TOP FUEL MOTORCYCLE GONE WRONG!
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- It’s the thrilling final round of the Top Fuel Motorcycle drag racing season and you won’t believe what goes wrong as the best Top Fuel Nitro Import and Harley racers battle at NHRA’s South Georgia Motorsports Park. In this video we see a major Top Fuel Motorcycle explosion, a pass gone wrong when crossing the centerline, a recovering Larry “Spiderman” McBride, some great side by side racing and we debate a rule that ultimately decides the championship. Watch as Dave Vantine, Mitch Brown, Sam Wills, Reggie Saito of Japan, Chris Hand and Walter Halonski go for the Top Fuel Bike Win!
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Line up slightly right - LOL til they figure whats pulling it left !!!!
Just found this great channel,,,,,,,,,, will be here every time. I love it! When I raced in the 70's ON a bye run we held lane or DQ. Times change,,, btw I loved all the ones that took the flag! Mitch did pill one out,,,,,, great skills! TY
There's only two rules that really matter in drag racing.
1- Don't leave early
2- Done cross the center line
Tough deal for those guys figuring out why the bike won't go straight, but you just can't have vehicles that won't go straight
and really happy for Dennis' team w/ what Tood and Mitch are doing, that's great to see them doing well!
They did great. Have you ever seen them in person?
@@cycledrag oh definitely and helped on Todd's promod years ago :)
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lol, also I'll see Sam at the gas station on occasion (outside the track naturally, lol) and talk for a few, etc.
Mitch 'it ain't over 'til it's over' Brown, awesome. This event was a credit to everyone involved; Thank you.
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I agree with Dan W to a degree, it appears when it goes into tire shake it seems the slick rides up on its right side. I would make a slick change . Maybe a slower reel on the tape may show if the suspension is twisting alot, but you can see the left side of the tire never peaks.
Top coverage,as usual- you’re a great host,super knowledgeable and enthusiastic,thanks for this upload brother! I usually enjoy watching with a beer and a spliff,btw!🤣🤣
Sunday is my only day off from work and I love spending my morning drinking coffee and watching Cycle Drag. Great way to ease into the day.
Love watching Spiderman race and the work on that KZ of yours was awesome. Get well Spiderman, miss swing you out on the track hope to see you set some records soon.
Spider-Man sets a record every time he assembles an engine
spot on...great camera work and thanks to Jack, loads of info..these guys are THE heroes of the 1/4 mile, bigger balls than big balls...
" bigger balls than big balls..." not really. Great job of the mechanics, but the driver only needs be react very quickly. Have you ever seen Motorcoyle race on the Isle of man TT? They have balls!
11:07 Great Shot of a run, cool to see someone passionate enough to make it from so far away.
Your the man Jack.. great filming and great short interviews. Love to see these top fuel bikes. Glad to see spiderman. Keep up your great work. Regards.
Huge Spider-Man fan get well Mr. McBride we need ya back and great show Cycle Drag love Topfuel bikes
In 89, during a pause at the Gatornats, I went to Garlits museum, when you walked in, looking at you was one of Sam Wills Top Fuel bikes. I knew I'd like it there.
I speak under correction, Dave is an awesome person and experienced driver. If one watches Larry too once the bike goes South you go with it.
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Why don't you guys come together and help Chris turn his bike to get into the 5 second zone that would be glory to him at his age you think
agree!
He's been there. He just needs some funding and more manpower. I heart some folks are interested in taking over the program. Thanks a lot for watching and following the channel. Which Top Fuel Motorcycle in this video was your favorite and why?
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From the Ancient Semitic:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
The problem is that you can spend over 50k Just getting the head right i can only imagine how much a full build would cost and then you usually have to pull engine down every race day so I would love to try this but I could never afford it, but I imagine that the sponsors absorb some of the cost.
1500 horsepower is crazy, I had no idea they were that powerful,!!¡¡
It looked like Dave felt the bike pulling within 100' and he started to counter act by leaning right almost instantly but the inertia force of the bike was just pulling left hard regardless ! It also looked like the bike jumped hard left at the 100' mark !
You do a great job with this and calling these races Jack! Love the channel! From Alabama!
