Is Foamstars Even Ethical?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
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So, I've been playing Foamstars, and a few things in the game have me questioning the ethics in the game. Are You Ready for the Foamstar Party?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:14 What is Foamstars
1:41 The First Charge: Plagiarism
5:35 The Second Charge: Greed
9:51 The Third Charge: Coercion
12:24 The Fourth Charge: Generative AI Images
19:37 Square Enix is Goofy
20:30 AI is being used for Unethical Purposes
22:55 SVPA and the Defiance Act
24:44 Closing
Music Used in Approximate Order:
Gyakuten Meets Orchestra Justice for All Court Suite
Summer/Main Theme - Foamstars OST
Pursuit ~ Keep Pressing On - Ace Attorney Dual Destinies Music Extended
Smooth Criminal Cover
The Great Cross-Examination ~ Moderato 2015 - The Great Ace Attorney Music OST
The Great Cross-Examination ~ Allegro 2015 - The Great Ace Attorney Music OST
The Old Bailey ~ Closing Argument - The Great Ace Attorney OST
The Trial - Chrono Trigger OST
Pursuit - Time For a Great Turnabout (Dai Gyakuten Saiban Soundtrack)
Away (Phoenix Theme) - Final Fantasy XVI OST
Endolphin Surge - Splatoon 2 OST
JENOVA - Final Fantasy VII OST
Great Pursuit 2017 ~ The Resolve of Ryūnosuke Naruhodō - The Great Ace Attorney 2 OST
Jenova Emergent Theme - Final Fantasy VII Rebirth OST - Hry
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No
The floopy coins and dangle doodles thing took me out 😝😝😝😝😝
I was willing to give Foamstars the benefit of the doubt about copying splatoon until I learned that the foam is made from the characters' bodily fluids... which like, of all the things to """be similar""" to Splatoon, why _that_ ?
At least in Splatoon it makes sense because IRL cephalopods do that
@@wilh3lmmusicand I believe Inklings and Octolings are born as cephalopods before being able to take on their humanoid appearance as they get older. I think that’s how it is.
Hmmmm in splatoon it makes sense but in this game it's some serious shit for the r34 community =:
Out of all the things to take 'inspiration' from Splatoon this is definitely the one that confused me the most.
Shooting liquid on the floor? Sure, anyone could come up with that.
Faster mobility surfboards that only work on certain colours? Okay, a bit confusing but game design is game design I guess.
Bodily fluids? WHAT? WHY? FOR WHAT LORE PURPOSE DO THEY NEED TO DO THAT?
@@paperluigi6132 correct they start as just the squid/octopus form and then once they get to age 14 they are capable of basically making a template body (why all the inkling boys and girls looked the same in splatoon 1. This is probs retro lore and wasnt always intended) as they grow older they can make more unique forms and they begin styling their tentacles and as they get older still they begin to have standard human sexual dimorphism show in their inkling/octoling form
I find it incredibly funny that the ONLY person I’ve EVER seen talk about foam stars is captain astronaut.
That explains the fiasco of a release that is foamstars.
I never knew it released.
@@ThatSquidYT wait, it has released?😳
it's so funny for no reason
no one i know has heard about it except for the two friends i played with
Captain Astronaut prioritizes drama. This gives him content. More importantly he has his own agenda with this discussion. And AI blahblah
$45 for a skin is fucking insane
This game deserves to die just for this. Otherwise Mobile gaming monetisation practices will become a staple
Funny. People will complain about stuff like this but companies charge for online and people don't really say anything. If you don't want the thing, don't pay for it. Simple. Personally, I don't care if they change 100 for the skin I ain't buying ether way. Doesn't make the gameplay any worse
@@Charagodslayer666 People very much still do complain about it, mostly with how Sony handles it but its easier to just move to PC than deal with rabid console defenders
@@Charagodslayer666people complain about small games like this, but buy the newest nba 2k, cod games, and fortnite battle passes every time a new one comes out 🤷🏾♀️ like you said, they aren’t forcing anybody to purchase it so why push cancel culture on it?
@@danksmoketv2605 well yeah that's pretty much my point. Why complain about a game like this is most people are just gonna spend hundreds on another bigger game? Why not aim your compliments there? I play fortnight a little and only ever spent 5 bucks, I don't feel the feel the need to sink my life savings into these game's. Maybe that's why I'm not as against this one
I think the one actually bad thing Fortnite is guilty off is making battlepasses and limited time stores popular
I agree, the things Fortnite does worst are always store related. The game is perfectly fine, but the monetization is downright predatory.
