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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2022
- There's nothing cooler than roaming the town on a 50 year old motorcycle. They just don't make em like this anymore. However, there's quite alot to think about before you purchase your first classic
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I made the "mistake" of just buying a random bike under $500 with the opposite of all this advice and ended up with the best possible bike for myself, an XZ550, that didn't run but seemed like it wanted to, so I was ready for a fun doable project.. Didn't realize how unique and advanced of a bike I had gotten until I researched it after purchasing. I'm also 14 so I have 2 years to get the bike perfect on my own with some help from my dad so I have lots of time to learn.
Years ago a friend had a CBX 550 it was real weapon great performance and a pleasure to ride
Lol. Did the same thing. Wanted to do a cafe racer so I bought a $700 bike that a guy had already started and it's been a journey but it's been really fun. Ended up doing more of a restomod with a 79 yamaha xs1100 special. Still paint and some cleanup to do but it's such a cool bike
So a year on from your post how's it coming along?
@@sambrooks7862 I haven't done much to it this year but it does run, it has a head gasket leak and I generally haven't worked on it as our family is very close to finishing building our new house where I'll have a much better garage to work in and I didn't wanna lose parts yet
@@RaisinBarXZ550 nice one, I look forward to seeing your updates
I remember old motorcycles when they were new motorcycles. Man, I love this channel.
I've gotten myself a new, old motorcycle. 2018 yamaha sr400. pretty much unchanged since 1978 :D
classic bike look and ride but it's not twice my age and needing an overhaul.
I love that it's kickstart only too
@@TheJunky228 - Years ago, mid 1970's, a friend bought a Yamaha RD-350. He loved it. Then traded it for a Yamaha 650 twin. The Japanese Triumph clone, more or less. Raced his old RD. Lost. Ditched the 650 and bought another RD. Not a good picture but my classic was a '68 XLCH Sportster at left. Click on it and it's a little easier to see.
I remember when they were horses
@@scootergeorge7089
"..was" ? A 68 Sportster
Nice bike.. if you like working on motorbikes
@@TheJunky228
Yes Grasshopper 1978 2J2 👍
Something a lot of people don"t realize about old Triumph's is that they were made on tooling equipment that came from the second world war. This tooling was already worn out so didn't have the tight tolerance's needed to make reliable motorcycles.
My suggestion is that if you are a novice to motorcycling, but you just have to have a " classic" bike, get yourself a modern version as in a Royal Enfield 350 classic.
One thing that really sparked my passion to learn mechanical stuff was when I got my first motorcycle (73 CB350), it was both a very common and very simple bike, so that it was possible for me to look up info, and learn how every single thing works on the bike. I obsessively watched CZcams vids and repaired/restored just about everything on it. Before I got the bike I wasn’t very mechanical but now I feel a lot more confident to repair stuff!
Myself and some friends all had 1971-1972 Honda 350 CLs when we were stationed in Maine. One guy had a Triumph that always had to have something messed with, the Hondas just ran great.
hi, i hope you read it as i would need tips from someone that had a similar experience to what i might have in the future, i found a left CB500K here (in italy) but it would require a lot of work, as i'm still 16 i would need to wait a couple of years before even riding on it but it means as well that i have a lot of time in my hands to learn about it and try repairing it if i get the bike somehow, is it any hard to repair a machine like that and do you know if it is expensive to do so, thanks.
Obwohl die Honda Motoren technisch kompliziert aussehen, sind sie sehr wartungs und montagefreundlich aufgebaut. Man kann diese fast mit dem Bordwerkzeug zerlegen und wieder zusammenbauen. Ok, etwas Spezialwerkzeug braucht man schon, z.B ein Drehmomentschlüssel sehr wichtig und auf jeden Fall ein Werkstatthandbuch, vor der Arbeit genau studieren! Das einzige, was Geld kostet, sind originale Ersatzteile, wenn diese überhaupt noch erhältlich sind.@@krystiangurkowski
Bought a 1980 Kawasaki KE175 and had no prior motorcycle mechanic experience. Now it's running and in 1 year I've learned infinity more than i ever did about bikes. Now I own 5 bikes from 1974-1980.
So glad I got my first project bike.
I had a bunch in the 70's. 160 Honda, CB350. Triumph Tiger 650, Yamaha 400 and loved them all. Here it is 50 years later, I just bought a Honda Rebel 250 at 72 years old. (me, not the bike) I'm excited for spring so I can get out and just enjoy it. Loved your video.
I never worked on a motor in my life, but I bought a 65 Yamaha Trailmaster for $500 bucks off marketplace because it looked cool.
Got it running and done in a month and a half. I am a 20 yr old girl so the Facebook group for the bike was certainly there to help me out. I definitely couldn’t have done it without them, but it wasn’t hard at all.
Edit: I only got this because it was a 2 stroke one cylinder so it wasn’t too complicated.
Great going !!!!!
2-strokes are the BEST!
Keep going! Cool job.
My daily driver is a 1983 Honda Goldwing. I restored it in 2015. Did a 2600 mile trip on it 2 weeks ago. Currently working on a 1978 Goldwing, rode it from Greenville to Birmingham today, 350 miles. It's an awesome bike.
I'm a motor mechanic (recently retired) and, for me, the most important factors are mechanical simplicity and parts availability. I bought my 78 Triumph 750 Bonneville 29 years ago, and was lucky enough to find one with only 1300 miles, and nobody had interfered with it. In my opinion, it is the most practical of all the old Triumphs to own - there are still a lot of them around and you can buy virtually every part new off the shelf from specialist suppliers. They have modern(ish) features like disc brakes and indicators (turn signals to those in the US), and they are probably the lowest cost option, although the prices are going up as the older, scarcer models get even more expensive. As long as you keep it in good condition, its value will only go up, and they are fun to ride, with lots of "grunt", as long as you remember the brakes aren't as good as newer bikes.
After I retired, I decided to get a second, cheaper bike to use in the winter when the Triumph is kept inside to protect it from the salt. I chose a 1980 Suzuki GS550 - it's air-cooled, with simple carburettors and a kick start to back up the electric start, so now I'm a year round biker. Simple is good, less to go wrong and easier to fix if it does.
The other advantage to owning a 40+ year old bike here in the UK is that they are exempt from annual road tax and MOT tests (vehicle inspection), saving around £240 ($300) per year for my two.
