There are two classes of language. I don't mean English, Spanish, Chinese etc. All those languages go into one category, then all the same ones go into another category. Those category are the language of the fallen/satanic and the language of the perfect/heavenly. So one word often has two meanings depending on which of these two points of views these words are being used. This relates to what Jonathan was saying about the suffering of Jesus and his acceptance of being put in the lowest position for our sake yet it later being revealed to by the most holy. An example of what I mean by the two languages would be when the word/concept of 'servant' is used in a fallen/satanic mindset, this refers to a person who is below or under or lesser. But when the word/concept of 'servant' is used with a perfect/holy mindset, it is referring to the being who is higher and greater. This is why Jesus said he came to serve and why he washed the feet of the disciples and exhorted them to do likewise. When we think about it, the parental, nurturing soul takes the low and even servant position gladly and from love. In a satanic mindset, the weaker/junior obey and serve the strong and the strong receive all and give nothing. This is the case in despotic societies or mafia like groups. But in a heavenly mindset, the strong/senior serve and nurture the weak/junior and the junior respect and allow themselves to be guided by the stronger/senior. We see this in the way adult parents serve their little children from love. They even wipe excrement from them daily and with care and love and without being commanded or coerced. In turn, the children respect and follow/obey their parents. We see the same with the teacher-student relationship. The teacher serves the children and the children listen to and obey the teachers. We even see this with the human/owner-pet relationship. The dog obeys the master but who is serving who? The master cleans after the dog, works to earn money to feed and house the dog and even pic up the dog's waste. In a satanic mindset, the object both serves and obeys the subject. The satantic subject receives all and the object receives nothing. But in a heavenly mindset, the object respects and follows the guidance of the subject but the subject loves and serves the object. The heavenly object receives love and nurturing so they may grow and the heavenly subject receives a parental satisfaction of joy from seeing their love manifest in beauty within the object as the object develops in a wholesome way as a result of the care they have received. This is why many words have two and sometimes opposing meanings. Satan and the satanic, fallen mind can not conceive of the joy of serving but the heavenly heart is the heart of a parent and the heart of a parent is a nurturing, servant's heart. Jesus was always a servant and as he himself said, there is no greater love than to sacrifice ones life for the other. It was just fallen hearts at that time and even some today that fail to see the holiness of serving.
I can't help but call to mind the way the Eucharist is everywhere in Scripture. Really everywhere. It really is the source and summit of Christian life.
@@RunninUpThatHillh This isn't exactly what you are asking for, but I suggest a thematic approach to begin with. You could start with something like Fr. Mike Schmitz's podcast Bible In a Year to get familiar with broad outlines. Then move to deeper stuff like Lord of Spirits podcast. Best of all, start attending a Church that follows a liturgical calendar (if you aren't already) like Catholic or Orthodox. Scripture has a way of unfolding in layers rather than a linear format like a text book. Because our worldview is so far from the worldview out of which Scripture comes, we have to work a little harder and be a little more patient. Christ's peace!
7:45 I have been really intrigued by this idea of the fringe or the outcast being redeemed and becoming the center...that's a pattern all through the Bible. David is an example of this. John the Forerunner. Esau. Samson. It's those characters who were described as "ruddy" or "red". This ties in with the four women who were mentioned in Christ's genealogy as well. Gentiles being redeemed, and playing a central role in the spreading of the Gospel. It's all so beautiful.
Jonathan, have you thought of systematizing your insights on scripture and creating a ‘Symbolic World Bible Commentary’? What with the reach of your blog, the cross pollination with JP and the others you mentioned, this might be a paradigm altering work which could be a real touchstone for many people. Within it you could certainly cite the Fathers or recent and contemporary writers and thinkers, but the ability to distill all that down is what makes your contribution so unique and timely.
Im sitting at home, clapping while I am watching this because I am so excited that its making me want to pick up my Bible again. My Protestant background drilled in me to read my Bible everyday, but I barely could understand it, and even when I did, it was a literal interpretation which was pretty boring. But now I want to read my Bible again and see it a completely new, mind blowing way!
"Anthropologists have often described what happens to a primitive society when its spiritual values are exposed to the impact of modern civilization. Its people lose the meaning of their lives, their social organization disintegrates, and they themselves morally decay. We are now in the same condition. But we have never really understood what we have lost, for our spiritual leaders unfortunately were more interested in protecting their institutions than in understanding the mystery that symbols present." ~ Carl G. Jung
I appreciate your humility in having these conversations. Not to take anything away from this guy, but this is on the other end of the spectrum compared to some of your other conversations. The fact that you are patient with the ones (like me) who are interested/curious, etc (but may not be remotely close to your level of thinking) says a lot about your character. 🙏
It’s very digestible isn’t it. It almost makes me not blame others who shame Christian’s because they really do act like they are better than the next person which directly counteracts what we’re taught in scripture
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 just gives new meaning every time I read it ;) 11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
man, there's a clip i've been searching for from jon forever, where he says something like "the bible is the best and first book to understand reality, and I've tried looking for other books but the bible does it best" and "in all of history, the bible has the greatest explanations." I'm certainly butchering what he actually said, but considering that I cannot find the clip despite listening to all of most of his talks again, this video and my memory is the closest i'll get.
