Gamerade - Best Video Quality With Old Game Consoles - SCART to HDMI - Adam Koralik
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2013
- 2019 Update: I do not use this device any more, I haven't since 2014. I do not recommend this any longer with current options. This was the best entry level option in 2013, times have changed.
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In this video I will show you a well kept secret about how to get a lot of older game consoles to have the best picture quality. It's the miracle that is SCART and its full RGB signal, and how you can convert it to HDMI in an upscaled 720p or even full 1080p image and make it look astonishingly beautiful. Seriously, it blows my mind how good this looks.
As an added bonus feature, it allows you to convert a PAL video signal to an NTSC one or vice versa.
If you use a device like the Hauppauge HD PVR 2, it will also allow you to easily capture game footage with crystal clear quality.
There are three scart types that should be addressed in the description so that some players aren't disappointed.
1. A scart adaptor - this is not scart - It is simply AV cables in an RCA to scart connection adaptor.
2. A regular scart lead. This is the same as above but with an actual (7 pin) scart connection. Quality wise, it's still just an AV cable.
3. RGB Scart - this is the true high quality scart. Usually 21 pin.
This will work best with the following consoles:
Atari Jaguar
Atari Jaguar CD
Nintendo Super Nintendo (Super Famicom) [original model only]
Sega Master System
Sega Genesis (Mega Drive)
Sega CD (Mega CD)
Sega 32X
Sega Saturn
Sony Playstation (1)
SNK Neo Geo AES
SNK Neo Geo CD
This will not work with anything older such as the Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Nintendo Entertainment System, Colecovision, Famicom etcetera.
Some notable exceptions that do not work because of the limits of the console itself:
Nintendo 64
Super Nintendo Jr
3DO (any model, Panasonic, Goldstar etcetera)
NEC Turbografx 16
PC Engine
Sega Pico
This method is also not worth applying to consoles from the Dreamcast onward as they have more advanced methods of video display. Using this on these consoles will result in a loss of image quality. These consoles include:
Sega Dreamcast
Nintendo GameCube
Nintendo Wii (not including the Wii Mini)
Nintendo Wii U
Microsoft XBox
Microsoft XBox 360
Microsoft XBox One
Sony Playstation 2
Sony Playstation 3
Sony Playstation 4 - Zábava
I followed your advice and got a RGB SCART cable for my PS1 and the same HDMI converter you have in the video. What a difference! I could not believe the difference between it and standard composite. SCART is even a significant step-up over S-video. Once I saw how good a single game (Road Rash) looked, I got excited to start playing all my PS1 classics again.
Thanks for the video man. I never thought I would enjoy my PS1 again. I feel like my comment is a customer success story. lol
@Fifo No. It quit working after a few weeks. I went ahead and upgraded to a Framemeister and never looked back. Although now, I'm probably going to sell that. I don't play my games very much anymore, unfortunately.
I think you should recognize that totally writing off old CRT screens as "crap" and saying that this will look amazing on an HDTV with these converters is a highly subjective statement. I understand that anything less than component is crap and I would never use anything less, but I actually prefer to view lower resolution content on older CRT televisions. CRT screens just do an amazing job at smoothing out the image because the low resolution of the screen more closely matches the resolution of the input.
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Hell I play retro consoles on a CRT with s-video and they look terrific
+Jose Arcadio Morales Just made an entire video about that: czcams.com/video/H0J3ERZ3nTk/video.html
***** Two problems. One, until this comment, you had replies disabled. Hence the way I responded to you initially.
Second, CZcams flagged your second comment as spam, so I'm only seeing it now.
Third, I would see if your TV supports 480i through HDMI input. If it does, then I'd suggest the PS2 to HDMI. No matter what you do don't go with any "RCA to whatever" option. It'll take it from shitty to still shitty. RCA cables belong in one place, a trash can.
+AdamKoralik i have two question so im looking to by the sega 16bit mega drive two its modified with Audio video Rca outputs and led...
my first question...is if i purchase the "modified" sega do i still have to get the scratch converter box in order to get 720p 1080p?? with better definition ?? or do i still need the scart converter for full quality??
+AdamKoralik +AdamKoralik My Scart to HDMI converter (the exact one you unboxed in this video) just stopped working. The power indicator led is coming on but no signal. , and apparently Google+ has been broken by google, or it's being phased out. Who knows?
+AdamKoralik how do I get the converter to work again?
+AdamKoralik I'd like to see you make a video about the XRGB-mini Framemeister. I've heard it's the best thing since sliced bread but is it really that good?
Awesome videos! I'm definitely going with the SCART to HDMI. Glad I caught this video of yours. Looks great! Again, your videos are great to watch. Keep them up. I love how youtube is full of guys like us educating and sharing the love of classic games. They REALLY do not make them how they used to lol.
Thanks for watching dude.
