bit more creep" is an extreme understatement and you know it lol
@@vacuumsleeveI donât understand why people complain about the trigger so much when itâs serviceable for the military. They make it work, so can you
@@Devin7Eleven the croatian military. you know what's serviceable for the US military? the largest military in the world? the one that spends the GDP of the entire EU on defense and weapons development annually? An AR trigger, which is just objectively easier to shoot with, and you're lying to yourself to cope with your purchase if you think otherwise.
I was in Croatia in the 1990's and some people are extremely tall there. That might explain the long length of pull.
Average male height in Croatia is 5 11.
Re: length of pull - average height fo a Croatian male is 5'11'', and guys in the army tend to be on the taller side. And the rifle was designed for he Croatian army, so...
Excited to see the Barnes ammo in the mix. I have yet to own a gun that doesnât shoot it well.
Same, it's actually my go to defensive ammo when I come across it in various calibers.
the rifle is superb,battle tested and aproved...Croatian&American that is why VHS
I got a Hellion in December and love it. Immediately put an EOTech and magnifier combo on it along with a Dead Air flash hider to run a Sandman-S on it. For sending the bolt home, when you press in a mag you can just run your hand back and push your hand webbing against the handle and it goes back. No real need for pinching. I think the trigger is fine, but if Geissele came out with a trigger pack for this gun, I'd probably get it. Because why not. I like customizing my rifles. I would also get an aftermarket safety if/when the aftermarket catches up. I don't really care if HS copied H&K. H&K hates their American customers, Springfield does not.
I havenât had any issue with the bolt release⊠But I donât âpinchâ it.
I reach up and press backwards on the button. How you accomplish it is personal preference, but I personally use a gross motor movement and hit the button with my pointer finger closer to where the joint at the palm is.
Itâs a fast motion when you get used to it.
The safety takes some getting used to, but I wear medium to large gloves, and itâs fine. My lady has small hands and has zero issues with it.
The trigger is a hinged safety type, the initial take up is rotating the trigger to disengage the trigger safety.
Exactly
26:39 - Bass boat in the background is there. 26:47 - Bass boat is gone. Either Mrgunsngear had the smoothest sound edit ever, or his neighbor is some kind of eldritch wizard and needs to be investigated immediately.
Thank you for the review, regardless of the sorcerer living near you
Another win for the format wars!
Looks good đ I'll keep an eye out for one of these...I don't have a bulpup yet
The cheek piece isn't meant to move. The only reason it does is when you want to switch to left hand ejection you mive the cheek pi3ce remove the pin that holds the left dust cover closed to the right side then you put the cheek piece back in place to hold the pin.
I've handled in person and it does seem a little heavy but I can't lie, it looks cool and I think that this in an 18" 223 wylde setup to push the range out would be ideal in my arsenal on top of my 10.5" 300 blackout.
thanks for the report
It's important to understand what this rifle is for. As you've said, this is not for competition and it's not necessarily for high-speed operator stuff either. This is an infantryman's rifle. The bullpup design allows for better mobility inside of vehicles and when in buildings, but this rifle belongs in the field and isn't hindered by length when it's time to fight through buildings.
Question about the triggers in Bullpups.? Why hasn't someone replaced the "trigger linkage bar" with a taught steel wire and changed the operation from push to pull.? If there is a ratchet cog at one end then it could be tightened as the steel wire will inevitably stretch over time, but even as it stretches the wire will will simply slacked and the trigger pull will become a little "squishier". As the trigger is one of the primary complaints about bullpups, I am amazed that no one has fixed the "squishy trigger" issue.
PS: I just looked through my Google account settings to change the "ADB-zf5zr" This seems to be an ongoing problem... Awaiting google to do something, so far they have simply "shut" chats on their support site that dare to ask this question...
I really do like Mr, GunsnGear, but For how many videos Iâve seen of this rifle, itâs amazing to see all the âexpertsâ continuing to run the bolt release incorrectly đ. Iâm an instructor, myself, so I try to do as much research as I can. The design is meant for you to insert the mag, rock your hand back and push the end of your thumb into the release. No pinching required. This info was easy to find, even for me
Always wanted to try this bull pup out
Love the kill dozer shirtđ
Smaller packages are def much easier to maneuver. Finally somebody who understands me.
đ
Looks promising, really looking at getting one!
