And is a fast way for them to find themselves with broken fingers, as well as having to buy thousands of dollars in tools at once, because nobody will let them borrow anymore......
Morte Parla that’s exactly why my box is locked when I’m done for the day and heading out. Well that and theft protection. If I’m not going to be there the next day either planned or unexpectedly nobody can touch my stuff!
I cut off the younger techs in my shop after like you said the 3 times rule, I watched them borrow my tools multiple times, granted they treated them well and brought them back clean, buy they made no efforts to purchase their own, so that ended my box full of tools feeding another family.
The way I learned, if you borrowed it TWICE...the third time you Buy. When it comes to the younger Techs borrowing my tools, I tell them that. Also I've worked with good young techs that get me lunch at the same time they borrow my tools!
Rule #1 ASK, rule.#2 if you break it you bought it, it happens, just own it. #3 the 3x use rule. #4 return it promptly, and CLEAN. #5 return it how the other tech wants it returned....that was never an issue for me, but yea. excellent video
I play both sides of this, as both the loaner and the benefactor but I follow the borrow it and give it back better mantra. I even offer to help repair/maintain my shop-mates tools that I may not have even damaged. I am personally very tight on the borrow it three times and buy it rules, generally speaking if I run into something I need even ONCE I am 90% likely to need it again so I usually purchase tools that I find that I've borrowed once (and hey, most of the tools in my five-drawer cart get used almost every day). Great vid FRM!
Tools are expensive. I never had a problem when I was young tech I always returned the tool clean unbroken and if I did break it I always told them . I also made it a policy to tell them when I return the tool and never ever forgot to say thank you for letting me barrow that tool. Treat others as you want to be treated and show respect as well.
Early in my career I worked with a guy that would go on the tool truck and order tools on my account that I borrowed from him. I respect that so much now.
So many true things said there! I've had plenty of arguments with guys not respecting my tools, tools i spend a good time paying, cleanimg, maintaining and organising. Great video man!
I’m becoming a tech and honestly I’ve been following all these rules since I was kid.. every time I use one of my dads tools I follow these rules, clean them the second your done and put them back where you found it/where dad wants it. It’s just respect at the end of the day
I am a shade tree putz who loves his cars/toys. I work in the telecom world but I have tons of friends who own shops and I have worked on my personal toys in their shops/ lifts during slow times or after hours. I always show how much I appreciate it ( a case of wobble pops or maybe a bottle of good stuff or....... even a real nice cigar goes a LONG way) and the tools I use are always better than I find them. My point is respect and appreciation is a must!
This is a good topic and you make a lot of sense about how the lender of the tool wants it returned. Not to mention giving it back cleaner than when you borrow it. You don't want other Techs to be reluctant to lend you THEIR money makers because of bad habits or anything.
We had a guy who was notorious for "borrowing" tools without asking and either not bringing them back or breaking them and trying to hide it. He works in a separate building which really made it a pain in the ass. He was talked to and continued to do it so my solution was this: I made a list titled "TOOLS TAKEN AND NOT RETURNED" complete with clip art pictured of tools and a cartoon thief. I had 2 sections labeled "ITEMS TAKEN" and "LOCATION FOUND & TIME LOST". I hung one copy on my tool box and one at the service desk where anyone could see it. He was mad but I told him if he took it down I'd make it a size larger each time. So he if he didn't want the sign or the list of tools to get any bigger hed best quit while he was ahead and just start returning/replacing tools immediately. That did the trick
I'm looking at the DeWalt connected batteries for some of my stuff. It is an app that I have that will allow you to monitor your DeWalt tools/batteries. One of the features is the "Lend" function. This allows you to lend a tool "hey I just need it for an hour" and to shut down the tool/battery after a time preset by you. The battery will not even recharge without the owner's consent!
Hey I'm an old fart, turned 50 last Sept. Around 5 years ago tried out pipe fitting in an old field shop. I'll never forget the guy that had no tools, made no effort.. He'd borrow tools and just leave them behind when he was done. Confronted me when I started locking my tool box at work. Got sick and tired of locating my tools at the end of the day
My rule of thumb is this, if you have to borrow it more than twice YOU need to buy one because after the third use I'll say no and you can let the boss know you don't have the tool to complete the job. I understand new techs need time to build up tools, but you have to also make sure you're not the one providing tools for everyone because they don't wanna spend the money and become dependent on you.
Great advice ! What is bad when they keep borrowing a tool and you say something to them about it and they tell you they are not going to pay that much for the tool they keep borrowing. That is when you send them away !!
I recently started at a shop(Mavis actually.I know some will say thats not a real shop lol)Anyway,my Brother works there and we shared a box and tools when I started.Now Im a few months in and have my own stuff(box,gun,and hand tools).My collection isnt complete but I rarely have to borrow anything.Its a good feeling knowing you have your own stuff to work with.When I do borrow a tool I follow a few simple rules.1)bring it back as soon as Im done.2)make sure to wipe it off(even if you dont see anything on it,trust me its dirty) 3)thank the person who lent it to me.A little respect goes a LONG way
I'm not a tech but my friends have told me its their policy after a constant bad experiences to not lend out the tools anymore . It seems people just don't get it and their tired of teaching common sense, LOL Good tips and i hope it gets thru to those that just don't get it.
great video dude I got so sick of others I work with having literally no tools I started locking my box every time I wasn't in it I even had my boss giving out he couldn't get into my tool box for a tool
I had a service manager tell me to loan a scan tool to a D tech once. Told him when he pays my tool bill he can decide who uses my tools. He literally threatend to fire me. Thing was at this location was a certain line, and the recon shop. In the recon shop we worked directly for the head manager of all the service deptments in the auto group. I simply dialed my phone , asked ' Mike' do I work for you , or do I work for ' Joe', he said you work for and report directly to me , put 'Joe ' on the phone. He literally came to our location, spanked Joe in front of all of the recon shop, and the techs that worked for Joe and explained to all these new techs how things work . It was pretty nice to be taken care of that way.
