Table News: Affirmative Inaction (feat. Dan Povenmire)
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- Job interviews, nepotism, and Affirmative Action. What could go wrong?
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Ok now do one where Florida is all drunk and excited about messi
>we make a scheme to hire more black people
>more black people get hired
>you: ''SEE! WE WEREN'T HIRING ON MERIT BEFORE!"
make it make sense.
''who are you to say the black guy wasn't a better fit for the job?'' one, someone who understands that affirmative action existed and was implemented. two, who are you to say the CEO's son wasn't a better fit for the job?
''who's the real enemy here?'' the people that mindlessly back up the policies to keep the common man dumb, and certainly not a businessman just following the rules in place that give him said quota.
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That Dan Povenmire cameo was the best thing I've ever seen.
He's showing up in all the shorts I enjoy watching lately!
That’s Dan!
He’s been in some before also as the court
Only good part about this skit. Other then him and that spot on non-apology meme, this is just a basic strawman argument (and not a good one cause his counters arguments were variations on the phrase "nuh uh") in a tiktok format except on CZcams. Yawn.
@@KarnTheStrongwhat are you on about
absolutely lost it when dan pulled out the ukulele.
also, as a marylander, nothing's changed. the same amount of people are doing the same amount of weed they did before.
As a Marylander, can confirm
Yeah, I was at Arundel Mills a few weeks ago and literally as soon as we go into Neighborhood 4, the entrance REEKED of weed. Just go on private property for the stench's sake.
But now tax is collected and some of the money goes to state coffers. Call it another ‘sin tax’.
@@TheSuzberrythe "sin" tax is worth it if I don't ever have to come across a body at my dealer's place again.
As a Canadian, can confirm
"The Supreme Court?"
- wears a hat -
*"PERRY THE SUPREME COURT?!"*
I laughed way too hard at this XD
But wouldn't it be the Supreme Court who didn't realize it's Perry? So shouldn't California be the one putting in a fedora?
@@eric_moore-6126
“The state of California?”
“PERRY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA?”
That start from Dan was a surprise to be sure but a welcome one 😂
I DIED at the ukulele 😂
JEDI I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU
YEEESSS HELLO THERE I NEEDED THIS
I love how proud Florida is of Ben, "There I am again" had me rolling
"Sure you don't want me where you can see me?" Yasss! Match point to Brainard and the kids in my life are still applauding wildly. Well done as always!
There I am!
Fun video but it is absolutely illegal to stop Dan povenmire from singing
I thought it was a riff on that ukelele lady channel’s shitty apology video
@@pteroid11I think it is
@@pteroid11 oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
@@pteroid11It most definitely is
Yeah, love to see her 'apology' get mocked for the sham it was
Ben went full mask off on this one and I am here for it
he did great, he was borderline "beau of the fifth column" i like that he pointed out that affirmative action was a start, not a solution.
@@ryanweible9090I was thinking the same thing.
@@ryanweible9090
Well Howdy there, Internet Person!🤠
I love how he has his own opinions, and despite being probably considered "left" politically and all not just ascribing to the media narrative and looking into things himself. Ben keep it up, we may disagree on a couple things politically, but you're a great citizen of your country and an intelligent man
@kazenrova6845 yea, when Ben gets into political territory he's hit or miss, but this take was good.
That joke with the Supreme Court has more layers than an onion omfg 😂
And here I am, just trying to get the joke on a surface level
@@hotelbravowhisky7084 CZcamsr (Colleen Ballinger) did some bad things and her PR team advised her not to say anything about it, and so she posted an apology video where she plays the ukelele and sings about how it’s all just people spreading rumors and a “toxic gossip train.” So yeah the Supreme Court was playing a ukulele to “apologize”
@Stormada14 oh ok, thanks!
More layers than an ogre too
What did the supreme court do again?