Some years ago a friend of mine used a GS550 for dispatching. As he had no mechanical knowledge I did the mechanical work on it. An excellent motorcycle over many miles of year round use. It's final demise was the electrics breaking down - something that can be sorted in today's world with retrospective knowledge
Totally agree, rego cheaper down here for 40+ year-old bikes (58NZD per-year) Dave NZ
Oh the joys of living in England! Unfortunately my time spent in the country did not extend to 40+ years so to get my bikes tax and MOT exempt.
@@Honkawsuzyamal one of the things lifelong mechanics always say is there's nothing that cannot be fixed , that model Suzuki was just a coil wiring harness points condenser and it has to be in time there's really nothing that can wear out and not be replaced on that bike and there wasn't anything really that broke down in the electrics on that bike that I remember any more than a 350 Honda (ꏿ﹏ꏿ;)
Wow, diese Situation würde ich mir hier in Deutschland wünschen...eine vernünftige Regelung !
I got a 73 cb500f a bit over a year ago that needed a good amount of work and I haven’t been able to ride it yet, a big reason is because I keep changing when I’m going to decide when I’m “done” working on it. I have done a top end rebuild and a lot of engine maintenance, a bunch of electrical work just to update the 50 year old wiring and putting on new tires and servicing the breaks. I have made my fair share of mistakes along the way which is a big reason why I haven’t been able to ride the bike yet but I wouldn’t change the experience for the world.
A big thing for me has been having the help of an experienced classic motorcycle mechanic in my family for those times when I make a mistake or just am not sure what to do. I would definitely say that if you do not have an experienced mechanics help that you should start small on the work that you try yourself. I also have never relied on and don’t plan to rely on the bike for daily transportation. So if you want something cool and fun to work on or ride around every now and then an old Honda especially just cannot be beat
Way back when I was a wee lad I was in love with our '73 Honda 350. At 12 yrs old, I attached to that bike so naturally. Soon after being "reborn" as a rider, my dear cousin took it home with him. I never saw it again. I am now approaching 65 I have longed for that "feeling" for a very long time. I believe it's now or never, kids are grown, the wife passed away, time for a new love.
Here's what I'm finding out restoring a '74 Kawasaki H1 triple to about 95%. I had a '72 Kaw 350 triple, and brother had a '70 Kaw 750 triple back many decades ago, so I am fortunate to know how to work on them. Whatever your estimate might be for restoring a classic motorcycle, triple it (no pun intended) or even quadruple it. There are fewer places for chrome plating and the cost for re-plating is through the roof! For instance re-plating one wheel is $375.00. Re-plating the 3 exhausts $2500.00 (sent to England). Paint to factory original $2,000. Powder coating the painted parts (not the frame) $600.00. Recovering a seat to look like OEM $350.00. Having Don Fulsang (the best in the business) restore the meters $350.00. Parts are available for most classic bikes, but you'll pay through the booty for them. The barn find bike I purchased is mostly complete, but every part has to be dealt with, and many replaced because of 50 year rust/corrosion. Forks were replaced: The original ones were ok, but had specs of rust so I replaced them $100.00 (reproduction). Tires were dry rotted. Cost to replace $420.00. Spokes were rusty - new ones = $100.00. Cost to have a shop lace the new spokes, install the tires, and balance with a digital meter = $275.00 (got a great deal). New rubber dampers $300.00. New bolts and screws $200. Plastic chrome on blinkers flaking off. Cost to replace the blinkers and stems $100.00 (reproduction). New chain, new brake pads, new handlebars, new handlebar switches, new gaskets, new cables, rebuild carbs ect, ect, and ect. I've got hours sanding the frame for painting, polishing the corroded aluminum, putting parts back together, and dealing with 50 year old wiring. It never stops! Figure I'm going to have close to $8,000 plus what I gave for it. Is it worth it? I have a lot of free time, so in my case it is. Hope this gives you some idea what you're up against.
I looked at purchasing an expensive Classic 70s model Kawasaki Z900 or a Z1R in original running order or FULLY RESTORED and sorted out..What I ended up looking at where ALL only very well used and worn COSMETICALLY restored bikes that looked a million dollars..and still for a huge price..ALL these bikes had either unserviceable steering head bearings and swingarm bearings as well and needed these replaced..plus other issues..So for less than half the price..WITH NO ISSUES at all I decided on a much newer 2010 model Kawasaki Versys 650 ABS with a mere 10250 kms on the clock instead..I couldn't have made a better purchase for the price $AUD5000 with RW Certificate honestly...
You can also go for royal Enfield continental GT 650
@@ashutoshrajput3757 Sorry my brother had the very first model of that bike and on ALL his long trips I was called to pick him up with the trailer..Turned out this second hand bike was tampered with by the previous owner so not reliable..
@@albertsammut433 i agree with u brother. Realy these RE causes a lot of issue while we take it for long journeys. If we ride everyday for 700to900kms it really causes a certain issues, specialy in hot climate zoned areas.
But the issue with interceptor is minimalistic.and its specific due to the placement of relay system beside the engine (where it doesn't get chance to get cooler).
For India its best option just for its accessibility and durable engine(if maintained properly. oil chNged in time, etc) it lasts very well here.
And both continental650gt and interceptor share same engined and other spares.
@@jyotiprakashdas4429 Thank you too dear riding friend..I think Royal Enfield and Triumph are very well build bikes..But my silly brother bought his bike without inspecting it first so it had a terrible previous owner who didnt maintain it well and sold it cheap..so my dear brother bought a cheap problem bike.
@@albertsammut433 u r right brother.
Triumph is amazing
RE also make great bike .
althg Many owners buy there RE bike, they lack proper knowledge of when to change the engine oil and many other things.
Even the authorised service centre don't make proper suggestions abt the oil change interval period(i have seen in most of the region of India).
So atlast a lot of issue arises.(most specific issued piston ring get worn within few months of owning the bike, crank case, valve guide gets worn ,oil stem issue , severe scratchs inside bore block and many others severe issues).
I can't blame the owners coz its the fault of authorised service centre coz they dont make the owner aware abt proper maintenance.(m teling specifically abt India).
I asked some owners abt oil change interval. They just mentioned they have never changed the oil .just refilled it when it got low and driven it like this for months, which further resulted in other shorts of catastrophic failure.
