No. Yid is NOT offensive. I'm Jewish and I'm a Spurs fan. We call ourselves Yids to reclaim the word. It's a badge of recognition and honour, it's our label for ourselves and Jew and non-Jew Spurs fans use it with pride. If some are offended then I'm glad we live in a country where we CAN offend each other. But I will not accept real racists preventing me using a word just because they use it in a derogatory manner. I have the right to call myself what I want - how dare anyone stop that.
@@fatpandapop7221I never called anyone the N word or P word. Never would. I did however March in the USA in protest marches against the Kkk in the 80s. I stood against racism always assuming others stood with me as well when we are called the K or Y words or racist terms. Sadly apparently when it comes to racism us Jews just don't count and the excuses are all racist themselves.
The word 'yid' is not a racist word but some football fans do use it in a derogative term. Spurs fans don't. Spurs fans have always been called 'yids' by opposing fans and in a derogative way. So just like homosexuals did with the word 'queer', we have turned it around and went with it so it would no longer offend the jewish fans of Spurs. It is in no way shape or form, chanted by Spurs fans, as being anti-semetic. But fans such as Chelsea, West Ham, and Leeds fans are being anti-semetic when abusing our fans with it. Spurs fans call each other it and the players to
yid, when used in the context of yiddish language, is not offensive when spoken by Jews, it's actually pronounced "deed". When pronounced by non-jews it becomes offensive, especially people who have no idea what it means/where it comes from or how to say it. The truth is Arsenal have more Jewish fans than tottenham, tottenham are not a jewish inclusive club and so the very use of the word becomes offensive. Spurs claiming a term out of jest and using it as their identity when the majority of fans are NON-JEWS is cultural appropriation and by definition anti-semitic.
Which is basically a really questionable justification considering how small the actual percentage of Jewish fans there are at Tottenham... at least 5%. So basically non-Jews are reclaiming a word that never belonged to them in the first place.
Right! That's bullshit everybody! Don't you ever believe those PC fucktards. I'm Jewish and I love this word , it just says ''Jew'' in Yiddish and there's nothing bad with it. Don't stop singing it! Don't stop saying it! Be proud to be yids. Great support from the Jewish nation! YIDARMY!!!!
if Spurs use the word - even as a badge of pride - that makes it acceptable for other sides to use it, often as an insult. the word isn't acceptable in any sense. there's a lack of understanding over what it means and how threatening it can sound. why do we insist on using it? have a read about what happened around Ajax and their links to the Jewish community. that started out as a laugh and as a badge of pride... didn't end that way.
The Largest Jewish community in England live in Stamford Hill N15/N16 half way between the Emirates and White Hart Lane and so they are just as likely to support Arsenal as they are Spurs David Dein , Danny Fiszman , Stan Kroenke , yes we have a lot of Jewish Support and while I hear anti Spurs chants, I no longer hear anti semitic chants at the Emirates, the average Arsenal fan would not tolerate it
What anti Semitic chants are you on about the way spurs use it it's not anti Semitic that's what fans of other clubs don't understand we took a negative and made it a positive we are showing we are proud of our Jewish heritage we are together we are one
The truth is that north London's Jewish Tottenham fans have become immune to hearing Yid as an insult by non-Jews because they have become ghettoised and forced to do so. I know this, I grew up in north London and remember the unbridled hatred from some non-Jews towards Jews at school and on the street. We've been forced to put up with this garbage for too long and its about time it ended.
@Tr33fiddy the probelm isnt you calling your self the y-word its others seeing that its acceptable for them to use it in a degogatory manner, because everyone else is, this has to stop. just you feel you have the right to call yourself what you want, doesnt mean others will feel the same, I think more messages like this have to be mainstreamed and recognized more, not judged.
I can honestly say I've never heard the word "yiddo" before in my life. I don't think I've led a particularly sheltered life. Everyone who knows me would agree, including my butler.
I am a Spurs supporter and not Jewish. I find the chanting of 'yiddos' at the ground offensive. Not only that, it implies all Spurs supporters are Jewish and we are not. It is strange how these myths grow. All my friends and work colleagues that support Arsenal are Jewish and yet they are not considered a Jewish club! My belief is there are as many Jewish Arsenal supporters as there are Spurs. This is simply because most Jewish communities are in north London.
Just because a Tottenham fan uses it as 'badge and name of honour' doesn't mean it's okay. It allows people to pass off anti-semitism as alright. It is the same thing really. Afro-Caribbean people of my age use the n-word amongst one another, that does not make it okay for me to say it (a white person) because of the context of it.
the Y-word is just as offensive to jews as the N-word is to blacks. so what if jews call each other by the Y-word, its the same as black people calling each other by the N-word, and I don't think you'd shout a group of blacks "N*****s" Just because they are different words doesn't make one not as bad as the other; they are equally as offensive.
I can't imagine Jewish Brooklyn Dodgers fans back in the 1950s chanting "Heebs! Heebs! Heebs!" then again, they probably did yell "Schwarzer!" or "N***er!" at Jackie Robinson. people in Brooklyn, of all races/backgrounds are racist towards other groups around them. lol it's not a hate thing, so much as an insular thing.
so you think freedom, is a place where you can randomly insult and offend people, what if you were part of the insulted minority, being persecuted ? that sounds free, or maybe it is only your freedom that matters
@WonkyDoodle if you can get black jewish people and people from other backgrounds can convert to judaism, then how is it a race? not trying to correct you just want someone to explain it to me
Guys, this film is not about holocaust but about using offensive words. And try not to convince anyone what is offensive and what is not (if there's a lot of people that feel offended with these words). @ ZeeGooner - yes, the Armenian genocide was a fact. This was a huge tragedy, but why do you want Jews to speak about it?
