Rise of Jin and the War of the Eight Princes DOCUMENTARY

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    In our past historical animated documentary series, we have talked about the Three Kingdoms period of Chinese history, covering the battles of Guandu and Red Cliffs. In the aftermath, Jin dynasty managed to take over the country, but their policies would lead to the civil wars, collectively known as the War of the Eight Princes.
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  Před 4 lety +318

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    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +10

      Thanks KNG and CA to let me work on a project about my number one favorite strategy game series, from the days of Shogun!
      Thanks for the inspiring scipt Ilkin Gambar amd Matt Hollis 👍 Thanks for this opportunity Nurlan Karimov.
      Enjoying the game hope you guys also enjoy the video 👋

    • @hadtrio6629
      @hadtrio6629 Před 4 lety +1

      why the patreons never asks for the battle of 3 kings

    • @SeanHiruki
      @SeanHiruki Před 4 lety +11

      Kings and Generals another great video. I hope you go back and cover the other legendary battles of te three kingdoms.

    • @nuraizayoi3319
      @nuraizayoi3319 Před 4 lety +1

      What about the other princes?? and how Sima Yue eventually win the war of the 8 princes

    • @kingkuroneko7253
      @kingkuroneko7253 Před 4 lety

      Over simplify this is reminding me of

  • @crosslegluke4506
    @crosslegluke4506 Před 4 lety +1213

    "her reputation as scheming, petty, and ruthless is probably propaganda."
    *Spends the next 6 minutes describing in detail how she schemed, pettied, and ruthlessly consolidated power for herself.*

    • @panda5996
      @panda5996 Před 4 lety +52

      this is a propaganda video! do not watch! HAHA

    • @ethanramos4441
      @ethanramos4441 Před 4 lety +9

      condorX2 Liu Bei only cared about the people and this isn’t history alternative channel dumbass

    • @htoodoh5770
      @htoodoh5770 Před 4 lety +24

      Reputation? But to be fair this is true for all ruler. So she isn't alone.

    • @kevinzhu6417
      @kevinzhu6417 Před 4 lety +2

      @lolcano234 people like that just come with using the internet lol. Its pretty weird but its not strange to see people online spamming their political opinions regardless of belief nowadays

    • @alexliu5806
      @alexliu5806 Před 4 lety +48

      China being largely Confucian often did not like it when women were in positions of great power. If you look at any powerful woman in Chinese history, they are likely associated with those same negative traits. Keep in mind that most of this history is not written by the subjects themselves and by biased third parties.

  • @GloryToParadis
    @GloryToParadis Před 4 lety +480

    Roman Empire: *Screams at Crisis of the Third Century*
    China: First time?

    • @yuenhai
      @yuenhai Před 4 lety +49

      China: "There, there. Want to know my story?"

    • @yuenhai
      @yuenhai Před 4 lety +33

      @WithAStick AngryWhiteMan Well, with such a huge population, I think it's safe to say they cover the whole gamut of the loyalty spectrum
      The first son of Emperor Qin Shi Huang, for example, famously remained loyal to the memory of his father as the Emperor, and committed suicide as instructed, in spite of his supporters urging him to rise up in rebellion, correctly deducing that his father was already dead and the order to commit suicide came from those who were impersonating his dead father's authority

    • @yuenhai
      @yuenhai Před 4 lety +20

      @@condorX2 There's a theory that Liu Bei wasn't even remotely remorseful over Guan Yu's death
      The theory is that Liu Bei had always had aspiration to become the emperor
      However, Guan Yu was loyal to the Han dynasty - the only reason why he followed Liu Bei was because LB presented himself as a Han loyalist trying to revive the Han
      However, by the time near Guan Yu's death it was apparent to him that LB was merely putting up an act, and LB's ambitions became apparent to Guan Yu, and a rift started developing between them
      It sort of checks out
      It's why Guan Yu never participated in the subjugation of Shu - because to him that was LB seizing land from Liu Zhang, who was the rightful lord of Shu, previously appointed by the Han court
      It's also why Guan Yu embarked on his campaign with almost little to no support from the rest of Shu - Guan Yu was literally going at it alone
      At that point, his mindset was, "Fine if LB doesn't care about saving the Han emperor, I'll just have to do it myself"
      It's also why when GY requested for help, Meng Da and Liu Feng denied to help
      Think about it
      GY is supposedly the brother of the new lord of Shu LB, would any Shu subject dare to deny his request for help?
      Especially Liu Feng, considering he is LB's adopted son
      The theory is that, Liu Feng must have received instructions to leave GY be, and were later scapegoated for it
      To LB, GY at that point has become an obstacle for him to be emperor, yet there is no way he can remove GY, so letting GY die a heroic death in battle is the perfect solution for him
      And if GY's death gives him a pretext to invade Wu, that's like killing two birds with one stone, to him
      The theory also goes on to say that LB's other close followers, like ZGL and Zhao Yun, were aware of these tensions, to some degree
      It's why they vehemently opposed LB's Wu campaign, and chose to sit it out

    • @zpastor7777
      @zpastor7777 Před 3 lety

      I think you are also too much
      this is just historical video and he was just talking about the history
      I think you sound more like a propagandist than him or her

    • @gordonl_8422
      @gordonl_8422 Před 3 lety +3

      In fact they faced with a big trouble at nearly the same time XD
      When Romulus was deposited in 476AD, China was also suffering a dark age.

  • @archetiip
    @archetiip Před 4 lety +910

    When you have imbecile trait but your wife is 30+ intrigue monster

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 Před 4 lety +122

      And all major vassals with opinions of over -50 ...

