The Results Are Surprising - The New Hummer EV Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test!
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You really should do a real world test of the Hummer. Like golf bag carrying capacity, how many trips to the marina can it make, does the self driving function work for post cocktail hour swervies, etc. also, can it fit in the condo garage? That could be a whole series.
"post cocktail hour swervies" 🤣
True. Anyone driving a $100k hummer that is bright white is definitely drinking and driving. LOL
Is it weird that almost no one watching this can afford to do any of this stuff
I appreciate this comment.
💯%. Its for rich people and dreamers.
Seriously. Zero relevance
@@vinbia taking the time to comment "zero relevance", has zero relevance.
Glad you said almost. Lot of tech people I work with can and would. It’s not an everyman or woman truck, but it isn’t as rare as you would think either.
Case’s experience driving a truck as a daily is really benefitting in his critique of the Ike tests, and his calm and straightforward style accents Andres very well (especially when tempering down Andre’s over-reacting to conditions to match other journalist’s need to over-react).
👏👏👏 LOVE THE SATURDAY MORNING GAUNTLET.....HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
At least it didn't break down this time.
Lol how does the flip hitch do in the stowed away position on driveway entrances/exits? Looks like an expensive asphalt plow
I totally agree. I think those gen y hitches are waaay to clunky in normal fashion let along the stow and plow version.
Sure do miss Mr Truck, you guys are great!
He has his own channel
I still do not see any value in purchase of a hummer first it's reliability is at best one star the rest does not matter
When the industry tells me what's practical and I can't find one thing practical
Thanks for the Hummer EV content
Much appreciated
would like to see Mr.Truck again on towing tests, he's always cool
My hitch, and I suspect most hitches, are the first things to hit when going somewhere that tests the departure angle. And that flip and tow makes that much much much more likely.
If you have the time to flip the hitch like that gen Y, then you have the time to pull the pin and throw it in the bed and not risk hitting. I suppose it would work on the road but even going into a steep driveway would make it hit.
Would love to see Mr.Truck again on the Ike gauntlet, hopefully soon
In the next episode please drive on the right end side of the road, no middle lane camping 😅😊
Exactly. 😂
7500 lbs is the max tow for that monster? Thats less than my little 2.7 F150 tow rating that cost $100,000 less…
This is a luxury toy to anyone buying it and almost none of them will ever tow or go off-road. It's basically GM's G-Wagon.
someone who has the hummer, will have a tow vehicle
That’s less then my 2003 Disco 2 TD5😂 I suspect my 136hp wouldn’t be much fun on the uphill part though 😱🏴
@@edinreviews not by much. or at least not legally. Discos (all variants ive looked at the plate of so far) have a max tow capacity of 3.5 Tonnes (which is about 7700lbs for people who need to use huge numbers to sound impressive rather than using tonnes/tons as a large unit of weight)
@@petelattimer6808 yeah mine is rated at 3.5t. It’s not much more, but it’s definitely more than 7500lbs🤔 Just a little down on power and torque 😱😂 Definitely cost less though 😜🏴
This truck in 5 year pay plan cost more than my 500k wilmington nc inlet house mortgage…….. yeah I’ll stick to my 21 pro4x Titan that I paid 49k for and 0% apr
This was the second Ike for the Hummer. They should have done it on a cold night to show the current draw for the lights and heater being used.
Negligible for an EV with a battery that size and a great pump
Love the Ike videos. Definitely keep them coming. One suggestion though...Start mixing in some Ike runs with older trucks that you can get your hands on. Like maybe a 12V & 24V, LB7/LLY/LBZ, maybe an old 6.5 Detroit, older power strokes, maybe even an old IDI 7.3 if you can get your hands on one. Just think it would be cool to see that.
Hard part is finding one reliable enough
the liability would be far too much. lbz engines are 15-$20k. can you imagine if it blew a piston at WOT.
That would be pretty awesome! It'd be interesting to see what an old V10 Ram could do vs an old 454 GM.
Always a good idea to take your eyes off the road and stare at your cool screen while actively changing lanes. Excellent inherently safe vehicle design.
GM could develop a automatic opening door and y’all would literally complain about it being too dangerous and stressful to operate - oh wait l, too late! (Cadillac Lyriq door handles).
