Can You Beat Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne WITHOUT the Protagonist?
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One of the most recognizable aspects of Shin Megami Tensei nocturne is the overwhelming strength of its protagonist. The demi fiend is easily the most powerful unit in the game thanks to his fully customizable stat sheet and moveset. So much so that many players have beaten the game entirely with the protagonist alone. This is a pretty impressive feat on its own but I’ve never seen anyone try to do the opposite. We all know that the demi fiend is a nigh-unstoppable force, and it’s a reputation that Atlus themselves have acknowledged multiple times. But I’ve always wondered how well the different demons you can obtain stack up in comparison. Sure the demi fiend is cool and all, but the other demons are a lot better than what people give them credit for. Can you beat shin megami tensei nocturne without the protagonist?
Just like always let’s go over our rules first so we’re all on the same page. Rule number 1: The demi fiend cannot perform any actions in battle other than pass his turn. This includes using items and summoning demons. If it takes a press turn icon, then it’s banned. However, I’m also going to be banning the use of counterskills. While sure they’re just passive skills and don’t always go off, the animation accompanying them straight up plays the standard punching animation which, to me, invalidates the run. But in the same vain, magatama changing and other passive skills are totally fair for the sake of keeping him alive. Rule number 2 is that I’m allowed to use save states. Obviously, I won’t be using them in the middle of fights but I will plop one down at the start of a boss battle to save me having to redo a bunch of content in case I die. Rule number 3 is no new game plus for obvious reasons. Rule number 4 is that I have to get the true demon ending, also for obvious reasons. And finally, rule number 5 is that this run has to be completed on hard mode. As for my version of choice, I’m going to be attempting this run with the North American PlayStation 2 release of the game. This is mostly because of one very specific difference that made me choose it over the Chronicles release, but I’ll talk about that much later.
Can You Beat Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne WITHOUT the Protagonist? Welcome to my Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne challenge run video. in this Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne challenge run, Nam's Compendium will be asking the question can you beat Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne without the protagonist. This Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne challenge run video is not a Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne review or Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne Analysis but it does serve as a Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne in 2023 video. This Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne challenge run was uploaded in commemoration of the somewhat recent Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne PC port which is a great way to experience the game. Nam's Compendium has a Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne analysis and Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne review in the past, but can you beat Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne without the protagonist is very different. If this video does well, expect more Persona challenge run videos and Shin Megami Tensei challenge run videos in the future. - Hry
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Hey dude, just wanted to apologise for my comment on Deus's post. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, it was just a hell of a coincidence and I was curious.
Thank you for all of the great content, hope to see more like it in the future.
Keep on keepin' on 😁
Also, hard mode?!?!
GIGACHAD
@@THEPERSONA3RELOADISREALLLL Hey it's no problem. I'm thankful that we managed to get everything cleared up!
I always find it funny that those game sponsors apparently has to include stupid emotes.
Not available in my region. Well, whatever, will pirate later, looks interesting enough.
We actually tried something very similar on stream by hacking the Demi Fiend out of existence; if this run is half as interesting as that one was, this video is going to be a riot. Great job, my dude!
oh hey guys nice to see you here
Yoooo
The kings are here 🙌
I was just about to mention you guys in the comments and I see this.😂😂😂
you don't even need to hack, the PC version of HD has a glitch where you can use your mouse to "return to stock" demons that are already in your stock. Press down+leftclick enough times and you can dismiss the Demifiend to your bench, the only way to get him back is randomly with Beckon Call
The fact that you and Deus decided to release a video on the same niche game on the same challenge and on the same day is just facinating, it's Cat Concerto VS Rhapsody Rabbit levels of coincidence
Edit: Looks like Deus delayed the release of the video, he just said on the community post a while ago
Where is the video by Deus? He released a nocturne challenge a few months back but I can’t find the video you’re describing
@@jacksonbrickmedia939he was going to release it today, but ran into rendering trouble, you can see a community post on his channel about it
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 He said in a community post he will release the video today, if I am not mystaken
Just wait until the end of the day, I guess
@@jacksonbrickmedia939I don't think it's out but it's supposed to come out soon.