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 Před 4 lety +12

      @@winjiro106 nonono, we were talking about the game of Murdering Your Wife.

    • @winjiro106
      @winjiro106 Před 4 lety +61

      But your husband's cousin (Sima Lun) have 31 intrigue + Schemer's trait

    • @heavenwatcher100
      @heavenwatcher100 Před 4 lety +30

      I must be chilling if I sense this fact in CK2.

    • @panda5996
      @panda5996 Před 4 lety +4

      Don't you know? In Asia, the only things more dangerous than men...are women. There are significantly less clashes between a wife's father and her husband. There are a crap ton of clashes between a husband's mother and his wife. So messy to a point, even a big country like China can get bogged down.

  • @qus.9617
    @qus.9617 Před 4 lety +739

    This period does feel a bit like the Roman empire's period of Germanic migration into Rome's borders due to Hunnic expansion.

    • @peymanmostafaei6963
      @peymanmostafaei6963 Před 4 lety +55

      I was thinking the same. Especially the sack of their capital is very similar to the sack of Rome in 410 and 455 by Germanic tribes and in some extent to the state of Roman empire where the West died due to nomadic incursions while the East remained for another thousand years.

    • @darrynmurphy4764
      @darrynmurphy4764 Před 4 lety +69

      They were roughly contemporary, which has led some historians to speculate that a climate shift caused both

    • @stephenl6546
      @stephenl6546 Před 4 lety +4

      You are definitely right.

    • @chottomatekudasai-kun3887
      @chottomatekudasai-kun3887 Před 4 lety +15

      i remember reading somewhere that huns and the dudes that invaded china in this period are related and basically from the same origin, but cant remember where do i read that xD

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 Před 4 lety +32

      @Arexon The real cause of the downfall for the Roman Empire was Currency devaluation. The Roman Military was too expensive to maintain in "peacetime" or when there wasn't any large campaigns to conduct. Tax collection was not enough to fund the army and the only sure way to payoff soldiers was by plundering other civilisations. The Administration was also inflated and the civil servants and administrators all needed to be paid well. What the government did was simply devalue the gold coins with silver to have more coins available and this caused damage to the economy. Economics, expensive military and the greed of the ruling class is what really destroyed the Empire. The foreign Barbarians only managed to destroy an already weakened Empire.

  • @suckatchess
    @suckatchess Před 4 lety +536

    Dude, there's so much double dealing and back stabbing I have to watch three times to remember who's betraying who at what time. I love it!!!

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +10

      😁 thanks for watching!

    • @wmhld
      @wmhld Před 4 lety +25

      and so far only 3 out of the 8 princes are involved

    • @sntm87
      @sntm87 Před 4 lety +9

      Ikr. Plus the one/two syllable names makes it that much harder.

    • @MrRenegadeshinobi
      @MrRenegadeshinobi Před 4 lety +19

      Chinese Game of Thrones

    • @Harthorn
      @Harthorn Před 4 lety +19

      This is Chinese politics, it is still the same now.

  • @erickisking9973
    @erickisking9973 Před 3 lety +243

    Cao Cao knew that Sima Yi would be a threat in the future and would one day usurp the Cao dynasty. There is a story that after one particular meeting with Cao Cao and while Sima Yi was about to leave, Cao Cao shouted Sima Yi's name behind his back and Sima Yi made the gesture of turning only his head at Cao and not his body. This was known as 'the wolf's gaze' and Cao Cao knew that only a man with great ambition and cunning could make such a gesture. Another story is that Cao Cao once had a dream of three horses (The 'ma' in the name Sima means horse) eating straws in a manger (The word 'cao' means manger). In retrospect, in indicates that Sima Yi and his two sons (the three horses) would one day consume the Cao family (manger). From then on, Cao Cao became very wary of Sima Yi's power and influence and warned his son that Sima Yi was not content in being under his authority and would certainly interfere in his affairs. Nevertheless, Cao needed Sima Yi to aid his son in fighting against Zhuge Liang and therefore could not afford to get rid of him. Hence Cao Cao was partly responsible for his own dynasty's downfall.

    • @LagunaShirogane
      @LagunaShirogane Před rokem +24

      I favored Kingdom of Wei in Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Warriors games. Even I disliked Sima Yi from the start and favored Guo Jia over him. Who's to say that Sima Yi poisoned Guo Jia to prevent him from interfering in his plans to overtake the Wei Dynasty? Guo Jia died of a mysterious illness at the age of 38 just before the Battle of Chi Bi. Guo Jia was so good and intelligent that every prediction that man ever made came true. This is why Cao Cao trusted him so highly with everything. Guo Jia's death devastated Cao Cao deeply and inadvertently set the stage up for Sima Yi's rise in Cao Cao's court. Imagine what would have happened had Guo Jia survived? Could he have prevented Sima Yi's plot to overthrow Cao Cao's family? I suspect this highly. It does seem odd that Guo Jia died at such a young age when Cao Cao needed him most.

    • @breezywarhead8489
      @breezywarhead8489 Před rokem +7

      @@LagunaShirogane dont forget sun jian top general also missing since yellow turbans. Guo jia is most likely kill by sima clan because sima clan dream usurping the throne from han dynasty and use poison drinks to make him sick and die because he is a threat to sima yi ambition to overthrow cao cao.