So I’m not surprised that you HATERS find faults in every single thing this company does. Realize I said *haters.* 🙃
Interesting. Thanks. You clearly present the challenges an owner would face. It seems even more unsuited to it's civilian role than a Gelandewagen or Unimog.
Good morning!
too bad traffic was so bad at the top, would have loved to see the time for the hummer. I am still really impressed with the overall performance the HEV has shown compared to the other EV pickup competition when it comes to towing range and how well its regen works.
Who else loves the theme tune?
Same tow rating as my 2021 Ranger.
What's your Rangers 0-60 and 60-0 with that trailer though? 😅 Turning radius? Cost of towing 150 miles?
@@rcguymike range? refuelling time? spouting that sort of nonsense works both ways. how long would it take to tow the same capacity 600 miles in the Hummer (including charging) vs a ranger?
@@petelattimer6808 that's not the test, the majority of people don't tow more than 100 miles in a day. Can you put a gas pump handle in you ranger in the garage and have it full the next day from a virtually unlimited onsite source?
As you discuss efficiency, I think it's important to narrow the discussion to not just EVs or EV trucks, but specifically to EV trucks while towing. So I'd like to see a comparison on screen of the HUMMER EV's efficiency over two Ike Gauntlets verses the observed efficiency in the Lightning and R1T during their Ike Gauntlets. With upcoming EV trucks like the Cybertruck, we're likely to see even larger gaps between baseline/EPA efficiencies and the actual, observed efficiency while towing.
Boy, the fact the Cybertruck is still “upcoming” means it won’t be much of a competitor to GMC’s EV trucks who have had their Hummer EV on the road for going on 2 years now. Please don’t make GM laugh. 😂
@@mybro727 I'm certainly not one to hype the Cybertruck, but it should be a competitive option for those who are looking for more of an SUV/adventure truck. People forget that Tesla is still a startup with limited resources and IP to draw from, so their bringing an EV truck/SUV to market will be a worthy accomplishment.
In my opinion, GM's EVs have always had better underpinnings than Tesla's EVs, but GM hasn't always spoken to numbers the most vocal EV influencers have emphasized (baseline efficiency, range, peak charging speeds, etc.).
On paper, I expect the Cybertruck to look much better than the HUMMER EV, but I'm counting on folk like TFL to show whether those paper numbers actually match reality. Based on what I've seen so far, that's not likely.
The Hummer is an example of more money than brains. Is there a real need for it?
Just think about women's putting fake nails and makeup in his face painting his hair I guess is the same🤣
It’s a test platform for batteries and components.
@@garysarratt1 Since it requires over a 200kWh battery pack, I don't see how it proves anything. Of course, you can add more batteries and move a train. The innovation is doing it efficiently. And so far, based on the Hummer and the Lyriq with its massive battery pack (relative to other vehicles in its class), efficiency seems to be missing from GMs line-up or testing.
The differences you highlight between towing this load and the travel trailer are noteworthy. It says to me that you really need to do more testing with travel trailers and 5th wheels with their big tall profiles.
Is Mr. Truck no longer a friend of the channel. Him and Andre doing the Ikes are the best.
We are friends. Mr Truck returns next week for an Ike Gauntlet.
@@TFLtruck I am so glad to hear that!
What’s that you say? You mean the GMC *Hummer EV* Super-truck _isn’t_ just a worthless pile of unreliable crap that will “break down” on you, but it’s actually a useful pickup that can actually tow and perform the same exact job a ICE Ford Raptor R accomplished but more efficiently and effectively??
No way! It’s almost like y’all can’t figure out whether to unwarrantedly TROLL this truck or to LOVE on it publicly. This channel is all types of confused. 😂
Thanks Andre, the last limb of the show. You and Tommy always have provided the best coming out of this side of town, keep it up!
Was that I-70 stuff recorded on a Sunday? Seemed like the skiers returning back to Denver on a Sunday. I use to go to Denver from GJ on Fridays, the traffic was all West bound, and then when I went back to GJ on Sunday, the traffic was all going East.