This guys a born announcer and does one helluva job considering he’s a one man band. I watch and learn a ton because of his work and research. Love the coverage but, to be honest, I probably wouldn’t have continued watching if not for his enthusiasm for what he does. Don’t listen to the few haters 🤨, you keep doing what your doing and your gonna be a huge success and I’ll be able to say I knew you when 😉🏁
Judging from the contact patch on Vantine's bike during that DQ run, it's twisting the rear suspension and putting more weight on the right side of the tire at the big end of the track, and pushing the bike left. Maybe there's a broken strut that's not showing up until it's under power? Just a thought...
Agree, It sure seems mechanical. That covers a lot of territory.
no suspension, but i agree.....the rear tire mount is flexing and steering the bike
I think it’s the pilot
@@canabox7112 and you have raced how many bikes?
@@mattsez2879 a few
Enough anyway
the head nod between riders before burnout is awesome!
My man Jack back with some more great bike coverage
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What do I eat and drink, O'l Lady and Jack Daniel's. 😂
Great coverage, I enjoyed it.
This is just a guess:
Regarding crossing over into the left lane, it would have been helpful if the camera had been located up in the air, perhaps 10 to 15 feet above the track surface, in a fixed position pointing straight down the track from directly behind the racer's staging position, and not turning to follow the racer. Make it follow as closely as possible as though he had a bullseye on his back. Also, use the slow motion setting if one is available.
I think the swingarm is flexing/twisting ever so slightly to start the process. Noting the chain pulls entirely on the right side, producing a cantilever effect on the swingarm. Viewed from above, the bending allows the rear tire to move toward the 11o'clock position, i.e. the front of the bike moves slightly to the right because the rear wheel has turned to the left. As the rider senses this he makes a move to counter/correct for the bending, etc. and by the time he does that the rear wheel is really chewing the track for traction, and staying on the throttle causes it to continue toward the left lane with little correction remaining for the rider to make before he's already in the wrong lane.
I don't know that it would have been any clearer to see what's happening, but I truly think an overhead camera pointing in a fixed direction so everything can be seen with the same fixed eye might reveal the cause. Whatever it is likely happens within the first one or two tenths of a second, i.e. the moment the swingarm is being slammed from a no load condition.
Incidentally, has the same problem ever occurred when he ran in the left lane, and have other racers experienced this problem?
Best wishes, and I hope this helps.
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…….everyone’s always got something to say……it was a suggestion, not an invitation to a fist fight. If you agree with him, smash his thumbs up button. Disagree with me, smash my thumbs down button. That’s all that’s required. False accusations of someone’s reading competence………really???
These machines are not just monster speed they are beautiful art.
Love it
Hi Guys quick observation without knowing the set up; have a look at the wheelie bar wheels, it appears that the left wheel is loading up before the right! This could be a number of things if engine toque is doing this and all other things are equal it could be adjusted to counter it. But it also could be as simple as the left wheelie wheel is not running as freely as the right creating drag, pulling the bike left. I’m sure it is sorted by now.
I never want to see a team put in so much time, money & sweat & then to have an issue at the track. This must be a DQ just for the safety of the riders. What's scary is that if he was in the Left Lane, he'd be aiming for the wall. DQ while you still have a rider & bike, race another day.
Still keep hoping to see something on Russ Collins bikes and exploits.
I'd be focusing my attention to the wheelie bar on his bike hooking to the left. Make sure it's absolutely square to the rear suspension.
It looks to me in slow motion the bike is fighting and rocking on the wheelie bar more then it should .
Once he gets out of the power and the wheelie bar is up he's able to straiten it out a lot more.
All good Jack. Love the patriotism every one was sharing.
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Great video. Great job of commentating, so far. At 8:00 mark, I would guess, frame flexing, for some reason, or uneven traction, side to side, on rear tire, bad tire, or burnout, front, or rear tire not on centerline. I hope the figure out what it actually is. Very interesting to know. At 11:01, I saw a steering damper on a bike, on next run. A simple possibility there, also. On the rules for drifting over the center line, if a bike has shown a tendency to drift the same direction, more than once, maybe twice, in the same event, it presents a strong risk to its rider and to his opponent, in any future side by side runs. Even in a single bike run it points to strong risk in a future side by side run. Rule, or no rule, I can understand the DQ, after several times of drifting like that. I wouldn't want to race him.