Good advice- I intuitively knew this borrowing but later loaning I was shocked when it wasn’t reciprocated. It took me abit to make the rules. Thanks man👍
I can understand and I have not even lent out one tool or broke into the industry yet. I haven't even graduated Tech school and have invested 6 thousand on Tools and a Tool box, just the thought of someone asking to borrow a tool kind of irks me. Hey man great video I'm subscribed now
As a teenager I came up the greased pole by... Being confronted with a mechanical problem Identifying said problem and then learning the procedure to repair it Buy/rent the tools that I needed but did not already have and do the job I came out of each and every mechanical catastrophe with more smarts, more tools and more money still in my pocket and of course, the joy at having done it for myself (and can again when I need to).
Then you of all people, would understand the concept of "developing 20/20 eyesight...in your fingertips"! I did electrical and I could tell you the colour of the wire/stripe I was holding by where my hand was on the plug. Muscle memory is a big timesaver.
Dude great channel. Great video, I couldn't agree more. When it comes to borrowing tools, I always tell that person if it breaks let me know. one time someone borrowed an air hammer, it broke. they didn't say anything and in all honesty I was more pissed than if they would have said something. When I went to use it, found it broke and the tool truck had literally just left. I was thru the roof.
being a newer tech, I always let the person know that their tool is returned, weather is in their hand or just on their box. I will always say something to them so they know for sure it's returned. and of course it's clean
The first time I have to hunt my tool down , or the first time it's put back dirty , or broken they are done. You lost it , you replace it with the exact same tool ,not some craftsman or harbor freight junk. I give the young entry level techs 5 uses before I say buy your own, Do Not ask to barrow my scan tools ,or diagnostic equipment unless we have worked together for awhile , and have a good relationship.
Spot on sir. I like an apprentice that goes and gets the he doesn't have, even if he goes 20 at a time. It shows a wanting that most older guys will appreciate.
I don't work in a shop yet but, I feel like another good way to borrow tools is to get some collateral. Have them give you a tool of equal or greater value, pretty sure they'll more likely to bring it back and not forget to give it back
the tech i work with has a 52in snap on box with a whole gang of tools sometimes but rarely he borrows mine and if he does its just one tool if he doesnt have THAT particular tool. im ok with that. but if you just flat out dont have any tools at all like these new kids we keep hiring...HELL NO!
We all share special tools around the shop, but that is the way it should be, another tech should never come and ask for a basic tool they should have:(
30 years in and when I was starting out it was as you say 3 times time to buy your own.. Theres always going to be something someone has that will make a job easier. Small shop here so we want to get things done.
I’ve never thought about asking them how they want it returned. If they get it out of their box I see where they get it from and clean it and put it back exactly where they got it from but that’s a good point!
All true words i got lucky with a good couple of techsstarting out. but as you said i did invest in myself i bought my own 1/2 impact 3 days in, showed im serous about the job
never worked with guys i couldnt lend from or borrow to but I have yelled at service writer or the service manager for taking stuff out of my box or other without asking. My number one rule is ask before you borrow, ive never said no or been told no from someone else but ive worked with mostly respectfull techs up till now
I'm a DIY'er. I don't lend tools, ever. Had a bad experience with a friend breaking a tool, and saying to me with a straight face, "I'm not paying to replace it. Oh well...YOU let me borrow it". I honestly wanted to brush his teeth with my breaker bar.
To me the worst thing possible is for someone to walk their happy ass over there to my box and take it without asking. That's a guaranteed name goes on the no fly list in my box
Robby's Reviews that's a privilege only bestowed to a very short list of selected individual(s) and only after they've demonstrated that they deserve said privilege
Robby's Reviews LOL me and my buddy I’ve worked with for years do that with each others stuff here and there. New guy tried that once or twice and he leaned real fast that’s not cool. Big pet peeve of mine.
1 reason I love where i am. everyone loans & we only have 1 oil guy who won't buy, we are a small 5 man team & 4 of us really do look after each others tools so i never have to worry about loaning them out. We also kind of try to alternate tools so someone in the shop has it & fill in the blanks when we can.
I love it this way. even the master tech has loaned my stuff on occasion it really helps a team spirit IMO & anything that helps the tool bill stay low has to be a good thing. lol
Me and my buddy who work at the same place always borrow each other’s stuff but we both have a fairly extensive set of tools. There’s a few people in the shop I don’t mind borrowing tools at all. Then there’s a couple guys id never lend anything to because they don’t take care of there own tools and leave them laying every where and in everyone else’s way. One of those don’t lend to guys is our shop foremen.
I do borrow my dad's tools once in a while,I always make sure it is wiped off when I return it.He does the same way,clean.He did almost lose one of my sockets once and did find it.I did break a ratchet of his once and did show him it.It was a Snap On,breaking the drive part off and he never got mad at me.
Personly as a new tech I list the tools I've borrowed from other techs and the number of times I've used them. Every pay check I'll get some of the ones I use the most. Every tool I use from another tech gets brake clean and a rag before I return it.
I'm the youngest guy in the shop by over ten years and these idiots are always borrowing my tools. They never step foot on the tool trucks but always ask how much I paid for something. Maybe if they spent money on tools instead of cigarettes they could buy tools. As you clearly see I don't like those fuckers.