Niche game? Really?
"It's almost enough money to put a down payment on a Vancouver apartment."
Ooh, so darn true! It's pretty much impossible to live on your own around here.
44:30 correct: it's not a glitch that he can spam Beast Eye, he just for whatever reason doesn't have a limit to the amount of times he can cast it in a turn, unlike every other enemy. It's just completely random whether he stacks them a bunch and wipes you; he's not actually calculating how many press turns he needs to get a kill or anything. That's also why some of the viral videos of him show him continuing to spam Beast Eye even he's already rammed the maximum amount of press turns at one time.
@@paul.1337no it’s just a mistake
@@paul.1337 It seems to be working exactly as intended because it's been maintained in the remaster of the game and every other version. It's also literally the only interesting thing about Mot as a boss. If it wasn't intended he would be puzzlingly simply and boring to fight. Everything points to it being an intentional design choice, not a glitch.
@@paul.1337 And the Maniax version and the PAL and NA versions (which for countless other games DO feature bug fixes).
And you can laugh at the Zio weakness and say any part of Mot is bad design, but yes that probably was the dev thought process and doesn't affect what is intentional or not.
Bosses with no weaknesses = hard.
Boss with weakness(es) = give them something more interesting to spice them up.
One thing to note. If you want to do this challenge (or just play the game) on Hard mode, but the increased shop prices turn you off from it. The HD remaster let's you switch difficulty mid-game, so you can simply change the difficulty to normal whenever you need to shop for items, then switch back to hard mode
Love it when games do that, it helps so much
poor guy didn't use stone gaze on white/red rider's minions.
dis and valkyrie also have tetraja and absorb fire it's like they were made for white rider
I remember using Dis' Tetraja because I wanted Onkot to evolve and he wasn't inmune to expel, that battle made me realize how Tetraja worked as well
It's pretty funny that Demi-Fiend is considered the most powerful playable in the game because it only becomes true in the late game. Even then, if you ignore items (yes they technically make him unbelievably OP) he's only the best DPS so he's definitely replaceable. Having a dead slot on the team, though, is pretty tough.
That said, he's definitely a lot better than most other SMT protagonists.
Yeah late game nocturne just becomes the "demo fiend show with healers, buffers and debuffers".
This is something I do have problem post nocturne gameplay wise where the avatar becomes best attacker and everyone plays support. Thankful later games persona 5 and smt 5 have made party members and demons be more on part with protagonist.
Yeah friekugel is absolutely nuts lol
I'm so glad Atlus evolved past their "Hard mode means higher prices!" phase. It completely ruins Hard mode in both Nocturne and Persona 3, especially since in Persona 3 Compendium prices are *quadrupled*
LMAO wtf
Is it like early SMTIV or worse?
@@Fermin-hw5pd You mean how grindy SMTIV is early on? Much, MUCH worse. I did a 100% run of P3 FES a few months ago on Hard and you have to get so much money to fuse good enough Personas for the Tartarus bosses. It also contributed towards making a perfect Orpheus Telos to fight Elizabeth with a several dozen hour long hell.
@@AnaverdGaidenyeah… playing portable on hard trying to all social links, and a level 2 pixie costing 12 thousand yen… I just go to easy mode to buy personas.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy Aw man, they kept thst in P3P? I thought it was only in the PS2 version.
the Demi-Fiend isn't the only one who can summon demons out of your stock. Baphomet learns a skill that can summon them out too & it can be passed on to others but I think it's random with who gets summoned & with how difficult the run already was I'm sure you didn't have an extra skill slot for something like that.
you're right, deus used it in his video
Just a quick mention, not sure if it was pointed out, but it is possible for demons to summon other demons. You need a demon with the skill Beckon Call, and there's 5 available(Baphomet, Okuninushi, Efreet, Ongyo-Ki, and Mot). They're transferable too, but the stock demon summoned is random. But you won't have to worry about using only the 3.
In the Chronicle version on Hard mode, Lucifer's Root of Evil move also becomes a dekaja. So not only does he have more HP, his phase 3 move becomes even more dangerous.