Adam, your CRTs may be out of tune if you think the games look bad on them. Unfortunately, not many people have the specialty tools for working on them anymore. A tuned CRT with a good quality s-video or even just composite cable looks great.
Although your method is a good cost effective way of upscaling your retro game systems to HD. It has some technical faults. As the Upscaler you have takes the RGB image from the system as an interpolated 480i image, instead of the standard 240p that most Sega Game systems use (dreamcast uses 480p). This will cause items that are supposed to use paralaxing. Like strobing items, or clouds and stuff, to look funny.
The upscaler that takes 240p natively and transforms it flawlessly to 720p or 1080p, and is especially good for gaming is the "Xrgb-Mini Framemeister" by Miconsoft. Although you'll have to use JP-21 RGB cables (Japanese cables that look like scart, but are not scart), in order to make it work, or buy an RGB scart adapter for it.
It is upwards of $300us but if you want perfection, that is as good as it gets.
Shenmue III on the Amiga 32 rofl...oh man, before E3 2015, I would have been right there with you, man! And thank you for this video...I have one of these boxes on the way, and it made me feel SO much better about the buy. Subscribed!
This video is really great man; thanks so much for covering this! I honestly hadn't known about RGB SCART at all till now.
Happy to help, thanks for watching!
WARNING!!!!!!!! this device has lag! Depending on your sensitivity, this may be an issue!
Also "Best Quality" would probable be an XRG mini
+zackery chapman Big surprise, it's why I don't bother with convertors in the first place lolI'm incredibly sensitive to it. Best way to play retro consoles? On a CRT plain and simple, fantastic PQ, heavy does of nostalgia and ZERO lag.I tossed my 27" Sony Trinitron(2004 model) which actually had S-Video and component, perfect for the Wii, Gamecube(ect) but I picked up a 1987 Panasonic vintage tube TV because aesthetically speaking it's an awesome fit for the NES and SNES & Genesis, but it's terrible for anything beyond that. which is why I was looking into getting a convertor for my other consoles, but if I have to deal with additional lag, depending on how much there is than forget it. I hear nothing but complaints in regards to delay for all of these convertors.
***** I guess they are ugly... I think they are cool looking. Either way though no lag for old games is a nice feature as well as the games look really good on them. Idk if you have ever seen a retro game on a nice CRT or PVM monitor using something like S-video or RGB Scart cables as posed to component? However it gives a Picture that you can't get on LCD TVs. Obviously you can't really show what a CRT tv looks like on lcd monitors. so it's hard to see the benefits on CZcams.
DOUBLE WARNING!!!!! These things pump out a composite-video quality output when you're scrolling through your games, only static images look okay with one of those "HD video converter".
Edit: Game-TechUS couldn't get one of these to work with c-sync. Sync on composite only gave him a video output. He, and many others, are certain this ONLY takes a CVBS (composite) video signal, and does absolutely nothing with the RGB inputs, which explains why the video quality is atrocious when moving.
to lower the lag it is recomended to hook it to a pc monitor.
Hey Adam. Since this video is 3 years old. Is your scart to HDMI box still working today?
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Awesome video, great explanation of the whole scart stuff and what you need to make these old systems look great. Thank you!
I just wanna say that this video is what got me into subscribing to your channel. I went ahead and bought this box, and can't wait for it to arrive to test out these consoles. You made it real easy to understanding all this scart stuff.
Happy to help, thanks for watching.
Don't buy cheap converters people! You get what you pay for.
I bought a VCR DVD combo unit with s-video,y-pb-br component video output and a progressive scan feature for 1dollar and 50 cents.
@@Ballowax LUCKY BASTARD!
@@Ballowax I used used something very similar originally though I think mine was DVD only. Worked fine for a while but I eventually upgraded to some better albeit more expensive options.
I have a LG 4K TV and no matter what I did I could not get this thing to work, but it did work on my Samsung. Just be cautious depending on the TV you plan on using.
Anthony Iacone 4K TVs seem to have issues with the box.
Hi Adam thanks for this! I just got this exact same setup for my model 1 sega genesis with stereo RGB Scart to HDMI using your suggested video converter.
It works very well!
I'm glad you like it.
this is the best explanation yet to upgrade your video for old systems on a modern led tv thanks a million, please give another video for any updates.
Thanks for watching.
I'll be doing one about the N64 specifically very soon.
@ot4net VGA on the Dreamcast is the only way to go.
RGB SCART is a good choice only for the games that don't support VGA.
***** Would be rather pointless to do that.
***** SCART to VGA is pointless because VGA is already less common. Might as well upscale to HDMI for the same reason you'd upscale from VGA to HDMI.
*****
Personally, I prefer the HDMI adapter.
***** SCART to HDMI should be the better match as Component has color compression while SCART(RGB) doesn't.
Rickard Jonsson
Component analog, yes. Component digital, no.