Tell them to purchase there own tools and stop allowing them to use yours. If you don't address the issue they will just continue to use you for your tools that you invested in purchasing. It's comical to not own your own tools in this field.
its all about respect, I left a scrapper on the wheel balancer and it got broke by a tech on my day off, next day I came in the broken was on his tool box waiting for the tool guy to replace and was indeed replaced with "im sorry".no biggie, just respect. if there's no respect you will hear my mouth.....
Ask politely, clean it, return it in better condition, and thank them. Most guys will respect you for that and continue lending. If you keep using it, buy your own or save up for it. They will respect you more. People borrow my tools a lot and it does get annoying if they have to borrow very common tools all the time. They return them dirty or broken, my box is off limits. But I'm pretty generous. If it's a specialty tool that isn't a daily use item, you get more leeway.
Cool video Still 16 and in automotive classes, but the longer this year progress the longer diesel automotive and auto body repair started circling so honestly don’t know where I’m heading But the video was a reality check Especially when you said “I bought these tools to make me money, not the other guys” (What I got from the video is) - Guess in the working world it’s alright to be nice but you cut it off at some point they cannot become dependent on you, and it’s just how it goes
snap-on man That sucks, the guys here are all real good about returning my tools in good shape or telling me they broke something and pay to fix or replace!
Flatrate Master --btw,i love your bel'air toolbox,its awesome,looks like its in real nice shape too,when did snap on make those,ive always loved that color
Nothing wrong with loaning or borrowing tools so long as it isn’t basic hand tools. Our shop has a few highly experienced techs with specialties in different areas and this late in the game. Most of us would rather loan and borrow than spend money unnecessarily. But these tools are typically specialty/ not daily use type of tools. Specialty pullers, oddball sizes thread repair tools or extractors
When it comes to returning tools I usually mirror the way it was given to me. If they hand me the tool, I'll hand it back. If they tell me the drawer to find it in, it goes back in that drawer.
I would loan tools to any tech in the shop, twice. What I considered a good or great tool might not work for someone else. I would rather have someone evaluate a tool before they spent money on it. Your video should be show at all high school auto shops as well as all vocational training schools.
I am blessed enough to work with guys who'll ask what I'm working on, and go to there box and a grab something that works better. Of course I don't break shit either.
Had a tech ask to borrow my scan tool for a diagnostic ticket they gave him. I let him borrow it. But then every week he would ask to borrow it for more diagnostic tickets they kept giving him but I never received any diagnostic tickets. He has his own scan tool but never bothered to update his scan tool. We also have a scan tool for shop use but they broke that one. I cut him off and they made me look like the bad guy. That I was selfish for not letting other technicians use my scan tool.
30 years ago I was told by the older guys, borrow it 3 times you need to buy it. I still live by that idea, except if I have to borrow something I only borrow once, and make sure I have it the next time around. Of course that's fairly easy now.
Another major mistake. If you borrow the tools okay. But never ever borrow someone's tools and let another person use them while they are in your care. He gave you permission and you only..... not also your friend or co worker....
My dad would get mad when we asked to use his tools. Always put em back,always asked,always wiped em down. Different when he needs to borrow my tools and I find them broke covered in oil in the rain. Thank fuck for a lifetime warranty.
what about if all I do is oil changes and change tires. Sometimes I need to borrow tools just to remove the plastic underneath. should i buy my own> the shop provides a sockets and impact gun and socket to remove the drain plug.
Depends completely on your situation, if you are provided tools, they should probably provide tools to remove the underbody panels, or if your coworkers are ok with you borrowing tools and you follow their rules on use, you should be ok with just borrowing. FYI, if you are planning on making the jump to being a full tech not a bad idea to start getting some tools as you can afford them You can watch my video on starting tools for a tech to get an idea what you may need czcams.com/video/axPnHgzZ9sA/video.html Thanks for watching!
It depends on the situation, if it is a kid just starting out, is way different than a guy that has been doing 10 yrs and still doesn't own enough tools.
I have had junior techs borrow my tools with no intention of buying their own. They have even brought them back damaged. When I ask about it they tell me "just go buy another one". I quit letting them borrow tools. Then the boss ask why I am not letting them use my tools? I tell the boss about what is happening and he tells me to let them use my tools. I then tell the boss he can buy my tools from me and and they can then use his tools. That didn't fly. He then made them buy their own tools.
I dont mind letting another tech barrow a tool for the most parts. But my scan tools are off limits. If they really do need it I'll stop what I'm doing and go do it my self. After watching a couple tech's place the dongle on the screen that was enough even after yelling at them and then do it again next time. Luckily I have screen protectors on them so nothing was scratched. between just 2 scan tools in my chest is almost 10 grand and the shop I work for doesn't have a scan tool and refuses to supply on for the lower techs. Loved the video man made me laugh!
I don't like lending out my tools (had most of them for many years)...and it seems to me that some supposed techs tend to lose or break them and don't bring them back...
what a subject. its give and take but dont make it one way . the last shop i worked in a lot of the specialty tools the shop wouldnt buy i did. no one touched them period, when the factory rep came to check the shop my box got locked. too many techs do like i did.ya buy that tool but in the end the dealer is the one that made out. what i lent out came back clean and in its place and if you cant remember which drawer it came from leave it on the ledge and tell me
3 times it's a good rule. Give a heads up borrowing and returning. If it gets put back in the wrong drawer it might as will be gone. Just put it on top of the box unless your 100% sure witch drawer it was in.
I remember having to borrow tools, and before I returned them they were SUPER clean and lubed...I had to borrow a couple of large truck tools (that I would later purchase) from the same guy and they would come back so clean that he would joke "go ahead borrow some more...". You forgot one thing...one which will drive me thru the roof is when I loan a tool to someone and they mistreat/mis-use them! I had a guy use my Snap-On screwdriver as a chisel once, one guy beat on my S/O ratchet....Those guys got an instant "Hey Mother F'er" and banned from my box. Good vid for the new guys...