Even the owner are not made aware abt the running in period of these machines(which is mandatory for every RE engine, as per my experience for around 3000kms atleast.) Not following it is also hazardous.
Coz,
Once a rider riden his RE bike constntly for 550kms after buying the bike Frm the showroom at a stretch. After reaching the destination he parked the bike and within few minutes the bike caught fire and blast occured. 500cc bullet it was )
RE are best. But i m never happy with there services.
They don't fix the machine,rather they try to kill the machine like a slow poison does).
Thus within 25-30k kilometres severe breakdown occurs in most oF the RE bikes in India.
If RE is maintained properly it can last for i guess 150k to 200k kms or more with minor issues
Don't forget about the most reliable motorbike ever made....the BMW K100 and K75 's from the 80s. Sold my 1985 K100 for $1500 with 347 thousand kms on it and it still ran quite well.
I used to have and old 1981 Honda modified cafe racer that I bought on a whim cus it was pretty. A bit after I bought it the clutch failed and I couldn’t find a replacement anywhere, I asked my mechanic if he could jury rig it and he ended up mounting an old Suzuki clutch on a jackshaft and connecting that to the transmission, it worked pretty good. A few months later it started leaking oil, turns out the engine block had a crack, I had to fill it up every other week. Then the lights failed, my mechanic “fixed them” but they failed a week later so I ended up just charging my battery every day after coming home from work. Then the front brake stopped working and by that point I was already pretty annoyed with it, plus it was really uncomfortable to ride, the seat was to high and the handlebars were too low and it hurt my back so I ended up selling it after only a year.
I bought my 74' Norton new and still have it today. It's nearly pristine all original and the experience of going thru the starting procedure is still fun. I haven't had the key out of the ignition in over 30 years because nobody can find it's location any way, so why take it out? I've owned a few of the bikes shown in your video and it's been a good life buying them new off the show room!
I had one of those and regret selling it. I know where the ignition switch is.
I bought my 850 Commando MKIII Roadster in 1997, and I just love it. The starting procedure is as you say fun. It is a part of the riding experience. But I take the key out, hehe.
I like your name here. Tom Christenson and Hogslayer are legends.
Anyone looking to buy their first classic bike should watch this video. You've described both the magic and reality of classic ownership. It's not for everyone. If you don't have the skills/tools/facility to do maintenance yourself or the money to pay someone else, it isn't for you. Another area you covered, actually having an available local mechanic who is knowledgeable about your specific bike is key. And finally, I loved that you mentioned patience and pre-purchase research - both key to successful classic bike ownership. Great video!
So ist es, nicht zu vergessen einen ruhigen Platz für die Montage! Wenn man Talent und Gefühl für Mechanik hat kann man sich aber mit Geduld einarbeiten.
@@jensnitsche4994 I agree!
Depends if you count 50cc as a 'motorcycle' because I have a 1976 Simson S50B. It's an East German two stroke with proper motorcycle ergonomics and a 3 speed manual transmission. It's definitely a classic and has a cult following here in Hungaryand all across Estern Europe and Germany . I also have an '81 Jawa Babetta, a Checoslovakian masterpiece with pedals and a purely mechanical (and quite clever might I add) automatic transmission. But that's barely a moped and I ride it ironically. I hope anyone who reads this looks the 'bikes' up and learns a little about Eastern bloc motorcycles! Greetings from Hungary!🇭🇺
Have a C50 and a CB50. I wouldn't call the C50 fun, but it is practical. The CB50, however, is a fantastic lie. It's the most chuckable bike I've ever had, you have to keep the revs up because there is no torque and because it's small and you are so much closer to the ground it feels much faster than it is. It's tiny and slow, but in city traffic it feels like a GP bike.
I had a Simson 50 for a while in England in the early 90s 😃
Tomos are still an extremely common sight here in holland. Especially the quadro model. Its still the cheapest and most affordable moped, even though most of them are around 2 decades old now.
Really great video! Thanks for the mention of Keep On Wrenching! You nailed it. I find Honda 350s from 1968-1974 are a great bike to work on due to the parts availability and the affordability of those parts. You can grab one for less than a grand typically that's mostly complete. From my experience, it takes about $2,000-3,000 to fully restore one as a baseline. Of course, that depends on what you're starting out with. Totally agree that you should try to get original parts and not cheap knock-offs. At the end of the day, the 350s are super reliable, about as simple to work on as it gets, and can help jumpstart a new hobby. I agree that you should try to look for something that has a freed-up engine (not locked up) if you're just getting started. If my first bike (70 CB350-running) would have been my 2nd bike (72 CL350-locked up) I don't think I would still be restoring old motorcycles! :)
If you change the cam chain, remember to tighten the sprocket bolts. don't be an impatient eejit like I was. When you are nineteen, you know it all but still blow up engines. Another hot tip, check the spacers on the front wheel spindle are assembled in the correct order, such that the wheels line up. I have the scars on my knees to prove that this is important. I enjoyed the Honda 350 but did not enjoy being spat off of it at 60mph.Have fun with your bikes.
Hier in Deutschland war man als Jugendlicher mit der Cb 350 König auf der Straße mit über 30 PS. Das hatten hier nur einige Jahre zuvor wenige Motorräder der 600 ccm Oberklasse von BMW und Zündapp.
@@jensnitsche4994 Das ist so cool. Die CB350 sind so besondere Motorräder. Sie wecken viel Nostalgie.
Brilliant video. Spot on I’d say. Of course I’m speaking with hindsight, having had many bikes and I do all my own maintenance work. I recently broke a cardinal rule…. I bought a pretty bike; a show bike. Having rebuilt bikes in the past, I decided to pay a little more and buy a complete bike which looked superb. In fact the same colour as your title shot, a 1968 CB250K0. It had been displayed at shows. I have ridden it a few times and commuted, but I have had to apply copper slip etc to all the bolts which have never been lubed. Fitted a new clutch, two carb strips, an oil leak from the rocker area, deglaze rear shoes and do on… I’ve got the experience so not the end of the world, but as you say, not something for a newbie if they have no access to a mechanic. Stick to good old advice which I didn’t. Buy a runner, it’s always better than a bike that has been sat.
New owner of a 1980 CM400T. It has started me on a journey to becoming a better small engine mechanic. I'm already good with electronic work but mechanical things I've not had the desire nor availability of things to learn on. As soon as I sort out the misfiring around 3k rpm, I'll be so happy!