I’m glad to see you guys mention the type of trailer you were towing and the difference that makes. I would like to see you all do a fuel economy run with an empty enclosed trailer and then an open trailer that’s twice the weight. This would prove to people that the size and type of trailer makes more of a difference in towing performance than just weight alone.
Also good job mentioning the weight of the Hummer as compared to the trailer. This (and wheelbase) is why HD trucks are far superior to half tons for towing anything.
And can’t help but laugh at Gen Ys version of the true best hitch on the market, the B&W Tow and Stow.
The Drop on that Tow Hitch is ridiculous, thats got to be hanging down almost a foot... If you had to go over even mildly uneven terrain that thing is digging into the ground
Towing capacity on a 6-figure vehicle... Biggest fail besides the price.
What, you don’t like a max tow that’s 2k less than the weight of your truck? Lmao that would be like a Silverado that tows a max of like 3,600lbs haha. I know that’s not accurate, you have to figure by percentage but it’s still a joke.
They should try B&W hitches
I would love to see the Hummer back a trailer in different steering modes. I think if you line the Hummer up with where you want to go and use crabwalk, backing up would be a breeze.
Not something I would ever purchase, but this is good, quality content guys. Interesting 🤔 welcome Saturday morning!
Thanks for the kind words. Very much appreciated!
@@TFLtruck Maybe range should be a separate star, equal to energy (or gallons) remaining divided by full battery (or tank). If a recharge or refuel is required to finish the test then no star should be given for range.
For example in this test the Hummer EV's stars for range would be:
Full battery ≈ 212 kWh (9:34)
Total energy used = 168 kWh (23:04)
→ (212 kWh - 168 kWh)/212 kWh ≈ 0.20 stars for range
Also why not calculate efficiency before scoring efficiency because the Hummer EV’s MPGe on this test is much higher than that score would indicate.
Hummer EV with 37" MTs towing 7500lbs efficiency:
Distance driven = 164 mi (23:04)
Total energy used = 168 kWh (23:04)
→ 164 mi/168 kWh ≈ 0.97 mi/kWh
1 gallon of gasoline = 33.7 kWh (EPA)
→ 0.97*33.7 ≈ 32.6 MPGe
From a guy that has driven the "Ike Gauntlet" about a thousand times, if you can, make the drive early in the morning. I usually try to hit it around 4 to 5 am during the week. Yeah, I know it's early, but you would have a lot more freedom for your tests, unencumbered by traffic.
What about darkness for video filming?
@@TFLtruck Lights? They are an amazing invention. Been around for a couple years now. They let you see where you are going, let you see what you want to look at up close too. Filming lights work really well. Even flashlights can get the job done. ;) Scenery is nice, but let's face it, you are testing vehicles for their performance more than a scenic tour of the IKE that people could see in thousands of videos prior. lol Keep an eye on the comments, we can help you with these solutions. 🤣
@@WW-wf8tu Couldn't have said it better myself.
They are youtubers man, they got soft hands. Ain't gonna get up that early lol
I would love to see how many decibels in that tunnel ...MY SURROUND SOUND SURE GOT LOUDER .... 👏👏👏
That's a good point.
Dre sure does love his hitches
I feel like those Gen Y hitches are like a 10# sledge hammer being used to hammer nails into a fence.... And they look dumb.
Absolutely. They are huge and bulky with all those cheap looking clips all over it.
🇺🇸 did it die Again? I have better things for the $140,000!
No it didn’t die it did great towing
I doubt you have anything of great value. You're not that smart. If you do it was given too you.
I would like to see the info if the vehicle nav estimates were close and if it indicated if you would make it back.
Have you guys ever done a towing comparison test to show the impact of wind resistance on fuel economy when towing? It might be interesting to do the Ike with a taller travel trailer, then a lower flat bed trailer of about the same weight to see how drastic the difference is. My guess is that the travel trailer would use about 25% more fuel.
oh, no, aerodynamics makes a HUGE difference towing. the most direct example i can give you is that one time i towed a sports car on a flatbed with my ram 1500, about 5k lbs towed. my normal MPG on that truck was 17, towing took it down to 16. that same truck towing a 4k travel trailer? 9mpg. aero is HUGE on MPG.