I've been racially abused several times. Instead of running to the police, I told the perpetrator they were a twat and got on with my life. You know, like an adult.
I would consider twat as very offensive my friend. Were all best to keep quiet like people did in the Communist USSR and do what were told by the media. LOL
I'm against racism but making racist words criminal offences is a breach of our human rights, I thought we had freedom of speech in this country, but obviously not. Now I'm not saying I would ever use these words, because I wouldn't, it's just the principal, telling us what words we can use and can't use that annoys me.
So, according to a few of the people below, its okay for Spurs fans to say yid, but not anyone else. Dont matter who its used by, it has the same fucking meaning you plums!
Had no idea the offence this could cause. Definitely people aren't using "yid" to offend people. It's a nickname like gunners is to Arsenal and toon for Newcastle. Maybe this advert is to raise awareness that the word does have potential to offend people?
@pitbullthfc I am a Jewish Spurs fan, and always chant Yid Army and Yiddo! This video isn't bollocks though, it shows a clip of other fans using the word Yid in an offensive manner when chanting about the Holocaust. The video is just trying to stop anti-semitic chants, it isn't criticising Spurs fans. [Who by the way are by far the best in England ;)]
Funny that, I was talking to a Jewish Tottenham fan in the supermarket the other day who used the word yid and he wasn't arrested. I'd like to see them try to eject thousands of people from grounds every week.
@tuckmyster did you even watch the video? what the crowd was shouting? i doubt they were tottenham fans. You probably didn't know it cause offense to Jewish people but now you do, this is why the video is so useful! watch the video with a open mind first, then reply.
So are Spurs fans banned from singing "Jermain Defoe, he's a Yiddo"? Or chanting "Yid Army?" I think Spurs fans use the word more than rivals fans, which has weakened its power to offend. Someone calls me a Yiddo, I take it as a compliment.
@TomWHL What do you mean? It's an English film, so obviously he's referring to the word that was used for Jews in England. I think it's irresponsible at utterly stupid to use the Y word, especially in a racist manner. I hope you lot know that the persons who are behind this video are Jewish Chelsea fans, which says quite a lot. I'm a Chelsea fan myself.
I'm a Man Utd fan but come on this is bloody ridiculous, Spurs fans call themselves Yids, it's not as if Arsenal fans call them Yids to offend them, its a nickname for their football club. People need to brighten up, you can't say anything these days without getting called abusive or a racist.
@Jules101ful No offence but there is not thousands of other jews that support Arsenal, the fact of the matter is that Arsenal fans have always chanted about yids or made up songs about jews, I personally don't understand why jews support Arsenal
is it against the law to call MYSELF a Yiddo?? btw no one in Europe called Jews "Yids" except in Britain perhaps. People all across the Europe used their own language to call Jews names. what makes you think all Europe used English?
Maybe but the principal is the same therefore the point of this film is good. its a short clip, they dont have time to go into long explanations about how different European countries abused Jewish people. Europeans abused Jews.... we know this. Fact.
Anyone listen to the Second Captains Podcast? Beddiel was on it recently. Now, personally, I dislike the guy. Reckon his defence of Chelsea's financial doping with blood money is thin and self serving, however its the first time I've heard him talk about his film. His stated reasons for making the film are explicitly seperate from Spur's fans reclamation of the term and more to do with the dire abuse meted out at his own ground, and other London clubs. If you exclude Spur's fans reclamation of the term, this video is basically without reproach.
Yid he finds offensive yet he don't mention his own teams fans hissing and singing about hitler gassing Jews that's far worse spurs fans have turned a negative in to a positive and it seems only the spurs fans can see it most of spurs Jewish fans are not opposed to it they see it was sign of belonging and strength
Jews are not a race. But antisemitism, which is prejudice against Jews is closely tied to racism. People who are racists against Asian people (race) for example or those who have prejudice against the Jews (religion), can all be placed in a similar category. Those people show similar ignorance and bias, whether directed towards other races, ethnicities, religions, etc.
not true, judaism is a religion not a race, how can you get black jews if it is a race? my mother was not born a jew, she converted, does that make her racially jewish?
Actually Judaism is a religion but also a culture. And Jews are considered "ethnic". Your mother is not ethnically Jewish because she adopted Judaism. I dont take anything away from who she is but thats a fact. And its a fact that Jews are ethnic.
I'm Jewish and Yid is nothing like the 'N-word' and 'P-word'. Why? Because Yid is just another word for Jew. Calling me a Jew is NOT an insult. Yid is NOT an insult.
@harj2009 "some are semites most are not...so its not anti Semitic"? Are you serious. Antisemitism is prejudice against Jews. There is no need to demonstrate that Semitics, in originality refers to a group of ancient languages. Today, this word has a different contextual meaning: Jews=Semites; anti-Jewish=antisemite.