9:03 in a way they're not wrong since developers started taking color bleeding into account using dithering
Not sure off hand, I don't have one. What kind of connection options does it have on the back? My guess is composite is the best you'll get without modding it.
11:12 Is there any way to turn off the message box in the bottom left corner?
I'm using this scaler for my PlayStation, Gamecube, SNES and Sega Mega Drive. The PlayStation is giving me issues though. Just before a cutscene starts, the video feed switches from PAL to NTSC and back to PAL again. At first I thought there was a problem with the cable, but when I repeated the test with composite cables plugged into a SCART adapter the same thing happened. When it changes from PAL to NTSC, that on screen message box popped on screen and remains there for several seconds. And it gets captured in my Elgato Game Capture HD recordings, making said recordings unusable. Can those on screen messages be turned off?
How come there aren't any reproduction GC Component Cables, would it be hard for someone to produce it.
Nintendo apparently used some special chip in them so no one could make them other than Nintendo.
AdamKoralik That is the case. Strangely some people mod them to output RGB as opposed to Component.
I've wondered this myself, seeing that China will knockoff anything they can reproduce.
raregamecollector The reason there are not reproductions of this cable is due to the way it was designed. The port on the gamecube actually outputs a digital signal that the cable converts to analog. Manufacturing this cable would be expensive. It should theoretically be possible to get some other type of digital signal from that port.
I've heard that places was a little shady. They have a 3DO RGB kit and I cant find anything online about it.
Direct-to-TV SCART hookup wouldn't look as good as this?
Indeed, it would look like way better.
As we don't have SCART in North America, I have no choice.
+AdamKoralik 15:22
+technology4617 I think my logic at the time was that this box is designed to convert an analog signal to a digital one. HDTVs do this, but as a bonus feature, because other wise it wouldn't display anything. Boxes tend to do this better, as it's their intended purpose.
That's why when you try that with composite, the boxes tend to do it better.
My assumption was SCART did the same, I still assume that. But in hindsight, without being able to test this, I shouldn't have been as confident in that position. Hope that clears it up.
It still works, I still use it regularly, and I love it.
Just used the box you suggested for the first time on my HDTV with my PS1. The image is a bit off-centre but none of it seems to be off-screen. The image is way better than it was when I was using composite. Thanks a lot for this suggestion! Now I'm trying to find a good switcher box to hook up a bunch of my consoles at the same time.
+Gauparte My image is off center too. It's pushed to the right a bit. Also if you have it in regular 720 it's stretched into a wide screen format, which distorts the image. There is another setting 1024-726 I believe that puts it back to 4:3 format, but there is some space at the top and bottom of the image. Oh well...
Adam, thank you for the video!
About Input Lag:
I've read a lot of comments on this video about input lag and the most important thing with a SCART->HDMI-converter is low input lag (yes definitely more important than the picture quality).
I've measured a couple of converters and this one gives not only noticable input lag, but almost unplayable input lag. Well infact it depends on which signal you feed it with.
The NES and SNES was almost unplayable, while the Mega Drive actually works a bit better. I think it has something to do with how the converter scale the signal.
Anyway, i have made some measurements on the NES and i've looked into the total chain. Without going that deep into things, i can stand up to 100ms of total input lag, but i prefer to land not higher than 70ms. With this converter i got a total input lag of 157ms.
The difference between 70ms and 157ms is astronomical. Say that you perceive 70ms as "zero input lag" (for your brain), then you add 87ms. Yeah, do the math.
Obviously i can't say how other feels about input lag, but the one who believes that this converter has no input lag, is not interested in playing retro games.
Framemeister has very minimal input lag.
Did you make sure your TV is in game mode?
Well i have spent 50+ hours with tests on two TV's and three computer-monitors and several consoles/computer/adapters/converters etc.... so yeah......the settings has been as opimal as possible, including game mode or similar.
Tommy Owenius Did you check the response times of the monitor?
Displays:
Monitor Samsung LS29E790CNS
Monitor LG 24" unknown model
TV Sony Bravia KDL-46EX700
All displays was set to "Game-mode".
Sources:
Wii - HDMI-adapter
WiiU - HDMI-cable
HTPC - HDMI-cable
NES - Composite through HDMI-adapter
Then i had a couple of other sources and devices, ended up in a total of 31 tests.
Here is a couple of them:
Wii - Wii-game and WiiMote:
Samsung 103ms
LG 78ms
Wii - Fceux and WiiMote:
LG 135ms
Sony 140ms
HTPC - Nestopia and NES30:
Samsung 71ms
Sony 121ms
One thing worth noting is that any kind of connection between the source and controller have very small impact of lag.
I have tried WiiMote (BT), NES30 (BT & USB), Logitech Rumblepad 2 (RF), Razor Imperator (USB-mouse) and it's no more than 10ms lag that separates them.
I have also tried a couple of HDMI-switches, even stacked 3 pairs and i could not notice any added lag at all, maybe 1-2ms.