No that any of this is wrong but sometimes there truly isnt any budget left for tools. I try not to borrow too much and always lend when i can but for the past 8 months its been paycheck to paycheck with a negative balance at the end of every month anyway.
I guess i kinda figured out if i borrow a tool more than a couple times, it would just make sence to buy it lol 😂 but i also lend tools out to my boss, and he lets me use his tools, now its more just special tools i dont have or big sockets big wrenches but i will be with time! I also love tool shopping ( dangerous) haha!
I got two guys that always borrow tools in my shop and one is slow about returning them and both guys are slowly getting cut off from all the tech's and they just don't get it. I'll tell them to watch this video.
man, I can't tell you how often someone's in my box grabbing tools without asking. It pisses me off. I but my own tools for that reason. so I tell them if you borrow it more than twice, buy your own! I have thousands in tools, while they make money off of mine. really gotta put a stop to it.
What do you call a mechanic without tools? A "helper" lol. But seriously, I let them borrow once or twice and after that they need to spend a buck and get their own
For basic tools they should have yep! but for more special tools I am more forgiving, as it takes a lot of time to get all these special tools we need to do our jobs!
l worked with a guy who did bring it back cleaner than when he borrowed it, no matter what it was, i loan tools, i don't like to but i occasionally do but please put it back where you got it, i'm so old now if it's 2 spaces over in the socket drawer i can't find it. if it's not right where i'm looking for it i'm lost and believe me the foul mouth opens up. if you can't remember where it went just leave it on the tool box i'll put it away.
The thing I hate most is when you let some one borrow a expensive tool and leave it out in the open during lunch. Lock it up or give it back and ask for it after lunch!
Wow! I can't believe people not returning tools properly is such a problem or just not asking and taking the tool. I figured it would be common sense. I haven't worked at a pro shop before but I would return the tool first thing after I'm done. Why piss off the guy willing to help you I don't get it lol.
Steamed Hams I know, it's crazy. Then we have the mysterious problem of tools growing legs. I've ruled out the Bermuda triangle and Illuminati so far...
I want my own stuff! I hate to borrow tools. I don't like loaning out my tools either, but I do. I think if you are trying to get in this field you need to know about the substantial investment in tools. GET YOUR OWN SHIT!
The fact you HAD to make a vid about this is Crazier than the elusive “common sense”. I borrow a tool, whatever it is, I wait for the mechanic to finish what they’re doing, I ask with a “Please”, make sure tool is better than I was given it, and hand it to them, with a “thank you.” I’m also the first set of “extra hands” they need to hold something. If your shop can’t run like that, it isn’t your permanent shop. I agree 100% about busted tools- you broke it, tell me. Don’t let me find out I took a ticket, then the tool I need is busted... that’s a d*ck move, no nice way to say it. If I break it, money is in hand by days end. Thats how it should be.
What so funny is I do all same things when Barrow or use shop tools...I got 65k worth of tools and every once in while need something not have...sometimes no one has it and shop of me got to buy it....is what it is....happens to seasoned guys like me
Finding broken tools or finding my tools in other peoples tool boxes... is most annoying!
Thomas EXOVCDS Yes it is!
And is a fast way for them to find themselves with broken fingers, as well as having to buy thousands of dollars in tools at once, because nobody will let them borrow anymore......
Don't you love it when you have a day off, come back in, and something is missing that nobody asked too borrow?
Morte Parla that’s exactly why my box is locked when I’m done for the day and heading out. Well that and theft protection. If I’m not going to be there the next day either planned or unexpectedly nobody can touch my stuff!
@@morteparla6926 keep it locked up .
I cut off the younger techs in my shop after like you said the 3 times rule, I watched them borrow my tools multiple times, granted they treated them well and brought them back clean, buy they made no efforts to purchase their own, so that ended my box full of tools feeding another family.
MrBoz2004 Don't blame you one bit!Thanks for watching
The way I learned, if you borrowed it TWICE...the third time you Buy. When it comes to the younger Techs borrowing my tools, I tell them that. Also I've worked with good young techs that get me lunch at the same time they borrow my tools!
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Rule #1 ASK, rule.#2 if you break it you bought it, it happens, just own it. #3 the 3x use rule. #4 return it promptly, and CLEAN. #5 return it how the other tech wants it returned....that was never an issue for me, but yea. excellent video
Thank You!
Great video my friend. All the ones who gave you a thumbs down are rookies that don't have any tools lol
LOL, I would bet!
I play both sides of this, as both the loaner and the benefactor but I follow the borrow it and give it back better mantra. I even offer to help repair/maintain my shop-mates tools that I may not have even damaged. I am personally very tight on the borrow it three times and buy it rules, generally speaking if I run into something I need even ONCE I am 90% likely to need it again so I usually purchase tools that I find that I've borrowed once (and hey, most of the tools in my five-drawer cart get used almost every day). Great vid FRM!
Tools are expensive. I never had a problem when I was young tech I always returned the tool clean unbroken and if I did break it I always told them . I also made it a policy to tell them when I return the tool and never ever forgot to say thank you for letting me barrow that tool. Treat others as you want to be treated and show respect as well.
John Gibson Thanks for watching!
Early in my career I worked with a guy that would go on the tool truck and order tools on my account that I borrowed from him. I respect that so much now.
So many true things said there! I've had plenty of arguments with guys not respecting my tools, tools i spend a good time paying, cleanimg, maintaining and organising. Great video man!
TheSweets122 Thank you!
