Thank you for sharing your work. It’s a bit out of my expertise (I’m an elec engr) but I always love to learn new things. Happens that I have all required materials on hand but first I’m looking forward to seeing how you put it all together
Looking forward to seeing the mixing and packing of the tetrazine and inap into percussion caps. Might I assume you're going to use the nitrocellulose glue to keep things in place?
I'd love to pick your brain for a moment. I was hoping you could tell me how you applied the aluminum powder to the prim all. I was wondering if you replaced the glass for the aluminum powder. Or if you added it separately. Thanks for the help and thank you for all the wonderful videos!!!!
I did not adjust the mixture for Prime All. I just added the aluminum to the existing formula. Same with TO24 in reverse - I just removed the AL for a regular cap but did not adjust the other ratios. I've since decided to just shoot magnums fron now on.
@@timesgonetech3057 thank you for the information. I wasn't sure how much you used. I don't mind the orange color but I definitely wanted to up the power level. I really appreciate it
Good video 👍 I don’t understand the ill intentions of ppl with asking the can I make a **** it’s ppl like that give chemists and energetic chemistry a very bad name we’re just trying to come up with solutions to shortages the primer and percussion cap manufacturers can’t handle I love shooting my 338LM but can’t find the large rifle magnum primers to reload them so I’ve been making my own for over a year now love me some EPM8!!! great work thanks for the video your compound is giving ppl more options I thank you sir
My feeling is they're more concerned could someone else misuse the information, not so much can they actually make a bomb themselves. Back in the 1960s the word "explosives" had positive connotations - bringing to mind mining, quarrying, tunneling, clearing tree stumps. The US Department of Agriculture even published a pamphlet detailing to farmers how to mix fertilizer and diesel fuel and even how to make blasting caps... for blowing duck and cattle ponds. Today the same word conjures images of bombs and terrorists. Sign of the times I guess.
Terry I am going to say thank you for the warning at the beginning of this video, as I think it was very wise of you to place that in writing at the beginning. As for uNAP, I would not recommend using that for use with Black Powder pistols, for the same reason I would not recommend using a compound that reacts to brass or aluminum for percussion caps as the words of R. Benson come to mind.
I can't say I agree with your assessment. Mercury fulminate breaks down slowly in contact with brass and it was quite successful in percussion caps and cartridge primers for pert near a hundred years. I guess the trick is don't make them and then put them on a shelf for 10 years. Make small batches and shoot them as they're made and problem solved! I think it's also a mistake to think mercury was replaced because of health issues. That's a modern idea. It was replaced with lead so they clearly weren't thinking about health and safety the way we do. Mercury was replaced primarily because lead based explosives are more stable in the long term and less sensitive to moisture and the replacement itself was driven mostly by the military who wanted large long term stockpiles.
@@timesgonetech3057 I made the choice to make all the common organic peroxides and some of the rarely talked about ones. It was fun but I have no reason to make any of them again because there are better options. Except for MEK, I find that one interesting and it has uses in polymer technology. I only compared NAP To TATP because they are both so simple to make, that's it. And it's true that NAP crystals are pretty.
@@timesgonetech3057 they are pretty. Do you always make the isopropyl version or do you sometimes make regular NAP for your caps ? I am wondering because sometimes I get those blood red crystals and other times the product is lighter in color and has a white powder with it. Have you ever noticed this ? I'm wondering if the white powder is leftover unreacted ammonium perchlorate and if you have ever seen this ? I always weigh out the same amounts of reagents so IDK what is causing what I described.
@@jordanhess2061 the guy to ask is Dug at Energetic America. I've never made NAP because the long crystals are hard to grind down withought setting them off (according to Dug). I've made iNAP twice and have not seen the results you describe.
I pulled it due to potential You Tube policy violations. They didn't say anything, I just did a pre-emptive pull before it became an issue. I might edit and reload but it served its purpose.