Was 'sure you don't want me where you can see me?' a call back to 'it makes me nervous when I don't physically see him (Florida)'. Because that's CLEVER if it was
I assumed it was a joke about the CIA and spying on US citizens
i really like the point you made on nepotism being a major problem without affirmative action. i’m not sure what the solution to that specific problem is at the governmental level, but attacking nepotism could also help in the grand scheme of things to level the playing field better than affirmative action ever could, so finding a solution should definitely be up there on our list of priorities as a country.
In South Africa we've got both in the same august honorable personages.
That's a clue on how useless they are btw, as well as how much gets "misappropriated"
When governments make an equality law, the people in control already wrote a backdoor to exploit it for their own gain.
It could help lower class blacks and whites get into more prestigious jobs, which would probably seem more "fair" to a lot of people.
Nepotism is a real problem, even with affirmative action.
If you had any idea how much nepotism goes on in the state and federal governments.
Well, nepotism that results in [illegal] discrimination is illegal, however the biggest issues are a lack of awareness why an applicant didn't get the job and a lack of time and resources to fight the discrimination legally.
Honestly, the solution is to just fix the problems with impoverished communities so they have more access to better jobs and higher standards of living. Another part of a solution is more worker-owned companies and stronger unions.
Basically, the best way isn't to try to beat them, but to make such bad corporations unnecessary so all you have left are good ones with proper checks and balances.
A Dan Povenmire ukelele apology is not something I knew I needed
"What?"
The absolute fear and confusion in that one word is amazing. Keep up the good work, Ben!
If I had a nickel for every time Doofenshmirtz and Florida man were in a video together, I'd have one nickel. Which isn't a lot, but weird it's only happened once
Povenmire's been in Ben's videos before.
You'd have more than Five, and less than Ten.
I think.
Dan was also in a Thomas Sanders video. So two Florida men and two nickels
You would have 15¢
It’s okay - I got the Phineas and Ferb reference.
Love this reference
I love how Dan is just canonically The Supreme Court. Every time he pops up, you know where it's going
I have an uncle who's racist and misogynistic because the fire department hired a black guy over him the first time and a woman the next. Asking him, "Have you ever thought maybe you weren't the best candidate for the job?" got me off the Christmas card list.
a calculated maneuver, bravo
always hated having my anti LGBT and low key racist extended family sending me christmas cards, i don't even like you people why are you sending me seasons greetings cards with bible verses in them???
it probably was like a 50 cent cheapo card, better to have your integrity than a dollar store trinket.
@@ryanweible9090good luck finding a 50 cent card nowadays tbh
I can't find one cheaper than 2 and those are DOGSHIT
If he blamed not getting the job on them, it's possible that he was already a bigot, and his not getting hired just gave him an excuse to go loud.
Well at that point you might as well turn it from a question to a declaration to piss him off more lol. If he's gonna be offended anyway then twist the knife more to make a point about how much of a little bitch he's being, lol.
BEHOLD! My Supreme-Court-Inator which will make many of the Supreme Court's rulings evil! I was trying for all of them, but then Perry The Platypus broke my "All Supreme Court Rulings Are Evil"-Inator.
I would have died laughing if Dan sung that ukulele apology with the Doofenshmirtz voice
Dan Povenmire showed up for a few seconds, made fun of Colleen, and was never seen again.
Best cameo ever.
Loved watching the Behind the scenes of this one
Here, have a blue shell
SUCH AN INCREDIBLE COLLAB!
When are we getting you at the table??
Omfg YES @@Ben_Brainard
California voted to end affirmative action some time ago. We just re-voted and continued to vote against it. Since repealing it, the number of employed African-Americans in LA-OC has decreased shockingly. Honestly, it breaks my heart things are going this direction. Well done, Ben!
It's a pretty insidious incentive structure overall. The biggest problem is that there's a lower pool of qualified applicants if you try to hire exactly equally or one in higher numbers. And fields also don't have equivalent numbers of people who enter. I imagine what's happened is that they've become more dispersed instead of in simply one institution.