Spurs fans are not using it against the Jews we are using to show we are together we are one and fuck the haters we are brothers other teams used it as a slur we adopted it to show we don't care what they think now it's a positive word this video is made by non spurs fans who don't know the history behind us using the word the baddiel brothers should look at their own clubs support about it not ours
the fact that non-jew spurs fans use this word in reference to themselves discredits the whole video. the talk about gas camps is some unprecedented abuse but thats almost an entirely different matter considering the context the word is normally used in football
Well I am a Jew too and you have no right to speak in the name of all of us, since their are plenty of Jews, me included, who are deeply offended by that word.
That's bullshit everybody! Don't you ever believe those PC fucktards. I'm Jewish and I love this word , it just says ''Jew'' in Yiddish and there's nothing bad with it. Don't stop singing it! Don't stop saying it! Be proud to be yids. Great support from the Jewish nation! YIDARMY!!!!
Yiddo yiddo yiddo yiddo yiddo we’ve sung it in france we’ve sung it in spain they tried to stop to stop us but look what it did, the thing i love is being a yid being a yid being a yid
what an absolute crock of shite! im a spurs fan with jewish heritage and i LOVE the fact we use the word! as do the rest of my family! us adopting the word has done more to squash any discrimination than this video will ever do! all this has acheived as can be seen in the neandathol comments below is to stir up a hornets nest of hatred! its absolute bollocks!! YID & PROUD and if anything we will all sing it even more in protest of this utter Bollocks! YIDS, YIDS, YIDS!!
"Yid" is as offensive as the N word??? Are you for real? MrBaddiel, MrLineker etc the chant (which you widely publicise) is offensive because it mocks Jewish people murdered at Auschwitz, not because it uses the word Yid. A Spurs fanatic told me Yid is "a badge and name of honor". Yid.com is a dating site Jewish people use. Can you imagine a dating site called "N-word.com"??? Not the same thing, really, is it? Kick out hatred, yes. Kick out racism, yes. But this "campaign" is naive & misguided.
if some players behave like pigs on the pitch, how do you expect the dumb fans to behave??? it's sad to see how racial abuse is becoming quite common in British football and some club managers are condoning it. football as a sport must be used to bring people together rather than spreading hate... anyway racial hatred has always been around and will always be around but if we can fight this monster and respect each other as human beings, life would be a lot more beautiful. lets use the L word
Yiddish is a language. A mix between German and Hebrew. The language was spoken by Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe, I'm a Jewish spurs fan. I couldn't care less if you called me a yid.
You're actually wrong. Yiddish is not just a language at all it refers to a whole culture and people. You should be ashamed of yourself. Pick up a fucking book and read about your Jewish culture and take a bit of pride in it instead of bowing your head and laughing along with your non-Jewish mates you fucking sad little prick.
spurs have adopted the term yid as a badge of honour which is a great example of triumph over racism. The clip used is extreme but they av deliberately found an extreme example to try n add credability to their campaign. The term yid these days is a description of a spurs fan,eg being an arsenal fan we will great an ex-spurs player with yiddo chants nothing more than a bit of rival stick, surely if it was meant as a racial dig at jews we wuld sing it at jewish players ie benayoun
I'm Jewish and Spursish and am more than happy to identify myself as a Yiddo. FA - Please stop sticking your nose in where it's not necessary. The term 'Yiddo' (oops, said it again! OH NOOOO!) was adopted BY Spurs fans themselves to defuse the anti-Jewish connotation behind the original insult. So where's the problem!!?
Super Frank I love you! I'm jewish Chelsea fan and I'm proud to be. We can focus on football, and not hate each other because we're from different religions! I never hated anyone because they were christians or muslims, and there's no reason to hate jewish people either.
@@Dand40 it's not about being Tottenham it's about being Jewish, if you aren't Jewish you have zero right to have a claim on how or what is appropriate in its use.
@@Dand40 Good for you. The hypocrisy of the likes of convicted trolls like Nathan Blagg and Lee Munns. ( Chelsea sadly) who post up anti semite stuff, when Abramovich was so generously funding Chelsea. Who is jewish himself.
However, by now, Tottenham is connected with the jewish heritage only by remnants of historical buildings and a couple of older fans who don't usually visit the games themselves.. and the yiddo-chants. It's become a pretext for starting fights and preserving a violant atmosphere ...it should stop because it has nothing to do with judaism, in fact brings it into disrepute.
@TomWHL For God's sake... People in England called them yids, obviously not in Germany. It's btw spelled "Juden" in German. A stupid word to use anyway.
@tuckmyster Black people are allowed to call eachother the N word!! The same way jewish people are allowed to call each other the y word! This video was there to stop non-jewish fans saying it cause its rasist! Your just asking the same question over and over again. I really dont see how hard it is to understand! If your gonna ask another stupid question, ill just copy and paste all i wrote.
@VvspatrioT If you were to use the logic used in this video - the word used to describe the race is used to defame the race - to ban "Yid" then ask yourself how that logic applies to this comment (use google translate). As I read it, the logical conclusion is that you would ban the word "Jew".
David Baddiel today asked people to read the comments of this video. So here I am reminding people that He himself went on TV and did blackface as he thought it was funny to make fun of a black footballer. He has never publicaly apologized to black people or to the individual player who faced years of opposition jokes Thanx to Baddiel.
@TheBighairyfart erm i think i know... i'm a jew and i can't speak much yiddish but i know that the reason it's called yid-ish is coz its a jewish language... and yid means jew trust me
in this instance, I believe (because of the footballer they have used) they mean the word p*ki which is a very offensive word in Britain whatever the context
The most common pejorative for Jews is...get this...Jew! Or Jude in other languages. Any use of the J word makes you an anti-semite by the logic in this video. Shortening words does not make them suddenly offensive, people using words in an offensive context is what makes them offensive.