    • @LagunaShirogane
      @LagunaShirogane Před rokem +3

      @@breezywarhead8489 This makes the most sense. Guo Jia's son also had a bad reputation among the Wei Dynasty as well. What I read of Guo Yi, who was Guo Jia's son, was disturbing. Guo Yi was welcomed by Cao Cao into his family, after Guo Jia's death, like he was another one of his children. What was disturbing about Guo Yi is how he treated some officers in the Wei army when he was older in a horrible well such poor attitude problems. As well as reports that suggest he was gay due to how he acted oddly around some men. Im not sure if this was propaganda by the Sima Family to keep Guo Yi down or if this was true as its said that history is written by the victors regardless if its factual or truth. This is very true with Cao Cao as history has never been too kind to the Hero of Chaos. History and stories has often portrayed Cao Cao in poor light by making him out to be an evil tyrant not much better than Dong Zhuo...if not worse. When in reality, Cao Cao did what he had to for the sake of the country. Even if it meant being portrayed as a villian to his enemies and to do things that others wouldnt dare cross. He reminds me of Nobunaga Oda a bit in this sense. Doing what is necessary to achive the best course of action. Which is unifying the country by any means necessary. Liu Bei was seen as an adversary, for example, not an enemy. Sun Quan was no different to him. Unlike his son Cao Pi, Cao Cao refused to force the Emperor to abdicate the throne to him and stayed in his good graces and supported him and protected him.

    • @breezywarhead8489
      @breezywarhead8489 Před rokem +2

      @@LagunaShirogane although jin dynasty before the war of eight princes portray wei highly than shu and wu. Then ming dynasty portray wei badly. Kinda ironic

    • @LagunaShirogane
      @LagunaShirogane Před rokem +5

      @@breezywarhead8489 Yeah it does. Perhaps the Ming were descendants of the Wei Dynasty's enemies? That would make the most sense if that be the case. It was said that China's own borders shrunk by nearly half its size after the War of the 8 Princes that followed a century later after the Three Kingdoms era which eventually would lead to the Mongol Invasion by Genghis Khan and his ancestors in the following centuries.

  • @benilevi5223
    @benilevi5223 Před 4 lety +677

    How many times you can go into a civil war
    China : Yes

    • @user-gx3kb4wi4t
      @user-gx3kb4wi4t Před 4 lety +35

      Civil war?China is as big as europe,todays China ≠ancient China

    • @user-fi2fk2ei7o
      @user-fi2fk2ei7o Před 4 lety +27

      @@user-gx3kb4wi4t you are right , china is very big and diverse
      it's like saying seven years war an european civil war if someone think china is united nation back then

    • @almalayuwiyyah2512
      @almalayuwiyyah2512 Před 4 lety +19

      @@user-gx3kb4wi4t yes, china not united back then but they fight like a civil war. the theatre of wars always in meddetrienean seas. crusade,ww1,ww2,napoleonic war,fall of constantinople,, the holy league, caliphate even until today the biggest conflict always around meditteranean seas. china history is like they live in their own world. china has huge population compare to the rest of the world. when there is civil war in china. it is like a world war. taiping rebellion itself is greater than ww2. the death toll of Taiping rebellion is freaking 100 million people surpassing ww2 of 85 million dead. I will blunt, the chinese is like an alien. they kinda scary too. it give me the impression that they will release the horde of chinese to destroy the world.

    • @yinongxu9355
      @yinongxu9355 Před 4 lety +7

      @@almalayuwiyyah2512 Sure, then if we are able to destroy the world, maybe consider stop pushing us to really destroy the world and maybe try to make friends?

    • @yinongxu9355
      @yinongxu9355 Před 4 lety +19

      @@shanexm3062 There are no special wars, all wars are equally cruel. Civil wars are the worst. The reason that you felt in that particular way about our wars might simply be because you don't like us like you liked the other "Glorious wars" that fought by other "noble people". Just imagine if it wasn't some Chinese but the people you like died in that number, would you say the same words? You don't like the potential of we can conquer the world, but at the same time you are saying we definitely cannot conquer the world, then what are you afraid? And where does the hate come from?

  • @Alexander99602
    @Alexander99602 Před 4 lety +232

    Nomadic people in all Chinese history
    "So you want some sol-"
    China : *YES.* but you will not betray us right?
    Nomads : Well yes but actually yes.

    • @CodytheHun123
      @CodytheHun123 Před 4 lety +9

      Please make this into meme format 😂

    • @R3GARnator
      @R3GARnator Před 4 lety +25

      Sounds like the late roman empire and migrating tribes.

    • @elivevile
      @elivevile Před 4 lety +8

      nomadic people in ancient times …. immigrants from countries with ideologies hostile to the host country in modern times.

    • @kyokyodisaster4842
      @kyokyodisaster4842 Před 4 lety +5

      @@elivevile Now, that isn't true...and makes a harsh difference between refugees from today and nomadic peoples from then. Again, there is massive differences politically and economically that makes that so.

    • @alexandrebirk1948
      @alexandrebirk1948 Před 3 lety +9

      @@kyokyodisaster4842 and I will add late that some tribes were okay to integrate the roman empire but the roman said nope and exterminate them

  • @nikolaytsankov9066
    @nikolaytsankov9066 Před 4 lety +545

    When I spent 2 hours looking at the wikipaedia article and the family tree trying to figure this messy war over a year ago I thought there would be no payoff.
    I was wrong

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Před 4 lety +121

      Knowledge is never in vain

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +19

      I knew some friend will comment this! Enjoyed creating that family tree thanks for watching!

    • @ilikedota5
      @ilikedota5 Před 4 lety +6

      only 2?