A modernized AUG or a much improved X95 seem like the best bullpups, but seeing as those won't exist I'm interested in this one. Springfield screwed up putting a different grip on it than the VHS2 has (kinda like the people that made it had that grip for a reason), and the LOP is just a struggle for me but maybe I'll get one.
Iâm a bullpup lover and this might be the best of them - compared to several Tavors and RDBs (best trigger) Iâm kinda partial to my Hellion but I wouldnât pay more than $1600 for one.
Find me another bulpup that can shoot 1000 yards easily.
Aug No
Iwi Definitely No
Kel tec No
FN No
â@@dado380correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 1000 yards ten football fields? At those distances I feel like a higher caliber rifle with a long scope would be the choice and not something optimized for tight quarters, like the kind you'd see in cities where you don't have such long lines of sight.
i payed 1500 and therefore its GREAT
The James Cameron is one of my favorites... need to wear mine more often.
kel tec rdb weighs 6.7 lbs and also has a amazing trigger but avgs 2-3 moa due to rotating bolt design, also 1/2 the cost of this.
But the issue is you have a Kel-tec lol. Bad comparison
Ok but itâs a kel tec đ
@@MyFlexinIsAProblem it works
@@surfingtothestars wouldnt trade it for this
The Rdb is a great gun, highly underrated.
Like to see this compared to the X95.
Who makes that foregrip?? I assumed it was Magpul but couldnât find it on their web site. Also practice loading and charging with this weapon, itâs easy to forget and double feed.
In my (admittedly limited duration and non-professional) experience with my Hellion, I've noticed that you do NOT have to squeeze the bolt release tabs. You can hook a finger on the front part, and just pull back like charging an AR15 from only the left side. It's stiff, but doable, and gloves shouldn't be a factor with it. It's also far quicker for me.
My problem comes in with mag insertions. If I try to seat a magazine and tap it in the mag well, the stock smokes me in the jaw if it slides off my shoulder. I also don't really like fingering the magwell to lock the bolt open without a mag. I haven't found a workaround for that, and I feel like "VHS finger" could be the next "Garand thumb" if you slip.
And, for anyone curious, my Hellion works with every mag I've tried - aluminum mags, P-Mags, 40 round P-Mags, Surefire 60 round mags, Schmeisser S-60 mags, and my Magpul D-60. The D-60 REALLY digs into your shooting wrist though, due to the bullpup design, so I don't really advise it.
Its not a check riser. It is ment to be lifted up and out of the way when you disassemble.
Got mine 2 days ago and got to shoot it once. So far so good minus trigger, my first bullpup experience and i understand the mush
Shout out to the guy in the background fishing with his dog. Good for him!
I love bullpups for the fact of compact while keeping the ballistics (not to mention less nfa headache). Iâd have definitely considered this had it been on the market when I bought mine. Maybe Iâll pick one up sometime for the gas settings and mlok.
Only thing I donât like is itâs harder to source spare parts for any not-AR
Yeah, an unfortunate feature of almost every rifle that isn't an AR, let alone not domestically produced. Luckily I imagine parts breakages will be rare, but Springfield isn't even selling bolts yet.
Love mine, especially since I'm a lefty.
I don't care how good it is, it has the Springfield Armory name on it, so I would never buy one if they were $2.00. I haven't forgotten the shenanigans they pulled a few years ago. Love the channel though. This is one of the best out there.
Try getting one directly from Europe ? đ€ it's called VHS 2 lol
I'd like to find one without the Springfield logo and stupid name etched on the VHS.
Same! NGL that's half the reason I wanted one since Forgotten Weapons featured it, but still love mine nonetheless.
All you gotta do is go to Croatia
Could always buff it out
Ditto. Springfield should have just called it the vhs-2
Sand it off and paint the gun
When charging the gun with the bolt open I simply insert the magazine and roll my hand backwards and ingauge it with the knuckle of my thumb. A little easier
That thing looks COOL!
Detachable and replaceable magwell is exceptionally useful for those of use in ban states, wink-wink.
Wish you tested accuracy with standard M193 and M855
Wow!! This was an outstanding thorough review. Thank you sir!
Very good and detailed review! đ
Magpul M-LOK cantilever would work great to push that light up out the way. đ
Helps with that Famas fix
A lot of people sleep on the MDR.
Just an opinion but i think the VHS2 and MDRX are the best bullpups rifles out there. The X95 is right there with them.