Yes it is context but the context of Jew and Yid are not the same. Also, especially if you are Jewish and grew up in North London listening to the bile of racism like I had to during the 70s and 80s. Thank God, things are changing now. Thank God we are actually discussing it and non-Jews in this video are supporting us Jews that are fed up hearing this term.
Supadupaguy81, the fact that you have decided to call yourselves "Yids" may not be offensive to you, but is to other people. Have some thought for others rather than defending what is a racist insult just because you think that it's ironic. It's not just about what you want to be called, but how others will be affected by it. I know you see this as meddling, but Holocaust survivors or their relations will be offended, and rightly so, by this peurile name calling.
Since when was it racist anyway, im not sure if loads of people actualyy know why. I have a teacher at school who calls me his little yid and hes jewish, im just guessing their trying to stop spurs fans saying it or ley everyone else say it aswell but when other fans say it they mean it in offensive ways thats why only tottenham fans should say it. YID ARMY!!
@tuckmyster when other people supporting spurs, who arent jewish say the word its a probelm, they think its a friendly word, but its racist, and the sooner they realize it, the better
I swear arsenal started calling us yidos? we call ourselves the yids because our club was founded by yids, and has always been associated with yids, so me for one, so it as a positive term because im staying true to my club roots. YID ARMY.
@ZeeGooner The greeks killed were soldiers and not civilians, and the killers were not Turks as Turkey didn't even exist at the time. They were members of the Ottoman empire. And the word Yid can certainly be used in a racist way, but it isn't necessaries a racist term.
@BRADFORDCITYworstFAN So that makes the moral of the video doesnt count? Because theres 4 leagues between them? The "Y-Word" is racist whether its champions league football, or sunday league football.
@MrGann88 It isn't your word to use though. It's not right to take a word that has been used to justify the oppression and murder of people and turn it into a word for you to use in your petty football arguments. It's just not appropriate.
@90jlawson You are right there is one friend I forgot who supports Arsenal but is not Jewish. However, the rest are jewish. I'm sorry if that upsets you but it's a fact. Of course there are Jewish connections at board level as well just as there are at Spurs. At the end of the day what the hell does it matter? But Yid is a derogatory term in that's a fact.
@ToniKallioInMyHeart you made me watch this again :-( "back in the 30s and 40s jewish people all over europe were being rounded up and killed. people called them yids" are you saying he´s reffering to england? the word "yid" wasn´t being used by nazis. yude - that´s how it´s pronounced in german and also slavic languages have totally differently pronounciation. Therefore there is no 2WW connotation if you chant yids yids. it can be a neo-nazi english thing if certain people mean it that way.
Nazis did insult Jews though, duh... obviously..... using hateful anti-semitic terms so its the same thing. The term Yid is considered to be and used as a racial epithet. It was used against Jews in London during the 70s, 80s especially when I was growing up and its as ugly and nasty as any other ethnicity having to suffer hearing "Nigger" or "Paki". Its exactly the same.
No. Yid is NOT offensive.
I'm Jewish and I'm a Spurs fan. We call ourselves Yids to reclaim the word. It's a badge of recognition and honour, it's our label for ourselves and Jew and non-Jew Spurs fans use it with pride.
If some are offended then I'm glad we live in a country where we CAN offend each other.
But I will not accept real racists preventing me using a word just because they use it in a derogatory manner. I have the right to call myself what I want - how dare anyone stop that.
Self hating
I always thought it was an affectionate word. I didn't realise how distressing it is. I know now. Sorry for my ignorance.
don't apologise. you learnt, you took on the message and you improved. that's respectable. thank you
I appreciate the apology, and your willingness to learn. Thank you.
@@lauradavis9344 you never apologised for calling me the N word either
@@fatpandapop7221I never called anyone the N word or P word. Never would. I did however March in the USA in protest marches against the Kkk in the 80s. I stood against racism always assuming others stood with me as well when we are called the K or Y words or racist terms. Sadly apparently when it comes to racism us Jews just don't count and the excuses are all racist themselves.
The fact this will never work because this is tottenham's main chant, they have been singing it for a long time, fat chance of stopping that.
The word 'yid' is not a racist word but some football fans do use it in a derogative term. Spurs fans don't. Spurs fans have always been called 'yids' by opposing fans and in a derogative way. So just like homosexuals did with the word 'queer', we have turned it around and went with it so it would no longer offend the jewish fans of Spurs. It is in no way shape or form, chanted by Spurs fans, as being anti-semetic. But fans such as Chelsea, West Ham, and Leeds fans are being anti-semetic when abusing our fans with it. Spurs fans call each other it and the players to
yid, when used in the context of yiddish language, is not offensive when spoken by Jews, it's actually pronounced "deed". When pronounced by non-jews it becomes offensive, especially people who have no idea what it means/where it comes from or how to say it. The truth is Arsenal have more Jewish fans than tottenham, tottenham are not a jewish inclusive club and so the very use of the word becomes offensive. Spurs claiming a term out of jest and using it as their identity when the majority of fans are NON-JEWS is cultural appropriation and by definition anti-semitic.
Which is basically a really questionable justification considering how small the actual percentage of Jewish fans there are at Tottenham... at least 5%. So basically non-Jews are reclaiming a word that never belonged to them in the first place.
