I spent a week with the Nabalis Canyon. Here's what I learned.
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10 likes ill buy a Canyon
edit: Just ordered one😂
muahahahahaha
If I reply to someone’s comment I may get a canyon at some point in the future
Enjoy the canyon
Its at 40 likes rn, guess ur buying 4 now
Enjoy 70 canyons
Very insightful comments! You've touched upon many aspects that we have carefully considered!
Our aim with the Canyon is to cater to beginners and allow them to delve deeper into the world of balisong, to experience the exhilaration of mastering each trick, and to feel the adrenaline rush that comes with it. We want them to embrace this coolest of balisong flipping as a sport!
The Canyon is designed to be affordable, durable, and suitable for prolonged practice sessions, accommodating all advanced techniques. To achieve this, we have incorporated stainless steel and added bushings, aligning with our set objectives.
The introduction of the Canyon is not intended to serve as a transitional tool for beginners to eventually move on to aluminum or titanium butterfly knives for more advanced skills. Instead, the Canyon offers the capability to practice all maneuvers without worrying about drops. You'll become an advanced flipper by just practising Canyon, and then you can start exploring many more balisongs for various experiences.
when is the trainer restock? :)
@@xweeazelxthey restocked
After flipping my Canyon trainer for a good while, I've got to say this hunk of steel is an absolute miracle to exist. I dropped this thing on Hard floors, concrete, endless carpets, and so on. The tolerances still holds up, and the flipping experience is sublime for the price. However, the "weirdness" that is mentioned in this video is definitely something I sort of discovered part ways into breaking it in. The sheer weight in the handles somewhat over-compensates the force that is needed in order to successfully land chaplins or rollovers than on a traditional balisong. With certain tricks like a BT8B or Helix, it more feels like you're directing a train on tracks rather than tossing a weight like you would on say, the Vulp. Transitioning to a more traditional balisong definitely requires some adjustments as I feel that the timing required to land certain tricks may be off ever so slightly because of this balance. I can understand that folks getting into the hobby may be in for a bit of an adjustment period once they upgrade to a more traditionally balanced knife like the Krake Raken.
While most folks can enjoy this trainer, prolonged flipping sessions do indeed start taking a toll given this balisong's deceptive weight. The skeleton handles provide plentiful grip, but the skinnier handle profile overall may not fit most people with big hands. My original trainer came with some considerable handle gap issues; (a replacement is on the way, but it took almost a month of waiting.) While I cannot argue that this provides an exceedingly good value proposition, it's not the end all be all default that I'd give to everyone.
With all that being said, the Nabalis Canyon is one of the best momentum trainers that I've flipped in a long while. It even performs better than some mid range balisongs I own. I urge that folks interested in the hobby try and purchase a wide range of "cheap" balisongs with varied weight distributions in order to further build up a preference that may influence your next upgrade into the mid, high, and grail range purchases.
honestly been flipping the canyon more than my entire collection, haven't really picked up my krakens or vulp pro since I got the canyon. it's crazy good for 50
Dude! The same happened to me! My Vulp Pro and Krake Raken have stayed in the case for the most part. I take them out just to make sure I'm not going crazy and to confirm that I prefer the Canyon.
literally
on the no lube/thread locker thing: if you order from nabalis’ site you get the option of slow or fast shipping, with both being free. its easy to skip over, but they state that the fast shipping, for whatever reason, does not come with the lube and locktite. I ordered my marbles with the slow shipping and it only took a week or so, but I can definitely see why people would get burned by picking the fast shipping when they want the extras
Yeah I learned about this after I filmed, but apparently there's a far more complicated process to inspect and ship packages with liquids or something like that, so it can take longer
Yeah I learned about this after I filmed, but apparently there's a far more complicated process to inspect and ship packages with liquids or something like that, so it can take longer
In fact, this is about the restrictions on liquids during air transportation. If it contains liquid, only DG Airlines which has one flight per week. But there are 5 normal flights withour liquids. So, it may happen to catch the departure time of DG Airlines, they can be equally fast. But only 1/7 chance.
@@nabalis9626 hey, I'm from spain and I want to buy a canyon. There is a note about shipping that says I'm not gonna get my loctite and glue, from what I've read in this comments there is an option to mark a slower shipping that does come with those items (I think..) So I would realy appreciate it if you could tell me where is that "slow shiping" option since I don't see it. Thanks!
I did hit the selection for slower shipping for the lube and locktite. Never did end up getting it😢
I bought one off Amazon a week or two ago (the skeletonized one, I guess).