I’m becoming a tech and honestly I’ve been following all these rules since I was kid.. every time I use one of my dads tools I follow these rules, clean them the second your done and put them back where you found it/where dad wants it. It’s just respect at the end of the day
I am a shade tree putz who loves his cars/toys. I work in the telecom world but I have tons of friends who own shops and I have worked on my personal toys in their shops/ lifts during slow times or after hours. I always show how much I appreciate it ( a case of wobble pops or maybe a bottle of good stuff or....... even a real nice cigar goes a LONG way) and the tools I use are always better than I find them. My point is respect and appreciation is a must!
This is a good topic and you make a lot of sense about how the lender of the tool wants it returned. Not to mention giving it back cleaner than when you borrow it.
You don't want other Techs to be reluctant to lend you THEIR money makers because of bad habits or anything.
SHAKA38 Thank you!
You can borrow my tools as long as your still buying tools.
CC&Z Yes!Thanks for watching
We had a guy who was notorious for "borrowing" tools without asking and either not bringing them back or breaking them and trying to hide it. He works in a separate building which really made it a pain in the ass. He was talked to and continued to do it so my solution was this: I made a list titled "TOOLS TAKEN AND NOT RETURNED" complete with clip art pictured of tools and a cartoon thief. I had 2 sections labeled "ITEMS TAKEN" and "LOCATION FOUND & TIME LOST". I hung one copy on my tool box and one at the service desk where anyone could see it. He was mad but I told him if he took it down I'd make it a size larger each time. So he if he didn't want the sign or the list of tools to get any bigger hed best quit while he was ahead and just start returning/replacing tools immediately. That did the trick
I'm looking at the DeWalt connected batteries for some of my stuff. It is an app that I have that will allow you to monitor your DeWalt tools/batteries. One of the features is the "Lend" function. This allows you to lend a tool "hey I just need it for an hour" and to shut down the tool/battery after a time preset by you. The battery will not even recharge without the owner's consent!
LMFAO!!!!!!!
Hey I'm an old fart, turned 50 last Sept. Around 5 years ago tried out pipe fitting in an old field shop. I'll never forget the guy that had no tools, made no effort.. He'd borrow tools and just leave them behind when he was done. Confronted me when I started locking my tool box at work. Got sick and tired of locating my tools at the end of the day
My rule of thumb is this, if you have to borrow it more than twice YOU need to buy one because after the third use I'll say no and you can let the boss know you don't have the tool to complete the job. I understand new techs need time to build up tools, but you have to also make sure you're not the one providing tools for everyone because they don't wanna spend the money and become dependent on you.
very true!
VERY TRUE!! Worked in a Steel Mill and we had the same rules, worked fine. NEVER return a tool DIRTY!!! Total sign of disrespect!
Great advice ! What is bad when they keep borrowing a tool and you say something to them about it and they tell you they are not going to pay that much for the tool they keep borrowing. That is when you send them away !!
N Smith Yes! tell to f off and buy thier own tools!
I recently started at a shop(Mavis actually.I know some will say thats not a real shop lol)Anyway,my Brother works there and we shared a box and tools when I started.Now Im a few months in and have my own stuff(box,gun,and hand tools).My collection isnt complete but I rarely have to borrow anything.Its a good feeling knowing you have your own stuff to work with.When I do borrow a tool I follow a few simple rules.1)bring it back as soon as Im done.2)make sure to wipe it off(even if you dont see anything on it,trust me its dirty) 3)thank the person who lent it to me.A little respect goes a LONG way
I'm not a tech but my friends have told me its their policy after a constant bad experiences to not lend out the tools anymore . It seems people just don't get it and their tired of teaching common sense, LOL Good tips and i hope it gets thru to those that just don't get it.
STEVE ROB thanks Steve ,We can hope anyway😊
great video dude I got so sick of others I work with having literally no tools I started locking my box every time I wasn't in it I even had my boss giving out he couldn't get into my tool box for a tool
david farrell tighe that sucks! I worked at 1 shop when I went to lunch I had to lock it.
ah man thats gotta suck, people just helping themselves to YOUR tools
I had a service manager tell me to loan a scan tool to a D tech once. Told him when he pays my tool bill he can decide who uses my tools. He literally threatend to fire me. Thing was at this location was a certain line, and the recon shop. In the recon shop we worked directly for the head manager of all the service deptments in the auto group. I simply dialed my phone , asked ' Mike' do I work for you , or do I work for ' Joe', he said you work for and report directly to me , put 'Joe ' on the phone. He literally came to our location, spanked Joe in front of all of the recon shop, and the techs that worked for Joe and explained to all these new techs how things work . It was pretty nice to be taken care of that way.
Good advice- I intuitively knew this borrowing but later loaning I was shocked when it wasn’t reciprocated. It took me abit to make the rules. Thanks man👍
I can understand and I have not even lent out one tool or broke into the industry yet. I haven't even graduated Tech school and have invested 6 thousand on Tools and a Tool box, just the thought of someone asking to borrow a tool kind of irks me. Hey man great video I'm subscribed now
We share tools at the shop all the time, not an issue as long as it is mutual, not 1 sided. Thanks for watching!
As a teenager I came up the greased pole by...
Being confronted with a mechanical problem
Identifying said problem and then learning the procedure to repair it
Buy/rent the tools that I needed but did not already have and do the job
I came out of each and every mechanical catastrophe with more smarts, more tools and more money still in my pocket and of course, the joy at having done it for myself (and can again when I need to).
I keep saying this business is a very experience based job the more you do the better you should get!
Then you of all people, would understand the concept of "developing 20/20 eyesight...in your fingertips"! I did electrical and I could tell you the colour of the wire/stripe I was holding by where my hand was on the plug. Muscle memory is a big timesaver.