I'd say that the Tao Te Ching is pretty on the mark. There's a clarity, cleanliness and kind of purity to it, but that could also been seen as sterility. The Bible maps out the whole picture in a kind of messy way at first glance but that all ties together at a different resolution.
@@joer9156 i think, contextually, jp was referring to how the narrative structure and symbolic density of the bible is much greater than any alternatives. some definitely come close, tho
@@RunninUpThatHillh read his brothers book The Language of Creation! mind blowing book and has really helped me understand what i’m reading in the bible
I have an archive of all the subtitles from all of Jonathan's videos on my home computer. I will see if I can help you with your quest when I get home this evening.
For me, going deeper into the world of Scripture in the way that Jonathan and guest spoke, showed me why nothing else worked out. Scripture was the map that I didn't know I needed to make sense of many ideas and events. May God illumine 🙏🏾
La croix decrit dans Arbor vitae de Ubertin de Casale au12 eme siecle entrevoit la croix comme arbre de vie , ses racines étant L' Ancien Testament. le tronc l' Evangille et ainsi de suite, tres interessant cette écange.
Have some interviews with Dr Robert Pryce and Dr Bert Ehrman, and let them explain some heavy alterings, faults and mistranslations of the bible. Also, the orthodox christians favourite book, Revelations, is my many heavy non polarised experts just a work of an more or less insane person, not the apostle John, and wasn't really supposed to be in the canon at all.
Their videos are pretty good but I’ve been a little put off by some videos where they put a little too much emphasis on social justice and related stuff, like they do a little summary and they mention or put emphasis on a progressive talking point. It hard not to hear it. Even some of the drawings in some of the videos the emphasis on the ethnicity of the people seem a little forced.
There are two classes of language.
I don't mean English, Spanish, Chinese etc. All those languages go into one category, then all the same ones go into another category.
Those category are the language of the fallen/satanic and the language of the perfect/heavenly.
So one word often has two meanings depending on which of these two points of views these words are being used.
This relates to what Jonathan was saying about the suffering of Jesus and his acceptance of being put in the lowest position for our sake yet it later being revealed to by the most holy.
An example of what I mean by the two languages would be when the word/concept of 'servant' is used in a fallen/satanic mindset, this refers to a person who is below or under or lesser. But when the word/concept of 'servant' is used with a perfect/holy mindset, it is referring to the being who is higher and greater. This is why Jesus said he came to serve and why he washed the feet of the disciples and exhorted them to do likewise.
When we think about it, the parental, nurturing soul takes the low and even servant position gladly and from love.
In a satanic mindset, the weaker/junior obey and serve the strong and the strong receive all and give nothing. This is the case in despotic societies or mafia like groups.
But in a heavenly mindset, the strong/senior serve and nurture the weak/junior and the junior respect and allow themselves to be guided by the stronger/senior. We see this in the way adult parents serve their little children from love. They even wipe excrement from them daily and with care and love and without being commanded or coerced. In turn, the children respect and follow/obey their parents. We see the same with the teacher-student relationship. The teacher serves the children and the children listen to and obey the teachers. We even see this with the human/owner-pet relationship. The dog obeys the master but who is serving who? The master cleans after the dog, works to earn money to feed and house the dog and even pic up the dog's waste.
In a satanic mindset, the object both serves and obeys the subject. The satantic subject receives all and the object receives nothing. But in a heavenly mindset, the object respects and follows the guidance of the subject but the subject loves and serves the object. The heavenly object receives love and nurturing so they may grow and the heavenly subject receives a parental satisfaction of joy from seeing their love manifest in beauty within the object as the object develops in a wholesome way as a result of the care they have received.
This is why many words have two and sometimes opposing meanings.
Satan and the satanic, fallen mind can not conceive of the joy of serving but the heavenly heart is the heart of a parent and the heart of a parent is a nurturing, servant's heart.
Jesus was always a servant and as he himself said, there is no greater love than to sacrifice ones life for the other. It was just fallen hearts at that time and even some today that fail to see the holiness of serving.
Thank you for your very helpful comment. I'll try to apply what you said about two "languages" with other terms. God bless you 🙏🏾
Hey, I'm glad you clipped this section of our conversation. It was a pleasant conversational surprise.
I can't help but call to mind the way the Eucharist is everywhere in Scripture. Really everywhere. It really is the source and summit of Christian life.
Can you suggest a Bible to begin with?
@@RunninUpThatHillh New American Bible Revised Edition is a good one that’s easy to read.
@@RunninUpThatHillh Orthodox Study Bible
I will see about getting both today. Thank you so much!