Right! That's bullshit everybody! Don't you ever believe those PC fucktards. I'm Jewish and I love this word , it just says ''Jew'' in Yiddish and there's nothing bad with it. Don't stop singing it! Don't stop saying it! Be proud to be yids. Great support from the Jewish nation! YIDARMY!!!!
if Spurs use the word - even as a badge of pride - that makes it acceptable for other sides to use it, often as an insult. the word isn't acceptable in any sense. there's a lack of understanding over what it means and how threatening it can sound. why do we insist on using it?
have a read about what happened around Ajax and their links to the Jewish community. that started out as a laugh and as a badge of pride... didn't end that way.
A voice of reason amongst a sea of ignorance.
The Largest Jewish community in England live in Stamford Hill N15/N16 half way between the Emirates and White Hart Lane and so they are just as likely to support Arsenal as they are Spurs
David Dein , Danny Fiszman , Stan Kroenke , yes we have a lot of Jewish Support and while I hear anti Spurs chants, I no longer hear anti semitic chants at the Emirates, the average Arsenal fan would not tolerate it
Kroenke isn't Jewish.
What anti Semitic chants are you on about the way spurs use it it's not anti Semitic that's what fans of other clubs don't understand we took a negative and made it a positive we are showing we are proud of our Jewish heritage we are together we are one
The truth is that north London's Jewish Tottenham fans have become immune to hearing Yid as an insult by non-Jews because they have become ghettoised and forced to do so. I know this, I grew up in north London and remember the unbridled hatred from some non-Jews towards Jews at school and on the street. We've been forced to put up with this garbage for too long and its about time it ended.
@Tr33fiddy the probelm isnt you calling your self the y-word its others seeing that its acceptable for them to use it in a degogatory manner, because everyone else is, this has to stop. just you feel you have the right to call yourself what you want, doesnt mean others will feel the same, I think more messages like this have to be mainstreamed and recognized more, not judged.
I can honestly say I've never heard the word "yiddo" before in my life. I don't think I've led a particularly sheltered life. Everyone who knows me would agree, including my butler.
10 yrs ago
Had to come to CZcams just to find out what fucking word they're talking about. Jezus fucking Christ, are we children?
Mabey read his(David Baddiels) book about it, and you'll understand...(but I guess I am ten years too late)
What is even the point of your comment? Maybe you’ve heard it without the -do at the end. You’re not funny.
I am a Spurs supporter and not Jewish. I find the chanting of 'yiddos' at the ground offensive. Not only that, it implies all Spurs supporters are Jewish and we are not. It is strange how these myths grow. All my friends and work colleagues that support Arsenal are Jewish and yet they are not considered a Jewish club! My belief is there are as many Jewish Arsenal supporters as there are Spurs. This is simply because most Jewish communities are in north London.
Baddiel has clarified that the fans chanting "yiddos" aren't spurs fans but they are in fact chanting it at Spurs fans.
Just because a Tottenham fan uses it as 'badge and name of honour' doesn't mean it's okay. It allows people to pass off anti-semitism as alright. It is the same thing really. Afro-Caribbean people of my age use the n-word amongst one another, that does not make it okay for me to say it (a white person) because of the context of it.
Exactly, thank God there are people like you out there. It gives me some hope that things are changing.
the Y-word is just as offensive to jews as the N-word is to blacks.
so what if jews call each other by the Y-word, its the same as black people calling each other by the N-word, and I don't think you'd shout a group of blacks "N*****s"
Just because they are different words doesn't make one not as bad as the other; they are equally as offensive.
I can't imagine Jewish Brooklyn Dodgers fans back in the 1950s chanting "Heebs! Heebs! Heebs!"
then again, they probably did yell "Schwarzer!" or "N***er!" at Jackie Robinson.
people in Brooklyn, of all races/backgrounds are racist towards other groups around them. lol it's not a hate thing, so much as an insular thing.
I didn't know there was a Y word
KJ Red Devil it’s yeet
"Yid" is their own name which they call themselves!
How IN TF is "Yid" offensive? When it is LITERALLY just half of the word "Yiddish"!!!???!!! WTF!?
@@whythelies4586 they sure do - Yid army singing - czcams.com/video/SvWfAvuHAUA/video.html
Gregory Smith I call em paddy cunts
so you think freedom, is a place where you can randomly insult and offend people, what if you were part of the insulted minority, being persecuted ?
that sounds free, or maybe it is only your freedom that matters
@WonkyDoodle if you can get black jewish people and people from other backgrounds can convert to judaism, then how is it a race? not trying to correct you just want someone to explain it to me
Guys, this film is not about holocaust but about using offensive words. And try not to convince anyone what is offensive and what is not (if there's a lot of people that feel offended with these words).
@ ZeeGooner - yes, the Armenian genocide was a fact. This was a huge tragedy, but why do you want Jews to speak about it?
It's part of who spurs are, we use it to battle racist behaviour. We're tottenham hotspur and we'll sing what we want.
I've been racially abused several times. Instead of running to the police, I told the perpetrator they were a twat and got on with my life. You know, like an adult.
/applauds
I would consider twat as very offensive my friend. Were all best to keep quiet like people did in the Communist USSR and do what were told by the media. LOL
no not really. that would be the case if all tottenham fans were jewish
Does 'claiming the word back' against racists actually do anything? It's still being used, thus giving it relevance. Just don't say it.
