The type of work they're talking about here is what occurred here in Australia, when the Regional Rail Link in Melbourne's west, plus both the Goodwood Junction and Torrens Junction Rail Underpass, Adelaide, projects were done between 2009/10 and 2916/17. As an Australian man and Railway Enthusiast here in Melbourne, I understand why the project in Los Angeles' Foothills area is taking so long. I wish Los Angeles good fortune here.
Craig F. Thompson IDK. The vagrants and transients of the homeless population prefer the beach cities over hill towns of San Bernardino. But it doesn’t matter. Their instincts have failed because they’re not safe to living in the changing climate. It’s used to be the heat that is the sole danger in Southern California. But now it’s both the scorching hot and spine-stabbing cold that are dangerous.
@@thestoneytimes9079 It’s now the K [pink] Line when it's going to tie into the C [Green] Line. IDK about the thinking about the new designations with the unique colors but I think like a Bostonian and a New Yorker when it comes to transit planning. So if I were redoing the nomenclature of the L.A. Metrorail, I would have it like this: Blue Line, A Train & E Train; Red Line, B Train, D Train, & E Rapid Transit Bus; Green Line, C Train, K Train, & L Train; & Silver Line F Rapid Transit Bus
The lightly used BNSF freight line could accommodate self powered (RDG) commuter rail cars either single or multiple cars to provide rail service from San Bernardino to the APU Citrus station. This would be a very cheap effective way to have rail service until the Gold Line is completed. The alternative to this would be a dedicated shuttle going from the Covina Metrolink station to the APU Citrus station which would give riders from the IE access to the SGV cities.
I remember growing up in Long Beach and seeing the UP grade separation advertising jingles, "We route freight up here, to keep your highway clear." I will you would just grade separate the whole thing.
I am an advocate for public transportation but I think that improving metro link would be more practical. It’s significantly faster and needs improvements. The Light Rail doesn’t make sense this far out of town as it’s just too slow.
Meanwhile at the other side of the world in a third world country they are making and 22.8km (14 miles) of elevated light rail and they started making it in 2016 and will be finished in 2019. This railway is only 12 km but it will take 9 years to complete wth!!! in the Philippines they are now making their first subway transit system 25km (16miles) starting this December and will be finished in 2025.
Third world countries don’t have to do all the environmental crap. LA is still very car focused and putting money on Light rail isn’t that popular compared to upgrading freeways. As seen in the video they got to relocate tracks with causing any disruption to live services.
Eventually. When the construction began the L Line (Gold) extension from Pasadena to Azusa, the construction only lasted for 5 years, with an extra 1/2 year for the rail testing.
The overhead illustration of the relocation of the existing tracks has the Metrolink passenger locomotive cars bend around the curves! Even the trains in the vanilla Cities Skylines game ca. 2015 behaved better than that.
The REAL reason LRT cannot share track with Metrolink and freight trains is safety. LRT trains could be crushed by a freight train if they collided. This is a matter of federal safety regulations.
Think the main reason is the diesel exhaust from freight and metrolink would coat the overhead wires with soot; that would cause poor electrical connections with the overhead wires and possibly even fire hazards!
@@danielbenedict8818 This is absoulutely wrong, in Europe we have a lot of diesel trains on electric tracks and even steam trains. The next electric train just scratches the soot with his pantograph away. The trains run even on iced wires with big sparkles and flashes.
What also often is a problem is that light rails often use a different system of switches and rails and mixing would lead to derailing. Also american freight trains could be to high to fit under the cantenary.
@@matthewalvis9729 It's actually not a different gauge of rail... the light rale and the freights/metrolink are all standard gauge. There's even a line in the vide where they talk about how the shoefly in the Claremont station will be build for the diesel trains to bypass the construction site before later becoming part of the light rail system.
@@theghostofmrcow1985 , actually, it will be the A Line, with the A pictured in a blue circle, and a blue line on the transit map. But the A Line will be the official name of the line by the time it opens.
@@theghostofmrcow1985, I agree with you, but the problem is, they have run out of colors. The Crenshaw LAX Line is olive green on the maps, and there would be a likely be a lot of confusion between the Green Line and the Olive Green line, with a lot of people not able to tell the difference between the two colors. The same could have happened with the Expo Line (aqua color on maps, with the possibility of people confusing the aqua with the blue in the A Line (Blue).