@@buddermonger2000It isn't what happened, not even close, but nice to have input from people who didn't even bother to check if the researchers thought of that. They did.
@JJ-M Please elaborate for me. This sounds like you're referring to a specific study which was pointed to rather than a phenomenon OP noticed
On the other hand, every attempt to un-ban affirmative action in California was met with protests from Asian communities. And that's what the Harvard lawsuit was about: competitive universities discriminating against Asian-American students (minority people-of-color) by requiring Asian-Americans to have significantly higher grades and test scores than everybody else.
It's weird that it's somehow a Black-and-White conversation, while ignoring the racial group that is the most negatively impacted by affirmative action policies.
@@Cosmo1093Funny thing. Legacy admissions took up more slots for unqualified students over Asian Americans. AA was literally one of the only reasons why Asians were even accepted into unis in the first place.
I F***ing love it when you just step in, break the fourth wall, and RANT. So g*dd*mn GOOD. Absolutely nailed the problem with this whole situation in a one minute speech 💯🔥✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿
F***ing? You mean (speaking NY)?
I think there was a quote when affirmative action was first introduced saying something along the lines of "in 20-25 years we won't need this anymore". Well, it's been 20-25 years, so perhaps there's a fair argument to say that if it hasn't fixed the problem it set out to solve by now, probably for some of the reasons Ben mentioned in the video, perhaps it's not really helping.
It was necessary but it was never meant to be the entire plan. You can patch a tire, but the problem will persist if you don’t clean the nails from the street
i mean, i think ben kind of addresses that point - if you just implement affirmative action, and do nothing else, and in many cases do your damndest to actually make things worse or at the very least keep them stagnant, of course it's not going to have a permanent change to the system when you take it away; the analogy to just calling homeless people 'unhoused' without doing any further steps to improve their conditions is a good one. saying 'in 20-25 years we won't need this anymore' was something believed either a) because it was assumed that additional measures would be happening alongside it or b) as an excuse to cut it after an arbitrary period of time, depending which side/with how much optimism you approached it from
@@Ben_Brainard Perhaps, though if you don't have the political capital to do both, best to focus on the root causes.
@@Croz89 Something really necessary that AA did, though, is increase the number and visibility of minorities in higher positions, where they can reach down and help bring other minorities up. That itself is doing a lot to help fix the root causes, even if it's not actually enough.
@@ReallyRealBenMills I think it's interesting to ask to what extent it actually did.
The way I cackled when Dan pulled out the ukulele! This is a great collaboration. I watched the BTS of you recording this, but I really had no idea how it would all come together in the end.
Supreme Court: “I'm Gonna Do What's Called a Pro Gamer Move.”
I love when you get Dan Povenmire to guest star!!!!!
edit - also, thank you for your rhetoric as well. As a fellow Floridian I enjoy when we can drop our stereotypical persona and show that some of us actually have brains.
So this is a wonderful collaberation! Love the content. Glad you are doing better, Ben, we missed you!
DAAAAN!!! It took me a second to get the joke, but I was looking for a Perry the Platapus reference and not... the ukulele apology. 😆
As a Mainer I'm kinda sad to not see Maine included in the smoke talks. At the same time we've had very little to no smoke from the fires because of how frequently its been raining.
I love it when Dan is a guest! Such a cool thing to have a childhood hero in your videos. But the comedy, the D.I.D. Level of understanding between the states in just so 🧑🍳💋
I was not aware that I needed Dan Povenmire playing the apology ukulele.
I can tell ya from my dad's stories that SEARS was one of these way back in the day when this became a thing that just hired whatever black person wanted the job. You are totally right companies that acted like this were the problem. Took me a long time to get him to see it that way.
As someone from Maryland you character design is spot on. We love our state flag to a weird degree and will put its design on anything and everything if given the chance.
LOL Ben's had enough. That wasn't a guest appearance, that was him barging in on the "comic" because he's had enough of the characters!