There's a CZcamsr called Deus who's about to release his own No Demi Fiend run but he modded the demi fiend out of the game, can't wait to see how different these are going to be
I literally saw his community post about it, and then I saw this video right underneath and was like “oh wow the timing lol”
Wait he is??? That’s awesome
wasnt modded out, used a glitch to send him to stock
@@mitchellgilbert2789 this comment was made before the video was released so only had to go off the community posts
What the heck, now it's actually Pokémon but insane
52:44 Yeaaaah, about that.There's a skill called Beckon Call that does just that.
10:43
Btw for future Nocturne exploits, Matador only uses Red Capote when at +0 agility, so just Sukunda 3 times and Sukukaja on yourself and he won't cancel it
There's actually a glitch on the PC version that lets you remove Demifiend from the party permanently by returning him to the stock using the mouse instead of button inputs. My friend was streaming it and it accidentally happened to him and he saved afterwards, and there was no way to undo this glitch, at least not that we could find.
I believe you can summon from the stock and it would eventually summon Demi Fiend. Deus did this in his no Demi Fiend run and summon him a few times from the stock.
@@nosoundsgalDeus used Beckon Call, which has a chance of summoning DF. DF does not display in stock and therefore cannot be recalled normally
55:45 actually only the Raidou version has it. If you play HD with the Dante DLC, he works just like regular Maniax.
54:12 Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne would never take advantage of our innate gullibility!
48:18 Walking around the map with lucky find deserves a shoutout. It requires almost zero attention and still generates cash pretty fastn
You and nayrly got the co-op sponsorship.
i will forever applaud the SMT community for wanting to consistently go through torture for the internets amusement.
Truly the fanbase of all time
(jokes aside this is impressive as always)
You learn some good stuff from these, too. Take Nyarly’s no buffs run: followed his lead in giving Demi-Fiend a physical build when I played Nocturne, and damn did I fall in love with that build.
Smt fans always have daily cbt
@@isenokami7810Physical is what 99% of players should aim for.
currently playing nocturne only with the jack bros! I am 3 hours in and want to quit.
SMT 3 Challenges are always entertaining. Great vid, nam. Thanks!
Think this video is the only one I've ever seen that has an actual cool sponsor. Like, Wanted Dead looks sick.
Good work my guy! You deserve it!
7:27 50:28 Sonic '06 moment lol. Also maybe update the description or pinned comment to have an epilepsy warning once Mother Harlot appears
One thing you could have done Nam with the MP problem against Lucifer is for your demons to have Life Drain, which Incubus learns and can transfer to elementals and then to Mitama demons as you're fusing your end game party.
I forgot that that your skills gained through fusion is semi random in the PS2 version and only really works in the HD remaster.
@@BlackFlameKamui503 also lucifer resists almighty skills, so in deus's new video he went from draining 300+ to just 30
both Nam and Deus uploading the same vid at the same time be dope
Great job on this run Nam! Also, do you think SMTIV is possible without Flynn?
Will you ever stream Nocturne Hardtype? that mod is amazing with the additions of skills from the newer games as well as balanced QOL stuff that give the game an entirely new experience.
Awesome video btw man, you always put quality content.
I would LOVE to see a hardtype stream from Nam
GG& Congratulations
It's kinda impressive that you was able to do it on hard no less since it's ur first time playing on hard
Dues was also gonna drop this type of run of nocturne as well but he had rendering issues,it would’ve been dope to see two different runs with the same goal in one day 😩
it's out bro! it's great:)
34:04 come on
Say its name
It was smart of him not to attempt to 😂
what's wrong with black sun??
@@mikeysaurlolit’s not sol niger is it.
DemiFiend: All right Party I am going to take my vacations with my pal Dante. You will have to survive without me for a while. Pixie you are in charge while I am gone!
Kagatsuchi wasn't kidding, that light WAS infinite
you can get a soma and sacred water in the vending machines before the tutorial fight (the one in yoyogi train station where you start in, and the second one in the hospital prior to the conception) that way you can sell those items to get a decent amount of macca to get those magatamas
Yeah, I am playing through this on Hard mode, first time, and going for the TDE. And it is on the HD Remaster. But great video!