Why from hundreds of energetic material you choose NAP. I understand that its new and its a good primary explosive but that doesnt mean that this stuff will be a good priming compound. It may go from fast burning to detonation in percussion cap and destroy it as NAP is very powerfull. Detonation is not something good for priming compound. All commonly used primers are not capable to detonate at conditions in percussion caps. For example mercury fulminate has long deflagration to detonation distanse it is used in percussion caps, in opposite lead azide that detonates in single crystal never used in percussion caps. NAP is pretty close to lead azide. DDNP is good for primers, lead styphnate, they also do not detonate in low quantities. Also you can make pretty good priming compound using for example potassium clorate -Sb2S3 based mix without synthesis at all.
No, I haven't. I don't actually work much with energetics. I was looking for a replacement for antimony and found iNAP, developed TO24 and that's as far as I've gone with it. What happens with ethyl alcohol?
That's where you would use your math skills to make a prediction, same way with methanol. Chemistry isn't just a cookbook if you want to be experimental.
@@timesgonetech3057 I don't know what happens with ethyl alcohol either, I was just curious ad my eyes are no longer good enough to work with energetics. As for your attitude about further experimeningg, no problem. If it ain't broke, don't fix it
@@Jagdtyger2A don't get me wrong, it could be an interesting experiment. But someone better qualified than I should do it. I'm an engineer. I build things and test them to see if they work, and why. But I can follow a recipe.
I have a question what about heat? If you live in a hot area is it best to make these percussion caps in the winter time instead of in the middle of the summer?
The only problem in the summer is tetrazene decomposes at 190 degrees Fahrenheit so if you live anywhere it gets that hot you could have bigger problems. But seriously in an enclosed area like a car out in the direct sun in the desert it could be a problem with any primer because they nearly all include tetrazene.
Problem is it's a lot more powerful than iNAP and iNAPs already right at the high end of desired brisance. I think uNAP would make a better blasting detonator.
Damned fools that want to make destructive devices anytime the discussion turns to energetic chemistry. They remind me of the guys that ask to learn about blacksmithing. I show them how I set up my forge. I start them shaping their first set of tongs, and before they are half through making those first tongs, they start going on and on about how they are going to make a Damascus Sword and asking "When can I make them a billet of patterned steel, to get them started?" "How long does it take to make a 34 inch sword blade?". I do not make swords. I have made forty feet of chain, 500 nails, and lots of tongs, hammers, and other tools to make tools. I do not make terror devices. Chemistry is cool. Energetic chemistry can be useful and cost effective for making workhorse tools like percussion caps, propellant, rocket motors, pretty fireworks as part of a local club. It a person is interested in terror talk, I want nothing to do with them. They are going down the wrong path if they are looking here for that kind of information anyway.
I have a great deal of respect for swordsmiths and for those who can and do teach the art to others. I've made knives and a small sword and I know how hard it is. Like any weapon the sword is harmless without the idiot holding it.
@@timesgonetech3057 no disrespect for bladesmiths. My point is that I have blacksmith skills. Moving hot steel under a hammer, forge welding, etc. These are fundamental skills for a future bladesmiths, skills that they seek me out to learn. But because of their fantasies they snub the lessons. I see a similar lack of self awareness in the folks that seek out energetic chemistry and talk or at least ask about applications that will do any of us harm to be party to.
Thank you for sharing your work. It’s a bit out of my expertise (I’m an elec engr) but I always love to learn new things.
Happens that I have all required materials on hand but first I’m looking forward to seeing how you put it all together
Just a quick note evidently CZcams is coming up with new rules soon might keep an eye out.
Thanx for the heads up!
Thank you so much for sharing this formula with everyone!!! 👍
Looking forward to seeing the mixing and packing of the tetrazine and inap into percussion caps. Might I assume you're going to use the nitrocellulose glue to keep things in place?
Yes, the double base nitrocellulose/nitroglycerin/acetone lacquer is now my standard hardener/water proofer.
More excellent content! Keep it coming. I am learning so much, and eeallt value the information.