The San Gabriel Valley is always underserved by LA County and the MTA cronies. If you don't believe me, take a look at the MTA map and you will see why. The 210, 10 and 60 are always congested but we only get one rail system to serve the entire east side. There is no service going from north to south. The LA river is a great venue to place a rail line but nothing is there. If MTA is doing it right, there should be a rail line connecting the gold line to the green line via the LA river. The people of the east side are short changed by Measure M.
Just wait until the homeless start making camp in your town. Don't think that they won't come. Free to ride, no enforcement and new areas to make a new place to live.
Besides bringing frequent LRT to Claremont, the new extension will make transit from places like Pasadena to San Bernardino county sites much faster and convenient.
When the last Gold line extension went over budget they invented something called a "cost update" and claimed it didn't go over budget. This Phase 2 extension was first estimated to cost only 400 million now it's over 1.5 billion and we'll go higher.
They added more money because they will demolish Claremont And Montclair stations including the transit center with a huge remodel and add tracks for the gold line rail.
In 2025, the extension will be operated by the Metro A Line because the L Line (Gold Line) is gone since the opening of Downtown LA’s Regional Connector in mid-June 2023
Metro will postpone the opening date at any moment. For example, LA Metro said they would open the extension to Wilshire / La Cienega in 2023, but they postponed it to 2024 and then 2025.
Robbi496. On a nearby parallel right of way, they did. Part of the Metrolink uses the old P.E. right of way from L.A. to Claremont. The P.E. right of way from Claremont to San Bernadino is either gone or a trail.
Why 9 years? Is that the best you can do? It’s like pulling teeth! There’s no mention in this video of any integration with local land use planning to develop synergy with this major public investment. Has the Authority made any effort to work with each local government to maximize opportunities to promote high ridership and address climate change? Past Metro projects don’t feature much of anything where land use policies are concerned. This is not necessarily the failing of the Authority alone but it would be a major missed opportunity to reshape our region for the 21st century.
Metrolink runs from L.A. to San Bernardino while L Line (Gold) runs from East L.A. (will soon be Long Beach once the RC opens to service) to Montclair. My prediction on Metrolink ridership will barely decrease west of Montclair, while ridership east of Montclair will boost.
Montclair (and a couple other stations) to Union Station will be possible on both systems. The duplication is odd. I imagine Metrolink will be faster, though, but this will be cheaper to ride.
Fourteen years to complete an E.A.S, incredible!!!! Image the fraud, corruption and nepotism involved. Coupled with nine years of construction work to complete. Having worked in government can image the bureaucracy, red tape, fraud at work. The a joke is, it takes Fifty people to screw a light bulb and 200 more employees to watch them do it. Image if your son told you, it would take him 12 years to complete my degree that should have taken four years. Regarding building why not built the far right track independently, removed the secondary track in lieu of zigzagging and creating redundancies. Subcontracting the project to the Japanese would have taken, three years and cost ten times less. Japan has a history of rail and advance technology. Image if a student had to grade his or her own paper.
The crazies, weirdos and freeloaders on the Hobo Highway, made me dump the train for my car. It will cost me more time and frustration, but at least I will be safe. Riders need to take care of their own safety. No one polices this system. Ride this only a few times and you will see. Anyone can get on and no watches.
Pigjubby have you ever rode Metrolink? I rode Metrolinks Antelope Valley Line, on the Metrolink Antelope Valley Line there are Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputies that check all ticketed Metrolink passengers. The San Diego Trolley has Transit police on the trolley checking for ticketed passengers. You love be stuck in traffic on the parking lots such as the 405 parking lot, the San Bernardino Parking lot.
Metrolink and Metro Rail are two separate things. Anyone can, and does, jump on the Metro Rail, i.e. Gold Line, Red Line, Blue Line, etc. Homeless, crazies and weirdos. Scabies on seats. I'll pass. Good idea decades ago. Homeless encampment shuttle is all the Metro Rail is.
I can understand that for the Blue line, but everything else is *much* safer. In January 2017, Metro has added a new hotline for mugging, harassment, assault, or other means of concern. It's extremely effective and immediate. For example, I was taking the Expo Line from Santa Monica to 7th St. in Downtown. At Crenshaw, a horrendously smelly homeless man came onto my train car. He was clearly mentally ill, and obviously didn't pay. Immediately after the doors closed, all you could smell was urine and vomit. I quickly texted Metro's hotline, saying the problem and what car i'm in,and they assured me he would be escorted off at the next station. Sure enough, at the next stop, there were two security guys escorting him off the train. Metro is in the middle of an extreme makeover, that started in 2010. By 2030, it will be a drastically new (and better) riding experience for Los Angeles public transport.