Any progress on the bike John? I've just picked up an 81 CM400E and would love to hear more about yours!
@@motomotorized I'll be trying to improve the bike over the winter. I've mostly spent my free time enjoying it, the misfiring seems to clear up after about 15m of cruising. Money is always an issue and xmas is coming. My plan before next spring is an oil change (and inspection of a leak around the shift lever), new head gasket, new choke cable, and new tires. I may take the carbs out to clean them but I'm nervous I'll desync them. The throttle doesn't spring back like I think it should so there's another reason to get into the carbs.
All said, it starts and runs good enough that I just ignore most of the above and go for a ride. Honda made amazing bikes in the 70s/80s, I'm a big fan now.
As someone who has been around old and very old bikes as early as the pre war 30's both from Europe and Japan not having any mechanical skills is not a problem at all, you can do everything short of machining a damaged cylinder by yourself with very little tools.
Old bikes are so simple in their conception and have very little to no electric circuit at all. All you need really is the Haynes manual for the biie you get, preferably the original owner's manual for everyday maintenance and somewhere to work on it without being in the driveway or in the street.
It can seems daunting to take an engine apart to check the valves or redo a finicky transmission but as long as you follow the manuals and use the right tools anyone who's willing to try and get dirty hands from time to time can do everything a shop would and more.
Last word of advice that you don't hear often enough I think is that Japanese manufacturing seems to use Philips head screws for everything but it's actually JIS, Japanese Industry Standard, the shape is slightly different and if you use Philips screwdrivers you'll eat all the screws on your bike so get a set of JIS screwdrivers if you choose a Nippon motorcycle.
Bart I’m a huge fan of your channel and I don’t think there’s anything to keep you from growing a hugely successful channel. As an owner of a classic motorcycle you pretty much summed up the whole vintage bike ownership experience.
I’ve pretty much managed to keep my 75’ Kawasaki Z1b running with the help of a good Haynes service manual. Fortunately there is still OEM parts still out there and available. But scalpers are scooping up parts and driving the prices upward. I’ve repaired many bits and pieces of the bike with just disassembly and a good cleaning. I know the bike from one end to the other. With that said I’m just not prepared to split engine cases and pull all the internal out and do all the machining and measuring all the tolerances etc. I’m going to go to a well know vintage bike mechanic shop for the internals.
So far my 75’ has 14k on the clock and an extensive internal rebuild is not yet needed. I’ve slowly over time replaced or repaired nearly everything from cables, brake pads and shoes, sprockets &, chain, points, calipers, master brake cylinders, fork seals and the like. As I go I paint and polish to keep the bike corrosion free and looking good or better than it was. And for Gods sake don’t take something apart and let time get away from you getting it back together while it’s is fresh on your mind. Some fasteners and the like have very particular specific places they need to go, and you aren’t going to recall all that years down the road.
Nuf said I’m going to go out the garage and admire my classic 75’ Z1. 😎
Absolut richtig!
Great video! This spring I bought a Gilera 106ss with zero mechanical experience. I bought the shop manuals and watched videos and the first time I got her to fire over was amazing! She's coming along but still a ways to go. Don't be afraid of the projects but don't kid yourself on the amount of work it will take
Nostalgia. Love old bikes. Makes me go back to my teenage years.
Have to agree with your observations - had mostly newer bikes - many Italian - then I had a 15 year hiatus when I moved from the UK to Denmark - had kids and then finally persuaded my wife that I a bike would make me happy. I decided on an old Triumph - something that would keep me occupied during the winter - settled on a 1971 TR6C "Desert Sled". All the things you mentioned are true with these bikes - you can't really use them for long distances - although I'm regularly reminded by my older bike club-mates that they road Europe thin in their heyday - I regularly remind them that their bikes weren't 50 odd years old back then. Anyway - it looks and sounds wonderful - even rides great - well - once you get over the very scary brakes.
I would say I'm an occasionally regretful, but mostly happy classic biker. PS the Triumph is my only motorcycle - unless you count a Puch Maxi as a motorcycle!
Like the man says....read & learn first. I researched my interest bike for 12 months to find the year and model first & another 12 months to find one that I wanted to own. 1995 FXD Superglide. factory condition.
Having owned 3 Honda CBs (750K, 750F and 900F) among several others, I can say the CB750K is an excellent choice for a classic that feels modern and is also nicely reliable.
The advice about sitting on your idea and letting it settle is absolutely true. I rushed into buying my 240Z. It was the first one I saw and drove, my father told me not to, but what did he know? Well, I found out what he knew.
Like the Kawasaki Z200, where the cams where wearing faster than the tires?
I find it refreshing to listen to you talk about your old bike. You get it. Riding is for the enjoyment of riding. The world is a beautiful place. Slow down. Some things you will only see once in a lifetime, but you have to look.
True on the OEM parts. My CB550F runs great with the OEM air box. Japanese engineers knew what they were doing. Who I’m I to question that.
I own a 1980 CB 900 Custom. It's it the best all around classic motorcycle I've owned. Although I do love my CB 350 for cruising around for a day 1 up and the reliability of both these bike is amazing.
I used to own a Sunbeam Alpine. I can't remember how many times I pushed it home. At least it was a lightweight car. When I sold it, I had spent more time working on it than driving it. It cured me of my desire to own a British car. I prefer Japanese and German vehicles now. They are more dependable, and parts are easier to find. Good luck and take care.
I agree with pretty much all of this. I've been wrenching on Honda bikes (and a few other mfg) for 50+ years. I have restored about a dozen or so bikes as well. I also own the 1971 Honda CB750 that my Dad bought new back in the day. I restored that one back in 2006. I love the Hondas because for that era (late 60's/early 70's) parts and documentation is readily available. While I also own more modern bikes, I get a special thrill out of taking a 50 year old bike for local rides and love seeing peoples reactions to it. Great example - In my area, we have the annual Laconia (NH) bike rally. Thousands upon thousands of bikes in a relatively small area. A lot of these are expensive, late-model, custom Harley Davidsons. But when I park my classic CB750 among them, people are immediately drawn to the bike. I hear a lot of people saying they either had one, or someone they knew did. It generates a LOT of conversations. You cannot understate the cool factor with these. As you stated, the biggest part of being a classic bike owner is to get educated! I prefer to do my own wrenching - this helps especially if you ever have an issue while riding. 99% of the time, I am able to address whatever mechanical issue that might crop up and get myself rolling again in short order. Knowledge = power here, kids! Good work and keep up these great videos.