I want to see Alex the cameraman’s Ram on 37” tires do this to see how it performs 👍🏼
Zero brake applications on the way down, 500 brake applications on the way up. 🤣
Since you say you have to use cruise control with EVs, you should put a camera on the trailer aimed at the brake lights. Then have that in the corner of the video with a brake counter. I would like to know, I am sure we all do, how many times it activates the trailer brakes. I am sure it did.
Not sure this would work. If it’s anything like my Q4 the brake lights come on when the regen reaches a certain point, even if the brakes haven’t been used. You’d have no way of knowing if the brake lights were from the trailer braking or the regen alone🤔
The Ike is the toughest towing for gasoline and diesel vehicles but not for BEVs. Actually because of the thinner atmosphere it's easier for BEVs. The Coquihalla in British Columbia has steeper grades but lower elevations.
I agree with Mark, after all how many people can afford EV truck let alone EV cars. Most of us can barely afford used vehicles now.
I'd like to make a recommendation as someone who tows a lot. I have a 26' enclosed car trailer that I use to tow my SXS, race car, motorcycles, etc. Here are my recommendations:
1. Use an enclosed trailer. The increased aerodynamic drag will stress the truck more and be more real world. Most of use aren't towing a vehicle with all of our belongings inside on an open trailer.
2. Stop using the Ike as the tow test. Because of the cooler ambient temperatures on the Ike the vehicles you're testing never overheat. If you start using other mountains/hills that may be lower altitude but higher ambient temperatures you will see more vehicles fail your test. Most of us aren't towing over the Ike but we are towing up mountains and hills that will require a lot of shifting. In this scenario you will see transmission temps and oil/water temps rise to maximum or put the vehicle into limp mode. This type of testing will show problems in transmission shift logic and cooling issues. A lot of the newer trucks don't have transmission coolers or engine oil coolers that are up to the task.
Just some recommendations. I do enjoy your videos, thanks.
Thank you for the suggestion. Like we said, we used an enclosed camping trailer for the previous test, and an open trailer for this one.
@@TFLtruck thanks for the reply. Doing a comparison with the same trailer on a road trip with the electric F150 vs the F150 Lightning would be a great comparison video. It would really expose the downfalls of electric when towing and road-tripping. Compare the cost and also the time needed to complete the trip.
Another thing not many channels are talking about is the environmental impact of electric vehicles. The farce that electric vehicles are better for the environment is completely false. What are we going to do with all of these millions of massive batteries when they are inoperative in 5 years? Talk about what goes into the mining and creation of a battery. We have 20 year old ICE vehicles on the road still, can we say that about any electric vehicle? How many batteries will an electric vehicle go through in 20 years? Will these electric vehicles be just like our cell phones and computers, where we throw them away every few years and get a new one because it's more cost effective than repair? EV tech is not ready, just my opinion but most of it is based in fact. Thanks
On the camera that truck sounded super loud - but it looks awesome for towing
Very impressive performance towing and running 37s
The more I see of this vehicle, the more I like. Maybe I live long enough to afford to own one some day 😅
Good bye
That bad boy would be crazy expensive to fill at 38 to 42 cents a KWh at 200kw tank with that efficiency. Gas looks cheap compared
Traffic coming back up was insane! Want nothing to do with that. (who would) Makes me curious how often you have to put up with that living in CO. Surely your NAV systems could have told you if traffic was clear and or how long it would have taken to return.
Nice🎉
Andre, I have a concern about the huge screen. It seems to stick up VERY high. Comparing it with the steering wheel, in the video it looks like it sticks up 3/4 of the way up the steering wheel such that I couldn't see your right hand. My concern is that as a shorter person (5' 8") the screen would stick up so high that it could actually partially block my veiw of the road? Is that an issue or does it just look that way due to the camera angle?
I hope those T-tops don’t leak like my 79 Z-28 did.
I would guess Outside air temperature should have a bigger effect than altitude on EV's. I think a retest when there are warmer temperatures is in order. Thank you for sharing and have a great day.
Nah, Bjørn Nyland tested Model S Plaid. Put it on campingmode at 22°C and -4°C outside, batteries held up 4 days.