It came with all the goodies, wasn't missing anything in the box. It's been pretty fun to learn with.
I definitely feel it too. I switch between flippers a ton now, and when I come back around to using my canyon, Im always like “this is DIFFERENT”.
Definitely still good! But different for sure
I absolutely LOVE the Canyon. Great tolerances, the fact that it's really light for a steel balisong and unique flipping experience make it my favourite beater. 100% worth the price (especially considering how cheap it is)!
Thank you bite handle indicator
I really enjoy my canyon despite it being a little weird and I definitely agree with what you were saying about it. For beginners I think it’s a really good option especially with the handle weight. I let my friend with very little experience with anything besides a couple rollovers try it and he found it super easy to use and thought it was “one of those million dollar ones”.
Exactly my thoughts when I got my canyon! Great video
Thanks!
As a beginner, I really like how the canyon carries momentum. I have a vulp, 2 hydras, and a squiddy, but Ive found I appreciate the slight sluggishness of the canyon, and the amount of momentum it carries, when I'm trying to learn new tricks. I especially like how it feels for momentum based tricks like rollovers and aerials, even ladders.
I do only have the trainer at the moment, though, so Im not sure how I'll feel with the more neutral-biased false live blade when it comes in.
As a beginner though, I really appreciate it, and find the sluggishness to be helpful for learning.
As an engineer, I find the way that they did the pinsless contact points intriguing. A lot of pinsless designs I've seen don't seem to have a lot of contact area, but the canyon seems to maximize contact area over a curved surface. It’s been a hot minute since I did engineering for a contact point that had impact instead of rubbing, but I think they may be on the right track for optimizing the design to mimimize deformation. I'm sure it will happen, but very slowly. I've been flipping mine aggressively and constantly for weeks, and I haven't noticed any significant change.
just ordered per your rec, cant wait!
It looks really good. Nabalis really knows how to make a pretty bali
I have a Canyon, Aragon, and BBsuperfly... I'm a beginner/getting to intermediate with XL meathooks. Checked your vids before I purchased those. Like how you articulate, without having to fst fwd though added entertainment.
I will box up my other balis in storage and focus on those 3.
Wicked Sic review!!! Excellent talking points 😀😀😀😀
Great Vid. You may think it’s a fairly irrelevant and that it’s something only you care about but it’s a niche hobby and it’s great to see thoroughness and passion about it
Thank you I try my best!
i've personally been recommending the vulp still because i find that the vulp carries a more standard momentum for new flippers to get used to. the canyon is fantastic for the price but it feels more like a proof of concept that works really well for people who are already established flippers. it proves really well that we CAN get full steel that's both comfortable in the hand and can have a comfortable weight, but i tend to find it hates fast momentum switching and its multiple hotspots make it carry too much momentum horizontally but wants to stop and fall vertically. granted for $50 it's worth at least buying to try it
i can definitely say the same about difference like my vulp felt a bit heavy before i started to flip my canyon but then after i go back to the vulp after flipping my canyon it’s just pure lightweight
The Vulp is 113/4g and the Canyon is 126g. Not far off but the steel seems to carry the momentum better than the 7075. I think the Vulp is dow the lighter end of the scale. Squid Kraken sits at 120ish so bang in the middle.
this video explains perfectly how i feel about my canyon
I pick it up over my krakens, my vulp, my orion and my squiddy. It is so fun with how thin the handles are, and i honestly love it and cannot recommend it more. I need to get a false edge one and compare the weight
Also the lube and locktite was an option with shipping for me. I opted to not get them, and instead i got the t10 bit and the extra hardware
Bro i remember when nabalis was mainly clones seeing that theyve made their mark in the community as its own company now is amazing
The blade is actually cool af
I didn't get lube and threadlocker in mine, but I wasn't worried about it since I have that on hand.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO 📷❤
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Hey i am sorry for misspelling the word waiting.
It's just second language and it's not been easy.
@@danigames9509 its okay bro it happens
MADKO REFERENCE!!! ITS KINDA HEAVY AND SLUGGISH 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ok so I’m relatively new to the hobby. I own a flytanium zenith, an edit lite, a nautilus clone and a canyon.