Dude great channel. Great video, I couldn't agree more. When it comes to borrowing tools, I always tell that person if it breaks let me know. one time someone borrowed an air hammer, it broke. they didn't say anything and in all honesty I was more pissed than if they would have said something. When I went to use it, found it broke and the tool truck had literally just left. I was thru the roof.
BTDT, nothing will piss you off more when it comes to people borrowing tools!
being a newer tech, I always let the person know that their tool is returned, weather is in their hand or just on their box. I will always say something to them so they know for sure it's returned. and of course it's clean
Jacob Silveus Thank you! the younger techs here are very good too!
I couldn't agree with you more. Especially with the barrow 3 times rule, well spoken.
The first time I have to hunt my tool down , or the first time it's put back dirty , or broken they are done. You lost it , you replace it with the exact same tool ,not some craftsman or harbor freight junk. I give the young entry level techs 5 uses before I say buy your own, Do Not ask to barrow my scan tools ,or diagnostic equipment unless we have worked together for awhile , and have a good relationship.
Spot on sir. I like an apprentice that goes and gets the he doesn't have, even if he goes 20 at a time. It shows a wanting that most older guys will appreciate.
I don't work in a shop yet but, I feel like another good way to borrow tools is to get some collateral. Have them give you a tool of equal or greater value, pretty sure they'll more likely to bring it back and not forget to give it back
the tech i work with has a 52in snap on box with a whole gang of tools sometimes but rarely he borrows mine and if he does its just one tool if he doesnt have THAT particular tool. im ok with that. but if you just flat out dont have any tools at all like these new kids we keep hiring...HELL NO!
We all share special tools around the shop, but that is the way it should be, another tech should never come and ask for a basic tool they should have:(
30 years in and when I was starting out it was as you say 3 times time to buy your own..
Theres always going to be something someone has that will make a job easier. Small shop here so we want to get things done.
I’ve never thought about asking them how they want it returned. If they get it out of their box I see where they get it from and clean it and put it back exactly where they got it from but that’s a good point!
All true words i got lucky with a good couple of techsstarting out. but as you said i did invest in myself i bought my own 1/2 impact 3 days in, showed im serous about the job
never worked with guys i couldnt lend from or borrow to but I have yelled at service writer or the service manager for taking stuff out of my box or other without asking. My number one rule is ask before you borrow, ive never said no or been told no from someone else but ive worked with mostly respectfull techs up till now
I get tools borrowed from me all the time:)
Agree with this 100%, I’m the lead on our team and people borrow stuff all the time. One guy is no longer allowed because he will not by stuff
Thank you!
I'm a DIY'er. I don't lend tools, ever. Had a bad experience with a friend breaking a tool, and saying to me with a straight face, "I'm not paying to replace it. Oh well...YOU let me borrow it". I honestly wanted to brush his teeth with my breaker bar.
Doesn't sound like much of a "friend."
To me the worst thing possible is for someone to walk their happy ass over there to my box and take it without asking. That's a guaranteed name goes on the no fly list in my box
Robby Gross I hear you on that! Thanks for watching!
Robby's Reviews that's a privilege only bestowed to a very short list of selected individual(s) and only after they've demonstrated that they deserve said privilege
Robby's Reviews LOL me and my buddy I’ve worked with for years do that with each others stuff here and there. New guy tried that once or twice and he leaned real fast that’s not cool. Big pet peeve of mine.
1 reason I love where i am. everyone loans & we only have 1 oil guy who won't buy, we are a small 5 man team & 4 of us really do look after each others tools so i never have to worry about loaning them out. We also kind of try to alternate tools so someone in the shop has it & fill in the blanks when we can.
We do the same thing, everyone shares tools, everyone returns without issues. I have leave my tool box keys at the shop while I am on vacation.
I love it this way. even the master tech has loaned my stuff on occasion it really helps a team spirit IMO & anything that helps the tool bill stay low has to be a good thing. lol
Flatrate Master I usually leave my tool box key when i'm on vacation as well until they lost the key. Good thing i had a spare....LoL.
Flatrate Master I usually leave my tool box keys when i'm on vacation as well until they lost the keys. Good thing i had spares....LoL.
Me and my buddy who work at the same place always borrow each other’s stuff but we both have a fairly extensive set of tools. There’s a few people in the shop I don’t mind borrowing tools at all. Then there’s a couple guys id never lend anything to because they don’t take care of there own tools and leave them laying every where and in everyone else’s way. One of those don’t lend to guys is our shop foremen.
I do borrow my dad's tools once in a while,I always make sure it is wiped off when I return it.He does the same way,clean.He did almost lose one of my sockets once and did find it.I did break a ratchet of his once and did show him it.It was a Snap On,breaking the drive part off and he never got mad at me.
LOL, got to follow the rules:)
Personly as a new tech I list the tools I've borrowed from other techs and the number of times I've used them. Every pay check I'll get some of the ones I use the most.
Every tool I use from another tech gets brake clean and a rag before I return it.
Exactly. I needed to borrow a swivel 15mm and o2 sensor socket alot. So I bought some now I just need to get a metal line cutter
I'm the youngest guy in the shop by over ten years and these idiots are always borrowing my tools. They never step foot on the tool trucks but always ask how much I paid for something. Maybe if they spent money on tools instead of cigarettes they could buy tools. As you clearly see I don't like those fuckers.
Tell them to purchase there own tools and stop allowing them to use yours. If you don't address the issue they will just continue to use you for your tools that you invested in purchasing. It's comical to not own your own tools in this field.
its all about respect, I left a scrapper on the wheel balancer and it got broke by a tech on my day off, next day I came in the broken was on his tool box waiting for the tool guy to replace and was indeed replaced with "im sorry".no biggie, just respect. if there's no respect you will hear my mouth.....
billmck12345 So true!