I'd love to pick your brain for a moment. I was hoping you could tell me how you applied the aluminum powder to the prim all. I was wondering if you replaced the glass for the aluminum powder. Or if you added it separately. Thanks for the help and thank you for all the wonderful videos!!!!
I did not adjust the mixture for Prime All. I just added the aluminum to the existing formula. Same with TO24 in reverse - I just removed the AL for a regular cap but did not adjust the other ratios. I've since decided to just shoot magnums fron now on.
@@timesgonetech3057 thank you for the information. I wasn't sure how much you used. I don't mind the orange color but I definitely wanted to up the power level. I really appreciate it
Good video 👍 I don’t understand the ill intentions of ppl with asking the can I make a **** it’s ppl like that give chemists and energetic chemistry a very bad name we’re just trying to come up with solutions to shortages the primer and percussion cap manufacturers can’t handle I love shooting my 338LM but can’t find the large rifle magnum primers to reload them so I’ve been making my own for over a year now love me some EPM8!!! great work thanks for the video your compound is giving ppl more options I thank you sir
My feeling is they're more concerned could someone else misuse the information, not so much can they actually make a bomb themselves. Back in the 1960s the word "explosives" had positive connotations - bringing to mind mining, quarrying, tunneling, clearing tree stumps. The US Department of Agriculture even published a pamphlet detailing to farmers how to mix fertilizer and diesel fuel and even how to make blasting caps... for blowing duck and cattle ponds. Today the same word conjures images of bombs and terrorists. Sign of the times I guess.
Terry I am going to say thank you for the warning at the beginning of this video, as I think it was very wise of you to place that in writing at the beginning. As for uNAP, I would not recommend using that for use with Black Powder pistols, for the same reason I would not recommend using a compound that reacts to brass or aluminum for percussion caps as the words of R. Benson come to mind.
Who is or was he and what did he say?
I can't say I agree with your assessment. Mercury fulminate breaks down slowly in contact with brass and it was quite successful in percussion caps and cartridge primers for pert near a hundred years. I guess the trick is don't make them and then put them on a shelf for 10 years. Make small batches and shoot them as they're made and problem solved! I think it's also a mistake to think mercury was replaced because of health issues. That's a modern idea. It was replaced with lead so they clearly weren't thinking about health and safety the way we do. Mercury was replaced primarily because lead based explosives are more stable in the long term and less sensitive to moisture and the replacement itself was driven mostly by the military who wanted large long term stockpiles.
They are only similar as far as ease of manufacture.
Its like TATPs prettier, nice sister that won't try to kill you when you sleep over 😂
The Mother Of Satan has no "nice", "pretty" sister. Avoid the entire family or lose a few fingers and an eye... your choice...
@@timesgonetech3057 I made the choice to make all the common organic peroxides and some of the rarely talked about ones.
It was fun but I have no reason to make any of them again because there are better options.
Except for MEK, I find that one interesting and it has uses in polymer technology.
I only compared NAP To TATP because they are both so simple to make, that's it.
And it's true that NAP crystals are pretty.
@@jordanhess2061 true enough. I've made ATP before too. I love those blood red crystals NAP makes. :-)
@@timesgonetech3057 they are pretty.
Do you always make the isopropyl version or do you sometimes make regular NAP for your caps ?
I am wondering because sometimes I get those blood red crystals and other times the product is lighter in color and has a white powder with it.
Have you ever noticed this ?
I'm wondering if the white powder is leftover unreacted ammonium perchlorate and if you have ever seen this ? I always weigh out the same amounts of reagents so IDK what is causing what I described.
@@jordanhess2061 the guy to ask is Dug at Energetic America. I've never made NAP because the long crystals are hard to grind down withought setting them off (according to Dug). I've made iNAP twice and have not seen the results you describe.
Great info...one question....how much Tetrazene did you use in this formulation?
And what happened to S03 E24?
I found removed by the uploader
Watch Part C coming up! :-)
I pulled it due to potential You Tube policy violations. They didn't say anything, I just did a pre-emptive pull before it became an issue. I might edit and reload but it served its purpose.