    • @GKS225
      @GKS225 Před 4 lety +5

      @@user-dq7to1jc7p Same here

    • @Harthorn
      @Harthorn Před 4 lety +5

      China political games are very savage, even now, it's the same.

  • @seveylee9865
    @seveylee9865 Před 4 lety +341

    War of the Roses was the most confusing political civil war.
    Sima Clan: Hold my beer.

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 Před 4 lety +36

      Well, the play ground was so much LARGER than England

    • @martinzaksauskas4739
      @martinzaksauskas4739 Před 4 lety

      Sevey Lee I disagree I legit cant figure out the war of the roses

    • @makcjiw7704
      @makcjiw7704 Před 4 lety +37

      Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms:Hold my Baijiu

    • @someorclad9738
      @someorclad9738 Před 4 lety +34

      More like;
      All Chinese Dynasties at one point: Hold my Mandate of Heaven.

    • @megamen7353
      @megamen7353 Před 4 lety +26

      Nah, War of the Roses compare to chinese history is kinda "history for slow kids". If it wasnt about British, nobody prob would knew about it anyway. Brits like to exaggerate their own history.

  • @gabrielferreira1531
    @gabrielferreira1531 Před 4 lety +292

    The Diadochi wars and the Three kingdons period: real epics who make game of thrones blush in shame

    • @alantan9863
      @alantan9863 Před 4 lety +9

      Not really. Got has no spoiler, but ROTK and others had.

    • @quintus6081
      @quintus6081 Před 4 lety +25

      War of the Roses: "Am I a joke to you?"

    • @Mitchmeow
      @Mitchmeow Před 4 lety +52

      You hit the nail on the head for why I think history is more interesting than any fiction. Real life produces events and drama crazier than anything an author could ever think of. As somebody once said, "Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, is expected to make sense."

    • @TheRealBruceLouis
      @TheRealBruceLouis Před 4 lety +9

      @@Mitchmeow not just that, it actually happened. with fiction u rig it however u see fit no matter how ridiculous or wtf it is. with history, it actually happened.

    • @Mitchmeow
      @Mitchmeow Před 4 lety +9

      @@TheRealBruceLouisExactly. You're dealing with the real actions of real people, and all of the nuance and random bullshit that comes with it. Endlessly fascinating.

  • @TheJdong34
    @TheJdong34 Před 4 lety +89

    Game of thrones: W'ere gunna-
    China: Hold my bowl of rice
    Game of thrones: But we haven't-
    China: Just hold it

  • @Ben0_o
    @Ben0_o Před 4 lety +83

    People alive during the Three Kingdoms be like: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war."

    • @emperorx5
      @emperorx5 Před 3 lety +22

      Northern Nomads: WAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH

    • @fromfareast3070
      @fromfareast3070 Před 3 lety +8

      yeah, with Sixteen Kingdoms as follows.. that's pretty true.

    • @richardwang7659
      @richardwang7659 Před 3 lety +2

      Warhammer : the Dragon of Chaos

    • @marloyorkrodriguez9975
      @marloyorkrodriguez9975 Před 2 lety +2

      The Empire, the Last bastion of hope…

    • @afdalridwan3813
      @afdalridwan3813 Před rokem +1

      @@marloyorkrodriguez9975 Last time peoples can chill was When dong Zhuo still alive, after that all jealous and selfish warlords declare for own authority

  • @harveyliu89
    @harveyliu89 Před 4 lety +100

    When told that the peasants are dying and couldn’t afford rice in their bowls, the young emperor Hui infamously asked: “why didn’t they eat meat then?”

  • @tenriayukawa5478
    @tenriayukawa5478 Před 4 lety +26

    My goodness. Betrayal everywhere. Who betrayed who? Needed to watch it multiple times to know who is who. But heck, this is Game of Thrones Chinese version

  • @sirspamalot3
    @sirspamalot3 Před 4 lety +335

    Masterfully done documentary, as usual.

  • @TheHzh82
    @TheHzh82 Před 4 lety +87

    12:05 Sima Lun was the 9th (and youngest) son of Sima Yi. He’s actually Sima Yan’s uncle. The family tree you showed had him as Sima Yan’s son.

  • @VictoryStudios2012
    @VictoryStudios2012 Před 4 lety +60

    Sima Liang was the real hero. Loved by the people and they refused to kill him.

  • @KdN17
    @KdN17 Před 4 lety +58

    I really hope Total War Trhee kingdoms keep promoting your channel, because I am a big fan of chinese history

  • @SupernovaJBombastic
    @SupernovaJBombastic Před 4 lety +82

    Really digging the artwork in this one. Absolutely gorgeous

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +1

      thanks for watchingmy friend!

  • @matthewboyle2641
    @matthewboyle2641 Před 4 lety +130

    Imagine being on guard duty when the Wu Hu show up
    Guard 1"Wu Hu!"
    Guard 2 "What are you so happy about? We're being attacked by barbarians!"

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 Před 4 lety +4

      Good one~

    • @x_nasheed_x9622
      @x_nasheed_x9622 Před 4 lety +1

      I just spit my drink.

    • @spangopola
      @spangopola Před 4 lety +16

      Wu Hu is in a fact a collective term for the various barbarian tribes of the north, instead of a specific clan or people. It literally meant "Five (Northern) Barbarians", which implies the five major invaders of Jin borders: Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Xianbei, and the Qiang. There are in fact numerous other tribes which invaded Jin, but these five are the big boys in the fiasco.

    • @pypy1986820
      @pypy1986820 Před 4 lety +1

      @@spangopola Wu Hu can be literally translate to the five Hunnic people. You can see the disrespect the then Han China had for them--they can't even be bothered to distinguish them properly even as they carve out their own kingdoms in China and sacked their capitals.