Ask politely, clean it, return it in better condition, and thank them. Most guys will respect you for that and continue lending. If you keep using it, buy your own or save up for it. They will respect you more. People borrow my tools a lot and it does get annoying if they have to borrow very common tools all the time. They return them dirty or broken, my box is off limits. But I'm pretty generous. If it's a specialty tool that isn't a daily use item, you get more leeway.
Cool video
Still 16 and in automotive classes, but the longer this year progress the longer diesel automotive and auto body repair started circling so honestly don’t know where I’m heading
But the video was a reality check
Especially when you said “I bought these tools to make me money, not the other guys”
(What I got from the video is) - Guess in the working world it’s alright to be nice but you cut it off at some point they cannot become dependent on you, and it’s just how it goes
Most techs are ok borrowing tools, the issue comes in when someone abuses the system or breaks tools and does take care of it ect.
great video...valid points,its getting harder to loan tools out,too many lost tools etc.
snap-on man That sucks, the guys here are all real good about returning my tools in good shape or telling me they broke something and pay to fix or replace!
Flatrate Master --btw,i love your bel'air toolbox,its awesome,looks like its in real nice shape too,when did snap on make those,ive always loved that color
snap-on made them in 95/96 for the 40th anniversary of the tri 5 chevys. Thanks!
Flatrate Master -- nice thanks man!
Nothing wrong with loaning or borrowing tools so long as it isn’t basic hand tools. Our shop has a few highly experienced techs with specialties in different areas and this late in the game. Most of us would rather loan and borrow than spend money unnecessarily. But these tools are typically specialty/ not daily use type of tools. Specialty pullers, oddball sizes thread repair tools or extractors
When it comes to returning tools I usually mirror the way it was given to me. If they hand me the tool, I'll hand it back. If they tell me the drawer to find it in, it goes back in that drawer.
I would loan tools to any tech in the shop, twice. What I considered a good or great tool might not work for someone else. I would rather have someone evaluate a tool before they spent money on it. Your video should be show at all high school auto shops as well as all vocational training schools.
I am blessed enough to work with guys who'll ask what I'm working on, and go to there box and a grab something that works better. Of course I don't break shit either.
Had a tech ask to borrow my scan tool for a diagnostic ticket they gave him. I let him borrow it. But then every week he would ask to borrow it for more diagnostic tickets they kept giving him but I never received any diagnostic tickets. He has his own scan tool but never bothered to update his scan tool. We also have a scan tool for shop use but they broke that one. I cut him off and they made me look like the bad guy. That I was selfish for not letting other technicians use my scan tool.
30 years ago I was told by the older guys, borrow it 3 times you need to buy it. I still live by that idea, except if I have to borrow something I only borrow once, and make sure I have it the next time around. Of course that's fairly easy now.
Hey nice post as always sir. I work in a shop by myself so I'm lucky but we do rent alot of tools haven't rented any of mine.... Yet
Another major mistake. If you borrow the tools okay. But never ever borrow someone's tools and let another person use them while they are in your care. He gave you permission and you only..... not also your friend or co worker....
My dad would get mad when we asked to use his tools. Always put em back,always asked,always wiped em down. Different when he needs to borrow my tools and I find them broke covered in oil in the rain. Thank fuck for a lifetime warranty.
Love your videos man , I'm subscribing!
what about if all I do is oil changes and change tires. Sometimes I need to borrow tools just to remove the plastic underneath. should i buy my own> the shop provides a sockets and impact gun and socket to remove the drain plug.
Depends completely on your situation, if you are provided tools, they should probably provide tools to remove the underbody panels, or if your coworkers are ok with you borrowing tools and you follow their rules on use, you should be ok with just borrowing.
FYI, if you are planning on making the jump to being a full tech not a bad idea to start getting some tools as you can afford them
You can watch my video on starting tools for a tech to get an idea what you may need
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Thanks for watching!
thank you .
had a guy break a pry bar then left in inside the truck he was working on hopping I dirent see it last time I let him use any of my tools
Your channel kicks ass, keep up the good work
Thank you very much!
3 times is too much if any one borrows once they need to buy that tool if they don't they are taking advantage of you.
It depends on the situation, if it is a kid just starting out, is way different than a guy that has been doing 10 yrs and still doesn't own enough tools.
Ok but anyway i like your channel and just subscribed.
I have had junior techs borrow my tools with no intention of buying their own. They have even brought them back damaged. When I ask about it they tell me "just go buy another one". I quit letting them borrow tools. Then the boss ask why I am not letting them use my tools? I tell the boss about what is happening and he tells me to let them use my tools. I then tell the boss he can buy my tools from me and and they can then use his tools. That didn't fly. He then made them buy their own tools.
I dont mind letting another tech barrow a tool for the most parts. But my scan tools are off limits. If they really do need it I'll stop what I'm doing and go do it my self. After watching a couple tech's place the dongle on the screen that was enough even after yelling at them and then do it again next time. Luckily I have screen protectors on them so nothing was scratched. between just 2 scan tools in my chest is almost 10 grand and the shop I work for doesn't have a scan tool and refuses to supply on for the lower techs. Loved the video man made me laugh!
I don't like lending out my tools (had most of them for many years)...and it seems to me that some supposed techs tend to lose or break them and don't bring them back...
awesome they should teach this in automotive class level 1 save the old guys headaches
great vid as always can you talk about combacks and what happens when the tech can't fix it and someone else has to fix the problem thanks mike
Michael Szweda Comebacks will definitely be several videos! Thanks!