The absolute best result i got (besides Razor mouse on HTPC) was a WiiU on the LG-monitor playing NSMB-U, that ended in a input-lag of 58ms. That was a dream to play with very distinct and instant control :)
IMO the FrameMeister is way to expensive and i hope that some producer will develope a more priceworthy device soon.
Just an FYI about the lag issue with this cheap converter. It works best in 720p mode with TVs that can handle 720p natively. 720p is 3x 240p so there's very little processing that has to be done. 1080p is 4.5x the 240p resolution so it gets processed to hell and back.
JohnnyNismo thanks. Long as it doesn't lag in 720 I'm good
I bought this adapter after I've seen your review and it works like a charm. Damn I love my old consoles even more now! :) Thank you so much for posting this. You should do a followup to this with more games
My pleasure!
Amazing video. Since watching this I've ordered the SCART 2 HDMI convertor and bought SCART cables for Sega Saturn/SNES/SEGA 32XCD(retro_console_accessories from ebay is your friend folks). Adam thank you very much as I was thinking "CRT is the best for these old consoles". Boy was I wrong!!! This rivals any emulator IQ out there! People come over and simply can't believe how good these old consoles look on a 60" HDTV in 1080p. Thanks Adam, you've brought new life in these old games and brought happiness to my friends and family.
My only recommendation is perhaps making a follow up to this video perhaps bringing up how much better the HDMI adapter is vs component adapter and maybe some more consoles displayed(not everyone reads comments sadly)
My pleasure Steven.
Problem with the component adapter is that it doesn't adjust resolution, so I can't capture footage from most of the consoles.
Hey Adam, did you ever notice lag on that convertor? I have the same one, there is no lag but everyone says so.
EDIT: Can't believe I actually found my comment again but I just want to point out that I been using this on my Genesis for months now and yes there is a bit of motion blur but input lag not much. I have no issues playing anything from Sonic to Mortal Kombat to Streets of Rage on my HDTV. It really makes the games look awesome. Better than CRT with composite in my opinion.
AndehX If you meant consoles like PS1, N64, Saturn, etc., well I can't say anything since I don't own any of those consoles and the only console I used this convertor was on the Genesis on a 720p TV.
Use the Xrgb Mini for a better quality product. See My Life in Gaming on youtube for more information :3
***** See My Life in Gaming anyways. I want to use the XRGB-Mini for my Dreamcast and Gamecube so I can adjust the aspect ratio to 720x480. I also want to get some PS1 RPGs in the future but in order for me to play them I need the XRGB-Mini :3
***** The Sixth Gen consoles don't output a 4:3 aspect ratio (640x480) they instead output 720x480 or also known as DVD resolution. The Framemeister can fix the screen size. And personally, I think scanlines look really ugly on anything.
That's for 240p
Ok :3 May Ulala be with you
No doubt the XRGB mini is amazing, just sadly not everyone can afford it.
Thanks for the video! Had been looking at one of these but couldn't find any solid info. Think I'll have to order one now. Time to dig out all my SCART cables! :D
Happy to help.
One question though: It works with straight old RGB SCART? Like, the European standard and not that weird Japanese one? I can always knock up a conversion cable but yeah..
wunk wonk As far as I know, yes.
@sandplasma
Thanks.
The resolution going in to the device is the same.
The difference is the HDMI one upscales it to a more modern resolution which helps with compatibility issues and capturing game footage.
The component box basically just...passes it through.
What he fails to mention is that there is input lag in the conversation from analog to digital.. You need to pony up 300 bux for a framemeister to minimize the input lag
I have the same scaler and once I put my TV into game mode there was no lag. Some TVs are better than others in this regard though.
Highly doubtful there is no lag
Nothing noticeable. I tested it with 240p Test Suit on a Sega CD and the lag was within 1 to 3 frames at the most. I've heard Samsung TVs have the least amount of input lag.
Those scart to hdmi converters are JUNK.
Wrong. Used in 720p mode the scaler has very little processing to do. 720p is only 3x the resolution of 240p. 1080p is 4.5x the 240p resolution which causes it to be processed a ton. I happen to have a TV that handles 720p natively so there's almost no input lag. If you NEED to play in 1080p then you want the Framemeister which has the fast and powerful processor to get the job done. The XRGB-mini Framemeister is 10x the price though.
It's junk on an LCD, but on an old CRT it's GOLD. Get an HDMI2AV converter and hook it up to an old CRT. Jackpot!
EX Heihachi he hates this now
Messier 11 hdmi to av??? Sega have only av output, whu you said hdmi to av?
@JhonnyNismo, You're the one who is wrong. From 240p to 720p is not a x 3 increase in pixels. It's 12!