I agree with what you’re saying completely. However I’ve found that learning new tricks on the canyon is somehow easier than anything else I own. So I learn on the canyon and move to a more standard balisong and end up being better on that. It’s weird but it’s been the case for me since I got it
That makes total sense, the canyon carries far more momentum than most other balis at the price point which can help learning handle biased tricks (chaplins, rollovers, etc) by a ton
the heavier weight on the canyon i find helps train those hand muscles when learning new tricks. flipping a 3.x oz bali after the canyon feels like flipping a feather. but what's weird is the canyon doesn't exactly feel heavy which is a testament to its overall balance
@@DTMGAMERSexactly, the Canyon made my Trident feel so weird because of the weight difference. I have to be flipping the trident for a while just to get the same kind of enjoyment... Imo it still holds great value when compared to its rivals, but the Canyon is an entirely different echelon in terms of value.
I heard the trainer is lighter though, not sure how difference for the balance, planning to get the trainer since false edge is kinda illegal in Canada.
Also mine came with the complete package but took like almost 3 weeks to get to me. I was expecting it to get to eastern Europe faster than it did in the states
I did not get the lube/loctite with my order. Not really a big deal for me though but maybe for a beginner. Dude you are a professional flipper. Your analysis is probably correct but overall I have to fall in the camp that the Canyon is a game changer. I started flipping with a Kershaw Lucha before I discovered the balisong community. So I feel like this is an outstanding flipper. Its cheap. Its durable. Its a great place to start and great to take out when you don't want to take out your SlifT. I will tell everyone to buy a Canyon to start, you absolutely can't go wrong. Great video!
I don't want my analysis to take away from the fact that this is definitely one of the best flippers we've seen from this price point
Bought my canyon Friday and it should come on Wednesday. Excited to flip it because it is the first balisong ive spent over $20 on.
I can assure you that you won't regret it
Hope you enjoy!
I'll give an update when it comes in 😁
I AM IN LOVE WITH THE CANYON!!! you gotta understand I've been flipping cheap amazon ones but this is wow. Nabalis I'm impressed
@@JOY-495 i'm glad to hear. Enjoy it
У меня есть много разных балисонгов,но я влюбился в дизайн каньона, когда он снова появится в продаже, закажу себе 3 штуки
Surprisingly, the trainer canyon is the exact price of the lightning, but more durable, with bushings, and just better flipping
thanks for the update man, do like the beater appeal, and damn blade geometry is nice on the Canyon. fair price for sure. I dont think Nabalis send out the lock tight etc, due to shipping restrictions, bit shite, as you say, It makes the package complete, although not a major as im sure people will have said bits, but still a shame. I will see when I order from them, U.k based, so I doubt I will get the extras, maybe a little wrench taped on tho!
Edit. didnt see this was covered already. Peace
I'm UK and I ordered in the first drop. I got the full package with T10 pivot aligner, hardware, lube/locktight everything. Took about 10 days to arrive.
Nice one!, will be ordering for sure, thanks for the reply, good news to hear, cheers man@@mightylion4704
i purchased 2 canyons, and neither came with lube or loctite. my package got shipped back like 2 times so i think the lube and loctite may have gotten it stuck in customs but im not 100% sure.
also i really didnt like the balance on the false live but i really enjoyed the trainer alot
is it fair to say that its better as a beater since its stronger than aluminum?
I was wondering if a hole in the bottom of the handles will affect it in any way and how
Should i buy this over the vulp? i alr have a nabalis but am looking for an upgrade
I just got a mini Bali today and now my whole collection feels weird, like after an hour
is it okay to buy it from Amazon or do I have to buy it from the website
should I get the nabalis marbles or the canyon?
slayed🌚
IT CAME, IT FINALLY CAME (thr video that is)
I did NOT get lube or thread locker (or the T10 bit) with my canyons, which I ordered immediately as they dropped. I didn't notice there being a fast/slow shipping option so I'm not sure which method I got by default, but they took more than a week to arrive and I did not get those extras.
I ordered in the first drop and got everything. I dont recall being offered a difference in shipping times... I thought it was all free shipping for the launch
🤔
I personally did not get locktight nor did i get lube but i did get hardware
did I just hear the canyon feels kinda HEAVY and SLUGGISH like the MADKO!?
Do you think it's easier to transition from the canyon to main stream bali's or from the squiddy to main stream bali's?
Absolutely the canyon will be easier because of the weight, there isn't really much that throws you off on the canyon, it just feels a little goofy in the distribution
i didn't get any threadlocker or lube with mine 😭it's chill but it would've been nice to have
Nabalis said on their website that they might not be able to include lube and loctite with every package because of shipping laws.
