Gearing tanks in most guiIds is a smart thing to do but you dont reaIIy think of that you just want your fucking own rogue / hunter gear right? Jesus fucking christ some peopIe are braindead
"It's got intellect on it." "Mana pool is fucking important for healers." Yeah, because your mana pool is totally strained during those 60 second boss fights in Molten Core...
I also just looked up the logs from this raids and I wasn't wrong. The fights are literally 1 minute long. classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XkT8zfjHyCAtcW13
Yeah it's a joke, they removed so many ARPG elements. Threat not an issue, and you might as well just remove mana bars because it's just there to look pretty. @@brandonkruse6412
Imagine using Choker of the Enlighenment as a healer when you can get something thats x2 good from Strat UD. That's the biggest KEKW I've had in a long time.
Yeah choker having intellect, therefore it’s good for healers... healers are probably feeling pretty bad upgrading their “BiS” choker neckpieces with Jindo’s neck right now while their casters are stuck with garbage blues
Give that to your caster dps, the amount of Intel really isn't that big.. plus you get early healing power to bracers from the Argent Dawn.. casters gotta wait for that, and animated chain is much easier to get and comparable.
Yikes, using DKP without any sort of class prio. Your healers sound super selfish. Provide an update on how many people left your guild when you gave DFT to a Hunter
The 70 mana from choker does nothing for a healer. Animated necklace is popular for good reason. Tanks got prior but not casters, casual guild which is fine. But hurts the loot distribution if people just want the epic rather than who it's best for
that guy who argued that choker was better for healer cuz int is srs so loot horny its disgusting. its 1 healing power better than a dungeon item while casters get 16 extra spellpower from it from the other neck in mc. also bis until friggen aq, while healers gets better in ZG, a friggen 20man raid. that. is. bull. xD
After getting the world first/fastest MC clear and having a drunk officer/ missed previous 3 raids get Mageblade, I said fuck it next with this game lmao
I play warrior so I don't know the struggles of a healer or casters. Just reading the wowhead on this item I see a lot of people getting screwed over like the guy in this video. Animated chain necklace like they said you can just farm the dungeon and eventually get it and 1 heal spell power difference doesn't matter enough to warrant this.
"some people have done Strat multiple times and their neck hasn't dropped". Oh wow, "multiple times". I think i've run it over 20 times in Classic and it finally dropped after I got Jin'do's Evil Eye. Not a healer item, but definitely not worth quitting over, especially as a warlock, one of the classes that can get geared to the balls in a few raids.
ESO may have some horrible flaws thanks to the devs but its still better than WoW cuz we dont have loot drama like this at all. Each player gets their own loot...no rolling the dice for it or whatever.
This is why I will never raid. Too many people fighting over too little loot. M+ is so much less stress lol. (I know it's classic, but I'll also never play classic...I don't have time for that)
the guy who was talking about ''loot isnt more important than our bonds and community'' seem to dont understand that the guy who quit the guild actualy valued the rules and care about the game couldve just given him the choker and its bis even in bwl but no instead y guys decided to be greedy cows and break the bond between the guy ''who was creating drama over loot'' Imagine being stupid enough to give choker to a healer when bwl is a few weeks away =D
haha, had leather wrists for my rogue taken in ICC multiple times by warriors, just for the armor pen.. At least the choker was a legit healing option!
Both sides had very good and fair points do i blame the lock from leaving? No, not really if your using a dkp system then wtf are you using loot council to work out loot??? Makes no sense its bad enough that no system is perfect but wtf are you using two systems at once? You either DKP or LOOT COUNCIL not both thats just making shit worse and gonna 100% cause loot drama as you see in this vid. My opinion though i feel like loot council is the best loot system as long as its not been abused by the officer team. Also it did seem like there was some dkp manipulation but i could be wrong oh well glad im not in that group haha.
Gear should go to the specific class not to a class that can’t use it especially if your a certain class that can use it coming to raids when you have drama to favorites it’s time to find another guild that’s fair
All these PUGS crying over how a guild runs their raids and the standards they use for DKP.... If the guy didnt like the guilds rules im glad he left and possibly found a guild that better suits his needs.
Private loot was the best system and now they are removing that. Loot councils, raid wide loot, DKP are all extremely flawed systems when the pool of human common sense is low.
trash guild. "this is not loot council" proceeds to have tank prio lmao
What I find more impressing then the drama, is that you did a full MC run with all your quests enabled on the screen.