Ben coming back with some hard hitting facts and classic humor!
eh
"You do some sh!t like that again and I'll give you some smoke you *can't* cook with!"
🔥🔥🔥
I will be using this line many times for the rest of my life
Delaware passed weed too, but most towns are trying to put up road blocks to prevent it.
Bumped into Ben today at my favorite restaurant ❤ best birthday present. Short conversation cause I didn’t want to bother him, but I got a picture. Super sweet! Thank you for making my 18th birthday so cool!
When I saw "featuring Dan Povenmire" I assumed Dan Povenmire would be part of the main show, not just the side show.
Turns out he was only a side show in this one.
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...Why are there so many blocks of weed floating in the harbor?
I think Canada and Mexico both need to join the table in the next round of table news. to discuss regional security conserne's that's effecting every one.
Wish I could make the Albany show but I won’t be able to
I can't wait to see you in West Nyack next month!
I have been told three separate times now to reapply for a job in a year, because they wanted to hire me but had to focus on diversity hires for the time being. I never took it as losing it to someone who wasn’t deserving of the position, rather I took it as an issue with the company. I completely agree with you on this being only a bandaid solution, while also making the problem worse by everyone being pitted against each other.
The Dan cameo warranted a like all on its own!
This was made even better after watching you make it live. Thanks Ben! Great Job!!!
Loved being able to see the live BTS and now seeing how the final product looks. Excellent job to you and your editor! Also, didn’t expect the Supreme Court bit. Too funny!
I hate myself for thinking the boy band bts first instead of behind the scenes. I don't even actively listen to their music yet they still come to mind first 😢
I watched this being recorded, and it's so cool to see it all together like this c:
Yeah - that was cool!
I was confused by the ukulele for a second once he strummed once I understood 🤣
I still don't, i tried to look up the song and still don't understand... what's the joke?
@@theunderscore6859 Miranda Sings' Apology video where she used a ukulele in it, been a meme the entire time.
@@AlicePhantomDang, this is some deep reference
@@AlicePhantom ah thank you, I've never seen that video
@@theunderscore6859 it takes the trophy for the worst CZcams apology video of all time if you wanna learn about the situation I’d recommend moistcritikals video on it
THE MARYLAND APPEARANCE COULDNT HAVE BEEN MORE PERFECT, THANKYOU
I can't stop watching your videos! ❤
Not only is it bite sized news in a comedic format, your vids make me think and be a lot more aware of what's going on in the news! I love 'em!
Also as a Texan, I really love seeing Texas and Austin show up lol
watching the behind the scenes stream was excellent to know a bit about how this is done (which is cool) and the finished product is amazing as always!
If I recall the reason the supreme court had to remove it was due to colleges abusing that rule to prevent asian american's from being able to get into colleges they were qualified for, but the schools already hit the limit of how many Asian Americans they could bring in, as well as the fact they set the bar higher for asian Americans, and lowered it for African Americans.
The side-eye at California about the unhoused situation was on point.
Ah, Massachusetts, our psychotic New England firecracker. Gotta love it.
Which, ironically, is one of the only states to ban them
It's nice having a summer where we can breath in Alaska. No smokey air, no out of control wildfires.
“Mass, wait…”
“Hold me back!”
I burst out laughing!
I seriously have to agree with Ben's take on affirmative action. Any public or private organization that discriminates based on immutable characteristics doesn't deserve to exist. Also affirmative action was literally a way for the Fed to just say "look we did it!" Then proceed to fix literally nothing.
I do love when you remind us from you're from Florida. At minimum it at least makes me grin.
Excellent points about Affirmative Action. It absolutely was necessary, but it should not have stopped there.