I had a 1982 Honda CBX-1000 Prolink for 23 years from 1998.
Very few problems. I put 86 000 km on it and sold it last year with cac106 000 km on the odometer.
They are surprisingly easy to work on. It just takes a little more time.
Checking the valve clearance 0f 24 valves takes a little more time.
Everything is easy accessible.
The only drawback is the fuel consumption. I averaged 14.6 km/l using it for touring.
Having had the cb 550 and cb 750 I'd have to recommend the 550. There wasn't much difference with the top speed as the 550 was a lighter bike.
Cb 750
More relax
Try a CBX550 they're a pleasure
The 550 also makes a great cafe racer
The 550 was such a smooth engine.
Nice video. You touched on parts availability a couple of times. For me this is a really big deal when choosing old cars/bikes. I hate the thought that if this one little bit breaks or wears out, I can't rely on getting a replacement. Some people love having to go to shows to find that elusive part in a tatty old cardboard box in amongst a heap of junk, but I'm not so keen.
14:16 I was smiling to myself before you said what you did...because I knew what you were going to say, and I TOTALLY get it!
As you said, get what you need. I needed a daily commuter. Simple, reliable and with lots of spare parts still available. I'm planning to keep my 1988 Yamaha XT600 for life.
I'm glad I found your channel it's been enjoyable and refreshing.
Motorbikes are the closest thing to flying without leaving the ground!! Classics are extra special like taken out an old P51 for a sunset flight
TR6 was my dream car in high school. Quite possibly the coolest classic roadster
Great video!!
Cheers mate
USA
Absolutely right about ‘70s Japanese bikes😎.
My 46 year old showroom condition ‘76 Yamaha XS 650 is every bit as reliable as my ‘19 Bonneville T120 and my ‘20 BMW F900XR.😘 It will outperform a brand new Royal Infield 650 Interceptor and the fit & finish is heads and shoulders above anything in the RE lineup🧐.
XS650 Yamaha best British bike ever built 👍
I have 5 XS 650s, and the engineering is incredible. Everything in the engine is on ball or roller bearings. They are easy to work on, easy to get running right, fun to ride, cheap to buy, and parts are available all over the place. I have a '76, '78,'79, '80, and '81. The 81 is for parts, and only the 76 and the 80 run right now, but the 78 is next. I restored the two that run from 30-year-old barn finds for $350 and $450. Plus I have boxes of spare parts and at least 3 spare engines. I think I have a total of $2000 in all of it.
Spot on video. As you mensioned, is really cool to see peaple taking pics from your classic motocycle when you stop/park. I have 2 classic portuguese 50cc motocycles from the late 70's. I didn't know much about mechanics, but still managed to do restore them ( Both motocycles where "barn find" , so they weren"t in riding condicions.)
Each on took me around 1 and half years to rebuilt them, bought especific service books for the engine, posted a lots of questions on facebook groups. At the end i learned a lot with my wins and fails during the restoration process and now i got "promoted" to the guy that not owns a shop, but is always fixing his friends motocycles..😅😅
Helpful!? Dude this video was beautiful! “Chrome and simple subtle beauty…”, I’m borrowing that one, thank you very much! Also, sharing your young family there at the end, precious. One of the best I’ve seen so far man. Very informative, inspiring, accurate and realistic! Reminds me of 2 bikes I owned, a Yamaha XS 1100 fixer upper that I never started, and a Yamaha YB100 that was one of the best bikes I ever owned! Your advice is as good as gold👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿. Thanks again man.
My list of classic bikes, 1945 350cc BSA B31, 1958 250cc BSA C11G , 1968 250cc BSA B25 Starfire , 1965 Triumph Tiger 100 500cc, 1972 650cc T65 Trophy Triumph , Triumph 650cc Thunderbird custom , 1975 Triumph T140V Bonneville 750cc , 1981 Triumph T140ES Bonneville 750cc , 1972 Norton Interstate 750cc , Honda CM450e 1983 , Honda CM450c 1982 , Honda CMX 450 Rebel 1986 , 1998 Triumph T959 Daytona , 1993 Triumph Thunderbird 900cc , 1998 Suzuki Marauder 800cc, and a custom flat tracker made with all the left over bits in the workshop and garage (not finished yet) .
Recently bought a 1981 BMW R100RT. I had owned the same year, model and colour in the 1980s. Riding along a country lane, suddenly the exhaust noise got a whole lot louder!. My first thought was, oh no, exhaust system has a hole it, I looked down, the whole left muffler was absent without leave!
Retraced my path and found the muffler on the side of the road. Waited til it cooled then rode home with cradling the muffler on a very noisy bike. Jumped Into my modern Kombi and into town, bought some M6 screws and spring washers, refitted the muffler and replaced screws on the opposite side. Moral of the story, old bikes, check every bolt nut and screw you can see.
I've owned a number of the bikes you mention when they were new (CB350, CB750F1) having started riding in 1971. I've also rebuilt four of my engines due to some issue (Honda C92 125cc twin - split a piston, CB350 - chipped a camshaft, Norton Commando - because I could, CB900F cam chain replacement). I'd add a couple of considerations to your list: Norton Commando fastback (750 or 850 electric start). Great handling, simple (separate gearbox and engine) and light. For a smaller classic, the single cylinder CB250RS is a great choice. When looking for an older bike, also check the rubber items like boots, intake, hoses and if possible, seals (my 2005, ST1300 needed a new clutch seal that was a challenge to replace). Great video, thanks.
Great video!! I just brought home my dad’s’77 cb400f super sport and can’t wait to dive in. Dad bought it brand new off the showroom floor so this is a keeper. Safe travels!
Your triumph is a great bike, your spot on with classics, I imported a z900 1976 from USA to England 3 years ago, just finished restoration and what satisfaction for all those hours of work, enjoyable but sometimes hard.
Like you said, fully bonded to her now. And so proud when you walk up to it.
Nice one, Honda 400/4 super sport would be my personal choice, it's the most popular Japanese classic here in the UK, a good owners club and parts still available....
Top video mate! Greetings from Australia. My first bike in the early seventies when I was 10 was a Beeza Bantam 125. I rode it round the yard and drove mum nuts. Had a few bikes since but nothing for a long time. This vid is making me itch for a classic simple bike just for coffee runs!