I spent my teen years riding my 10 speed up and down the bike path in Southern California when that place was still affordable to live in and 10 speeds were still in fashion. Sometimes while riding with no hands sitting straight up the bike would seem to make up it's own mind which directions we were going. It did the same little wiggle that Vantine's bike did and to me it felt like if I tried to force a turn it would flip.
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If ya build it straight, it goes straight.
Dude singing the Anthem, Thank you. God bless you and your family, including Jack!
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I kinda like the rule the way it is bcuz it gives more meaning to a solo run and forces the teams to be more strategic when deciding to make the solo pass or not. I think every run down the track in a competition should mean something.
Nobody has a choice on a By-run dude... It's part of the rules to keep equal wear and tear on each competitor's machine.... And nowhere in the rules does it say you have to hammer on it... Or how long it takes you within reason just as long as you make the run
In ref to the rules, if you cross the center line it should be a DQ, period. I'm not sure I would let it run, after doing it twice, it's a danger to the person he races or to himself.
These guys are real pros they know step one of spectacular anything is adding nitro into your fuel tank start and hold on for your 50/50 shot of boom or holy sh$?t fast
I think his back wheel alignment is wrong my brother have a funny bike that would do that we had to point it towards the chain just the cone hair and that helped the bike go straight old chassis maybe
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Way to much power and weight to power over....I know...it's happend to me a few times...I did see something metal flying off when he launches... also he was pointing a little left... after seeing the other guys doing it on the oth r runs...I woulda pointed a fraction right...nice job keeping it upright....
I like coffee while watching cycle drag a cup of go go juice!
In ref. to Dave Vantines situation. These rules were originally designed for side by side racing and should be modified for single lane passes or by runs. Jay seems to have lost touch with the spirit of the rules and needs to reevaluate this rule for sure.
Yes' Id like to see Man Cup follow the NHRA rule. Thanks a lot for watching and following the channel. Which Top Fuel Motorcycle in this video was your favorite and why?
Props to the Star Spangled Banner soul brother!!!
Miss my years with Ray Price Harley.
Just love cycledrag and right now I'm sipping Jack Daniels honey, thanks for great entertainment :)
the alignment track is off. rear wheel is pointed left.
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The gyroscope effect is probably causing the bike to cross the lanes. In that case, the driver is doing something to cause it.
I know I used to race at Willowbank Queensland Australia I was told to change my forks in doing so we put the new set in but we didn't set it properly that way it was always pulling to one side after resetting the front forks and adjusting them on the triple tree it now run straight and that is on a super Blackbird which done 223 at 10.2.
I knew a guy who has a cnc shop from Elkhart Ks who had a top fule drag bike. It was red with no stickers, it wasn't a sponsored bike but I rode it a block in idle. I was scared shitless of that thing. But I've always wondered if he ever made anything of that bike.
Gotta tell ya, haven't been with Vantine in a very long time. Since last Adel visit.
showing the bikes helps memake it thru the year Thanks! Next year 5.69 forDave!
Love Larry Mcbride such a stunning demeanor, always kind, I hope he is fully restored in health.
He's the man.
Cycledrag rocks...
Top respect from Belfast Northern Ireland.. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
THE REAR WHEEL SEEMED TO WIGGLE JUST BEFORE HE HOOKED LEFT
Could you put rear steer in a bike like we do on 4 link cars? Love Cycle Drag from Cedar Rapids Ia. Buddies and I all had Kaw triples in the day. Keep On!
Watching from Phnom Penh Cambodia love the nitro cycles
His left Teste was heavier than his right one.......Juuuuuuuuuuuuuust Sayin!
Mitch never quit and the driver won this one! 😀🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
Wondering if it's losing cylinder pressure and it's steering the bike like what happens when a fuel car drops a cylinder!?
Man Mitch sure did ride that beast out 🍺🍺
You got a good little hustle going on here.
pulling to the side could be so many things from the forks to the rear swingarm.
Gota love it Japan rider on a Harley !!
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Are the front forks lined up correctly on a motorcycle on the front if it's lean in one way or the other that might cost him
I’m watching as always from Japan!👍🏾🧔🏾♂️⛩🗼🎌Go‼️CycleDrag!! 🏍💨🏁
Awesome. Are you a Regie fan? Thanks a lot for watching and following the channel. Which Top Fuel Motorcycle in this video was your favorite and why?