They are still kicking people out of neighborhoods to build highways and stadiums. And what people don't get about this, and about gentrification, is it doesn't just hurt the people who were living in that area. They have to go somewhere else. Now maybe in an area where nobody sticks around for long, it's not a big deal, but this is affecting entire communities. People who've grown up together who've been maybe in the same area for generations and have all kinds of systems built to help them get through. They have to start from scratch now. And you have a community of people who don't know each other. A community full of people who are resentful because they had to leave their home. They weren't given a choice.
You can't build anything with that.
Also, stopping Dan Povenmire from singing is just cruel
I'm surprised in the chaos of the weather here, FL isn't just straight up naked now
I'm just annoyed that he treats Florida like an idiot.
We're one of the states that's NOT a basket case, and functioning well, (despite anti Florida propaganda in the mainstream news), and we're not stupid.
God I love the Maryland character. As someone who grew up there, it's so true!
I need the full Dan Povenmire SCOTUS Miranda Sings parody. It's been a while since a joke made me laugh that hard
welcome back my friend. much love from Colorado.
So glad you’re home from your tour. I’m selfish that way. Thanks Ben.
As a born and bred Masshole, I can tell you we are always ready to go. Well done.
Happy to see Dan here.
Thanks Ben good to have you back
It always makes me happy seeing Dan in one of your videos. I know it’s only happened a small handful of times but it was still good
GOV: "I don't like what's happening."
*_Good._*
I love these! And watching the live stream of Ben filming this made it even better!
Dan + the colleen response video reference is the best part of this
Thank you for this "bit" genuinely. Raising awareness for equality is very important.
This is so well done! Loved watching this get made!
Dan once again perfectly embodies the current court. No notes.
I clicked this so fast! Yay for cool guests and ripping the Supreme Court!
"We just need to take a deep breath,"
"What are you, stupid?"
As a native masshole, born and raised, Ben consistently nails the vibe I get from my home state.
IT'S NOT CANADA'S FAULT WE'RE UP IN FLAMES 😭
Massachusetts saying "Hold me back" got me😂
I 40% agree with you Ben!! The other 60% agreed with Texas because I did happen to my step brother. He is jet flyer but was denied a better position ( even though he was the best in the class ) to a black guy because of affirmative action. So it does happen
Yeah, it does happen, I don’t wanna get into too much detail, but my works at this “ company” and there was this new supervisor and word got out that he only wanted to hire Black people to fill a quota
So true Ben, keep radicalizing the youth.
I don't know what made you do this, but thank you. Excellent work!
Who knew Dan Povenmire doing a ukulele apology was something I needed so much
I enjoyed the live you did making this.
I LOVED watching the making of this video! The livestream was great!!!
the collab we all needed is back!
Happy to see Illinois join the table again
He was here during the smoke and NASCAR!😂 I hope he comes back in spite of all that!
Ive been looking forward to this since the live last week
God the fires were a pain in the ass. Even breathing sucked, next to the fog/smoke there.
And I lost it at the Supreme Court pulling out a ukulele.
Goddess bless you Ben, I love your humor, but I ADORE and WORSHIP your ability to call things out plainly.
Affirmative action at work places isn't about quotas. It's about companies taking actions to ensure good faith in outreach to underrepresented populations and making sure they address issues like harassment and discrimination. Schools are different, but it was never about bringing in people who didn't earn their place.
I did not realize how much I missed these, pure gold.
I’ve been waiting for this, made my day😊
Love this. Thanks, Ben. "Unhoused" kinda sounds like we're trying to normalize this and convince the "unhoused" that this is totally normal and fine. Well, it isnt, we should be fixing this, not putting a bow on it by giving it another name. And its insidious. We say its because a "home" is in your heart, not a "location". You're not "homeless", you're "unhoused". See? all better, now. No,Karen, that doesnt make it better. That fixes nothing, actually.
Saying unhoused does not make homelessness feel any f-ing better. Period. To no one. Not even the kids.
Thanks @Ben Brainard for posting this video about affirmative action / supreme court. Here are the viewpoints expressed by Supreme Court justices regarding affirmative action.