TFW when you become a True Demon by doing nothing at all lol
Wait wait wait…. So, I’ve never completed nocturne right? (It’s on my list so….) BUT… if Demifiend takes Lucifers army to defeat God…. Then SMT V happens….. SMT V IS ALL DEMI FIENDS FAULT!?!?
So I won’t spoil, but early game it explains the basics, and God is dunzo, and Luci is all bleergh demons, AND THEN Demifiend appears as the DLC ultimate super boss….. 😳
I don’t care if this is correct it is OFFICIALLY MY HEAD CANON! Thanks for explaining that ending! And great job on the run 😁
Great stuff! I love watching challenge runs and I am so glad that you was able to do it!
Random tip more people need to know to cheese the first 2 riders you can turn the Minions to stone if you have stone gaze
One thing I've always wondered about Nocturne is if it's possible to, like, go through the Assembly of Nihilo *before* the Mantra raid it.
Or like tell Gozu-Tennoh to go jump off a cliff and have to deal with the Mantra while you're there. Been through that part of the game like 4-5 times and legit looked for an option like that.
IM LITERALLY A DAY LATE FOR PS5 DISCOUNT ON WANTED DEAD DAMN IT
The way I got uneasy when you said a dungeon got hate was unreal. I just knew you were going to explain an actual annoyance. At least you have good advice throughout the run.
Amazing, just watched This, and both Persona party only back to back. With such can I recommend that you cap off the Persona trio with a Vanilla P5 run with these rules? I know from personal experience futzing around with the Royal version the AI isn't bad, and Baton pass could be interesting to see how they use it, or just throw it away and always spam it to Joker. Still, can't wait to see what comes next!
You have inspired me to try beating the game in general. Might have to emulate it tho
Or use the Switch version. Especially Nightmare mode.
I emulated it and had 0 issues on pcsx2, downloaded the iso from Wowroms if you are curious
I’ve never seen this game, I always thought Dante was like some secret boss and not like a major threat in the story???? They weren’t lying when they said featuring
Every time I see a video with a title like this, I always think the same: "Okay, but why would you want to do that though?"
To simulate Autoerotic Asphyxiation.
Blitzball is coming...
"Victory, victory, victory!"
- the Besaid Aurochs
The single thing I want to comment on is how I'm kinda annoyed to hear how people keep calling the True Demon the "true" ending of the game. That ending was ADDED in the maniax version and then carried over to the western release. If anything, it's the SECRET ending of the game. Amala Labyrinth is the optional dungeon along with its challanges, includng Lucifer. He's not a "true final boss" , but just an additional challange, a super boss, if you will. The Freedom ending is obviously intended true ending of the game. Even if it's shallow and I hate it like many people also do.
Any ending can become true depending on the developers and the sequels/allusions referencing said ending which make it canon in return.
isn't TDE the true ending because of smt 5?
it's funny how all these challenge runs show is how easy it is to break the press turn system, how overpowered buffs/debuffs are, and how overpowered focus is. i want to see these types of challenge runs but with more imposed limitations.
I'd love to watch this video, but haven't beaten 3 yet
i played this on normal, and mother harlot was a very funny fight for me.
it was early morning, i wasn hanging out with a friend as i was fighting her, i was fully buffed, fight been going well but then i saw the time. work was about to start and i didnt eat yet. so i decided on a funny meme strat. demifiend blocks, cause he was physical, rest mana drain exclusively, since in nocturne it also does hp damage.
then i set it to auto which was set to auto memory so it repeats that. while i was making my food i hear her die. i couldnt believe that this actually worked
It's hilarious that you didn't get charmed or had to heal, but...auto memory? You can set the auto button to repeat skills...?