@@Jaymotions bullshit. We can dog on Fortnite all we want but at least their battle pass is self sustainable. You only need to buy the Battle Pass once and then you get more V-bucks back then what you paid.
Maybe I've become desensitized to their item shop thanks to shit like Overwatch, but paying extra for crossover skins from almost any fucking series is definitely worth it (but I admittedly don't know how much they cost in Fortnite so maybe this one is a void point)
@@ConJakPre Coming from a person more experienced with the Fortnite side here, I do get your points and you do raise valid ones. But I do like to mention that it's not entirely fair to say Fortnite is necessarily blameless. Other companies making less consumer friendly versions of a system popularised by the game is still at least partially able to be pinned on the game that started the trend. Fortnite's microtransactions are also pretty costly (though the average cost of new items have gone down over time), even if not as high as Overwatch's for an example, even if you can slightly offset it with the “getting more currency back than you paid” battle passes over time (and also if you bought the Save The World founders packs back in the day and got V-Bucks through playing it, given you can be set for life through that essentially).
It's great that Fortnite has that sustainable pass and eventually earnable stuff, but that definitely does not make them immune to critique for popularising the monetisation model and letting companies essentially make the same systems but worse.
@@sonicrunn3r895 I do not believe Fortnite creating a completely acceptable system that other companies make worse is their fault. This to me is like blaming RuneScape for popularizing Live Service Games that resulted in shit like, ironically, Foamstars.
@@ConJakPre I mean yeah, but there is nuance to this. You're not entirely wrong with the Runescape comparison, but I think that's more of a length of time where I don't think it's on equal grounds to blame where we are now. Even something like blaming horse armour DLC for modern day microtransactions is probably a bit farfetched due to the timescale from then to the mid-2010s when microtransactions became a leeching mainstay. But something setting a precedent for a future idea isn’t necessarily equivalent to starting an industry wide trend instantly I feel, which is the difference.
At the end of the day, there is at least a partial aspect of blame on Fortnite for starting the trend, even if it's not exactly fair to blame EVERYTHING that happened after. I think it's unfair to say it's EXCLUSIVELY their fault and I will meet you in the middle on that, but they ended up creating a template that could and did very easily end up being copied and made more exploitative.
Foamstars is giving "Splatoon meets Overwatch 2". And I mean that in the most derogatory way possible
Fucking fax though…
Three of the most overrated companies in the vidya industry, with one of them making a tired and derivative product with micro-transactions based off recycles ideas from the other two. And people wonder why BG3 was such a big deal last year. Or Stellar Blade this year.
"The in game Store"
"the in game store?"
was so on point for Ace Attorney
indeed i even paused the video to laugh at that one XD
10:49 OBJECTION! You forgot the important detail that Splatoon 3's catalogues have no FOMO because anything you missed out on either from previous seasons or the one you were in the middle of is added to the ball dispenser machine in the lobby, nothing goes away. It's similar to how Deep Rock Galactic does their battle passes too, nothing goes away and everything is added to the regular loot pools afterwards
Are you not able to get back the clothing items until the same season comes around next year tho? That’s just what I remember
@@user-je5pk4ho9mI mean it's not like you are starved for customization outside of catalogs I have an entire look made from purely things I got through shops (and one thing from custom orders but still that just skips waiting for shops to restock with that item)
yeah but the ball dispenser machine is a gacha, and you have a low chance to get stuff like emotes that were prev in the catalog. id say it still causes FOMO bc u dont want to get it late while everyone else has moved on. but tbh i dont see a reason why a catalog item or any customization item whatever in any game would cause FOMO bc like... who cares? lol
@@uravitationalpull it's end of round emotes that are on screen for like 5-10 seconds maximum the actual cosmetics are added to shops
@@uravitationalpull the difference is that splatoon's gacha is that it only uses in game currency and its completely random. it never asks you for your credit card number for more/better pulls
This entire thing being structered like an Ace Attorney trial is great
We can always use a bit of Ace attorney in our daily lives
ace attorney best attorney
Is that a trans?
Ace Attorney is always a great franchise to pull from
The Michael Jackson basslines are a neat bonus on top.
Because the Ace Attorney courtroom will never not summon a very impressive rendition of Smooth Criminal
I like the biggest sin being square Enix💀
Same here
What did Enix do?
Square enix things@@SurgicalJust0n6838
This is definitely more Square than Enix. I'm not about to shit on the company that makes Dragon Quest.
@@SurgicalJust0n6838they might sue me if i tell you.