I'm against racism but making racist words criminal offences is a breach of our human rights, I thought we had freedom of speech in this country, but obviously not. Now I'm not saying I would ever use these words, because I wouldn't, it's just the principal, telling us what words we can use and can't use that annoys me.
@tuckmyster so r u suggesting that other fans shouldn't use it?
So, according to a few of the people below, its okay for Spurs fans to say yid, but not anyone else. Dont matter who its used by, it has the same fucking meaning you plums!
Had no idea the offence this could cause. Definitely people aren't using "yid" to offend people. It's a nickname like gunners is to Arsenal and toon for Newcastle. Maybe this advert is to raise awareness that the word does have potential to offend people?
@pitbullthfc I am a Jewish Spurs fan, and always chant Yid Army and Yiddo! This video isn't bollocks though, it shows a clip of other fans using the word Yid in an offensive manner when chanting about the Holocaust. The video is just trying to stop anti-semitic chants, it isn't criticising Spurs fans. [Who by the way are by far the best in England ;)]
Funny that, I was talking to a Jewish Tottenham fan in the supermarket the other day who used the word yid and he wasn't arrested. I'd like to see them try to eject thousands of people from grounds every week.
Question: Are they calling non-jews "Yids" too?
@tuckmyster did you even watch the video? what the crowd was shouting? i doubt they were tottenham fans. You probably didn't know it cause offense to Jewish people but now you do, this is why the video is so useful! watch the video with a open mind first, then reply.
@tuckmyster what should the argument be?
So are Spurs fans banned from singing "Jermain Defoe, he's a Yiddo"? Or chanting "Yid Army?" I think Spurs fans use the word more than rivals fans, which has weakened its power to offend. Someone calls me a Yiddo, I take it as a compliment.
@TomWHL
What do you mean? It's an English film, so obviously he's referring to the word that was used for Jews in England.
I think it's irresponsible at utterly stupid to use the Y word, especially in a racist manner. I hope you lot know that the persons who are behind this video are Jewish Chelsea fans, which says quite a lot. I'm a Chelsea fan myself.
Spurs fans see it as an honour. I agree it's wrong, but you can't stamp out something that some Spurs fans see as positive.
I'm a Man Utd fan but come on this is bloody ridiculous, Spurs fans call themselves Yids, it's not as if Arsenal fans call them Yids to offend them, its a nickname for their football club.
People need to brighten up, you can't say anything these days without getting called abusive or a racist.
@Jules101ful No offence but there is not thousands of other jews that support Arsenal, the fact of the matter is that Arsenal fans have always chanted about yids or made up songs about jews, I personally don't understand why jews support Arsenal
@schmatever sorry but by saying "you aren't good enough unless you are one of us" is racist! What am I insecure about?
is it against the law to call MYSELF a Yiddo??
btw no one in Europe called Jews "Yids" except in Britain perhaps. People all across the Europe used their own language to call Jews names. what makes you think all Europe used English?
Maybe but the principal is the same therefore the point of this film is good. its a short clip, they dont have time to go into long explanations about how different European countries abused Jewish people. Europeans abused Jews.... we know this. Fact.
Anyone listen to the Second Captains Podcast? Beddiel was on it recently. Now, personally, I dislike the guy. Reckon his defence of Chelsea's financial doping with blood money is thin and self serving, however its the first time I've heard him talk about his film. His stated reasons for making the film are explicitly seperate from Spur's fans reclamation of the term and more to do with the dire abuse meted out at his own ground, and other London clubs.
If you exclude Spur's fans reclamation of the term, this video is basically without reproach.
Yid he finds offensive yet he don't mention his own teams fans hissing and singing about hitler gassing Jews that's far worse spurs fans have turned a negative in to a positive and it seems only the spurs fans can see it most of spurs Jewish fans are not opposed to it they see it was sign of belonging and strength
I thought 'yiddish' is a generally acceptable cultural description
Jews are not a race. But antisemitism, which is prejudice against Jews is closely tied to racism. People who are racists against Asian people (race) for example or those who have prejudice against the Jews (religion), can all be placed in a similar category. Those people show similar ignorance and bias, whether directed towards other races, ethnicities, religions, etc.
So the y word is just as just as offensive but they can say it?
i'm from israel and a liverpool fan.
do liverpool fans insult jews too??
not true, judaism is a religion not a race, how can you get black jews if it is a race?
my mother was not born a jew, she converted, does that make her racially jewish?
Actually Judaism is a religion but also a culture. And Jews are considered "ethnic". Your mother is not ethnically Jewish because she adopted Judaism. I dont take anything away from who she is but thats a fact. And its a fact that Jews are ethnic.
@tuckmyster the basis of the word is racist regardless of the context it is used in
...A word beginning with P? I don't even know what that would be...Prick? Puff? Ponce? What?
Clearly some of these celebrities should be ‘rounded up’ and ‘looked after’.
Thank fuck I finally found out what this meant thanks. Ik this is after 10 years but it’s only just came on sky sports today
Funnily enough I came here looking for this specific video but found the one you're talking about as well
I'm Jewish and Yid is nothing like the 'N-word' and 'P-word'. Why? Because Yid is just another word for Jew. Calling me a Jew is NOT an insult. Yid is NOT an insult.
I think KickitOut should "Think again". Do they know what the word context means?
Can someone tell me what for N stands in this video?
Having been a Spurs fan all my life, I have NEVER used the Y-word I hate it's just vile.