Hey Adam, thanks for this vid and shopping link. I picked up the same SCART to HDMI converter along with a sweet multi-SCART adapter and the difference is very noticeable. Not Earth shattering on it's own but when I unplugged the HDMI and switched to composite, it was very noticeable. Colors are more vibrant on Zelda, text is clearer on NBA Jam and overall just better visuals. Waiting for my N64 to be modded for RGB and a Genesis SCART to come in and compare, can't wait!
A lot of the multi-switches degrade the image of the SNES. Just a heads up.
Hey Adam,
I have two SCART to HDMI upscalers like the ones you have, one for SNES and one for the Sega Mega Drive. Recently I brought my old PS1 out of retirement, and I'm considering upgrading it to RGB. But can you tell me how well does yours handle the resolution switches on games like Driver? I know games that switch from 240/288p to 480/576i can cause blackouts. For PS1 games played on the PS2, it kept blacking out through the HDMI input on the upscaler and couldn't handle the resolution switch seamlessly.
However I've read somewhere that the SCART input treats all sources as interlaced and thus should theoretically be able to handle the resolution switch in PS1 games. Can you please confirm this for me?
+Paul Gregorakos Then you desperately need glasses.
***** They're big, bulky, antiquated, and offer nothing but an inferior image. The one and only practical plus, as far as I'm concerned, is the ability to use light guns.
Voultar Glad I could amuse you sir.
AdamKoralik I'll prefer CRTs to death, but how does the upscaled content on non-CRT HDTVs look when using SCART, component or VGA cables?
AdamKoralik Hey dude I'm portuguese and, yes, I use SCART. But this comment is about the Wii. The Wii, at least the European 2nd version, comes with Composite and SCART. You connect the Composite cables onto a SCART adapter and then you plug onto your TV. I was playing Sonic Colors and noticed it looked kind of shitty in resolution and image clarity, but I'm using a 1080p TV. What do you think is causing the problem?
Nunoski Orange Yeah, you're doing it wrong. Think of video cables as a chain.
Imagine a strong chain made out of pure titanium, super strong right? But there's one link made out of a rusty thin paper clip.
That rusty paper clip would be composite cables. As they say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
Point is, throw the composite cables in the trash and get proper cables. In the case of the Wii, get a set of component cables.
Framemeister.
+Jacobs Tech I Always keep annotations off.
Very expensive !
Thanks for the shout out! Joking I'm not that Raymond but you never hear another dude called Raymond
Hi Adam. Big fan of your channel. I am using a samsung 50" smart LED tv. After seeing this video and Review Tech USA's video. I decided to try this on my Genesis: Wow it was stunning. Now I have Scart cables for my Snes, N64 and Dreamcast. I wanna thank you for this vid. The colors don't run anymore, everything is vivid and clear as hell and display like a dream on my tv. Last step is to buy RGB modded Nes but damn they are pricey. Thanks again and keep giving us awesome informative videos!
GAMONSKI4EVER Just a heads up the N64 doesn't support RGB. So it's just passing through a composite or S-Video signal.
As for the Dreamcast, go with VGA. It's WAY better.
AdamKoralik Yeah I ordered a RGB modded N64 from ebay. It's pretty good. My TV doesn't have VGA support. I've got to research another avenue. Thanks for the reply
Best way is with vintage CRT tv.. no HDMI adapter bs
Spicy Kielbasa That's nostalgia talking right there.
unless it's a European CRT, with scart inputs and all.
CRTS are dying. That's the reason for the switch to flatscreens.
I have a CRT collection, including a 1959 Zenith. All working fine! And if I was going to go flatscreen, I'd want native HDMI. For instance, Hi-Def Nes. I have one of those too! Soon I will have a HDMI N64, too!
But honestly, I would resort to emulation in 1080p via a retropie, or even a PC before I'd run an upscaler. For me the upscalers are just adding too much to the signal.
Adam I'm so glad I watched this video. I was going to buy scart for super nintendo but I have the mini version. Looks like I will have to find the original super nintendo for scart. Thanks Adam,
Thanks for watching!
What capture device do you use? I have SCARTs to get the best output from my retro systems and bought the HDMI adapter you are using but my Elgato only supports 720p and 1080p and stretches the iamges from their 4:3 and the colour seems to change with some resolutions.
I changed the aspect ratio back to 4:3 when playing back the file so I suppose I could find software that changes aspect ration and that would work but I think colour may still be effected and it would be nice to just capture it right.
Wow! Need to get myself one of these. Playing the likes of a Mega Drive/Genesis through a modern HD TV with SCART tends to look awful, while emulated games from my laptop connected to the TV via HDMI look great. Seems this will sort out such problems. Many thanks for the video. This looks essential for any retro enthusiast who doesn't have an old CRT TV handy.
My pleasure, thanks for watching.
Hey Adam just wanted to say thanks for this video. I watched it a few months back and it was the start of my RGB Scart to HDMI journey. I finally got the cord and the same upscaler as you and I have to say, it really does look amazing. Im sure the XRGB mini looks slightly better but for 40 dollars the unit we have is worth every penny. Once again thanks, my Sega Genesis and Sega CD have gotten a second lease on life
Glad I could help!