I am foaming at the mouth stars
Hi foaming at the mouth stars im dad
soap splatoon rabies
😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️
They truly were a foam star. S-uh
Yeah, somebody once told me
Hell yeah, I support the defiance act.
No one should be surprised Squenix is trying to lead the charge with AI bullshit. A giant magnet's not enough.
Oh no tiny AI images, what a horror.
@@lemonlime8949 The game has the images as an explicit reward, the message is "your time and effort is worth unlocking this." If you're gonna jump in on the side of Squenix you should probably know what's being talked about :)
@@setyourhandlex god every hippie scared of technology assumes I’m on the side of the corp lmao, what a joke
@@lemonlime8949 "Guys I'm totally not on the side of the massive corporation I'm just defending their practices."
@@setyourhandlex “guys I like trying to gaslight others into telling them they defend corps over ambiguous comments because I don’t care about consumers, I care about looking good only.”
I don’t support most of their practices but AI is the least corrupt to me. But you would’ve jumped to conclusions anyway. I don’t like corporate greed but you know what I hate more? Hippies like you, and I am HAPPY corps take advantage of people like you. I would much rather side with my enemy to see people like you suffer 😂 ask me how the corporate boot tastes, whilst answering to me how the unwashed, dirty, smelly consumer foot tastes
Glad you made the point that this is essentially version 1.0 of AI and it’s already causing problems. Scary to think we’re only a few years away from not being able to tell the difference between real and fake videos and we essentially have zero plans on how we deal with that.
What's more concerning is that the AI that is available to companies like SE or that you can go online and use now is not even the current version.
Context windows of over 10 million tokens, generative video of over a minute long... both things are not available to the public, with the creators allowing only their own researchers to actually use, many fearing for what would happen if they're released, and while those models are CURRENTLY running on the private multi-million dollar server farms, it's not hard to remember that just a few years ago when the first models showed up THEY were on multi-million server farms, and now they can run locally on your own GPU.
It's not v1.0 that was in early 2022 with Dall-E Mini. Right now we're on 3.0 publicly and 5.0 privately. The AI video stuff you see on Twitter is private and is AI 5.0.
Just a bit of speculative musing from me here, but perhaps one of the "Great Filters" really was AI all along, just not initially in the way we first thought it would be.
Considering we haven't even figured out the rest of the internet yet, and had many decades to try, my guess is that by the time we come up with any regulation, the AI representatives in parliament have a large enough share, that any regulation will be too late.
MaxOr humour can never be replaced by ai , shitposts can never be replaced by ai
This game is unethical because it causes physical damage to your eyes by using bright colors
Unironically it HURTS to look at this game I swear, how can anyone tell what's going on without bumping down the brightness on their monitor.
I can't even see what's going on in the gameplay.
Bright colors on their own aren't the issue. Flooding your screen and making it impossible to see anything is.
Splatoon (especially the ranked modes and higher ranks of Salmon Run) can be a very visually cluttered game, and yet if you're skilled and practiced enough, you can generally clearly parse all of the information being thrown at you. It's not overwhelming you with sensory input for the sake of it; it's just fast-paced with a lot of things going on at once. And it generally doesn't have things constantly blocking your screen.
Edit: Splatoon's colors also aren't *that* bright to the point of being blinding.
Splatoon does too, if not moreso, yet no one bats an eye.
while splatoon colors are vibrant, foamstars' colors are.. radiant, to say the least. some of these are so bright they display as pure white.
Captain Astronaut really missed the chance to call it "Foam-o"
I think one silver-lining to this whole generative AI discourse is that folks are starting to see (once again) just how much this fancy new tech is really only going to benefit the supply-side of the equation. There's all these people preaching the gospel because they hope to get something out of it, but there's few folks dying to consume what would be churned out, while far more continue to see it be used for sketchy or nefarious purposes.
Even without legislation, we're already seeing the bubble starting to pop because companies and peddlers overestimated how much the average consumer would want - much less, blindly accept - the "inevitability" of AI content.
I support the Defiance Act. I knew you were based.
The Splatoon theft allegations were always an asinine POV, but the fact that it was a primer on the real topic being what actual theft looks like? C’est magnifique, well constructed essay.
about the defiance act, the site is asking me for a letter topic but most of the topics dont seem to cover the subject properly. I don't want to mess up, which option is the most effective?
I’m salty they used AI art for the in-game music menu cause a lot of those songs are amazing.