    • @rickr9435
      @rickr9435 Před 4 lety +7

      @@pypy1986820 first, wu hu, and two of those were sino-tibetan people. do you really know what "Hunnic " means? second, these five were the major groups, other groups were just under these five. so what do you even mean by "can't even be bothered to distinguish them properly"? already told you that the big five were Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Xianbei & Qiang.
      justFYI, Han chinese were from Qiang. Qiang and Di were related. Most Xianbei and some of Southern Xiongnu merged into Han later.

  • @XuerLi
    @XuerLi Před 4 lety +67

    There is a drama called "Advisors' Alliance" which depicts the rise of Sima clan. Anyone who is interested in this part of history can watch it which is a really well made historical drama and completely different from other typical cheap chinese costume dramas made for women and children with self invented storylines, characters and weird people flying in sky like supermen.

    • @abedmarachli7345
      @abedmarachli7345 Před 2 lety

      As a Chinese, do you have information about what happened to the boy? Was he killed or was he still alive? But from the common people, because the clip depicts only that the empire was captured trying to kill the boy.

    • @lilianhaggland2031
      @lilianhaggland2031 Před rokem

      Thank you,I love Chinese History

  • @07azunyan
    @07azunyan Před 4 lety +49

    All this Ancient China content came at the perfect time when I was finding ancient Rome stuff stale. Thanks.

    • @KhanMann66
      @KhanMann66 Před 4 lety +15

      More Asian wars please. European wars getting stale.

    • @R3GARnator
      @R3GARnator Před 4 lety +9

      Yeah i found his series on Inca and Aztecs extremely refreshing.

  • @alishermukhametkali9230
    @alishermukhametkali9230 Před 4 lety +24

    Sima Yi and Sima Lun are literally Littlefinger of Chinese history
    Chaos is a ladder

  • @animeweng
    @animeweng Před 4 lety +52

    A better story than Game of Thrones.

  • @ermawanbanyubiru1924
    @ermawanbanyubiru1924 Před 4 lety +230

    Zhuge Liang North Expedition please Kings and Generals

    • @alantan9863
      @alantan9863 Před 4 lety +17

      Too painful to watch. Just because of '1 horse'(Ma Su), everything fell apart.

    • @ermawanbanyubiru1924
      @ermawanbanyubiru1924 Před 4 lety +11

      @@alantan9863 if not because of Ma Su arrogance and Liu Bei Vengeance he already unite china

    • @ZhouGongJin
      @ZhouGongJin Před 4 lety +2

      @@alantan9863 I doubt that's in the historical records instead of the novel

    • @ZhouGongJin
      @ZhouGongJin Před 4 lety +15

      @@ermawanbanyubiru1924 if you wanna use "if only" then I can use if only Zhou Yu are healthy n didn't die young then wu will get yi provinces, then it would've been a different story.
      After all, chi bi is of Zhou Yu's brilliance not zhuge. Calling south eastern wind, borrowing 10000 bows are just novels fabrication to make zhuge liang looks good. Zhou Yu was actually magnanimous n wasn't wary about zhuge at all.

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 Před 4 lety +2

      @@ZhouGongJin The fault of Ma Su were well documented in the official history books. So that was true instead of romance.

  • @zeflute4586
    @zeflute4586 Před 4 lety +55

    The "Wu Hu" (五胡) means "the five Babarians", including the huns (those who remained in China after Han-Huns Warfare).

    • @wilhelmreinhardt4643
      @wilhelmreinhardt4643 Před 4 lety +21

      The southern Huns (Xiongnu), whom by this point is already very sinicized, their leader even had the old Han imperial surname of Liu.

    • @USERZ123XD
      @USERZ123XD Před 4 lety

      @@wilhelmreinhardt4643 everybody is gangsta until the huns invaded.

    • @rickr9435
      @rickr9435 Před 4 lety +9

      @@wilhelmreinhardt4643 yeah, and Liu Yuan even named his new kingdom Han

    • @rickr9435
      @rickr9435 Před 4 lety +3

      actually I think the translation is not accurate. 胡 is more like "foreign". the word 蛮 is closer to barbarian

    • @user-od9hs2yl2o
      @user-od9hs2yl2o Před 4 lety +1

      @@rickr9435 蛮 only refers to barbarians to the south

  • @logi4840
    @logi4840 Před 4 lety +8

    This must be one of the best videos K&G ever made. I love it Thank you!!

  • @SeleucusNicator
    @SeleucusNicator Před 4 lety +160

    Just when I thought I couldn't be more excited for the Eight Princes DLC, you release this incredible video and shatter my hype meter! xD
    My first campaign will be as Sima Wei. Going to see what might've happened if Sima Wei had heeded Qi Sheng's advice and attacked Empress Jia before she turned on him.

    • @Liquidsback
      @Liquidsback Před 4 lety +4

      Just keep an eye on that Ptolemy Keraunos.

    • @yevonsama
      @yevonsama Před 4 lety +12

      Sima Ai ( Sima Wei's brother) is only good guys among them.
      He be betrayed, and burn alive. You even can see it in the trailer.

    • @OCinneide
      @OCinneide Před 4 lety +2

      @@trollpolice Three Kingdoms

  • @jeffa.2092
    @jeffa.2092 Před 4 lety +30

    I can't thank you and the channel enough for your content. I remember growing up when the history and military channels actually covered history and had incredible documentaries. With that being long gone, having these channels (which are better quality than the old history channel imo) is incredible. I literally smiled as I saw the notification saying you posted a new video. Considering joining for the $4.99/month.