@Tr33fiddy In the same token, some folk do find it offensive because invariably it is used to attack them verbally.
whats the word with p?
@harj2009 "some are semites most are not...so its not anti Semitic"?
Are you serious. Antisemitism is prejudice against Jews. There is no need to demonstrate that Semitics, in originality refers to a group of ancient languages. Today, this word has a different contextual meaning: Jews=Semites; anti-Jewish=antisemite.
Spurs fans are not using it against the Jews we are using to show we are together we are one and fuck the haters we are brothers other teams used it as a slur we adopted it to show we don't care what they think now it's a positive word this video is made by non spurs fans who don't know the history behind us using the word the baddiel brothers should look at their own clubs support about it not ours
the fact that non-jew spurs fans use this word in reference to themselves discredits the whole video. the talk about gas camps is some unprecedented abuse but thats almost an entirely different matter considering the context the word is normally used in football
is it against the law to call amerifats fat
Well I am a Jew too and you have no right to speak in the name of all of us, since their are plenty of Jews, me included, who are deeply offended by that word.
That's bullshit everybody! Don't you ever believe those PC fucktards. I'm Jewish and I love this word , it just says ''Jew'' in Yiddish and there's nothing bad with it. Don't stop singing it! Don't stop saying it! Be proud to be yids. Great support from the Jewish nation! YIDARMY!!!!
Yiddo yiddo yiddo yiddo yiddo we’ve sung it in france we’ve sung it in spain they tried to stop to stop us but look what it did, the thing i love is being a yid being a yid being a yid
Owen thfc YIDDO YIDDO
what an absolute crock of shite! im a spurs fan with jewish heritage and i LOVE the fact we use the word! as do the rest of my family! us adopting the word has done more to squash any discrimination than this video will ever do! all this has acheived as can be seen in the neandathol comments below is to stir up a hornets nest of hatred! its absolute bollocks!! YID & PROUD and if anything we will all sing it even more in protest of this utter Bollocks! YIDS, YIDS, YIDS!!
"Yid" is as offensive as the N word??? Are you for real?
MrBaddiel, MrLineker etc the chant (which you widely publicise) is offensive because it mocks Jewish people murdered at Auschwitz, not because it uses the word Yid.
A Spurs fanatic told me Yid is "a badge and name of honor".
Yid.com is a dating site Jewish people use. Can you imagine a dating site called "N-word.com"??? Not the same thing, really, is it?
Kick out hatred, yes. Kick out racism, yes. But this "campaign" is naive & misguided.
if some players behave like pigs on the pitch, how do you expect the dumb fans to behave??? it's sad to see how racial abuse is becoming quite common in British football and some club managers are condoning it. football as a sport must be used to bring people together rather than spreading hate... anyway racial hatred has always been around and will always be around but if we can fight this monster and respect each other as human beings, life would be a lot more beautiful. lets use the L word
Yiddish is a language. A mix between German and Hebrew. The language was spoken by Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe, I'm a Jewish spurs fan. I couldn't care less if you called me a yid.
You're actually wrong. Yiddish is not just a language at all it refers to a whole culture and people. You should be ashamed of yourself. Pick up a fucking book and read about your Jewish culture and take a bit of pride in it instead of bowing your head and laughing along with your non-Jewish mates you fucking sad little prick.
spurs have adopted the term yid as a badge of honour which is a great example of triumph over racism. The clip used is extreme but they av deliberately found an extreme example to try n add credability to their campaign. The term yid these days is a description of a spurs fan,eg being an arsenal fan we will great an ex-spurs player with yiddo chants nothing more than a bit of rival stick, surely if it was meant as a racial dig at jews we wuld sing it at jewish players ie benayoun
What do you mean "not really"? There is prove that we use is to try and stop the meaning towards Jewish spurs fans
I'm Jewish and Spursish and am more than happy to identify myself as a Yiddo. FA - Please stop sticking your nose in where it's not necessary. The term 'Yiddo' (oops, said it again! OH NOOOO!) was adopted BY Spurs fans themselves to defuse the anti-Jewish connotation behind the original insult. So where's the problem!!?
Super Frank I love you! I'm jewish Chelsea fan and I'm proud to be. We can focus on football, and not hate each other because we're from different religions! I never hated anyone because they were christians or muslims, and there's no reason to hate jewish people either.
as tottenham fans we use the word yid because it was used against us we have taken the word and made it into a good thing
@@Dand40 it's not about being Tottenham it's about being Jewish, if you aren't Jewish you have zero right to have a claim on how or what is appropriate in its use.
@@Dand40 Good for you. The hypocrisy of the likes of convicted trolls like Nathan Blagg and Lee Munns. ( Chelsea sadly) who post up anti semite stuff, when Abramovich was so generously funding Chelsea. Who is jewish himself.
However, by now, Tottenham is connected with the jewish heritage only by remnants of historical buildings and a couple of older fans who don't usually visit the games themselves.. and the yiddo-chants. It's become a pretext for starting fights and preserving a violant atmosphere ...it should stop because it has nothing to do with judaism, in fact brings it into disrepute.
@TomWHL
For God's sake... People in England called them yids, obviously not in Germany. It's btw spelled "Juden" in German.
A stupid word to use anyway.
Like if 1:28 made you think you were about to play Football Manager
what is the p word???