1) This case is about a group called Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA) who sued Harvard College and the University of North Carolina (UNC). They said that these schools were not fair in their admissions process because they were using race as a factor, which they believed was against the law. The law they referred to is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment*.
2) The Equal Protection Clause is a part of the Fourteenth Amendment that says that every person should be treated equally by the law, no matter their race, color, or nationality. The SFFA believed that by considering race in admissions, Harvard and UNC were not treating all applicants equally.
3) The Court looked at the history of the Fourteenth Amendment and how it has been used in the past. They also looked at how other cases involving race and college admissions were handled. They found that while diversity in a student body can be a good thing, it must be handled in a way that treats all applicants fairly and equally.
4) The Court also looked at the idea of "strict scrutiny*". This is a way for the courts to look at laws to see if they are fair and necessary. If a law or policy is found to be unfair or unnecessary, it may not pass strict scrutiny and could be considered unconstitutional.
5) The Court found that the admissions systems at Harvard and UNC did not pass strict scrutiny. They said that the schools' use of race in admissions was not clear or specific enough, and it resulted in fewer admissions for certain racial groups. They also said that the schools' use of race in admissions seemed to stereotype certain racial groups, which is not allowed.
6) The Court also said that the schools' admissions systems did not have a clear end point. This means that there was no clear plan for when the schools would stop using race as a factor in admissions. This was another reason why the Court said the schools' admissions systems were not fair.
7) The Court decided that the admissions systems at Harvard and UNC were not fair and did not follow the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. They said that the schools' use of race in admissions was not clear, specific, or fair enough to be allowed.
8) However, the Court also said that schools can consider how race has affected an applicant's life. They can look at how an applicant's experiences with their race have shaped them and what they can bring to the school because of those experiences.
9) In the end, the Court decided that the admissions systems at Harvard and UNC were not fair and did not follow the law. They said that the schools' use of race in admissions was not allowed because it was not clear, specific, or fair enough.
10) So, the Court decided that the SFFA was right. They said that Harvard and UNC were not treating all applicants equally in their admissions process, which is against the law. They said that the schools needed to change their admissions systems to be fair to all applicants, no matter their race.
*The Equal Protection Clause is a part of the Fourteenth Amendment that says that every person should be treated equally by the law, no matter their race, color, or nationality.
*Strict scrutiny is a way for the courts to look at laws to see if they are fair and necessary. If a law or policy is found to be unfair or unnecessary, it may not pass strict scrutiny and could be considered unconstitutional.
The court decided wrongly on strict scrutiny. There is a compelling interest for Affirmative Action. More compelling than a states interest in preventing abortion anyways. Affirmative action is the most useful tool our country has ever used to try to alleviate systemic wrongs (which as Ben pointed out is pathetic). And it was working to address generational poverty amount specific racial groups.
How can SCOTUS on one hand say states have enough compelling interest in getting more unwanted child dependents born yet no compelling interest in significantly increasing social mobility for historically disadvantaged groups.
Additionally, they could have at least worded the ruling that meant legacy admissions were not permissible either. Which would put more than 4x as many seats up to actual merit based competition. They didn't.
The court is just doing whatever it wants so long as rich conservatives win the most and the most people they don't care about suffer.
I expect to see low income enrollment drop regardless of test scores and I expect that drop to hit minorities even east Asians the harderst.
Massachusetts is a MOOD, and I am here for it.
Nice job Ben ❤
Loved this! Although I feel like you missed a good joke about the smoke between NJ and NY.
"Gee it must suck getting someone else's "speaks New Jersey" then laughed at for it."
I feel weirdly proud that this was my exact take when I was discussing this with my family a few weeks ago.
Problem is it's actually largely irrelevant except within specific elite institutions.
It just completely derailed after the questionable part and I love that
This is fantastic
That was the fastest 4 minutes ever! I had to rewatch, thinking must have skipped some part. 👍amazing video thank you.