@@RunninUpThatHillh This isn't exactly what you are asking for, but I suggest a thematic approach to begin with. You could start with something like Fr. Mike Schmitz's podcast Bible In a Year to get familiar with broad outlines. Then move to deeper stuff like Lord of Spirits podcast. Best of all, start attending a Church that follows a liturgical calendar (if you aren't already) like Catholic or Orthodox. Scripture has a way of unfolding in layers rather than a linear format like a text book. Because our worldview is so far from the worldview out of which Scripture comes, we have to work a little harder and be a little more patient. Christ's peace!
Sarcasm-the mocker…if it undoes meaning, then it makes sense that wisdom (Proverbs) drives out mockers.
7:45 I have been really intrigued by this idea of the fringe or the outcast being redeemed and becoming the center...that's a pattern all through the Bible. David is an example of this. John the Forerunner. Esau. Samson. It's those characters who were described as "ruddy" or "red". This ties in with the four women who were mentioned in Christ's genealogy as well. Gentiles being redeemed, and playing a central role in the spreading of the Gospel. It's all so beautiful.
Jonathan, have you thought of systematizing your insights on scripture and creating a ‘Symbolic World Bible Commentary’? What with the reach of your blog, the cross pollination with JP and the others you mentioned, this might be a paradigm altering work which could be a real touchstone for many people. Within it you could certainly cite the Fathers or recent and contemporary writers and thinkers, but the ability to distill all that down is what makes your contribution so unique and timely.
Im sitting at home, clapping while I am watching this because I am so excited that its making me want to pick up my Bible again. My Protestant background drilled in me to read my Bible everyday, but I barely could understand it, and even when I did, it was a literal interpretation which was pretty boring. But now I want to read my Bible again and see it a completely new, mind blowing way!
I wish they had brought up examples of what they found mysterious but were later able to understand. They talked in generalities the whole time
"Anthropologists have often described what happens to a primitive society when its spiritual values are exposed to the impact of modern civilization. Its people lose the meaning of their lives, their social organization disintegrates, and they themselves morally decay.
We are now in the same condition. But we have never really understood what we have lost, for our spiritual leaders unfortunately were more interested in protecting their institutions than in understanding the mystery that symbols present."
~ Carl G. Jung
God bless
I appreciate your humility in having these conversations. Not to take anything away from this guy, but this is on the other end of the spectrum compared to some of your other conversations. The fact that you are patient with the ones (like me) who are interested/curious, etc (but may not be remotely close to your level of thinking) says a lot about your character. 🙏
It’s very digestible isn’t it. It almost makes me not blame others who shame Christian’s because they really do act like they are better than the next person which directly counteracts what we’re taught in scripture
I’m just beginning and In genesis alone there’s an innumerable amount of meaning
The Bible can be read as a story, which gets refined with each reading.
Seems as if the story sort of comes together the further you participate
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 just gives new meaning every time I read it ;)
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
man, there's a clip i've been searching for from jon forever, where he says something like "the bible is the best and first book to understand reality, and I've tried looking for other books but the bible does it best" and "in all of history, the bible has the greatest explanations." I'm certainly butchering what he actually said, but considering that I cannot find the clip despite listening to all of most of his talks again, this video and my memory is the closest i'll get.
I'd say that the Tao Te Ching is pretty on the mark. There's a clarity, cleanliness and kind of purity to it, but that could also been seen as sterility. The Bible maps out the whole picture in a kind of messy way at first glance but that all ties together at a different resolution.
@@joer9156 i think, contextually, jp was referring to how the narrative structure and symbolic density of the bible is much greater than any alternatives. some definitely come close, tho
I envy anyone who can read the Bible. I've had a really hard time with it.
@@RunninUpThatHillh read his brothers book The Language of Creation! mind blowing book and has really helped me understand what i’m reading in the bible
I have an archive of all the subtitles from all of Jonathan's videos on my home computer. I will see if I can help you with your quest when I get home this evening.
do you recommend the nrsv with apocrypha for a beginners first read?
Having a hard time understanding the mentioned books @ 4:22 can somebody help?
... Please!
Where to begin?
How do I know if I've become a believer on default since nothing else has worked out???
For me, going deeper into the world of Scripture in the way that Jonathan and guest spoke, showed me why nothing else worked out. Scripture was the map that I didn't know I needed to make sense of many ideas and events. May God illumine 🙏🏾
La croix decrit dans Arbor vitae de Ubertin de Casale au12 eme siecle entrevoit la croix comme arbre de vie , ses racines étant L' Ancien Testament. le tronc l' Evangille et ainsi de suite, tres interessant cette écange.
Have some interviews with Dr Robert Pryce and Dr Bert Ehrman, and let them explain some heavy alterings, faults and mistranslations of the bible. Also, the orthodox christians favourite book, Revelations, is my many heavy non polarised experts just a work of an more or less insane person, not the apostle John, and wasn't really supposed to be in the canon at all.
if you liked this video you should check out a channel called "the bible project" great podacst too.
Their videos are pretty good but I’ve been a little put off by some videos where they put a little too much emphasis on social justice and related stuff, like they do a little summary and they mention or put emphasis on a progressive talking point. It hard not to hear it. Even some of the drawings in some of the videos the emphasis on the ethnicity of the people seem a little forced.