@tuckmyster Black people are allowed to call eachother the N word!! The same way jewish people are allowed to call each other the y word! This video was there to stop non-jewish fans saying it cause its rasist! Your just asking the same question over and over again. I really dont see how hard it is to understand! If your gonna ask another stupid question, ill just copy and paste all i wrote.
@VvspatrioT
If you were to use the logic used in this video - the word used to describe the race is used to defame the race - to ban "Yid" then ask yourself how that logic applies to this comment (use google translate).
As I read it, the logical conclusion is that you would ban the word "Jew".
@n17spurs No one said Judaism is a race, thats a religion. Jews can refer to both someone of the jewish faith and the jewish race. Understand?
David Baddiel today asked people to read the comments of this video.
So here I am reminding people that He himself went on TV and did blackface as he thought it was funny to make fun of a black footballer.
He has never publicaly apologized to black people or to the individual player who faced years of opposition jokes Thanx to Baddiel.
What about the language 'Yiddish' then? Yid simply means Jew. not a racist word on its own.
@TheBighairyfart erm i think i know... i'm a jew and i can't speak much yiddish but i know that the reason it's called yid-ish is coz its a jewish language... and yid means jew trust me
Fucking yid. What are you gonna do. We are yids and proud :)
‘Kick It Out’ ain’t working, chief
Can someone tell me what N stand for in this video?
in this instance, I believe (because of the footballer they have used) they mean the word p*ki which is a very offensive word in Britain whatever the context
I haven't found a personal except Baddiel who finds 'yid' offensive.
The most common pejorative for Jews is...get this...Jew! Or Jude in other languages. Any use of the J word makes you an anti-semite by the logic in this video. Shortening words does not make them suddenly offensive, people using words in an offensive context is what makes them offensive.
Yes it is context but the context of Jew and Yid are not the same. Also, especially if you are Jewish and grew up in North London listening to the bile of racism like I had to during the 70s and 80s. Thank God, things are changing now. Thank God we are actually discussing it and non-Jews in this video are supporting us Jews that are fed up hearing this term.
Supadupaguy81, the fact that you have decided to call yourselves "Yids" may not be offensive to you, but is to other people. Have some thought for others rather than defending what is a racist insult just because you think that it's ironic. It's not just about what you want to be called, but how others will be affected by it. I know you see this as meddling, but Holocaust survivors or their relations will be offended, and rightly so, by this peurile name calling.
watch - Benjamin Freedman speaks at the Willard Hotel, Washington D.C., in 1961 - here on youtube ..
Since when was it racist anyway, im not sure if loads of people actualyy know why. I have a teacher at school who calls me his little yid and hes jewish, im just guessing their trying to stop spurs fans saying it or ley everyone else say it aswell but when other fans say it they mean it in offensive ways thats why only tottenham fans should say it. YID ARMY!!
The fact that the majority of Spurs fans are Jewish and we all use it is something worth thinking about?
The majority of Spurs fans are NOT Jewish. Less than 5% are Jewish.
If anyone is confused as to what the 'P' word is, I believe it's the racial slur for those from Pakistan.
@AlexW14 - actually, that's what I always thought, too. Until lately, when I've learned some very surprising things.
@tuckmyster when other people supporting spurs, who arent jewish say the word its a probelm, they think its a friendly word, but its racist, and the sooner they realize it, the better
I swear arsenal started calling us yidos? we call ourselves the yids because our club was founded by yids, and has always been associated with yids, so me for one, so it as a positive term because im staying true to my club roots. YID ARMY.
@ZeeGooner The greeks killed were soldiers and not civilians, and the killers were not Turks as Turkey didn't even exist at the time. They were members of the Ottoman empire. And the word Yid can certainly be used in a racist way, but it isn't necessaries a racist term.
yeah but, opposition fans use it against you as an INSULT - hence insulting actual yiddish/jewish people
@BRADFORDCITYworstFAN So that makes the moral of the video doesnt count? Because theres 4 leagues between them? The "Y-Word" is racist whether its champions league football, or sunday league football.
The most ridiculous thing i've ever seen!
YID ARMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
@MrGann88 It isn't your word to use though. It's not right to take a word that has been used to justify the oppression and murder of people and turn it into a word for you to use in your petty football arguments. It's just not appropriate.
his name is rehman zesh. british born pakastani. plays for pakistan
@90jlawson You are right there is one friend I forgot who supports Arsenal but is not Jewish. However, the rest are jewish. I'm sorry if that upsets you but it's a fact. Of course there are Jewish connections at board level as well just as there are at Spurs. At the end of the day what the hell does it matter?
But Yid is a derogatory term in that's a fact.
Well, I guess it could be solved with a handshake! Has my comment caused offence? Please see Mr.Sepp Blatter to launch a complaint.
@ToniKallioInMyHeart you made me watch this again :-(
"back in the 30s and 40s jewish people all over europe were being rounded up and killed. people called them yids"
are you saying he´s reffering to england?
the word "yid" wasn´t being used by nazis. yude - that´s how it´s pronounced in german and also slavic languages have totally differently pronounciation. Therefore there is no 2WW connotation if you chant yids yids. it can be a neo-nazi english thing if certain people mean it that way.
Nazis did insult Jews though, duh... obviously..... using hateful anti-semitic terms so its the same thing. The term Yid is considered to be and used as a racial epithet. It was used against Jews in London during the 70s, 80s especially when I was growing up and its as ugly and nasty as any other ethnicity having to suffer hearing "Nigger" or "Paki". Its exactly the same.