Thats the future now every company will use ai art
what a shit future
@@BackgroundCharacter1 give me a sign when Nintendo starts using AI art, because I don't see it happening
@@BackgroundCharacter1 Boycott games made with AI content. Steam already rejects games with AI content, we should too.
Am I wrong for not minding it?
I feel like this video was made to just say, "Man, fuck ai!"
Based tbh
Rightfully so
Rightfully so.
Rightfully so
Are you implying that’s a bad thing..? AI art IS bad.
It's... It's just Splatoon but hornier!
They definitely could have gone the other route; instead of making you travel through the liquid you spray faster, you end up slower regardless of the team that the liquid belongs to. So it's a bitter fight between both parties in securing zoning strategies without ruining their own pathing to-and-fro.
Liquid shooters have so much potential, but nobody seems to want to take advantage of it.
Imagine liquid shooter with COD-like gameplay. Imagine liquid shooter with CS-like gameplay. Imagine liquid shooter with arena shooter, boomer shooter, or movement shooter gameplay. Potential, bro, potential.
But the thing is going fast is fun and exciting, going slow is not.
Yes it can be more interesting and strategic, but those things usually aren't good for mass appeal.
because it takes creativity and let's be real modern gaming industries think of business first art later
Im sorry to tell you but splatoon is way way hornier
Nobody likes to go slower in any game
For the longest time, I wasn't able to put the arguement of anti generative ai into words, but the line "art is human expression" finally gave me that base to stand on, so thank you captain
There's a lot of people(mostly capitalists and grifters) who work very hard to make us believe that the people behind creativity don't matter. So one of the most radical things you can do is show support and love for artists themselves, and not just what they make! Compassion is our weapon!
Not only is it human, the people making it are human too. It’s so immoral to now consider artists who make character designs, concept art, and normal art of a game as useless and easily replaceable with a program. These companies have no respect for people anymore and haven’t for a long time. :(
Then what base do you have against someone who rejects this proposition? What base do you have against someone who'll say, "no it isn't"?
@@Oera-BThen I would ask for their view and discuss. I dont't care enough to attempt to change someone's morals, but I would hate the idea of ignoring someone's side of an arguement. But if they constantly go "nuh uh" then the conversation isn't worth having.
But some points I would bring up:
Art is human because it makes us feel things. An AI copies and pastes based on logic and algorithms without emotion. If I handed you an orange piece of paper and described it as "warm", you would get it. Creativity constantly builds off of others and expands on what already exists. AI and robots do not, cannot and will not have emotion and cannot replicate the feeling put into work (can only think in ones and zeros).
And some questions:
Whats the point of generative AI? Is it ethical that these large scale models use stolen content? Why isn't art human? At what point is immitation stealing? Do you personally feel like you are a creative? Do you find AI appealing? Have you used AI in the past? Is AI art worth using over human art?
idk its late and I can't really think of much more atm.
Since generative AI got big I was always against it since it just felt "wrong" and its dubious existance always gave reasons to be against it. I just didn't have that "why factor."
Arguing with AI-Bros is an exercise in futility. They are dead set against "elitist" artists. They think they're the Proletariots against the Bourguoise.
They have an extreme "Us vs Them" ideology against artists.
I didn’t want to hate the ppl who work in making these AI programs since programming this stuff is a talent on their own and these tools could be useful. But you made a point that made me realize how stupid that mentality is. Just cuz you can, doesn’t mean you should. What IS the purpose of this stuff? To show their advanced programming skills? They can do it with their own content, make artists train it with their own data (in this case the programmers arent stealing and they can add some copyright detection stuff too so they’re not just sourcing data from the internet) , or make more useful AI tools just for menial tasks.
I’ve seen some use for AI art that’s actually good, utilizing the creepy or humorous aspect of AI for artistic purpose. I didn’t want to hate AI for that reason. But these AI programmers are creating their AI for very specific reasons that are outside of those use cases.
AI art can also be used for inspiration I think
@@wl-o8197 Plenty of image boards exist which encourage usage for inspiration. Hell, even typing "[subject] concept art" into Google gets you inspirational pieces. AI is not worth the power draw and its effect on the environment and artists.
They create AI because they want to get rid of human. Yes you are not hearing wrong. Look at the reality. If they really care about human, why there's no restriction of AI using? Combine the AI the robot, they don't need any human anymore (Well maybe there's one reason they need human, the organs).
