The Art of the Puzzle | Thoughts on creativity, expression, and A.I. art
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2023
- I've got some questions about A.I. art! In this video, I'm looking at puzzles from CreaMindsLabs and Unreal Puzzles, two brands that are using artificial intelligence to create jigsaw puzzle art. I'm also sharing some of my ponderings about this hot topic.
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Links!
The AI art generator I used for this video is Craiyon: www.craiyon.com/
For more on this topic, Donnalouise's (@fortheloveofpuzzles ) video about A.I. art and jigsaw puzzles is here: • AI Generated Art in Ji...
Puzzles featured in this video (Amazon links are affiliate links):
When Colors and Happiness Collide I (Unreal Puzzles): tinyurl.com/2p88mfjk
Custom Jigsaw Puzzle (CreaMindsLabs): tinyurl.com/45ybfj7s
Gators, Gigs, and Synchronized Silliness (CreaMindsLabs): tinyurl.com/4athnts4
Moth Girl (Fred): amzn.to/3qmmfq4
1000 Changing Colors (The Play Group): www.playgroup.design/
White Puzzle With One Piece Missing (Simone Giertz): yetch.store/products/incomple...
The Clearly Impossible Puzzle - Broken Glass Edition: amzn.to/3Oud5Qh
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I work in business and marketing but I’m not a fan of AI at all. It’s not that ”smart” and ”creative” that people may think exactly for the reason that it’s based on things that already exist. Also it feels very stereotypical most of the time. When it comes to jigsaw art, I think eventually puzzles would start looking more and more similar. And also, I’m all in for supporting the real artists!!! 😄
I am in a similar field and agree. I love, love, love companies that support people - artists. It's important to me.
I'm not in this business, but I totally agree with you!
That is because an artist isn't generating the images. Some who thinks they can mimic an artist is using it. AI has no creativity. The artist has to provide it.
My sister was an artist, and she loved jigsaw puzzles. She would have enjoyed working this one! It's beautiful!
The art / craft split is frequently along gendered and racial lines. Women and people of colour historically often didnt get to engage with traditional modes of art, and their creativity was expressed through craft. The River Bend quilts are amazing, and are as much an expression as a fine art painting. I hope that the advance of AI will encourage greater appreciation of human skill. AI can't make one of the winners at last weekend's Festival of Quilts. It couldn't even make a beginner's first attempt.
For awhile I was really into creating with digital scrapbook elements. I see a parallel - I had a concept or feeling I wanted to express and used other's images to do so. I do like the puzzle they created for you. Your quilt analogy was spot on. Some are art, most are craft. I'm also thinking of Lisa Frank products. They easily could be ai generated. Not that I consider them art. My point being there is alot of imagery already that is not art but still has value. Thanks for opening the discussion 🌻🍄 (Hmm, emojis...)
Brilliant! Such a fascinating and important topic! Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful presentation of the issue and for sharing some AI-generated puzzles with us. Your "Synchronized Swimmers and Old Banjo Man at the Swamp" puzzle came out really well. The style is somehow simultaneously familiar and like nothing you've ever seen before. That's the feel I often get with AI images. I am not really excited about them and I can't quite say why. But your discussion of wanting to connect with the story behind an image resonated with me. Ultimately, I'd like to learn more about humans through arts & crafts. I'm just not sure AI can do that (yet?). PS - Love how you always shout-out other youtubers who have done similar videos or puzzles. Thanks for being such a kind and generous member of this online puzzling community!
An amazing and interesting discussion! My sister as an author has thought about this too. It’s very relevant in self-publishing, although I think it’s further and better in jigsaws.
It also lends itself well to the book I’m re-reading right now: Never Let Me Go which discusses similar themes. I won’t spoil how though as some might want to read it and I think there’s a special «first time blind» experience with that book in particular I wouldn’t have missed for the world.
But it all leads to discussions of moral and ethics and are both fascinating and terrifying. I do think this in the long run might lead to us as humans being less than we were, not more. I’m not sure. I see the good too, it’s s tough balance.
I love everything about this video! Thank you for taking the time to break down all the elements of creativity. We will never use AI because it is our mission to support and promote artists. But every business has its own thing! #supportartists #buyartwhenitspeakstoyou Cheers! Marcia
I would have love to hear from some puzzle artist illustrators in this discussion. Only having the view point of the company earning money from ai art or you as the puzzler, left an important voice out from the discussion.
Thank you, that’s a really good point. Perhaps a follow up video is in order 🤔
Love the second puzzle image.
Interesting video and well done. This has definitely become a concern in different aspects of the art world. This has become a concern in the community of adult coloring. There are many fantastic illustrators who create art work for adult coloring books. Some books are showing up on the market with illustrations similar to those created by licensed artists but are AI generated. If the fact that the artwork is AI generated and made known to the consumer, then it's up to them to decide if they want to make the purchase. Not every company is being up front with that information.
That’s a really good point, perhaps companies should be required to label their products that use AI art 🤔
Great video, thank you. It was very informative. I will say, though, that I really like the puzzle box from CreaMindsLabs. It's a simple, yet almost elegant design. As for the puzzle itself, it was a unique and fun idea to put the synchronized swimmers jumping into a swamp with alligators while an older man is playing a song on the banjo. Too fun! LOL
I was just wondering, as I worked on my latest puzzle, what kind of image I would create for a puzzle. Now I know that if I actually come up with one there's a place I can go to have it made for me. 😊 It will definitely be interesting to see how the whole AI vs artists issue shakes out. Personally, I will always fall on the side of the human creator.