yeah its a hd remaster feature in the settings. and tbh thats the other fun part. demifiend was basically immune to her shit but he couldnt hur her either. and the drain, since it was life not mana drain, or energy drain as its later called, heals too. @@Fermin-hw5pd
@@Flutterdark_ Okay, I think it's also a thing in Digital Devil Saga, so I wad asking because I thought I played Nocturne and completely missed the existence of such a useful feature
yeah i think dds added it properly and nocturne got it with hd remaster. just gotta check the settings for it. @@Fermin-hw5pd
love the Vancouver ref
How was I watching this and not realizing it was Nam damn I'm dumb
You can glitch DF off your party on the SMT3 HD Remaster. After that, you're free to actually do a no-DF run, albeit with the inability to use items and perform negotiations. You still can only have 3 demons in party, so a demon should have Beckon Call in its movepool to fill that slot. Do note Beckon Call can resummon DF and throw your run away
You probably could but I think it may be harder than Pong on PS1
Nothing is harder than Pong the Next Level
@@NamsCompendiumcan you completely Pong: The next Level without the protagonist?
Daisoiju is one of the best fiends and demons overall.
One main strat i did on hard is just drain mp from everything.
Majority pf the fights become pathetic once they camt cast
what about Lucifer, only like 1 person had ever drained ALL of his 65k mana pool, check out Deus' demifiend only challenge :)
@mikeysaurlol it's very doable.
But takes longer.
*not as viable with him due to how long it takes.
@@argoth231 fair enough, but yeah, luci resists almighty so the most you can drain is like 24 when he's fully debuffed
Always nice to see more SMT challenges
Shoutout to the sponsor, ambitious to include a Karaoke minigame with one singular song
anyway back to Nam's hell
isnt ramen the same minigame?
Deus is gonna be pissed when he sees this
I personally always get a Preta and Will-O-Wisp at the beginning of the game because of Fog Breath from Preta and Makakaja from Will-O-Wisp.
can you beat strange journey without the pro- oh wait you basically already do that anyways
Thank you Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne! :D
You know you could cheese the Riders by petrifying their minions? I think only the Pale Rider's Loas are immune to that.
There's a glitch on the pc version that allows you to remove demi-fiend from the party fyi
What's the ost at the start of the video? I've heard before but I forgot where it was from/it's name
It's just called "Sound test" from the SMT Nocturne soundtrack. Should be easy to find!
for metatron he spams dekaja/kunda in phase one but then he forgets he has them
Lmao at the Van apartment prices dig 😂
i saw the title and was like "there is no way that he is doing this on hard mode"
well guess i was wrong lmao
Woah they made Devils Third 2
Video is interesting and all, but couldn’t you download the mod to have game full screen?
i hate how you cant really run a magic demi fiend if you want to do tde all because pierce doesnt affect magic. if it did, like later games, then magic and physical would be rather balanced with eachother in this game.
yeah strength is broken in nocturne, though it is in most smt games, smt 4 and 5 too mostly
@@mikeysaurlol usually strength and magic share a wierd balance with eachother. strength gets the raw numbers, but magic often can take advantage of weaknesses and generate more turns as a result.
pre smt4 physical skills also have the downside in some peoples eyes that they cost hp.
in smt 4 it takes very long to get good strength skills from what i hear and since nothing has defense, and you need mp to use physical skills anyway, people just go magic in that game since energy drain can not only kill enemies but also restore your entire mp pool in like one use.
smt5 is pretty good at the balance act, but sadly really encourages you to pick 2 elements rather then being the versatile being that mages usually are. and even then the final boss just gives you a big f u to your magic build.
dds in that regard was godly for strength and magic players. simply because of the ability to change your skillset whenever. that allowed mage players to focus on an element on a per fight basis, allowing you to min max and get the weaknesses. something you cant do in 5 cause its near impossible to get some of the endgame essences back.