Imagine downtown like Stalag 13 in the movie, The Great Escape. A camp full of crazies, homeless and druggies. Except, the tunnels used to escape the camp are replaced by tunnels made by the MTA, and there are many tunnels, and they have the ability to move hundreds at a time and the camp people can use it for free, as no one checks for entry. Imagine if you will. Hey, imagine no more. Ride the Gold Line and experience it in person.
The type of work they're talking about here is what occurred here in Australia, when the Regional Rail Link in Melbourne's west, plus both the Goodwood Junction and Torrens Junction Rail Underpass, Adelaide, projects were done between 2009/10 and 2916/17. As an Australian man and Railway Enthusiast here in Melbourne, I understand why the project in Los Angeles' Foothills area is taking so long. I wish Los Angeles good fortune here.
Great video. I appreciate the level of detail in all of your videos, Thank you.
This is the reason i'm trying to move to the Foothills. Love the train.
So are the homeless....
Craig F. Thompson
IDK. The vagrants and transients of the homeless population prefer the beach cities over hill towns of San Bernardino. But it doesn’t matter. Their instincts have failed because they’re not safe to living in the changing climate. It’s used to be the heat that is the sole danger in Southern California. But now it’s both the scorching hot and spine-stabbing cold that are dangerous.
Nice strategic planning ahead from the engineers 😀 👍
what Los Angeles needs is a circular line that goes around Los Angeles, and airport to airport
I think the Crenshaw line is a first step
@@thestoneytimes9079 It’s now the K [pink] Line when it's going to tie into the C [Green] Line. IDK about the thinking about the new designations with the unique colors but I think like a Bostonian and a New Yorker when it comes to transit planning. So if I were redoing the nomenclature of the L.A. Metrorail, I would have it like this: Blue Line, A Train & E Train; Red Line, B Train, D Train, & E Rapid Transit Bus; Green Line, C Train, K Train, & L Train; & Silver Line F Rapid Transit Bus
The lightly used BNSF freight line could accommodate self powered (RDG) commuter rail cars either single or multiple cars to provide rail service from San Bernardino to the APU Citrus station.
This would be a very cheap effective way to have rail service until the Gold Line is completed.
The alternative to this would be a dedicated shuttle going from the Covina Metrolink station to the APU Citrus station which would give riders from the IE access to the SGV cities.
191895 Sure, but that mean less contracts and fewer ground breakings for politicians to attend!
I remember growing up in Long Beach and seeing the UP grade separation advertising jingles, "We route freight up here, to keep your highway clear." I will you would just grade separate the whole thing.
I am an advocate for public transportation but I think that improving metro link would be more practical. It’s significantly faster and needs improvements. The Light Rail doesn’t make sense this far out of town as it’s just too slow.
Can't wait
Meanwhile at the other side of the world in a third world country they are making and 22.8km (14 miles) of elevated light rail and they started making it in 2016 and will be finished in 2019. This railway is only 12 km but it will take 9 years to complete wth!!! in the Philippines they are now making their first subway transit system 25km (16miles) starting this December and will be finished in 2025.
Third world countries don’t have to do all the environmental crap. LA is still very car focused and putting money on Light rail isn’t that popular compared to upgrading freeways. As seen in the video they got to relocate tracks with causing any disruption to live services.
NINE YEARS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eventually. When the construction began the L Line (Gold) extension from Pasadena to Azusa, the construction only lasted for 5 years, with an extra 1/2 year for the rail testing.
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If they get federal funding in addition to Measure M, construction could speed up.
no main construction is 6 years. the additional years are for relocating stuff. but still... 9 YEARS?!?
@@AshmewStudios Because it's California.. that's why. 😗☕
The overhead illustration of the relocation of the existing tracks has the Metrolink passenger locomotive cars bend around the curves! Even the trains in the vanilla Cities Skylines game ca. 2015 behaved better than that.
Do you think they need those graphics to illustrate a point?
Great Work
The REAL reason LRT cannot share track with Metrolink and freight trains is safety. LRT trains could be crushed by a freight train if they collided. This is a matter of federal safety regulations.