  • @yegirish
    @yegirish Před 4 lety +16

    The art in your chinese history videos has been absolutely fantastic. Great job, art team!

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +3

      thanks for watching! art team happy :D

  • @warriorpoet458
    @warriorpoet458 Před 4 lety +5

    Thank you for clearing up all the family intrigue. Another great video.

  • @tamasharbula3317
    @tamasharbula3317 Před 4 lety +10

    The makers of this video are literally kings. Great work guys, as always. You make youtube useful and magnificent.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      thanks for watching!

  • @Geopoliticus
    @Geopoliticus Před 4 lety +8

    Incredible documentary. Art and presentation is brilliant, kudos to the narrator too: the effort to get the pronunciation right is very evident. Looking forward to more on Chinese history! Some South-East Asian history too please!

  • @Ulas_Aldag
    @Ulas_Aldag Před 4 lety +3

    Best channel ever. I am so glad you guys exist. CZcams would a boring and void place without kings and Generals

  • @hansbass8119
    @hansbass8119 Před 4 lety +35

    If anyone want to know more of this period, Serious Trivia have a really good 8 part video covering the reason until the end of the 8 princes era. His video was very educating and interesting

    • @lxjilyfe
      @lxjilyfe Před 4 lety +4

      absolutely agree, his content is even more detailed and educating. link below
      czcams.com/video/IMVxYcnehBU/video.html

  • @aaroneus5479
    @aaroneus5479 Před 4 lety +25

    wow, thanks to this video I managed to get the promotional pre-order 18 minutes before the dlc released

  • @user-ys5qp4bq4s
    @user-ys5qp4bq4s Před 4 lety +5

    Love the style, love your voice. Your voice is just surprisingly pleasant to hear, articulate, eloquent, and as a Br Eng accent, not pretentious at all.

  • @romulusremus6912
    @romulusremus6912 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic documentary. Look forward to more of this. Thank you for producing them.

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 Před 4 lety +2

    I COULD go look all this up on my own, but your presentation is worth the wait.

  • @knowledgerealm1064
    @knowledgerealm1064 Před 4 lety +4

    The map on this looks fantastic. Great documentary as always

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 Před 4 lety +1

    Spent all night last night watching your videos, couldn’t think of a better way to spend my night 😁

  • @stonks1150
    @stonks1150 Před 4 lety +52

    This page is absolute quality. Best videos to smoke a joint to.

    • @GClermont
      @GClermont Před 4 lety +1

      Its amazing
      watch these videos high

  • @BlazeKiingHD
    @BlazeKiingHD Před 4 lety +3

    Love this channel! Keep the vids coming ASAP

  • @samsonpatayon9131
    @samsonpatayon9131 Před 4 lety +4

    The animations and the overall presentations are evolving over time! This is my favorite channel..

  • @tanmaytripathi8358
    @tanmaytripathi8358 Před 4 lety +2

    best war documentary channel ever, recommended everyone who loves historical and war videos :-)

  • @donnieroush58
    @donnieroush58 Před 4 lety +10

    I remember the ending of the Jin campaign in dynasty warriors 7 they briefly explained some of this and what happened after Sima Zhao defeated Shu. Great video!

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea Před 4 lety +51

    I have to say, the Han Chinese should thank their lucky stars that the Sun family was around to build up the infrastructure of the Southlands when they ruled the kingdom of Wu. Because had they not then the surviving Jin wouldn't of had a strong powerbase in the south to retreat to when the Five Barbarians overran the northern territories and could have flooded past the Yangtze and really brought China into a dark age while reshaping its culture.

    • @pypy1986820
      @pypy1986820 Před 4 lety +16

      Don't forget Liu Bei (Shu Han)'s effort in developing the South West of China which was previously almost all under-developed near stone age mountain tribes with minimal governance and near non-existent infrastructure. The South West refuge strategy worked for China even in 20th century: as soon as Chiang and Chinese Nationalist forces retreated to the tropical mountains of South West China (Shu Han region), even the Imperial Japan can't dislodge them due to all the alleys to hide from aerial attacks and all the mountains that made mechanized advance all but impossible. In fact, I believe, without the near unassailable tropical mountains of South China (It's kinda like the Vale of Game of Thrones but with tropical climate which means plenty food so it's actually more impregnable), Chinese civilization would have been extinct like Rome instead of reincarnate again and again in real history...

    • @unglaublichcharlatan3600
      @unglaublichcharlatan3600 Před 3 lety +2

      Pretty accurate. Otherwise China might not be China as it is today

    • @mechannel7046
      @mechannel7046 Před 3 lety +6

      @@unglaublichcharlatan3600 There is no pure "Chinese" people. The Chinese (and the Han Chinese in particular) is nothing but a mixture of numerous racial and ethnic groups.

    • @user-cs2cc4do6g
      @user-cs2cc4do6g Před 3 lety +2

      i dont care.if barbarian conquered China,then they will bacome Chinese.

    • @shzarmai
      @shzarmai Před 3 lety +2

      @@user-cs2cc4do6g Yep they would just get sinicized* lol

  • @GClermont
    @GClermont Před 4 lety +4

    Amazing video quality, you guys are always improving the channel, congrats

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      thanks for watching

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for doing this and the other Chinese history videos. It's a subject that has always fascinated me and your channel covers historical battles exceptionally well.
    I hope to one day see the Mahdi and Anglo Zulu wars here.