Very well thought out and spoken video! Until I fully realised how AI art/text/images/photos were generated, I wasn’t all that concerned. Now however, I am. There is a place for AI - like advances in the medical field. I just don’t feel it’s necessary in art/writing, at least not until the people whose work these programs are being trained on have given permission for their work to be used and are properly compensated. Thank you for the shoutout and linking to my video. I know you were gifted the puzzles but I would love to hear your thoughts on their pricing knowing that the images are AI generated. That Unreal Puzzle is 98NZD (free shipping) and my understanding is that they don’t do any further alterations to the artwork. It’s a very fitting topic at the moment with the strikes going on in California. 💜🧩
I tend not to discuss pricing a lot, because everyone is going to have their own opinions on what they’d be willing to pay for a puzzle. Thoughts on Unreal’s prices: I haven’t asked Unreal about where their pricing comes from, but I do know that their puzzles are printed and cut individually when you order, which always increases the price. If they switched to a model where they do a large printing and keep inventory on hand, they could probably get their prices down, but they likely couldn’t offer as many designs as they do. (And because their AI designs are less expensive and laborious to produce, why not offer a lot of them?) Again, these are just my guesses. Plus the free international shipping.
Art. Performing, visual and literary. Good rhetoric,videography and stage presence on your part. Litmus test. Tatoos. Some are beautiful up close. At a distance all disfigure. Glad you aren't a robot - even if it were possible.
I really enjoyed this video. I do a variety of making (knitting and crochet, digital illustration, painting, music), and you hit on the element that makes some of my creations feel like art while others don't -- expression. For me, I find a lot of AI art to be beautiful, sometimes even evocative and haunting and captivating, and as an artist, I have tried generative AI myself and used my own prompts to produce some images that I love the look of. But the absence of expression isn't a neutral thing to me. It actually detracts from my good feelings about the piece. It's uncanny and makes me a little sad. I mean -- and this might be a silly comparison -- paintings I've seen done by dogs and elephants still feel like art to me. That painting is an expression of the animal's engagement with the person helping them, and of the elements of challenge and play. What's missing from AI art isn't people. It's connectedness and realness. It's life. It's being alive. In the space between prompt and image, there is something that feels to me like it washes off everything art requires. It feels like a conveyor belt. I know not everyone feels so strongly that expression in art is paramount, but you asked for our thoughts, and those are mine. Thank you again for the great video.
Oh Dan, I think you’ve opened up a hornets nest in our puzzle home. We are vehemently against AI, especially when we buy our puzzles. For us the real joy is the ‘connection’ with another living being, who has created the art we are reconstructing. We think AI will be similar to e-books in that a niche will open up for it but not the whole entire industry. We have just recently bought an art piece from an artist we tracked down after doing her beautiful puzzle and researching her on the internet. Thanks for a thought provoking video and as always be well and happy puzzling. M
Interesting video! Enjoyed hearing your thoughts and from the puzzle company creator
This issue has also come up in the diamond painting world as well--I'm definitely seeing more AI art "in they style of" living (often struggling) artists that companies could actually license from. I prefer to support people who are artists, especially in the context of puzzles and diamond paintings.
But you made some great points that I hadn't yet considered! Thanks for the thought-provoking video.
Yes, I think that’s the thing I’m most uncomfortable with
I thought it sounded interesting to have a puzzle created from my ideas, but then I saw the price. It did make me think about putting items I own in a unique arrangement, taking a picture and then making a puzzle.
I like that idea!
It's an interesting and complex subject. As you said A.I. learns from images that it is presented with, it cannot, at the moment, generate images from its own 'brain'. If all artists learned to use A.I. then the images created will be from their own minds. These images can then be sent to puzzle companies to make into jigsaws. A.I. does not have feelings so that again would come from a human mind. Would A.I. create a lot of unemployed artists? All we can do is wait and see.
It is actually funny that Crea Minds refered to Photoshop as an old fasion way :)
Haha I hadn’t thought about that 😆
AI isn't art, it's theft.
Artists and writers never consented to having their work used to copy and bastardize.
It's a big part of the SAG/AFTRA strikes too.
A very important discussion. The thought "we don't have words to express" is probably the most interesting.
As for art: I never got the point of realistic art. In most cases, it means nothing. The artistic skill is great, but what exactly does the Mona Lisa mean? Would van Goghs pictures be known without his tragic life (or better said, the tragic situation that Md. van Gogh found herself after Vincent and his brother died shortly following one another, leaving a pennyless widow with children).And this is the point: we humans are good at telling stories. This is where the art is, imho. AI won't take that, as the human experience is unique to us.
I don't think Van Gogh is a good example for this. His works are now mainly known for his style of painting. So I do think the pieces could've been discovered later on too. Of course the tragic story helps but if there hadn't been something special about it, we wouldn't know them today. I've been at the Van Gogh museum and there is something about the art pieces that does evoke feelings (at least for me).
A lot of well known artists are either known mainly for their style or because they were a pioneer is some way. Think of all the paintings of nobility and royalty made several 100s of years back. We probably have records of who made them but I wouldn't know one of their names if you asked me because most of them though very skilled are just that: very technically skilled in portraits but there's not much else there.
I dont care if its art i care if its ethical. Which is why i hate picasso. It doesnt make what he created not art but its not ethical.
AI is a tool for artists. Anyone can take a photograph. Not everyone can take a good photograph. Even fewer do award winning work. Would you say no photographer is a real artist because they didn't create whatever they photographed? What about photoshop created images?
Most of the AI art I see is like a 5 year old with a camera. That is all your image is. It doesn't just lack meaning. It lacks purpose. Or rather its purpose was for this video. Ultimately the court of public opinion will be the judge.