Still waiting for it to come back in stock lol
I unboxed my canyon and the foam that comes in the box was on top of the box??? but it was still taped up, and it didn’t have lube or loctite, i think customs went through my package and took the lube and loctite and didn’t put the foam back in for some reason
Also, it might just be me but i feel like the false edge canyon is very blade bias not handle bias, which is why i was excited for zippy’s upcoming canyon inserts, but then nabalis says it’s neutral so idk
i wanna get one to get into flipping, anyone know when they will be in stock again
Does it remind you of the Medusa? Even the sound is very similar.
I havent personally flipped a Medusa, but the Medusa is supposed to be a bit heavy and Chunky, and the canyon is exactly the opposite, its pretty light, and extremely thin, so I would assume most likely no. Also the steel doesn't feel much like titanium
It could be compared to the Medusa/Empusa, but I'd take my Empusa every time
I have to disagree with you. I have flipped the Canyon and it genuinely feels a LOT better than even some mid-high end balisongs. It has an AMAZING balance, jimping is better than on most products and the fact it costs what it costs???? Might be the the ultimate BEST DEAL in the balisong industry at the moment in my opinion. There has NEVER been anything like it before from an authentic company for such a price. Love it, love it, love it
bro how are ur friends so good damn
Should I get live or trainer?
I understand what you mean but I think for the price this think ist THE BEST beginner.
You can do all kind of tricks ( Vulp is total off, bad chaplain, slippery as f) AND you can throw it 100 times (beginner throw the Balisong super often) on concrete.
And for all other flipper, I like different flipper and switch between and yes this thing has its own feeling to it and that’s dope as f. .
I got a Vulp out of curiousity and its OK for what it is. I think it's generic and sits in its niche quite happily. It is however slippery af and chaplains suck. Will has said its like that so you have to make more of a rotation to help teach beginners. I think he said that after the all critiscisms came out to defend a point that was missed in the intial designs. Canyon is based though and IMO a better choice for someone moving from Vulp to a FE/Live.
@nabalis can I get a canyon live blade to review since I have a lot of the other nabalis products the steel trainer is amazing btw
I just noticed the meze neos, i approve
Meze 99 Noirs actually, no plastic cups here
@@BladeBias aw shiiit, man got the wood cups! I think those sound better, i got the classics myself
Are the tolerances good on it, I was thinking about buying one
So far they've been fine
For a beginner: Canyon or Nabalis lighting
Under an hour gang
month long procrastination gang
I wanted to buy one but they were sold out :( so i bought a vulp instead
The trainer version of the Canyon is available on Amazon right now!
I think a lot of the discussion of "the canyon is so different from aluminum and titanium therefore it's bad for beginners" is coming from, with all due respect, enthusiasts with large collections of aluminum and titanium balisongs. Sure there's a lot of concern of "what happens when they buy another balisong and it's so different from what they're used to" but that's based on the idea that they even ARE going to buy another balisong.
This is an expensive hobby and not everyone has the kind of disposable income to expand their collection. If you have $60-70 and are torn between the canyon and the vulp as your FIRST balisong, the vulp is going to be a more "standard" example of what most balisongs feel like. But if you have $60-70 and are looking to buy your ONLY balisong, the canyon is a no brainer.
It's durable, it's cheap, and can do 95% of the things you want it to do and it flips extremely well for the price. And IMO if I was a beginner who bought a canyon and went "hey this is really fun I kinda want another bali to know what other knives feel like" I'd probably want something extremely different from what I have to get a real contrast. Going from a canyon to a plastic bali like an edit lite or a squiddy is going to be really interesting, because a plastic doesn't have have the momentum of metal but it's light weight makes it very easy and fun to speed through tricks.
I just think that a lot of this conversation is missing what a beginner to this hobby actually wants, and it seems to be based on the assumption that the ultimate "goal" of balisong flipping is to become an enthusiast with a large collection of expensive knives. It just isn't realistic.
No thread locker or lube. I got the canyon. It’s really nicefeeling though
It did have replacement hardware though
Ive been waiting for this vid for 2 weeks now 😂
Ive had these options in mind but i still cant pick one (SB PLZ HELP)
Canyon
Vulp
Orion
Squiddy AL
Canyon all the way as a first, cheap balisong. While it is on the heavy side, the Canyon is made of more durable materials with fantastic grip all around, besides maybe the jimping. The Canyon can carry momentum really well, and is a comfortable balisong to flip thanks to the smoothed body and edges. However, make sure to check and see if your Canyon arrived with a reduced handle gap. Mine did, and I have some slight concerns about it in the long run, but Amazon and Nabalis has ya covered there. For the low price of $40-$50, you are pretty much commiting highway robbery with what you are getting here.