@@Flutterdark_ you have some good points yeah, physical skills still cost HP in persona though right? when i played persona 4 i thought it was all pretty balanced because for the main character you can swap to a magic focused persona to get extra turns, and by far the character that did the most damage wasn't even my physical mc, but it was yukiko with her severe fire skills
yeah in persona they cost hp but in persona stuff also feels way more balanced because not only can mc switch, but also late game enemies just dont give you extra turns at all. and since you can swtich mid fight you dont ever feel locked into anything. in general i like these games alot more when i can adapt to the situation. not be completely f'ed cause a boss NULLS MY ENTIRE FUCKING BUILD and i cant change it (looking at you smtv final boss) yes i know smt5 gave everyone piercing skills but when the strength mc gets A SEVERE ALMIGHTY STRENGTH SKILL and magic gets JACK FUCKING SHIT it sucks. (megidolean doesnt count its damage sucks) @@mikeysaurlol
@@Flutterdark_ very fair points, though im playing smtv for the first time right now and going for a strength build lmao, maybe a good middleground would be a mix between persona and smt? i had an idea recently thats similar to equipping persona's but instead you as the protag can transfer your soul into demons???, and your full party is demons, like in deus' video of a similar challenge where he got rid of demifiend with a glitch and it changed it so that the demon in the first slot became the character that if they die you get a game over, i personally really like building a protag for the whole game, but i feel like how persona does it is a good mix between both seeing as you can always change, maybe they can just have a story where you play as demons the whole time and its like smt4 where the whole party needs to die for a game over, i think it'd be sick if you can choose your main character and change it from a bunch of demons, almost like starter pokemons lmfao
Excellent video!
They should add a demi-fiend fight in the next persona game
Dropping an hour of peak? just like that? absolutely UNBELIEVABLE! >:[
The entitled demon run
Despite me using the Switch version (and my first was SMT4), I can understand why this entry is so beloved by the community.
It was a hidden gem almost 20 years ago
It may not be the best game out there, but I really like it, specially because of how old it looks, seriously, there's something about how dated it looks that I love, it could be that it's on 3d but V is also in 3d I don't have the same feelings for it
oboeshoesgaming has a pretty good video of Wanted Dead if the sponsor caught your attention
Id watch a death counter run 😂😂
I haven't watched this yet but i better see dante
...ok now i have a new question.
...how do you game over?
Yes, unleash hell my demons....
Why i can hear devil trigger around 1:00:19? good video btw
lmao sick wanted dead sponsorship, that game is awesome
Probably a ton of ppl told u already but if u pay the dante dlc for the HD remaster luci won't heal and root of evil won't remove buffs and debuff
seems like Deus managed to make it possible
>amaterasu
>him
About that...
Haven't watched yet but I suspect it's not that bad if you make an ultra tanky build focusing on making demifiend as hard to kill as possible. I remember trying to play a run kinda like that though I never finished it but mostly cause I got bored lol. Though it wasn't a challenge run more like a quirky build run so I could still use items and do other useful actions which made things a lot easier.
Still, the press turn system kinda makes massing not that bad as long as you aren't passing a flashing turn, and since losing demifiend is your loss condition having him be built purely for survival can make the game easier in some ways. Though losing combat items and the ability to switch up your team in combat AND to negotiate (that's a big one) is probably going to make some part of the run really tough. I suspect the early and late game will be the rough part but the vast majority of the game should be fine once you get going.
Oh right, pixie can immediately negotiate too, forgot about that, assumed you'd have to do some compendium shenanigans to get a full team
No man, on SMT 3 HD he consistently heals himself at around 15% and he will consistently debuffs u with RNG. The trick was to just become automatic. I used demi fiend commands but I was consistently defense buffed, debilitated him every round, had a party null to ailments, and 2 pierce attackers. Just keep doing it over and over and eventually he gets risky and forgets to fully heal himself, that's when u take him out. (Of course I'm talking about TDE hard mode - Lucifer fight)
Without protagonist kinda remind me devil children series where you can fight only your devils
"for obvious reasons"
... No... I mean, to people who played the game, maybe. But I haven't, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
SMT3 but it's an escord quest.
"Man what the fuck"
I hope hardtype makes its way to pc hd sometime. Also why did they do that with Lucifer? The fuck. I was super interested why you did that version specifically.
GG
Uh why do I feel like Ive seen this lol
I don't have the guts to play Nocturne on hard mode
This is impossible right off the bat. Just being there means he’s absorbing targeted attacks, and you can’t have him dead because you instantly game over if he does.
Ten Thousand Deaths Later
Not gonna lie it’s a bit surprising to hear that you haven’t beaten nocturne on hard mode
43:03
Sinai is pronounced Sigh-Nigh. I've seen enough Naked Archaeologist Episodes to know this.