Same rules apply in a machine shop too.
I finally told a guy to stop using my tools after I realized it's been a year since he's been on the job and he's in my box more than I am!
Why buy when you can borrow
I couldn't agree with you more. Amen to that
Thank you!
what a subject. its give and take but dont make it one way . the last shop i worked in a lot of the specialty tools the shop wouldnt buy i did. no one touched them period, when the factory rep came to check the shop my box got locked. too many techs do like i did.ya buy that tool but in the end the dealer is the one that made out. what i lent out came back clean and in its place and if you cant remember which drawer it came from leave it on the ledge and tell me
3 times it's a good rule. Give a heads up borrowing and returning. If it gets put back in the wrong drawer it might as will be gone. Just put it on top of the box unless your 100% sure witch drawer it was in.
Common decent respect! So many people don't have that.
I remember having to borrow tools, and before I returned them they were SUPER clean and lubed...I had to borrow a couple of large truck tools (that I would later purchase) from the same guy and they would come back so clean that he would joke "go ahead borrow some more...".
You forgot one thing...one which will drive me thru the roof is when I loan a tool to someone and they mistreat/mis-use them! I had a guy use my Snap-On screwdriver as a chisel once, one guy beat on my S/O ratchet....Those guys got an instant "Hey Mother F'er" and banned from my box.
Good vid for the new guys...
No that any of this is wrong but sometimes there truly isnt any budget left for tools. I try not to borrow too much and always lend when i can but for the past 8 months its been paycheck to paycheck with a negative balance at the end of every month anyway.
Rule with me bring it back when your done. ive heard of guys getting fired and not brining back tools.
I guess i kinda figured out if i borrow a tool more than a couple times, it would just make sence to buy it lol 😂 but i also lend tools out to my boss, and he lets me use his tools, now its more just special tools i dont have or big sockets big wrenches but i will be with time! I also love tool shopping ( dangerous) haha!
solid advice.
you have to buy your own tools as a mechanic at a dealer or a shop that you don't own?
In the US you do
fuck yeah all lads i work broke those rules. i let em struggle now
If you can't follow the rules, you get what you deserve
BTW... Amen to this Video, Brother! You got a Sub!
Thank you!
AMEN ON THE BORROWING OF TOOL'S
I got two guys that always borrow tools in my shop and one is slow about returning them and both guys are slowly getting cut off from all the tech's and they just don't get it. I'll tell them to watch this video.
LOL!
man, I can't tell you how often someone's in my box grabbing tools without asking. It pisses me off. I but my own tools for that reason. so I tell them if you borrow it more than twice, buy your own! I have thousands in tools, while they make money off of mine. really gotta put a stop to it.
Yes! Hate that nothing worse than that moment of panic thinking you lost a tool only to find it in another techs tool cart!
love your videos by the way, great stuff. keep it up!
+alexander whitlock Thank you!
I don't know about the wife part but I agree with every thing else, great video
I don't lend tools out, but the other guys in the shop use a deposit tool of higher value until the tool is returned.
good Idea!
What do you call a mechanic without tools? A "helper" lol. But seriously, I let them borrow once or twice and after that they need to spend a buck and get their own
For basic tools they should have yep! but for more special tools I am more forgiving, as it takes a lot of time to get all these special tools we need to do our jobs!
l worked with a guy who did bring it back cleaner than when he borrowed it, no matter what it was, i loan tools, i don't like to but i occasionally do but please put it back where you got it, i'm so old now if it's 2 spaces over in the socket drawer i can't find it. if it's not right where i'm looking for it i'm lost and believe me the foul mouth opens up. if you can't remember where it went just leave it on the tool box i'll put it away.
The way it should work and the way it works are very different!
The thing I hate most is when you let some one borrow a expensive tool and leave it out in the open during lunch. Lock it up or give it back and ask for it after lunch!
Wow! I can't believe people not returning tools properly is such a problem or just not asking and taking the tool. I figured it would be common sense. I haven't worked at a pro shop before but I would return the tool first thing after I'm done. Why piss off the guy willing to help you I don't get it lol.
Steamed Hams I know, it's crazy. Then we have the mysterious problem of tools growing legs. I've ruled out the Bermuda triangle and Illuminati so far...
You said that right buddy
That's why you buy an engraver and label them so you can find them more easilt
Glad you acknowledged females of the field (of mechanics), too. :)
great video FM what is the most barrowed tool in the dealership? I say jump pack
LOL, mine too!
great video. Please get a wireless or wired mic.
DaveSender66 I am working improving production, thanks!
I want my own stuff! I hate to borrow tools. I don't like loaning out my tools either, but I do. I think if you are trying to get in this field you need to know about the substantial investment in tools. GET YOUR OWN SHIT!
The fact you HAD to make a vid about this is Crazier than the elusive “common sense”. I borrow a tool, whatever it is, I wait for the mechanic to finish what they’re doing, I ask with a “Please”, make sure tool is better than I was given it, and hand it to them, with a “thank you.” I’m also the first set of “extra hands” they need to hold something. If your shop can’t run like that, it isn’t your permanent shop. I agree 100% about busted tools- you broke it, tell me. Don’t let me find out I took a ticket, then the tool I need is busted... that’s a d*ck move, no nice way to say it. If I break it, money is in hand by days end. Thats how it should be.
Both me and Humble Mechanic made a video about this subject and yes very sad
I'd offer a high value tool of my own as a " hostage " until I gave their tool back.
Cool way to do it. Thanks for watching
What so funny is I do all same things when Barrow or use shop tools...I got 65k worth of tools and every once in while need something not have...sometimes no one has it and shop of me got to buy it....is what it is....happens to seasoned guys like me