I have owned a number of classic bikes and loved them. Getting parts is more difficult. Luckily I can do the work myself because many shops won't even touch anything that old. If you really want a nice "classic" you can also consider a Kawasaki W650 or W800. These are fantastic and beautiful bikes that look very close to a '60's Bonneville, even more so than the new Triumphs. I love my W800 classic, it has all the looks and sound (360 degree firing parallel twin) and much better build quality.
I got an '80 kawasaki kz440 ltd and I love it
Also, all the great people you meet in the classic bikes world. Some really great people
I just discovered vintage motorcycles a few days ago and that's when I discovered your channel too. I'm learning so much and I'm addicted to this channel.
please read my comment above.
I've owned my 1985 Suzuki GV1200 19 years without any on the road problems. There is a bit more excitement riding a 37 year old bike.
Good point about how working on your stuff seems cool, but can end up being a chore. Sure I changed the headgasket on my first car, even did it in the drive way - I guess it was cool, but it would have been cooler not to have the car break down to begin with.
Great choice on the Triumph mate - Probably the greatest motorcycle ever forged by man B)
Great video, just about to put my 1980 Honda GL1100 on the road, it has been sitting for 24 years, had to do a lot but worth every penny, welcome back girl.
Yes!! Go for two Triumphs in the garage. For many years I had a TR6 and a T140 Bonneville. I was, of course, single at the time...
i ride a 81 cb750. worked at a bike shop for a while, any work i didn't do myself i did with the help of the more experienced guys. she's old, shes ugly, and she's a cold blooded bitch. she's got a new wiring harness i built, new premium keihin racing carbs i picked and tuned, a new ignition computer i installed. it was a hard process, lots of nights thinking i wasted money and i should just sell it on the cheap. she's not perfect now, and i no longer live with my parents with access to a garage and my tools, but she's come a long way. the bond you build working on your car or bike is amazing. i have so many plans and ideas, and i've only just scratched the surface of what's possible by getting her running. she's never broken down on me or given me issues. old guys love it cause it reminds them of being 17 again. kids love it cause it's loud. i love it cause it's mine
(the girls don't love it lmao)
Triumph Cars are great too, i;ve had a few and looking for another one all now, the TR6 is sweet.
Back in '78 I bought a '67 Triumph Bonneville, it needed a front stainless steel fender and a paint job. I found the fender at a swap meet and used rattle cans for the two tone paint job. In '95 I bought a '50 Triumph Thunderbird project and did a concourse restoration on it. It took me over five years to complete it. I won first place in my class at Mid-Ohio swap meet and bike show. I loved that motorcycle, it's the one I miss most. Back in '05 I bought a '39 Harley Knucklehead ( only 214 units made) one year only shift pattern (12N34) I love vintage bikes. Hears a link to view the '39.
Great content, this channel is the best. czcams.com/video/I4zC4fH1GCE/video.html
Very GOOD MY DEAR FRIEND!!! I’m 66 years old, I Now Drive A Classic MBZ , i had And RODE A 1974 CB 750 Honda! Wish I Still Had It Awesome Bike! ManyThanx My Buddy!
Maintaining and keeping old things becomes a bit of a lifestyle. I have an 3 classic bikes and a classic car, classic firearms, and an 80 year old home. The most high maintenance thing in my life is a 34 yr old girlfriend...
What a truthful video. Maintenance on a newer bike is can be daunting at times. I have a 2005 BMW GS 1200 and I do my own maintenance. I have 2 manuals and videos on DVD and allot of specialized tools.
I want a to get a bike from the 70's. I owned a Suzuki 500 2 stroke twin and a GT 750 triple when they were new but buying one now I be taking a chance on parts availability. My opinion is get a popular bike that has lots of part and enthusiastic owners available on the internet .
Also these old bike have limitations especially with breaks. Remember it's been 50 years of development with breaks, be cautious.
Above all have fun.
I love this video.
Best!!
A fun video, lots of familiar bikes from the 60's etc. Good pictures and very audible sound always make the video a lot better.
Great video. Seems like there's never been a better time to get into vintage bikes. Because of the internet, there's lots of places selling parts and tons of videos on CZcams that will teach you how to work on you bike, especially if you get a brand and model that's popular, like an old Honda CB. Just be warned, it can become a bit of an obsession. : )
In france we had moto terrot, peugeot and motocomfort.
Sadly they all either died or stopped building motorcycle most of them in the 1960s
They where all great and reliable especially terrot.
But sadly part are so sparse nowadays 😢 even if you can indeed buy a 125cc for 3000€ if something break you may not be able to repair it for some time.
I grew up on your definition of :"classic bikes". Back then I mostly rode the Southern California desert with some Lake Elsinore thrown in. We had mostly small displacement 2-stroke Yamaha's, Kawasaki's, and Suzuki's. They were known back then as "Enduro's" We also had two 250cc Spanish bikes, a 250 Ossa Pioneer, (my favorite) and a Bultaco Pursang. Now I have a 1985 Honda CB 650 Nighthawk. Since I do all my own work, I rebuilt all four carbs with richer jetting to get it to run right. (Thanks California Air Resources Board, for making it run crappy, all in the name of making less smog)
I really enjoy your content, thanks
BTW, you should mention some bikes have right-hand shift, which could be dangerous for those of us that learned on a bike with left-hand shift. I did a "flying w" on my Bultaco in the desert because of old ingrained habits
Nice video with some very sage advice👍
I remember in the 1970s, the Kwaka 750cc two stroke three cylinder was infamous for gas guzzling. The joke was that the 750 2 stroke Kwaka used so much fuel, that so much air rushed through the fuel tank air vent to replace the rapidly diminishing fuel, the air vent whistled! I have not seen one of these bikes on the road now for decades.
I bought a 50cc Simson S51 today. Its 43 years old and a big thing here in germany because with the old Simson bikes from the DDR (Cold War East Germany), you are legally allowed to go 60km/h with the smallest bike drivers license (for context you are only allowed to go 45km/h with other bikes with the same license). You often have to repair them, but shit, they are worth it.