I haven't tried any output mods or special converters for my SNES yet, but this video makes me want to give it a try and I'll probably turn into a picture quality fanatic. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
Haha, at least yours came with a box! Mine was brand new and didn't. This converter does work great, and I'm glad you did a video on it to spread the word. The signal from mine gets pretty jittery on rare occasion, but that might be the quality of the SCART cable itself (using this on a JP Saturn).
Hi Adam. Please I hope you can help me to understand something here, I bought another upscaler box from another brand called SCART- MHL/HDMI. But the issue is each time it accept a new plugged signal the screen showed an NTSC or PAL message. SO I checked the manual and it doesnt says anyhthing about supporting RGB. So I suposse the poor results upscaling are probably cause is upscaling the old composite ntsc or pal signals to HDMI against the desired RGB signal... so I was wondering if I am right or not. DO you know if this upscaler brand of your video, support RGB signals? Thast the difference? Or is just doing the same as mine but whit better results? I can pay for a Framemeister or something like that.
Is it possible you got the wrong kind of SCART cables? There are RGB SCART and composite passthrough SCART.
I got this same video converter, it works perfectly and now my older consoles look amazing! Thanks for showing that there is something better than crappy composite video!
Happy to.
Hi
Run the device with video signals with 15 kHz or 24kHz?
Goods for Neo Geo MVS arcade PCBs and other intersting.
Thanks for the video Adam! I have wanted to begin a specific retro collection for some time now. I mainly want a Genesis and a SNES because I kinda missed out on the 16bit era growing up and always loved playing them at a friends place. Any way, I don't have space for an old tube TV so I bought an RGB-SCART cord for an SNES on eBay and I found the exact same SCART - HDMI converter on Amazon. They are on the way! I can't wait to play some Mega Man X and others. Keep up the great work.
You would have been better off waiting on HD Retrovision's SNES and Genesis Component cables to restock as they work very well and do not have to go through a mediator to get RGB. The converter he highlighted in this video the the bottom of the barrel when it comes to getting RGB out of these consoles. It interlaces, de-interlaces, and then doubles the line count which, if you know anything HDTVs and their post-processing, constitutes in 2-4 frames of lag depending your set, and adds unnecessary saturation and sharpness/motion blur.
Check out MyLifeinGaming or Phonedork here on CZcams for more researched and much more in-depth information regarding RGB and how the make the best of it.
*To those who've upgraded to an OSSC 1.6, this scaler might still be of use to you.* In my setup I found the best way to use the OSSC was to plug it into the HDMI input on the SCART to HDMI. My Sony Bravia 32inch HDTV worked with every console I threw at the OSSC, except the PS1. And of the ones that did work, the TV wouldn't accept anything but the linedoubled 480p or 576p modes. Plugging it into the SCART to HDMI input, I was able to get everything but the 5x mode working. And I found that by setting the OSSC's output to 3x mode, the image is scaled at 4:3 aspect ratio.
What is the difference between sync on composite and sync on luma? Do you think this will give me much grief setting up a ps1 scart?
AdamKoralik There's something I gotta know:
If I purchase and play a digital download retro game on one of the HDMI Consoles (PS3, 360, PS4, XBOne, WiiU) through their Virtual Console are they gonna look "the best they can be"?
If I play Mario64 on the Wii U virtual console, does it look like if I was using a N64 with SCART and HDMI upscaling? The same thing for SNES games?
If I play a GBA or Gamecube game on the Wii U does it look like if I was using a Gamecube with a Component Cable?
What about the PS2 and PSOne games that I can purchase on the PSN store on my non backwards compatible PS3?
Adam how did you get you TV to center the image correctly! I just got the same device you have and I hooked in a Saturn scart cable and it was way to far to the right and only 4 By 3 ratio would correct it but in 16 by 9 it's way off and it sucks because i'm pretty sure my capture device only captures 16 by 9!
Hey Adam, me again, I have one more question about the RGB Scart, I bought the box for my Genesis/Sega CD, and the cable, but I was wondering if you know if RGB works with the PSone. Not the original PlayStation model, but the smaller "slim" model. I ask this because I'm thinking of getting the smaller PSone to save space, but if RGB SCART won't work, I'm not going to bother. Do you happen to know if the small PSone outputs RGB SCART?
Yes, RGB SCART is supported by the PSOne, but it's oddly complicated.
I have two different PS1 RGB SCART cables. And two different PSOnes. One works on one console, one works on another. But if you swap them, they display in composite mode.
Same is true of the original PS1 fat model. I have no idea why that is.
Alright, so it's basically giving to be a coin toss whether I buy a PSone that works properly. That's really weird, the cables that you used, are they official cables or 3rd party?