  • @shaunmark1
    @shaunmark1 Před 3 lety +1

    These documentaries are the BEST. I mean, I watch a lot on TV, streaming platforms, and CZcams, but this is unbeatable.

  • @TheMetalHeadbangger
    @TheMetalHeadbangger Před 4 lety +6

    Such a awesome history lesson. Can not wait what happens next.

  • @tdoge
    @tdoge Před 4 lety +20

    1:36 That horseman YEETING the enemy troops tho

  • @MegaAmar98
    @MegaAmar98 Před 4 lety

    This was by far my most favourite art style in this channel. Keep it up :)

  • @LECityLECLEC
    @LECityLECLEC Před 3 lety

    Thanks for sharing this episode this is amazing!

  • @NguyenThanh-zf8tk
    @NguyenThanh-zf8tk Před 4 lety +26

    Sima Liang is not a son of Sima Yan. Instead he is the fourth son of Sima Yi - creator of Jin dynasty, and great uncle of Sima Yan.
    And you can mention Sima Rui, an adopted son of Sima Yan who will become the savior of Jin.

  • @DutchSkeptic
    @DutchSkeptic Před 4 lety +9

    I love the Three Kingdoms period, and I had never heard so many details of the Jin period thereafter! Thanks so much! There are some errors in the subtitles but it's probably easy to fix. :)

  • @thedirty530
    @thedirty530 Před 4 lety +1

    The way you bring life to these conflicts that textbooks can't is Historic...To truly appreciate history, you have see it with your own eyes......Keep up the Amazing work!!

  • @mrperson0140
    @mrperson0140 Před 4 lety +3

    This channel keeps getting better with each video!!!

  • @pieterfischer9638
    @pieterfischer9638 Před 4 lety +10

    Once again, Kings and Generals do not disappoint. I would happily buy a collection of all your videos in a DVD box set. :)

  • @SamuelHallEngland
    @SamuelHallEngland Před 4 lety +6

    Fascinating! More please. Great animation style too!

  • @abdoessam8634
    @abdoessam8634 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic episode as usual .keep the videos on chinese history,it's so interesting

  • @CNX625
    @CNX625 Před 4 lety +16

    World history books skipped after the three kingdoms. Next thing I know there's a Sui dynasty. Oh before I forget.
    "China is whole again. Then it broke again."

  • @SaraBearRawr0312
    @SaraBearRawr0312 Před 4 lety +4

    I clicked on this fully knowing that it would involve a Total War: Three Kingdoms sponsorship and stayed knowing that K&G makes fantastic content either way.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      well thanks for watching sir!

  • @joshualin5476
    @joshualin5476 Před 4 lety +18

    Total War is such a based franchise for sponsoring all these videos on Ancient China. So badass.
    Also, this video has such a cool artstyle. Props to the designer/animator

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +3

      thanks alot!

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164

    Good job, this is another good educational and entertaining video.

  • @dzpower189
    @dzpower189 Před 4 lety

    thank you for this great work

  • @vincently2552
    @vincently2552 Před 4 lety +16

    Jin Dynasty (Sima family's branch) = Post-Three Kingdoms

  • @sirmento3047
    @sirmento3047 Před 4 lety +10

    Another dope video you guys deserve more subs

  • @oremilutinovic2724
    @oremilutinovic2724 Před 4 lety +2

    You got the voice meant for this. Love your videos.

  • @mattgrandich3977
    @mattgrandich3977 Před 2 lety +2

    Love the artwork in this video.

  • @vankrou873
    @vankrou873 Před 4 lety +4

    I asked for this!!!! Thank you for responding!!!

  • @carlosnevarez4003
    @carlosnevarez4003 Před 4 lety +8

    Chinese History always fascinated me. Very dynamic and when Wars were fought, they didn't field thousands of troops. No, they fielded 10s of thousands of poor souls.

    • @mxn1948
      @mxn1948 Před 4 lety +3

      heck in some wars/battles, entire male population of 14-45 in entire regions was drafted.

    • @zhenhuaxue9468
      @zhenhuaxue9468 Před 3 lety +2

      After the eight princes, it’s even more terrifying. You can imagine that in the Game of Thrones, The white walkers invasion was successful, and different races began to slaughter each other for 200 years

  • @Rogue-A.I.
    @Rogue-A.I. Před 4 lety

    superb documentary! Keep it up!

  • @Capodraste
    @Capodraste Před 4 lety +2

    So entertaining and fascinating, these videos

  • @lozo9637
    @lozo9637 Před 4 lety +6

    For me, Chinese history is complex with many coups , treasure and others.
    I like this video because it simplified perfectly how things worked there.

  • @feelsgoodman9751
    @feelsgoodman9751 Před 4 lety +37

    Cao Mao and Cao Huan were child emperors, you made it look like they were 40 year old puppet emperors lol.

    • @fabiolaiiludwigvonhoffenhe2264
      @fabiolaiiludwigvonhoffenhe2264 Před 4 lety +6

      Cao Mao was a teenager puppet, he led his lifeguard to attack Sima Zhao. Cao Fang and Cao Huan are the child puppets.

    • @feelsgoodman9751
      @feelsgoodman9751 Před 4 lety +5

      @@fabiolaiiludwigvonhoffenhe2264 Cao Mao was enthroned aged 13-14 and died at 19, that's still a child emperor, besides when he got to the throne, the Sima clan was already in control

    • @delhanpan6962
      @delhanpan6962 Před 3 lety

      Additionally, King of Runan Sima Liang and King of Zhao Sima Lun were both the uncle of Sima Yan, and were old men, more than 50. King of Chu Sima Wei is only 20 when he died. Among eight princes, only three of them are the Sons of Sima Yan, other are all his cousins, uncles and a nephew.