So 5 months ago I took a deep dive into classic bikes I didn’t know Jack sh$$ about bikes I didn’t know how to tune a carburetor I bought myself 2 bikes in these past 5 months yeah I know yikes… a 1987 Suzuki, SP 125 and a 1988 Suzuki, SP 125 these bikes have taught me so much and the fun part is there’s nothing on the Internet about them i’m just a 16-year-old kid who is obsessed with 80s dual sports it’s possible if you put your mind to it and take your time never ever rush into a classic project it’s a time-consuming project more than a money one once you lose the passion for the project it’s over just keep going because at the end of the day seeing that bike look good and run good it’s all worth it 🙌
Got a 81’ seca 550 as my first bike. I had to learn to work on it to keep that thing running. Fast forward 6 years and I’m doing full tear down and rebuilds on these bikes. It’s so fun and surprising easy to learn.
Agree about Bring A Trailer. I recently won an auction for a 1983 Suzuki GS650G from Ultra Motor Source (look them up here on CZcams) and had it shipped cross country, all for a very reasonable price.
My dad has an 1977 rd400 in blue and it’s probably the most beautiful bike I’ve ever seen in person and online
NEW Riders, Buyers Beware! you're local dealer may NOT work on any motorcycle over 10 Years old. I live in Orange County CA, South of LA and have run Vintage Bike OC for 15 years, a monthly meet for motorcycles 30 years and older. The most popular question I get "DO YOU KNOW A MECHANIC?" Mechanics are getting older and fewer and farther apart. If you don't already know someone please be aware that it may be hard to find help. I own a 73 Honda CB750 and a 77 Kawasaki KZ1000 and I also disagree that bikes are "easier to work on than cars" Motorcycle have about 6 square inches of contact patch with the pavement. Every bolt should be critically torqued. In fact my Honda Owner's manual states to Check the torque on all bolts prior to EVERY ride. My KZ needed wheel bearings, and I didn't know it until I got into a speed wobble at 70 mph on a busy freeway. (Not a fun experience).
The wheel bearing job took me 8 hours with special bearing tools including a torch and about $70 in parts (including shipping). It was 8 hours of sweat hoping I was getting it all back together in the correct order.
From 20 years of riding and 200,000 miles of experience. For new riders I would recommend a bike that's relatively new. There is enough to learn about motorcycling without the concern of a vintage motorcycle. Look for something with electric start, electronic ignition, good brakes, fuel injection. Anyhow great video, good information. Just my $0.02 (2 cents)
Lots of good advice here. I rode many bikes that belonged to friends and acquaintances -- both road and dirtbikes -- but never owned one until I had made a friend in my late 20s who was all about classic MCs. He talked me into getting one so I kind of ran out and got one off Craigslist without first thinking through what kind would be best for me. I got a 1979 Yamaha XS1100. A great bike, no doubt, very powerful and mine was very reliable. It needed headlight wiring, which I had a mechanic do, and then a couple little things that I did myself and it was good to go.
But... it was just not the right bike for me. These bikes are really powerful and all I did was local street driving, living in Pasadena at the time. They don't really feel "balanced" until you're going 45mph or more on the freeway. I laid it down coming down the twisty hilly roads from Mt. Wilson because it was just so bulky and top heavy. I always felt like I was trying to conquer a beast rather than enjoy an extension of my body. I liked the bike but never really felt like the bike liked me, if that makes any sense.
Anyway, that was many years ago and now I'm looking to get another, more classic-style bike. I think a suburb-friendly, 500-650cc, two-seater like a Bonneville or CB500 would be just fine. I'm a dad and will be a weekend-warrior at best, so I need to keep it simple. I can do all the simple, external work, but won't be cracking open any engine blocks or anything like that. :)
Thanks Bart for helping me to sort this stuff out and really just for your straightforward approach to enjoying and sharing the world of motorcycles.
Any bike over 15 years old or 20,000mi means that you should know or learn how to:
Adjust and replace a chain
Remove the wheels yourself
Change sparkplugs
Clean carburetors
Replace lights
Do your own oil change
You don't have to be a full mechanic, but you'll do most of these basic things every year of use.
If none of that interests you...go buy a young or new MT07, CBR whatever, Ninja or MT09 and call it a day....otherwise you'll be unhappy or always waiting for the shop to get to your bike.
Sensible advices.
I think you captured very well, I mean, with good balance beetwin love and wisdom, everything that must be evaluated before one just purchase something by impulse and in the end does not get as satisfied as he (or she) thought they would be.
As much as there is indeed something, let's say, lyrical, or (and) romantic about owning a classic vehicle (especially if it's a motorcycle), there are also some practical aspects one ought to consider in order to not get frustrated during the experience of ownership.
Very good content, as usual.
All the best and peace from Brazil.✌
First bike I bought was a project VF750F. 5+years later still cant even give it away, due to it collector status was scrapped with the FUBAR fairing. This was the bike that made me exclusive air cooled bikes thereafter.
My first 70s Moto Guzzi commission, I bought few years later. Yes it runs and drives, and I love it.
Hobby is working on vintage, and its amazing how many projects/jobs I get offered I cant say no to.
My project: Suzuki GN400
Father/Son: '75 Sportster
Commission/queued :
-BMW R100RS Gold edition
-Norton Commando 850
-Honda CBX
-'71 Suzuki 125
Had a couple of old 1970 models. Like 1972 SL 350 . I’d love to have that again and a 1978 CB 750 super sport. Love to get my hands on those two again.
I still have my teenage dream bike (1971 CB750 Honda) sitting in my garage. It hasn't been run in years. I have always thought about having it restored. This video gives me the itch again.
working on my 81 Harley FLH Shovelhead right now. snapped clutch cable the other day. big headache lmao. not for the faint of heart, but real rewarding.
I've also gone coast to coast on a 1970 Honda CB450, and recently went from Cedar Rapids, Iowa to Cape Canaveral, Florida on a 77 Yamaha Xs750 triple. I love the old Hondas, very reliably, very easy to work on, and they were the cutting edge tech of the day, and can hang with most newer cruisers in terms of performance.
I got an old honda xl 185 (1979) for free by my neighbor i didn't really want it first but it was free so i had to take it. It didn't run and I'm still fixing it but i think i really gonna get it running. I have a guy who has worked basically his whole life on motorcycles and he is helping me with this journey. I got it like a month and a half ago and im 15 so there is lots to learn yet but my goal is to get it good running and make it looking good again. It was standing almost 30 years but it looks actually good for that time.
1978 350 Hondamatic. Great backroad mini tour bike. Screw shifting; just enjoyed the view. I aged out before it did.