Why from hundreds of energetic material you choose NAP. I understand that its new and its a good primary explosive but that doesnt mean that this stuff will be a good priming compound. It may go from fast burning to detonation in percussion cap and destroy it as NAP is very powerfull. Detonation is not something good for priming compound. All commonly used primers are not capable to detonate at conditions in percussion caps. For example mercury fulminate has long deflagration to detonation distanse it is used in percussion caps, in opposite lead azide that detonates in single crystal never used in percussion caps. NAP is pretty close to lead azide. DDNP is good for primers, lead styphnate, they also do not detonate in low quantities. Also you can make pretty good priming compound using for example potassium clorate -Sb2S3 based mix without synthesis at all.
I'm actually using iNAP, not NAP, and it works great in percussion caps. Easy and safe to make and responds very well with tetrazene as a sensitizer.
@@timesgonetech3057 iNAP is NAP made using isopropanol, that is still NAP
@@timesgonetech3057iNAP is still NAP, It may work great but your choose is still weird. I would use something else.
Have you tried replacing the Isopropyl alcohol with 90-95% pure ethel alcohol instead of your example?
No, I haven't. I don't actually work much with energetics. I was looking for a replacement for antimony and found iNAP, developed TO24 and that's as far as I've gone with it. What happens with ethyl alcohol?
That's where you would use your math skills to make a prediction, same way with methanol. Chemistry isn't just a cookbook if you want to be experimental.
@@timesgonetech3057 I don't know what happens with ethyl alcohol either, I was just curious ad my eyes are no longer good enough to work with energetics. As for your attitude about further experimeningg, no problem. If it ain't broke, don't fix it
@@Jagdtyger2A don't get me wrong, it could be an interesting experiment. But someone better qualified than I should do it. I'm an engineer. I build things and test them to see if they work, and why. But I can follow a recipe.
@@timesgonetech3057 No problem, I am inherently curious and have been stuffing my mind with eberything I can since 1962
I have a question what about heat?
If you live in a hot area is it best to make these percussion caps in the winter time instead of in the middle of the summer?
The only problem in the summer is tetrazene decomposes at 190 degrees Fahrenheit so if you live anywhere it gets that hot you could have bigger problems. But seriously in an enclosed area like a car out in the direct sun in the desert it could be a problem with any primer because they nearly all include tetrazene.
The uNAP should be insensitive enough and small enough crystals to use for caps/primers.
Problem is it's a lot more powerful than iNAP and iNAPs already right at the high end of desired brisance. I think uNAP would make a better blasting detonator.
Damned fools that want to make destructive devices anytime the discussion turns to energetic chemistry.
They remind me of the guys that ask to learn about blacksmithing. I show them how I set up my forge. I start them shaping their first set of tongs, and before they are half through making those first tongs, they start going on and on about how they are going to make a Damascus Sword and asking "When can I make them a billet of patterned steel, to get them started?" "How long does it take to make a 34 inch sword blade?".
I do not make swords. I have made forty feet of chain, 500 nails, and lots of tongs, hammers, and other tools to make tools.
I do not make terror devices. Chemistry is cool. Energetic chemistry can be useful and cost effective for making workhorse tools like percussion caps, propellant, rocket motors, pretty fireworks as part of a local club.
It a person is interested in terror talk, I want nothing to do with them. They are going down the wrong path if they are looking here for that kind of information anyway.
I have a great deal of respect for swordsmiths and for those who can and do teach the art to others. I've made knives and a small sword and I know how hard it is. Like any weapon the sword is harmless without the idiot holding it.
@@timesgonetech3057 no disrespect for bladesmiths. My point is that I have blacksmith skills. Moving hot steel under a hammer, forge welding, etc. These are fundamental skills for a future bladesmiths, skills that they seek me out to learn. But because of their fantasies they snub the lessons. I see a similar lack of self awareness in the folks that seek out energetic chemistry and talk or at least ask about applications that will do any of us harm to be party to.