What cold does is that it makes air denser so air friction increases. Snow and snowtires increases roll resistance, and therefore energy efficiency decreases.
Not a fan of those hitches. Too loose. They bang and move around too much for me.
which is probably why they dont exist in most places, if anywhere outside of North America.
The fact that you always have to worry if you’ll make it back makes these EV trucks useless for most people.
Can you do a towing video with the model Y at max or even over?
What happened to Mr Truck????
He wasn’t on board with the new EV or bust business model. He has his own channel. Search it up.
EVs are a great idea/novelty until…..the real world kicks in & you get in traffic lol
Shouldn’t efficiency rating be .375 stars not .435 stars as stated by Andre? .25 from Colt .50 from Andre added together = .75 divided by 2 = .375?
What was the energy pull like comparing that clear uphill run vs the stop and go? EVs are supposed to be better than ICE setups in stop and go traffic, after all - curious how it impacts towing with constantly yanking the load from 0 mph.
I would like to see you test the Hummer or any EV using the exact same trailer & payload when it's cold & then when it's hot outside to see if the outside temperatures affected the battery & performance.
They should redo this test because of the traffic congestion when they can go up and down the IKE uninterrupted.
I think the Hummer performed and scored as well as it did because it punches so far below its weight class for towing. Like you said, it's really most comparable to a 3/4 ton truck in its weight and construction, and any new diesel 3/4 ton would pass a 7500lb towing test with flying colors as well. To me, the fact that the Hummer is built like an HD but can only tow like a midsize should have cost it at least half a star, maybe more, especially considering how other electric trucks are able to tow more weight while being smaller and lighter than the Hummer.
In other words, praising the Hummer as a good towing rig is like praising an NFL quarterback playing in a pee-wee football game: of course he's going to score a lot of points
@ the fast lane truck. Do a Ike with a manual 2015 VW TDI sportwagen. I’ve towed 2 unhauls and get 33 mpg.
i know the US gallon is smaller than ours, but 33mpg from a GOLF? how big/heavy were your trailers?
11:35 And that Ladies and Gentlemen is why many Trains are diesel Electric: you get the ease of maintenance, the insane torque and lower vibration and durability of an electric drivetrain, and the energy density of diesel. The experience shows we are inching towards an electric future, in particular, if we double the energy density, which seems possible in a few years. (let's say a decade).
That Flip&tow hitch looks super gimmicky. It’s huge, cumbersome and ruins clearance.
I'd rather you kept the score being out of a hundred. To me it gives a better impression of how the vehicles stack up
After the infrastructure is established the electric vehicle will still be a problem. It will still take way too long to charge your EV, but you will have more places to do it. That doesn't solve the lack of range problem for the EV
These GM cameras on the Hummer are very good but the camera on my '18 Tahoe has to be the worst rear camera I have ever had on any vehicle I have driven.
What about going across flat land?
That traffic was brutal! One thing you guys didn't go over, were the brakes actually dragging the whole time going downhill? If not, then you had no brake applications during the run? Does that mean there's no loss of braking performance going downhill at all?
Probably all regen by what they said in the video. No use of friction brakes.
It regens about 70kW going downhill at this speed. As the battery is designed for charging speeds of up to 350kW, I would think that the truck can go down without friction brakes as long as the battery is not fully charged.
I wonder if the trailer break at all
@@bernhardjordan9200 Pretty sure I read that GM has it programmed to go off of actual brake pedal movement, so since they didn't touch the pedal then no the trailer wouldn't have used it's brakes.
@@bernhardjordan9200 that’s a really good point. Hopefully the manufacturer designed the regen braking to trigger the trailer brake signal wire.
Okay I'm gonna guess that it used a ton of power and can't really tow that far....because that would not be surprising. At all. and you hit traffic at 4:15pm? also not a surprise. So what was the surprise? Just sayin.
Will a 10 year old EV pickup retain value like a 10 year old Diesel pickup? Will EV owners have much trade in value compared to ICE pickup trucks?
8 lug truck with a 7,500lb towing capacity... Sign me up!