TnVGaming That's been my experience, I don't presume to understand why.
One is official, one is third party.
dude to record from scart did you recommend an avermedia capture card? or elgato HD60? thanks, also which one did u use?
Thats nice! So, if I buy a Snes scart cable and the scart to HDMI adapter in Ali Express I will run my Japanese Super Famicom in 720p on my LCD? Thanks!
are there any adapters or converters like the PS2-HDMI converter I can use for the PS2 and Original Xbox?
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Have any idea why audio won't output through TV when I use my Genesis Scart cable with my Master System?
so on the wii arcade I bought ogre battle march of the black queen: super nintendo and tried to play it on my hd tv with the composite hookup. it was way hard to look at and from watching it five minutes I literally had a headache for 7 hours. is this a different scenario? what's my easiest route?
Hi Adam, I have a question. I just bought the same video converter that you have, for my Sega Genesis. It looks great!!
My only problem is that it display as a 16:9 stretched image on my TV and my recording device. Do you know how to make back into a 4:3 image?
Very informative, thank you. Two questions. 1. What do you recommend for NES? 2. What do you think about using an HD Receiver that can upscale analog to digital? I'm assuming that would not be as good since the source is Composite/RCA. Thanks.
Is playing the raw scart/vga(or whatever you have) signal much worse than upskaled? Here in sweden basically all tvs i have seen have 1 component port 2 vga ports 1 rf port 2 scart ports 2 usb ports and 2 hdmi ports.
So with the new snes classic what would I need to upscale to my uhd tv? I kno it won't upscale to 4k was just letting kno what type of tv. The new snes has HDMI cable out of the back.
I have a model 1 Genesis with the scart cable that has the stereo plug for the front and I'm looking to buy the rgb converter but will it play my stereo sound or will I have to mod the rgb converter to except the sound?
Would this be a valid solution for a PAL Amiga, to hook into an NTSC computer monitor with an HDMI input? There are Amiga RGB to SCART cables available.
My pleasure man, thanks for watching.
What is the difference between the scart-component vs the scart-hdmi in terms of resolution? Will I get a smaller screen size if I just get the component one? As opposed to 720/1080 with the hdmi one?
One of my favorite CZcamsrs shouts out another one of my favorites. He said you are a retro gamer, which is partially true, but I wouldn't label you as such. Can't really complain though, a shout-out is a shout-out.
I agree sir.
AdamKoralik great video . Is there any latency involved in using this on say, a 60inch LED tv in "Game Mode" vs newer consoles? I ask because i am currently looking at the "Analogue NT", and that thing is 500 bucks……but…reads like it performs very well. do you think that machine would use this same tech on the innards?
hello i have brought a new one with my tv decoder works but with my ps1 and ps2 wont have any signal , i have used an rgb scart and a compsite with a converter to scart still no sound and picture.. how did you mange to connect the playstation? thanks
Adding a bit more to my question since I don't think I really made it clear but I mean would it work on converting a signal from SCART Gamecube cable to work on an American tv
Does this support Japanese RGB scart or only PAL Scart?
Japanese SCART seems to work.
Seems to work or do really work because the pinout are very different!
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PAL gamecubes can still use the component cables, none of the games support progressive scan though.
I'm more concerned about Input delay. If the upscale box or the TV scale the image, the image gets delayed a few milliseconds. Which is more of a problem for me than it sounds. Which is why I play on an old CRT TV.
My model 1 version 2 Genesis worked fine and then one day wouldn't display. It powers on though. I tried different cords and finally broke down and bought the original original model. To my surprise that Genesis won't display either. I'm at a loss. I tried switching the cords a hundred times. I even tried an upscaler. Do you know what is happening? I may never be able to enjoy Sega Genesis again. Thanks.
Here is a question coming in over 5 years too late I guess. I have an Insignia LED television and I was looking into this same SCART box for use with my sega genesis. Will the Insignia LED tv work out for me? I heard that some tv's may not be compatible with SCART.
Right now I have a original NES and Nintendo Gamecube as far as retro consoles go. I am looking to purchase some others such as SNES and N64 and probably ps1/2. What would be the best setup for having multiple retro consoles? Should I buy a AV RCA Audio Video Switcher Selector and then have that plugged into an AV to HDMI converter? Or should I be looking for something else. Sorry, I don't know too much about audio video stuff.
I use the same converter as you, and scart RGB on my gamecube and it looks so incredible wooow!! THANKS!!
No problem.
Dear Adam, I bought this piece thanks partly to your video. So far, I have been able to "test" most of my home systems and it goes from "it works ok" to "wow" (the colors on the Saturn...). I cant help noticing that your screen mentions 720p when you launch a title. We can push the button to go to 1080p and its slightly better. Thanks again for such interesting intel. Syl
I had it set to 720p since it's upscaling either way. I kind of figured pushing it more when the original resolution was only like 240p probably wasn't a great idea. But you think it looks better huh? Admittedly, I didn't really try.