I really like my MDR in 3 different calibers, .556, .308 and 6.5 Creedmore, I have an old school Tavor SAR , this new rifle from Croatia looks like fun. Mr GNG printed some pretty fair groups, he gets all the best toys.
Seems like the bolt release was an afterthought and that the charging handle takes priority over it in any given situation. I think there would be less confusion if the bolt release wasn't there at all. (It may have been a requirement in the design to include it for the agency that uses primarily uses it.)
It's definitely the coolest-looking of the bunch.
I'd like to see them come in in the original military configuration with the 18-inch barrel with a bayonet lug
Ask and you shall receive. 18and 20 inch version now available. đ
The Croatian Army is hiring. Theyâll just issue you one FOR FREE!
See you got that James Cameron Deep Sea...nice flex. đđ€
Thanks, I wanted to know what watch that was...
It's a shame they couldn't use a CHF chrome lined barrel. This is the kind of rifle you use for stand up shooting/assaulting. The accuracy looks great. How is it to shoulder ? I'd be interested in something like this if it "feels good to shoot". It did great in Garand Thumb's reliability test.
Eh. Itâs a high quality barrel thatâs been nitrided. Other than the niche application of firing high volumes of fully automatic fire without breaks, nitride beats chrome in pretty much every other respect.
@@jimyeats Total bull shit. Go ask Daniel Defense why they stopped Nitriding their DDM4V11Pro and 7Pro S2W barrels. They'll tell you this: Because the accuracy difference is negligible and the chrome lining lasts quite a bit longer, as much as 10K rds or more.
Noveske has the patent on nitriding and they don't even nitride their barrels.
The hellion is designed FOR assaulting, which typically means you may be laying down long strings of fire in a short span of time, really heating up the barrel.
If there's one thing that annoys the hell out of me is people like yourself spouting total bullshit online as if you're a subject matter expert when you don't know what you're talking about.
The military version also has a nitride barrel.
@@johnschmidt501 "military version" LOL Maybe that's because they don't know how to chrome line ? Properly ? I have a number of "Nitrided" barrels and i'm NOT impressed. One example is my PSA M16 with FN CHF barrel is about a 1.5-2MOA rifle with 77 grain OTM's while my Aero M16 with Nitrided barrel has horrible accuracy. My PWS Mod1 Mk116 has a nitrided barrel and it's blah. I have a BCM BFH Mk2 16" middy that shoots 77 gr OTM's 0.75" MOA and a DDM4V11Pro that shoots 77 grain OTM's 0.75"MOA. The BCM is NOT a heavy barrel, rather government profile while the DD is a S2W barrel ie. their Heavy Barrel. The fact that the nitrided heavy barrel of the DD can't outshoot the BFH BCM government profile barrel shows me that i should NOT be impressed with nitrided barrels.
My Noveske SPR with 416R SPR profile shoots less than 0.5" MOA.
Point being.... i'm not impressed with nitrided barrels... the accuracy OR the longevity.
Daniel Defense makes their rifles for SOCOM and foreign armies, Law Enforcement.. etc. An old Ranger Buddy of mine is their head of sales for military, Law Enforcement and foreign and he personally told me in 2017 at the NRA convention in Atlanta WHY they stopped nitriding the S2W barrel on their Pro line.. and it is because the difference in accuracy is negligible and the chrome lining lasts longer.
Who knows though... i have an open mind... maybe over time from rounds 5k-15k the nitrided barrel is more accurate ? I doubt it but to PROVE it, would require testing.
@@rascalmatt6713 Thats all very nice. I'm very happy for you. However, none of that whole book you wrote up there has any bearing on the statement that "The military version also has a nitride barrel". It is what it is. Judging by your wandering diatribe up there, Its probably not a rifle you should buy. As far as a NATO partner country with access to common shared small arms technology with the ability to request additional ITAR controlled technologies if they require them, that just so happens to already have the ability to hammer forge the barrel in the first place, LMMFAO @ "Maybe that's because they don't know how to chrome line ? Properly ?" đ€Ł Right. Maybe next time they will consult you and "your Ranger buddy" before they submit their next small arms tender. You can regale them with your amazing groups, maybe show them the error of their ways? Tell them how to do it right. Maybe.
I'm the guy who buys then watches review. Buckle up!