@@cycledrag ALL OF ‘EM!! Are my Heroes for continuing to entertain us and promote the sport of Motorcycle Drag Racing!! b(‘_
crossing center line...front wheel of bike is on a slight lean, forks twisted or something..so will always pull left or right..I have three bikes that flip me off on corners because they were damaged beforehand in accident and the forks were ever so slightly bend
Just thought you might like too know, my 2021 Ducati Street Fighter, with Akrapovic full Titanium exhaust MAP upgrade and low restriction air filter Dynoed 207 rear wheel horse 415 lbs and ran a 9.54 1/4 mile ! IMAGINE with a wheelie bar. Getting closer too the 8's for a street bike. THIS bike is my every day transportation ! 9,000 + miles in 10 months..
That's badass
I always thought they should bring more Ducati's to the mix 👍
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@@cycledrag I'm an X HARLEY dealer and Flat tracker THAT should awns er your question lol. My 78 Sportster XLCR,, Cafe Racer, ran 12.00 flat in the 1/4 in 79. I always have too do things differently. OH, I'm just shy of 73. When I take my helmet off, you should see the look on there faces, ESPECIALLY the POLICE,, PRICELESS !! I never try too out run the police, there radios are faster. So they appreciate that. Quiet a few warning tickets. 140 in a 65,, SERIOUSLY
Definitely should no lose on a bye run. Just lose lane choice. Tough for DV and the fans.
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FORMERLY KNOWN AS WELL HOW YOU DOIN HERE. Good show Jack, thanks.
lol thank you
I was expecting a 5 second run. Chris Moore is running 6.30’s @230 mph on a turbo 1000!
I heard when on a square tyre you need to lean the opposite way you want to go. Never ridden one myself though
First, I'm not into motorcycle drag racing. Around the 23:40 mark on your video when he took off, note that his bike when on to the left wheely bar. That tells me his leftward ride was mechanical. Sorry if I don't know the exact reason. Looking at where he launched from, I wonder if the bike would drift right if he had launched from the center of the black line instead of slightly on the right side. It is possible the right side of his tire was gripping or slipping compaired to the left and center of his tire. That could have caused the leftward drift. I really am guessing on that.
im thinking frame flex......left hand drive turns the rear tire right, making you go left
Torque steer is what the slow motion video shows when the bike leaves it 60 straight because of strong left side wheelie bar wheel contact but once it gets up on the tire the input from the wheelie bar goes away because of diminishing Torque leverage over the tire so tire speed is rapidly increasing and so is tire growth thus unloading the wheelie bar and now the front wheel has a say in the matter so with the Torque steer that is being applied the chassis is flexing thus driving the bike left ..if it wheelies the whole length of the track it would go straight...... Larry Spiderman Mcbride has always been my favorite CH3² kind of a home town heroe but I like all bikes the ones that go straight the ones that only turn left the ones that jump and definitely the ones that drive edges of the tires
Ps I grew up in the early 80s on H2s H1s and S3s kawi 3clyndr trips
I love top fuel bikes. Raced normally aspirated bikes for years. Never thought much about it till now so a question. Is what they spray into intake at start up the same fuel they run on?
They start on alcohol, or pump gas, then feed the nitro. It's just too hard to start the engine on nitro alone... nitro is nasty business, and extremely unforgiving...lol...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
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They use alcohol (or gas if cold) since you can't start an engine on nitro and nitro really need to be under compression to light.. but even alcohol motors use the same process.. allows the engine to spins fast enough to run the mechanical fuel pump :) (and on SUPER HUGH compression applications w/ nitromethane) build heat in the motor. .that would be like a/fuel dragster for example.. the blown stuff is preeeeetty lo compression stuff normally)
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Google top fuel dragster starting with nitro in cylinder it’s most impressive that nitro is wicked unstable unforgiving stuff as the other guy said zero room for mistakes there is a certain sequence in how you manage and operate on nitro and there is no room for deviation when you deviate you create a bomb quickly every time like clockwork the guys who run nitro and the guys who work on the cars that run nitro or the bikes do not get enough praise for how crazy that fuel is to use it’s as close to a bomb in a controlled manner that you write down the track as it gets top fuel nitro bikes
Jack, you don't get near the credit you should for Bike coverage. Love the content brother!