True I have to make further tests! I'll give you a proper feedback I hope. Cheers. Syl
+AdamKoralik, quick question I hope you might be able to help me with. I've been trying to play PAL games on my NTSC PlayStation (PS1/PSX/OG Grey Guy) and when I do they show up in color but sort of flicker annoyingly. I"m wondering if it's the box, the cable, or just a PlayStation thing? If you could throw a PAL game in an NTSC PLaystation (Mod/Game Enhancer/Or Swap Trick) and let me know that would be awesome!
I seem to have answered my own question. I hooked up my non-chipped PlayStation and no problem so it must be an issue with the mod-chip. Too bad that one hates reading FMVs and Audio tracks. Maybe it's time for me to buy a PAL PlayStation.
Hello ! I have PS1 and SNES and those 2 items i need to improve the quality of video? ... or need Arcade Game rgb/cga/ega / Yuv to Vga Converter of Video Hd, too ?
Good video. Do you know if you can plug an RGB scart splitter / hub into on of these so you can have multiple RGB consoles hooked up to one converter without having to keep switching the scart cables over?
Is this device free of hdcp? My avemedia game capture HD II has an issue with another cheap scart to hdmi converter. It refuses to record it's signal because of hdcp.
Thanks for the video on this device. Can you explain your capture setup? I was hoping to use something like this for livestreaming aka SNES -> SCART/HDMI -> Elgato. Do you have any experience with this? Also curious about the input lag?
Hey Adam. I used to connect my old xbox to an old tube tv which recently broke and now it looks horrible on HDTV. I live in Europe so I am using a SCART adaptor (from the xbox's default composite cable). Should I just buy a good component cable through SCART to HDTV or I also need to buy this thing as well (or the framemeister)? Really cool channel. Thumbs up !
So Adam I'm getting a Saturn today ill end up getting the converter question what scart cable do i need for a Saturn model 2 exact or is it just called scart cable
I'm just looking to play my Super Nintendo and I've looked at the converters. I was wondering if you've done a comparison between the scart-component vs. scart-hdmi. And which you'd recommend
I'm worried about lag when playing games with these converters. Do these converters do any processing? It was my understanding the expensive XRGB Mini Framemeister from Micomsoft would be a better choice because there is no lag - but ouch, expensive. Also RetroRGB and Phonedork on youtube seem to recommend against the cheap converters.
I recently bought this same converter and the picture is sharp as hell and colors look amazing, but I have noticed the any movement (like scrolling) on 2d games creates a kind of blur (maybe deinterlacing?) Have you noticed this at all?
Personally no, I have not.
Damn, I'm gonna send it back, hoping to get one that doesn't do it. Thanks for the quick response man!
Avalanche Reviews Sure thing, good luck.
Hey, I just set mine up on my SNES and I noticed the same exact problem. I'm looking into ways to solve it. If I find anything I'll hit you up, and if you're able to solve it, do send a message my way. Thanks pal.
Sounds good, thanks!
One question; what is the input lag like playing through the adapter? My tv can use scart but because its through a weird cable port on the tv, playing snes through it for example is just too laggy, if i could use the HDMI ports instead that would be great!
I've never experienced any lag.
So does this device half the frame rate of interlaced footage when converting them to progressive scan?
please help me. I figured out the last question but have another. I have a model 1genesis/sega CD. I have a starter cable. Do I still half to plug in audio from the Sega CD? Do I put an auxiliary cable from system to system then do the red and white cables? I know the scart is an all in one but how bout the sound. how do I hook it up? I know you must be busy since I don't often get a reply but I'm a huge fan and would be grateful if you could answer my question.
AdamKoralik Would the HDMI input on that box happen to strip HDCP or is it merely a simple pass-through?
I wanted to do this with my PS2 and I already got the SCART cable.
However, now I see that PS2 is listed as not worth applying because it has more advanced methods of video display, it certainly didn't have native HDMI, so what would be a better method?
Also, I should probably note that I want to hook it up to a computer monitor and not a TV, would that be a problem?
Got the scart and HD video converter, works like a charm!!! Not sure if it is the cause, but when i stream using elgato and OBS the sound and my mic slowly get more out of sync :( I wonder if it is just the Elgato. I mainly need a good capture device to stream, any suggestions?
Which is technically better scart or component? My hdtv doesn’t have any component ports on it so I’d have to do scart to hdmi or component to hdmi looking at it for mostly an snes if i can find a 1chip console
got the HD adapter....clears as day for my genesis. one problem is the colors are off....have you experienced this? if so any solutions? tried messing with my tvs color, bit can't get it
Thanks AdamKoralik for this tip. I ended buying a scart cable for my Genesis model 1 and this converter box. Now my Genesis looks clear on an HDTV. People get this converter box and get yourself a scart cable.