The Orion V1.5 is the overall best flipper of the bunch, but it is currently really hard to get ahold of due to the limited stock. I am still currently hunting one myself and eagerly awaiting to buy it.
The Vulp is a great starter package, but not an overall great flipper due to its slipperiness and inability to hold proper chaplins. I speak from experience that the Vulp is kind of a meh balisong overall that you will outgrow rather quickly. The balance is fine, the feel is ... hollow, and the handle bias is a little too drastic for my taste. It took a long while until I managed to learn how to fan on that balisong. But, the Vulp does have everything you need to educate you on how to maintain your balisong as well as do proper maintenance, which is pretty nice. It's a solid option that comes in many colors, and also a nifty bottle opener if you're into that. But I don't think I could recommend the Vulp over a Canyon in terms of sheer flipping performance and durability.
As for the Squiddy AL, it's a mixed bag. $85 for an aluminum squid product is actually an enticing offer. The grip texture is fantastic, the overall build is high quality, and the non-lethal appearance will probably draw less raised eyebrows. However, this balisong is still only running on a washer system, so tuning will take some more finesse. The pinless design is also a bit uncertain in terms of longevity. This is aluminum on aluminum, so in theory the balisong won't eat away its handle gap like some other super pricey offerings. But I would rather clack steel-on-steel since I know that it will probably not beat super easily. The price is not too bad, but I don't think I'd pay any more than the asking $85 for extra colors. As for the balance, this thing is what most would call the standard squiddy experience, but metal now. Squiddy's tend to have a strange neutral balance in terms of how they flip. Overall, not a bad option, though I don't know if I could recommend it over the others here.
My overall ranking would be
Canyon > Orion > Vulp > Squiddy AL
*If the Orion v1.5 is available, scoop that up first!
For a beginner, Canyon or Vulp?
Either, but I prefer the canyon
Ay where the thumbnail at
Someone should do a side by side comparison with a Kershaw lucha. I'd bet the Canyon wins
There is no reason to campare. I talked to Ethan about this and he said the Lucha is unflappable for him.
No contest canyon wins, I don't even need to try a lucha again to know that
What, you don't like 10lb numbchucks slamming your knuckles and making razor sharp blades go even deeper in your fingers than they should?
is the canyon durable?
I’ve been beating mine and it’s fine. The only thing that gets noticeably damaged is the edge of the blade which isn’t a huge deal imo. But if you don’t want to deal with the edge getting beat up the trainer shouldn’t have that problem
IMO canyon better than the original vulp
I did not get lube or threadlocker
When are they restocking the Canyon?🤔
they said in April
amazon has some canyons in stock
Alriti thn thnx mn
Got in a fatal crash while watching this video
I think your view point may be because you haven’t been flipping for that long. Years and years ago there was not a meta for balisongs. There were tons of quirky Balisongs and none of them flipped the same. We are spoiled now. Basically you can eventually get used to anything that is flippable. Also having. A wide variety of weird Balisongs can help you learn.
A lot of balisongs flip different now aswell! But this one is definitely different in a way that *could* pose a problem to some beginners which is my point, but it still flips incredibly well!
Under 5 min gang
Still no tap after two weeks!?
Bushings baby
Also BABA IS YOU MENTIONED, WHAT THE FUCK IS A BORING PUZZLE 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥⁉️⁉️⁉️❗️🗣🗣
The vulps pins fall out like jenga blocks tho
True but it is easily fixable with some loctite or glue
@@BladeBias tried loctite it didn’t last long for me
Upgrade to super glue or something like that
@@BladeBias think imma upgrade the whole knife 🔥🔥 🗑️ you wanna try a PM1 from Poikiloblades? I can send it to you
@@BladeBias you wanna try a PM1 from poikiloblades?
Canyon. I mean first
That’s a prysT not a Slift if it doesn’t have the Slift blade
balde bias
5 Billion likes and I'll buy a Canyon.
Uh oh we're getting really close.
reached
First? okay cool
7th
1 like and i will be buying it
did you like your own comment 💀
@@stefishredz no i didn't ☠️
Its out of stock
amazon has some in stock
I'm so far very impressed by it. Cost or not. I feel like the better comparison is the monarch v1 :) with speed channels. The thing that I attributed the slightly slower feel was (yes the material at the end of the handle causing it to carry momentum (but be harder to reverse direction) that it is still breaking in. I notice the horizontal swing to be...a bit sticky, which sometimes just goes away as the blade wears in.