First time watching this channel but been an NHRA participant and fan since 1961. I’m really a car guy but Jack, you get the best out of whatever you’re broadcasting, dude! And don’t forget, Brian Lohnes started this way and eventually somebody at NHRA Fox Sports will be searching for another announcer. I offer an example: Buck & Aikman at NFL Sunday. Nothing is forever….
he does a great job
Actually, I found him (both his face & his voice) to be a bit irritating. His fake "clickbait" in the title was irritating too.
@@robinstewart6510 // I agree; just wanted to watch the races. I didn't realize there was a history lesson in between each run.
But, to each his own; there's more racing videos w/o all the talking.
Guys, HERE is Our TRUE Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified/Pierced for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
Check the axle for wear in the frame I feel like the wheel's tilted a slight bit I use to race these bikes and worked with them for years
Rule book is there for a reason. Cross the line, DQ.
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I think they need to check the rear wheel alignment. That can make the bike go left. Also, a bent frame can do it too.
THAT IS THE ANSWER. TO IT PULLING LEFT.
These guys are all on the absolute cutting edge of going this fast on a motorcycle with the biggest set of nuts you’ve ever seen in your life I mean they can’t carry these things on airplanes that guy in the video is basically on a motorcycle 200+ miles an hour and a quarter mile with 2 3 Liter bottles between his legs impressive i’ve heard now in 2022 they’ve actually got a surgery where you can have them on a quick detach system so that’s gonna give them a solid 10or 15 miles an hour 45 lb weight deduction
Set axle axle 1/8th back on right side to compensate drive pull
Yes 1/8" or even 1/4" for that much pull.
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All of them .... incredible talent... mechanic and rider !!!!!
He was slightly leaning toward the left side of the bike "More weight was to the left side of the bick so it pulled it to the left"
GREAT INTERVIEW at 16 minutes with the gal heaping praise on her competitors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As it should be!!!!!!!!!!
I know for a fact people think this guy is a clown but I’m sure he knows how they feel and chooses to confidently stride as himself, love it!
Seen him comment on another video saying “Hey, I may not be for everyone, but thanks for watching.” Had to give him thumbs up for that.
If you don't even need to make the buy run but they disqualify you if you mess up when you do?
That seems kind of stupid because it incentivizes the guys not to run so the fans get less of a show.
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That bike really needs to be sorted. Copping a DQ is a long way from seeing a worst possible outcome in the final
Jack thanks for the hard work hope you can come back to the UK next year
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@@cycledrag unfortunately my favourite bike was not there as a old time crew hand for a top fuel bike 30 years ago there is only one bike Larry Mcbride the spider man
As I said hope you can come back soon especially as the weather was awful last time you came
Rear wheel steering! Rear wheel must be parallel to the left? Right side sprocket pulls wheel to the left (steering).
I have not watched this type of event before. Great coverage. I believe that he should not have been DQ and that rule should change.
Start up position and front tire directional heading. Driver should position the Bike the right way to overcome the Torque inflicted on the bike's frame. ( I experienced the same back in 1989 )
Try changing the whole rear tire and axle ; bearings to the new upgraded stuff or put a steering adapter on the other side and use nitrogen in the tires and have the seat leaning to the right. Jeff Cagle
Brilliant video Jack - well done !
As has been posted, the yellow bikes frame must be flexing somewhere
E- bike world record holder. 235 mph 4.3 second quarter mile.. No noise..
11:13 you ready? you ready? let's go!
That's how you do it!
Dave has an incredible bike. I do not believe his rear is aligned as it pulls left immediately and repeatedly. The left is longer on the swing arm
anthem without kneeling . very good
Awesome like cylone dragster how is the weather
It appears he has been lining up pointing to the left. Right out of the hole the bike just made a straight line going left. It wasn't like it left mid track and drifted, it did it right from the green bulb.
Could the frame be flexing or maybe the wate center line is off ?;
These machines are amazing
We have taken singles in NHRA TA/FC to take parts we just stage take the green and shut it off at the line. Why break something doesn’t pay more to tear things up