LOL
I always do
So choker isn't prio to casters but accuria is prio to tanks. Great guild you got there mate.
Gearing tanks in most guiIds is a smart thing to do but you dont reaIIy think of that you just want your fucking own rogue / hunter gear right? Jesus fucking christ some peopIe are braindead
Should both go to hunters anyways. What would a hunter do with the choker?
Pet heal equipment.
FYI in you are supposed to gear your tanks and healers first this is why back in the day a tank leaving messed up progress
@@manafront I mean both tier 1 and tier 2 warrior are tanking sets. Ofcourse you should give those to your guilds tanks lol
@@sofaking9404 we talking period not just tier loot and this was done even after 60 cap
Yeah my raid doesn't let healers roll on it because they can just get Animated Chain.
>dkp system
>discussing loot
pick one
DKP is always like this. The item never goes to the person with the most DKP. There's always roadblocks like "max bid" and "class prio" put in place.
Warlock got screwed by these guys.
Lock def got screwed.
"It's got intellect on it." "Mana pool is fucking important for healers."
Yeah, because your mana pool is totally strained during those 60 second boss fights in Molten Core...
I also just looked up the logs from this raids and I wasn't wrong. The fights are literally 1 minute long.
classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XkT8zfjHyCAtcW13
choker of the firelord to a healer (unless its a holy/disc priest who plans to change to shadow at some point) is absolutely hilarious
It's more mana than animated neck from Startholme. Mana is pretty effin important in Classic unlike that easy as shit retail game.
@@Simon-pg1bm Saying you haven't played serious retail in ages without outright saying it. :D
@@Simon-pg1bm Giving this item to anyone but a Mage is actually mentally retarded
@@horstwurst3131You don’t go OOM in retail 😂
Yeah it's a joke, they removed so many ARPG elements. Threat not an issue, and you might as well just remove mana bars because it's just there to look pretty. @@brandonkruse6412
lol Buffoons, the winner here is the warlock.
Imagine using Choker of the Enlighenment as a healer when you can get something thats x2 good from Strat UD. That's the biggest KEKW I've had in a long time.
Yeah choker having intellect, therefore it’s good for healers... healers are probably feeling pretty bad upgrading their “BiS” choker neckpieces with Jindo’s neck right now while their casters are stuck with garbage blues
Give that to your caster dps, the amount of Intel really isn't that big.. plus you get early healing power to bracers from the Argent Dawn.. casters gotta wait for that, and animated chain is much easier to get and comparable.
Yikes, using DKP without any sort of class prio. Your healers sound super selfish. Provide an update on how many people left your guild when you gave DFT to a Hunter
The 70 mana from choker does nothing for a healer. Animated necklace is popular for good reason. Tanks got prior but not casters, casual guild which is fine. But hurts the loot distribution if people just want the epic rather than who it's best for
Salty warlock? lmao a resto druid OMEGALUL
LOL I play a healer in tbc and in classic you think I would be biased but that is clearly a caster neck....
And thats why this guild didnt make it pass phase 3
that guy who argued that choker was better for healer cuz int is srs so loot horny its disgusting. its 1 healing power better than a dungeon item while casters get 16 extra spellpower from it from the other neck in mc. also bis until friggen aq, while healers gets better in ZG, a friggen 20man raid. that. is. bull. xD
What’s your Ui for the Health bar I must know
After getting the world first/fastest MC clear and having a drunk officer/ missed previous 3 raids get Mageblade, I said fuck it next with this game lmao
Cliff was right to leave such an odd guild with different rules.
listening to the end dialogue of this at 15:00 and later, is painful to anyone who knows how to play the game... just sad
imagine given choker to a healer rofl make some BWL videos if you guys make it that long =D
....did Snaker ever get his tank for Deadmines?
Giving choker to a healer because it has 7 int is completely unhinged lmao
Always add prio to your DKP/EPGP.
questioning if BoA goes to the main tank and then giving choker to a healer xD i gotta know if this guild cleared BWL.
Most of these guys probably didn’t clear MC in retail until Wrath
I play warrior so I don't know the struggles of a healer or casters. Just reading the wowhead on this item I see a lot of people getting screwed over like the guy in this video. Animated chain necklace like they said you can just farm the dungeon and eventually get it and 1 heal spell power difference doesn't matter enough to warrant this.