So the 0.8 kWh per mile they averaged works out to an average power consumption at 60 mph of 75 kw. If they had a small ICE powering a 75 kw generator on board they would end up with the battery at the same state of charge when they started. BTW, 75 kw equates to only 56 hp, so an ICE capable of producing about twice that should be adequate for the task.
did you push the towing capacity limit to see how much weight it could tow?
@21:19 I'm not EVEN going to ask what you did to tie down the Wrangler. wtf guys?
The hummer broke down in traffic on day one. That’s all we needed to see on how reliable it is. Let’s get back to attainable vehicles we can all afford.
Grow up and think.
Yep, I too enjoy reviews of vehicles that I can afford. That's why I love the Motorweek retro reviews from the early '00s haha.
@@garysarratt1 You said it wayy nicer than I was. Realize how that video is a talking point for most trolls here. *PAY ATTENTION FOLKS.* TFL knew exactly what they were doing by posting that bogus video of the Hummer “breaking down”.
Now they’re back tracking talking about how amazing/impressive/well engineered it is, yet again. 🤡
GM stop sending these folks and their biased viewers your product. I’m sure there are reviewers who would love to review them without all the negativity and anti-EV bias. 🤷🏽♂️
Because no gas car has ever done that
@@mikegordon3436 Show me a $115,000 gasoline one that has.
0.6 mi per kWh is 20 mpg. I get the range sucks, but your category is efficiency, not range.
Perhaps you should add another category of range. And compare the gas engines as well.
That and over the whole test (23:04) it got 0.97 mi/kWh or 32.6 MPGe... not going to find many trucks that can achieve that with 37" MTs while towing 7500lbs no less.
I wonder if you reduced the trailer brake assist and just let the trailer push the truck if that would increase the regen?
I mean it would burn up the truck brakes bur at least you could go a little further. 🤷♂️
regen doesn't use the physical brakes.
It did better work-wise (i.e. due to larger battery!) than the F150 Lightning, but it STILL SHOWS that Li-Ion EV battery tech is NOT the way to go! There's a fix for that and it's finally in the here and now and just needs to get into the hands of manufacturers!
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I don't think efficiency is the right word in this case. After all, the electric motor is extremely efficient. Especially when you already mentioned the EV ability to recoup energy on the down hill. Perhaps practicality, productivity or maybe proficiency would be better choices.
Anyway, measure the noise at ear level.
If it had proper mirrors it wouldn't need all of those cameras. The camera coming up on the center screen I have found is more distracting than useful. And what was surprising? It has plenty of power and the ability to use those powerful motors to slow itself down with just like a freight train. I suppose a video title of EV Hummer does the Ike easily wouldn't get as many views.
It’s like watching rich people play with their toys and you were hoping for excitement but it really does bums you out!
Try try it on Grapevine on California going up south bound and down northbound.
Hey don't you guys at T f L get tired of driving I 70? You spend so much time on it.
No EV for me....but good test.....I coulda pictured someone like Hugh Heffner driving this out with his bunnies....
The thing I’m interested in is how much will it cost to replace the batteries at the end of their life given the rate of inflation, the cost of disposal, and the cost of electric energy during the batteries lifespan. That will be the true measure of electric vs ice vehicles. I’m betting electric vehicles will fail miserably.
It's a really good point. I'm thinking the strategy with EVs is to lease or own them for 3 to 5 years, then trade them in for a new one. I think the days of owning a vehicle that you drive into the ground over 15 or 20 years are over with EVs. Right now I have a 10-year-old 4runner that I would expect to get at least another 10 years out of, if I owned an EV I would be trying to dump it.
What happens if the battery dies towing up the hill?
I'd rather have the Jeep.
My ford ranger tremor can tow 7.500 lbs
How many workers not contractors that can right the truck off on there business But working men or women can afford a 120k truck That only lasts five years tops ✌️🙏🇨🇦🇺🇸
Humvee sticking to its impracticality and inefficiency of the 90s and 00’s. I bet money I’ll see these crab crawling at Costco before I see them towing or hauling on I70 lol. Using electricity doesn’t make these any better than it’s diesel or ICE of the past
I saw one of these in Fort Collins, they are beyond massive. Really, what’s the point? A status symbol is the only real answer.
Thats a common place for a jeep on a trailer being towed
The only electric truck i like so far, although the price is crazy