Funny I had closed captioning on and the program kept saying "Applause" for the silenced shots in the intro. đđLOL
Love â€ïž đ đ your videos⊠soo informative !!!! Keep it up đđŸ
LOL âHickok 45 sizeâ
Damn man Iâm stuck between keeping my x95 or trading it for one of these. I honestly just like the looks of the VHS. Reminds me of the game killzone
I've had my x95 for a couple of years & I'm not switching. Definitely wait to see what the aftermarket looks like
@@kendallculverson106 thanks for the advice.
Since the top component that holds BUIS and optic detaches from the barrel assembly, I'd be concerned about maintaining your zero.
Springfield did a lot of hype regarding how modular the thing is, and a year later, thereâs not a single aftermarket *anything* for it. No triggers, handguards, nada.
Iâm hoping it doesnât become the bullpup ACR, but it ainât looking good.
Manticore Arms, whos made stuff for the AUG and x95 said they are working on some hellion parts. No idea what or when they're coming out but it's something. They said that the hellion design was tricker than anticipated so it's taking them longer than expected but hopefully soon something is announced.
I'm definitely more sold on the mdrx.
Certainly looks more accurate than the X95 with that last group
MrGun's neighbor casually flexing his proximity in the background @26:26
I like how Springfield is now a Croatian company.
Springfield is still a U.S. company. Theyâve just been marketing Croatian HS Produkt brand firearms here in the U.S. The XD, XDM, Hellcat and Echelon series are all made by HS Produkt in Croatia, but sold here in the U.S. by Springfield. Great quality stuff!
Iâve had one for awhile now and really happy with mine and itâs performance. Only compliant I could mention is the odd ball cheek rest. Feel like something better could be done there. Thereâs a small learning curve with the take down but once you do it a couple times itâs easy.
It had a few failures to feed but that turned out to be a mag issue and not the gun itself. Didnât like the Sentry Hex mag I had for some reason.
I really like the iron sights as well. They are cowitnessed with a vortex red dot.
Tend to use the charging handle more than the bolt release button at the mag well. The safety is fine for me as well. I would say it could be turned just a few degrees downward and it would be perfect.
Would love a .308 version of this soon!!!
Another awesome review, thank you!
I read that it was designed with the extended stock of you have to switch hands to shoot
The trigger is definitely not as bad as claimed..but you will say it is, if you're spoilt with fantastic Geisele triggers. It's ALL about Purpose Of Use: you're not going to get an AR with a 16" barrel in a short package. The VHS-2 has a lot of essential qualities that more than make up for the non-Geisele trigger. This is a SHTF Zombie Apocalypse rifle.
The price isn't even a topic: it's A LOT of gun for the money and in fact, imo.. it's under priced. You have to compare apples with apples. AUG, MDRx, Tavor etc.
Great video, thanks!
That VHS-D2 looking kinda hard.
would be nice to see disassembly process and how it is easy to service it.
I saw another CZcamsr complaining about the trigger bar. His claim was itâs flimsy and will not last long and eventually break. What are your thoughts? Iâm thinking about buying a Hellions thanks.
I don't have experience with a lot of them but I just really do not like the hellion trigger. It just feels like a bunch of mush. I want to check out one of the tavors around here and have an eye on the mdr as well.
thanks for the report
At least the x95 has Gisele drop in trigger packages
Great review.
So is this a recommend? Yay or nay.?
I re ently got the 16"version. I'm looking at suppressors. What's you opinion on GemTech Abyss vs HUXWRX Flow 556 for the Hellion?
It not reviewed until MrGnG has reviewed it.
Itâs cool but if Iâm spending over 1500 itâs going towards a SCAR-17. It would be really cool to have a bull-pup though.
I'd Rather have an 18-18.5 inch barrel and linear "Blow Forward" compensator. I've handled these twice, they feel very awkward to me, I also dislike having to give SA moneys. I'd rather buy from H.S. Produkt directly.
Thank you sir, very informative video.
Riddle me this : this is sold legally in Massachusetts. The long barrelled Tavor as well. Just pointing out how stupid some of these states are. I don't care for bullpups but I might buy a few here in MA before the Government has an embolism when they realize these are legal. Not surpressed unfortunately. That would be way too scary. I saw a review where with certain ammo, a flame would eject from the open bolt position as the casing is ejected. Interesting. Thanks Mike saty safe, I feel like the federal government is watching all the great gun review channels. đ
I really want to get my hands on one of these!