I recently bought a 69 Triumph Tiger TR6 motorcycle from a ‘classic motorcycle dealer’ that was found in a horse stable in San Diego California. It actually runs perfect with no smoke, and starts on the first kick. They changed the oil and cleaned the carb. Why I love the bike is because it’s all original except for the seat. The paint is metallic red, tank and fenders, sun faded and a nice color. Chrome has allot of patina and wire looks good. Tires are old and hard, fork boots were cracked and open. I paid 9K for it and added 1K for new Dunlap tires and rebuilding the forks and new brake shoes with wheel bearings replaced. It’s still in line to be fixed, I hope to have it soon.This is my first motorcycle I’ve had since I was 22 years old, I’m 68 now. I’ve always wanted a Triumph after seeing the British Zombie movie “Psychomania” in the 70’s. 😅 my first real car was a 77 VW Rabbit. Over the years I always owned various VW’s, this has taught me to be a background mechanic, doing my own maintenance, changing motors, and doing electrical wiring on them. I watched videos on Triumph motorcycle maintenance and working on a points distributor and I’m sure I can ‘Tinker’ around with them (JK) 😂. I’ll definitely be able to fix the bike in an emergency, but just in case I got AAA motorcycle towing option. I’m not intimidated by repairing this machine, I’ll enjoy cruising around on it and feeling the nice cool California breeze on my face very soon. 😊
When a bike comes from the "Manufacturer" it is in a state of tune for "Reliability" if you want to make you bike faster then Aftermarket is the way to go, not shit from China but proper gear built by proper tuning houses, but this will take the reliability down a long way, there is some excellent stuff out there that will not damage your bike in any way as long as you adjust your maintenance times if you do want to Mod your bike keep all the stuff you have taken off & refit it before you sell.
I've loved motorcycles since I was 8
Im.almost 70 now. Still in love.
Classic Bikes are simply beautiful as the video describes. I build Cafe Racers and Brats based on old Hondas from the late 60's to 1980. The author describes these bikes as well engineered, simple and reliable and I couldn't agree more. My personal street bike is a 1971 Honda CB500 which is virtually stock with some modern upgrades to improve reliability on this 54 year old masterpiece of engineering. I would ride this little beast across the country with complete confidence.When I build a custom bike it is from basically bits, not from a nice original example as I would always just restore that to as new condition. Building an old bike from scratch is very rewarding but very time consuming and is not the way to go if you have a busy life with many commitments. The young guys I have, on occasion, to help with the builds are enthusiasts of the classic era and simply want to learn and build their own classic. This is rewarding in itself for me and for them. The reality is that the classic is fun, great for short rides and romantic evening tours, but it is not the best choice for everyday commutes. Ever helper I've had also owns a modern bike for just those reasons and the fact that as they get older responsibilities like marriage, a family and everyday work life limit their time and enthusiasm. Be careful when you choose a classic bike and as the author of the video stresses, know what you want from your purchase and be realistic in the time you are willing to spend on maintaining the classic or having it maintained.
It was very interesting to hear your thoughts, and well put together video! 👍☺️
I only saw the blue Honda CB like in the thumbnail once in my life. It was in the middle of nowhere near Mt Kerinci, Indonesia.
It's in pristine condition. Very handsome. Let's just say I spent too much time admiring it.
I have a couple of Triumph t120's and love then but I did have a wry smile at 3:10 when I saw the oil tray under your Triumph!
As the owner of two Triumph Tiger 800 (2011 and 2016), my preferred bike would be a Triumph X75 Hurricane from 1973. That bike was actually designed in the US by a guy named Craig Vetter, if I am not mistaken. Second would a Benelli 750 Sei, a wonderful awesome-sounding Italian 6-cylinder machine. Third would be the bike I had when I was a teenager: a 125 cc Kreidler.
Another great video Bro! Love my 72 Honda CB450! When I was 12, I helped my dad rebuild a 1969 harley sportster basket case! N got my Son a 1969 honda 125A!
I have a 1973 Yamaha AT3 I got from my dad. It was his old bike as a kid. Hasnt run in 20 years, the tank filled with varnish and rusted out (Took us 3 years of searching and close to $500 to find a good new tank). She also needs new fork seals, a new gauge bracket, new tires, a brake job, new turn signals, and a fuction check on the oil injector.
Im used to working on cars, where I have to moonlight as a contortionist to get the alternator out of my Prelude for example. So this should be rewarding and less of a headache. Key word being should
Hopefully we can get it running again soon. Wish us luck
The mention of owning a trailer for an older bike. I remember in the 1980s, Harley owners were known for also owning a pick up truck to recover the bike for when the bike broke down. It was a well known thing in the bike world.
Love the channel and great advice
When I was 10 years old and blew up my Briggs & Stratton mini bike in 1966 I told my dad he needs to take it to the shop. He said you ride it you fix it. I moved on to racing dirt bikes and street bikes and have never taken one to the shop. Thanks dad!
Amazing video and great commentary, I feel exactly as you do in every aspect of classics, I had a Triumph TR6 Scrambler and just couldn't get used to the opposite side gear lever as we all grew up with left side gear shift from when we had mini bikes as far back as the seventies, I remember trying to avoid a traffic incident and brake on the gear lever, yikes!
I’m 70 years old and I learned to ride on a 1972 Norton Commando 750 which had a right side shifter. I also had a 1973 Sportster which also had a right side shifter. 😊 So many Asian bikes were being sold in America, they made all the bike manufacturers switch to the left side shifter.
I have a 1970 Honda SL350 Motosport I Frankinsteined it has 750 front disk double piston caliper Akront rims 2 into 1 low exhaust Yoshimuira now it is around 300lbs with over 30hp I have gone over 100. I would like to change to one carb for reliability. So I won't need to balance the carbs. I melted a piston one time. P.S. The SL has a longer rake better high speed stability, larger valves. I also added 1inch of travel with 1980s Honda 650 shocks air assist in front. Blue metal microflake with winged H. My dream bike took me 10 years mostly from parts I got from the first and oldest Dealer,junkyard nextdoor An old gentleman who knew the history was very helpful. I had A stock 69SL I sold it to A Japanese couple for 300.My mom said get it out.I am now 65 I love my Frankenstein!!! Every time I look at it I know it's one of a kind I did dat.
70s charm with 80s improvements