    • @nobblkpraetorian5623
      @nobblkpraetorian5623 Před 3 lety +1

      @@feelsgoodman9751 Gotta give credit to him for trying to do something about his situation when he was still a teenager, maybe he would've succeeded if he waited until he became an adult.

  • @akanbioluyomi8826
    @akanbioluyomi8826 Před 4 lety +1

    I just love the graphics... Illustrative and Educative.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      thanks for watching!

  • @virusguy5611
    @virusguy5611 Před 4 lety

    I was wondering when you guys were going to make a vid. Was not disappointed

  • @Zantides
    @Zantides Před 4 lety +68

    Was sitting here wondering when the next video was due 😎

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Před 4 lety +8

      The wizard is never late, nor is he early and stuff. :-)

  • @thibaultletricheur1884
    @thibaultletricheur1884 Před 4 lety +10

    There is a little mistake at 12:11 in the tree, Sima Lun was the (youngest) son of Sima Yi, not Sima Yan.
    No evocation of the conquest of Wu in 280AD, too bad. This fact changed also the nature of the reign of Wu Di Jin who became less concern by ruling.
    But very good video as usual.

  • @AAABBB-fq8mj
    @AAABBB-fq8mj Před 4 lety +1

    Some amazing artwork in this video, big ups to whoever did it.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety +1

      Me and happy you liked my friend! thanks for watching!

  • @canikillyoupls
    @canikillyoupls Před rokem +2

    My one of the favorite dynasty

  • @ericyuen1988
    @ericyuen1988 Před 4 lety +4

    Actually, it is just the first half of the story. Later, more princes raised to "save" Emperor Hui and completed the status of being regent. Prince Ying of Chengdu released Liu Yuan, who was the son of a leading Xiongnu tribe, and caused the uprising of Xiongnu. However, the princes were still fighting for the power until Prince Yue of Donghai won. At the same year of the end of the War of the Eight Princes, Liu Yuan crowned himself "Emperor of Han" which started the age of Sixteen Kingdoms.

  • @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143

    Can you make a video about Matilda of Tuscany and one about ancient Ligurians? there are two stories very interesting that few know. Thank you very much for yourk work, every your video is amazing!

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 Před 4 lety +1

    Perfect! As always 😃

  • @vueher4965
    @vueher4965 Před 4 lety +1

    Wow. Keeps getting better. Keep it up

  • @whm_w8833
    @whm_w8833 Před 4 lety +126

    Dude GOT is a joke compare to this.

    • @peteryu9620
      @peteryu9620 Před 4 lety +3

      Agreed.

    • @joeldiao3215
      @joeldiao3215 Před 4 lety +24

      Then there's a Sixteen Kingdoms era right after this 8 princes period. Even more exciting and complicating stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen_Kingdoms

  • @yogunihachimi6797
    @yogunihachimi6797 Před 4 lety +7

    16 kingdoms period right after this seems good setting for another DLC actually...

  • @markuhler2664
    @markuhler2664 Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent video & thanks for the family trees to help understand who was betraying whom.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      thanks for watching!

  • @KenjiMaestro
    @KenjiMaestro Před 4 lety

    Great video. Keep it up

  • @judgegrinch1139
    @judgegrinch1139 Před 4 lety +41

    "Ah that crap about her being a schemer all baloney. She did murder someone though"

    • @EndOfSmallSanctuary97
      @EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Před 4 lety +19

      "lol these people just hating cause she's a WOMAN"
      "well, okay, yeah, she did murder someone, but still...."
      lmao

    • @Inerrant1
      @Inerrant1 Před 4 lety +14

      Well, she gets a bad rep because she did the same thing that literally everyone at the time period... but had the gall to do it with a pair of ovaries.

    • @ehvaandal
      @ehvaandal Před 4 lety +9

      It's because the Chinese have a habit of treating competent queens like witches.

    • @judgegrinch1139
      @judgegrinch1139 Před 4 lety +2

      I was only trying to point out how humorous it was the way he phrased the whole statement

    • @theoderic_l
      @theoderic_l Před 4 lety +5

      @@ehvaandal Wu Zetian is pretty widely praised in China.

  • @DirtCobaine
    @DirtCobaine Před 2 lety +5

    I honestly love these sponsored videos. I love starting a new total war game (Because I finally got a my first gaming pc and hadn’t played a total war game besides the first Rome and medieval 2. But I’ve been obsessed with them and I like to look up the history of the games because as someone who loves to learn about history it gets me more excited to play the game. So like I always have something to be excited about every single day

  • @skymanlee
    @skymanlee Před 4 lety +1

    Great video I've ever seen about eight princes chaos as a Chinese. Thanks and please carry on.

  • @nasseralbloushi9543
    @nasseralbloushi9543 Před 4 lety

    More of Three Kingdoms documentaries please. 10/10 :D

  • @ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010

    I already feel like a mini Chinese history expert cause I used to play Dynasty Warriors 3.

  • @adaw2d3222
    @adaw2d3222 Před 4 lety +10

    Chinese history is almost unknown to me. Thanks for this brief look!

  • @calebgoodfellowcg
    @calebgoodfellowcg Před 4 lety +1

    I absolutely love the art style for this video.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      thanks for watching!

  • @KeinsingtonCisco
    @KeinsingtonCisco Před 4 lety +1

    Cheers to You and Your illustrator!

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz Před 4 lety

      Cheers and thanks for watching! :D