Think the main reason is the diesel exhaust from freight and metrolink would coat the overhead wires with soot; that would cause poor electrical connections with the overhead wires and possibly even fire hazards!
@@danielbenedict8818 This is absoulutely wrong, in Europe we have a lot of diesel trains on electric tracks and even steam trains. The next electric train just scratches the soot with his pantograph away. The trains run even on iced wires with big sparkles and flashes.
What also often is a problem is that light rails often use a different system of switches and rails and mixing would lead to derailing. Also american freight trains could be to high to fit under the cantenary.
@@matthewalvis9729 It's actually not a different gauge of rail... the light rale and the freights/metrolink are all standard gauge. There's even a line in the vide where they talk about how the shoefly in the Claremont station will be build for the diesel trains to bypass the construction site before later becoming part of the light rail system.
if double stacked intermodal containers are used (they might not be, im not sure) they would collide with the overhead wires.
I would like to see it go further. First to the Ontario Mills mall and then on to the Ontario Airport.
It won't be the gold line anymore. It would be the blue line. Just imagine Ontario Airport/Ontario mills to long Beach.
@@theghostofmrcow1985 , actually, it will be the A Line, with the A pictured in a blue circle, and a blue line on the transit map. But the A Line will be the official name of the line by the time it opens.
@@JEFFK1963 i still called it the blue line. The letter system makes no sense. Alot of people prefer the colors.
@@theghostofmrcow1985, I agree with you, but the problem is, they have run out of colors. The Crenshaw LAX Line is olive green on the maps, and there would be a likely be a lot of confusion between the Green Line and the Olive Green line, with a lot of people not able to tell the difference between the two colors. The same could have happened with the Expo Line (aqua color on maps, with the possibility of people confusing the aqua with the blue in the A Line (Blue).
We are excited to see the continued improvement and extension of the Gold Line light rail services.
Once when the Regional Connector opens, this portion of the route will become part of A Line (Blue) extension.
@Craig F. Thompson I meant to be sadly that it'll rename to Blue line but I'm happy that The blue line will be extended
@Craig F. Thompson true and Also it will be weird because some blue line stations are dirty like Washington and Slauson traveling to Azusa
Just in time for me to move to the area!!! AWESOME!!!
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This is Actully The Blue Line as buy the time it opens this will Be part of the Blue Line and Not the Gold Line
True. When finished, this train will go from Montclair all the way to Long Beach.
That's correct. In fact, it will be superior that the A Line (Blue) will become one of the the largest light rail lines in the world.
@@TheVideoEditorGuy6579 That's white.
Actually, it won't be the Blue Line either, it will be the "A" Line, although it will be blue on the transit map and the "A" will be in a blue circle.
Very complicated and expensive but worth it. Video was very informative.
The San Gabriel Valley is always underserved by LA County and the MTA cronies. If you don't believe me, take a look at the MTA map and you will see why. The 210, 10 and 60 are always congested but we only get one rail system to serve the entire east side. There is no service going from north to south. The LA river is a great venue to place a rail line but nothing is there. If MTA is doing it right, there should be a rail line connecting the gold line to the green line via the LA river. The people of the east side are short changed by Measure M.
Just wait until the homeless start making camp in your town. Don't think that they won't come. Free to ride, no enforcement and new areas to make a new place to live.
I noticed that too. The gold line is the only metro rail that goes to San Gabriel Valley.
Besides bringing frequent LRT to Claremont, the new extension will make transit from places like Pasadena to San Bernardino county sites much faster and convenient.
When the last Gold line extension went over budget they invented something called a "cost update" and claimed it didn't go over budget. This Phase 2 extension was first estimated to cost only 400 million now it's over 1.5 billion and we'll go higher.
They added more money because they will demolish Claremont And Montclair stations including the transit center with a huge remodel and add tracks for the gold line rail.
@@TheVideoEditorGuy6579 the point is that the cost will increase from the price they are giving now. Phase 2a cost more than was initially advertised.
@Craig F. Thompson well I guess that makes it okay.
In 2025, the extension will be operated by the Metro A Line because the L Line (Gold Line) is gone since the opening of Downtown LA’s Regional Connector in mid-June 2023
Metro will postpone the opening date at any moment. For example, LA Metro said they would open the extension to Wilshire / La Cienega in 2023, but they postponed it to 2024 and then 2025.
what about going to Ontario Airport such a convenient Airport, unfortunately not enough flights.
True. Is it becomes a reality, it might go from Ontario to long Beach.