Or 7 int lol u still get the spirit with animated chain too
Shit guild making up rules on the spot, "it has been given to casters before so now out of the blue we are only giving it to healers" total bs lol.
I think the officers need a 50 dkp minus.
This dude arguing about mana pool is hilarious. Never invite that dude to anything lmfao
if im not mistaken, you have choker of enlightment? you def didn't need that necklace. i'd rather someone get it.9
DKP is the worst system for gearing out a raid.
Wow you gave that to a healer! WTF!? Even a shadow priest its shit you want to stack spirt
Poor Cliff
"some people have done Strat multiple times and their neck hasn't dropped". Oh wow, "multiple times". I think i've run it over 20 times in Classic and it finally dropped after I got Jin'do's Evil Eye. Not a healer item, but definitely not worth quitting over, especially as a warlock, one of the classes that can get geared to the balls in a few raids.
Tank prio on accuria, but choker to healer. Lol. One of the two would be fine, but both at the same time is bonkers.
Would of said cant hunters bid on bindings then? Or druids on hand of rag? ITS DKP!!!
This happens when you play with people with a ui like this.
And Im stuck with Star of mystaria. Healer have other way better necks in the game like this neck is litteral BiS for warlocks.
Bet they let a healer have a spellpower ring too ;)
AnImAtEd ChAiN hAs No IntEl
The real winner is the warlock who is not with the shitty guild who gives caster item to healer and tank prio on BOA HAHAHAHAHHAHA
ESO may have some horrible flaws thanks to the devs but its still better than WoW cuz we dont have loot drama like this at all. Each player gets their own loot...no rolling the dice for it or whatever.
Lmfao horrible guild call
lmfao DKP is such a trash system
what a terrible guild hahahahahaha
I guess the officers want gear in this guild
/leave lookingforgroup
That guild sounds dumb, good decision to leave
This is why I will never raid. Too many people fighting over too little loot. M+ is so much less stress lol. (I know it's classic, but I'll also never play classic...I don't have time for that)
only scam guilds use dkp
the guy who was talking about ''loot isnt more important than our bonds and community'' seem to dont understand that the guy who quit the guild actualy valued the rules and care about the game couldve just given him the choker and its bis even in bwl but no instead y guys decided to be greedy cows and break the bond between the guy ''who was creating drama over loot'' Imagine being stupid enough to give choker to a healer when bwl is a few weeks away =D
imagine using dkp lol you guys are roleplaying 2006 or something?
Why do a dkp system then 😂
wtf sneakyshark this is how i find you?
haha, had leather wrists for my rogue taken in ICC multiple times by warriors, just for the armor pen.. At least the choker was a legit healing option!
how did u guys find 40 ppl rdy to raid with u if u got such a disgusting dkp system wtf
Both sides had very good and fair points do i blame the lock from leaving? No, not really if your using a dkp system then wtf are you using loot council to work out loot??? Makes no sense its bad enough that no system is perfect but wtf are you using two systems at once? You either DKP or LOOT COUNCIL not both thats just making shit worse and gonna 100% cause loot drama as you see in this vid. My opinion though i feel like loot council is the best loot system as long as its not been abused by the officer team. Also it did seem like there was some dkp manipulation but i could be wrong oh well glad im not in that group haha.
Gear should go to the specific class not to a class that can’t use it especially if your a certain class that can use it coming to raids when you have drama to favorites it’s time to find another guild that’s fair
Lol who gives that to a tank? Absolute mongs
/smiles in mage. I haz it.
classic.warcraftlogs.com/guild/us/arugal/supernova
This guild's logs
LOL nuf said
All these PUGS crying over how a guild runs their raids and the standards they use for DKP.... If the guy didnt like the guilds rules im glad he left and possibly found a guild that better suits his needs.
warlock crying about gear lol whats new my main but only time i try if its other locks but all the others yep last every update lol
dkp blowssssss
Private loot was the best system and now they are removing that. Loot councils, raid wide loot, DKP are all extremely flawed systems when the pool of human common sense is low.
Dkp does not care about your feelings. My points, my gear period.
This is us server right? How come you all have shitty internet? 800 ms wtf!
To much salt is bad for you. This is hilarious. SuperNova i want in.
Salty caster KEK.
+7 int is a good reason to get it as healer :D
That's only 105 mana ):
No, it’s not
Clif (the Warlock) should probably go see a doctor....that amount of salt can be deadly.