Didn't the red cars run this route at one point?
Robbi496. On a nearby parallel right of way, they did. Part of the Metrolink uses the old P.E. right of way from L.A. to Claremont. The P.E. right of way from Claremont to
San Bernadino is either gone or a trail.
Why do you think it being rebuilt
when is the project going to be finished
Listen carefully, 9 years, or should I say 2026!
Different tracks are needed because of incompatible types of service, not because of the electric power lines.
Why 9 years? Is that the best you can do? It’s like pulling teeth!
There’s no mention in this video of any integration with local land use planning to develop synergy with this major public investment. Has the Authority made any effort to work with each local government to maximize opportunities to promote high ridership and address climate change? Past Metro projects don’t feature much of anything where land use policies are concerned. This is not necessarily the failing of the Authority alone but it would be a major missed opportunity to reshape our region for the 21st century.
There won't be a use for metrolink anymore pretty much 😧
Metrolink runs from L.A. to San Bernardino while L Line (Gold) runs from East L.A. (will soon be Long Beach once the RC opens to service) to Montclair. My prediction on Metrolink ridership will barely decrease west of Montclair, while ridership east of Montclair will boost.
Montclair (and a couple other stations) to Union Station will be possible on both systems. The duplication is odd. I imagine Metrolink will be faster, though, but this will be cheaper to ride.
If they decrease the prices, the ridership wouldn’t decrease that much.
I wish it had benn bulid to azusa
Hadienda ,Rowland, DIamond Bar, Walnut and Chino are still staying in public tranportation blackhole.
Awesome plan, more homeless out of L.A in my Nieghborhood..
No, a goodway to spread out the homeless in th IE
Audio sucks
Fourteen years to complete an E.A.S, incredible!!!! Image the fraud, corruption and nepotism involved. Coupled with nine years of construction work to complete. Having worked in government can image the bureaucracy, red tape, fraud at work. The a joke is, it takes Fifty people to screw a light bulb and 200 more employees to watch them do it.
Image if your son told you, it would take him 12 years to complete my degree that should have taken four years. Regarding building why not built the far right track independently, removed the secondary track in lieu of zigzagging and creating redundancies. Subcontracting the project to the Japanese would have taken, three years and cost ten times less. Japan has a history of rail and advance technology.
Image if a student had to grade his or her own paper.
The crazies, weirdos and freeloaders on the Hobo Highway, made me dump the train for my car. It will cost me more time and frustration, but at least I will be safe. Riders need to take care of their own safety. No one polices this system. Ride this only a few times and you will see. Anyone can get on and no watches.
Pigjubby have you ever rode Metrolink? I rode Metrolinks Antelope Valley Line, on the Metrolink Antelope Valley Line there are Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputies that check all ticketed Metrolink passengers. The San Diego Trolley has Transit police on the trolley checking for ticketed passengers. You love be stuck in traffic on the parking lots such as the 405 parking lot, the San Bernardino Parking lot.
Metrolink and Metro Rail are two separate things. Anyone can, and does, jump on the Metro Rail, i.e. Gold Line, Red Line, Blue Line, etc. Homeless, crazies and weirdos. Scabies on seats. I'll pass. Good idea decades ago. Homeless encampment shuttle is all the Metro Rail is.
I can understand that for the Blue line, but everything else is *much* safer. In January 2017, Metro has added a new hotline for mugging, harassment, assault, or other means of concern. It's extremely effective and immediate. For example, I was taking the Expo Line from Santa Monica to 7th St. in Downtown. At Crenshaw, a horrendously smelly homeless man came onto my train car. He was clearly mentally ill, and obviously didn't pay. Immediately after the doors closed, all you could smell was urine and vomit. I quickly texted Metro's hotline, saying the problem and what car i'm in,and they assured me he would be escorted off at the next station. Sure enough, at the next stop, there were two security guys escorting him off the train. Metro is in the middle of an extreme makeover, that started in 2010. By 2030, it will be a drastically new (and better) riding experience for Los Angeles public transport.
Imagine downtown like Stalag 13 in the movie, The Great Escape. A camp full of crazies, homeless and druggies. Except, the tunnels used to escape the camp are replaced by tunnels made by the MTA, and there are many tunnels, and they have the ability to move hundreds at a time and the camp people can use it for free, as no one checks for entry. Imagine if you will. Hey, imagine no more. Ride the Gold Line and experience it in person.