I see anything remotely splatoon related + Captain Astronaut, I click.
captain asteonaat is in my top 3, probably even #1
Lmao that's me too. Missed when this channel is all about splatoon weapons
this video lowkey has the same kind of vibe as hbomberguy an hour into the OOF video going "hey remember when this video was about the funny baby sound effect??" Remember when this video about the evils of plagiarism and generative AI was talking about that Splatoon ripoff game?
but for real it's cool of you to have been in support of Foamstars despite the obvious comparisons to Splatoon, and then be willing to change your mind.
The first point I can kinda understand the “taking inspiration” points, BUT I think there needs to be a certain balance between being able to take inspiration and bringing in ideas. I feel like I've not seen many original ideas from it besides the character designs.
I like the ice cream cupcake rocket launcher girl!
This is a game I always forget exists until it shows up with a new trailer at the Game Awards or GDC or something.
The only battlepass I can levy no complaints against is DRG's. It's an unlock tree that lets you get skins and accessories without spending crafting resources. Once that season's over, everything that you could've gotten in the season goes into the in-game crafting table, so you can still make it at any time. Getting it during the season just means you're not spending in-game resources for it, so the FOMO is very low.
It's still incredibly FOMo, because it's insanely grindy, and once season ends, all the items will be distributed into the same source, that already has insane loot table. If you want a specific hat, good luck getting it.
Helldivers 2 still has THE best battle pass, it's not even close
What about Helldiver's 2?
@@benjaminbatema6963 I haven't played HD2.
I'd also mention warframe's battlepass, as it's absolutely free in an already f2p game.
@@Zedrinbot battle passes are permenent and never dissapear (and the currency to buy em is earnable in game (tho extremely grindy))
Thank you for actually talking about the real problem with AI, the meaning and intent. So many people only talk about it in ethics as a legal problem, but the comparison with running and music is the EXACT thing more people need to be aware of. It strips massive amounts of literal human meaning from creative expression, and just because you want to be able to do something doesn't mean you should be able to. If you really do want to do something, work towards it, put in the effort, you are not entitled to thieve from other's skill-sets to output what you want.
The whole value in art is not exclusively the final product, but that all steps require actionable choice. And I deeply fear for a future where entire animated series are provided by fools who believe they can do better, without a single learned experience in the medium - but because they are "entitled" to their end-product they believe it will be worth the permanent artist damage to human integrity for the sake of it.
This is a little expounded, but its most courted on the point raised in the video, because nobody ever addresses the LARGER problems this technology will carry as it slowly becomes more prevalent and more accessible.
We didn't get to places like overpriced DLC, or trend-chasing media schlock; by believing these companies value art. They got to these places because they feel entitled to their money. Hell, we didn't get to modern mobile technology because there was seen potential in communication, we got her because of literal slave trade of minerals that produce them in foreign imports for limited monetary loss in abuse of power. Directly in mirror to those that do not understand or acknowledge the scope that comes to form modern convenience. And general human entitlement will continue to carry in total disregard of how much intricacy actually exists in the process of creation (of anything for that matter), until the damage is too great.
AI, is not simply something that comes as an auxiliary effect to modern markets, it is a potential destruction of the largest philosophical aspect of our living race on Earth, to render human meaning lesser, homogenised, bastardised and chewed into disregard. The issue is unimaginably colossal beyond its present concerns and nobody seems to think of it beyond where it lies in economics and law.
I really appreciate this being a spoken focus in the video, I always had a feeling you were on the good side of things, but seeing you speaking with such informed vigour and sincerity on a topic as important as this shows strong value to your content and choice of words. Thank you Captain Astronaut.
Your vindictive denial of AI art is ultimately meaningless. None of you know what Art is.
@@Oera-BNice rebuttal.
@@Oera-BWhat a sad and pathetic none statement. Paragraphs of passion for human creativity and expression and your rebuttal amounts to being in denial of the writing on the wall. You sure as fuck don't know what art is if you think putting a sentence into a machine constitutes being an artist, and frankly your opinion on what art is holds the weight of a feather in the vacuum of space.
Have you ever picked up an instrument? Or picked up a pen? Or write something that wasn’t for your sixth-grade essay? Art is literally something MADE by people through expression (meaning emotional and creative expression,) AI generated images are not made by people they are produced through machines that have copied thousands of COPYRIGHTED images that the companies have 0 access to, any doofus can smack their head against a keyboard and hit enter and have it spit out an image, and anybody (including you goomba,) can sit down with a pencil or instrument and create something, AI also brings the problem of putting artists out of jobs, you are very clearly entitled if you think those people can survive getting other jobs right away.
@Oera-B This was meant for you, i forgot to @ you
Ironically, AI would probably be better fit in management and CEO positions since they can’t be influenced by greed or corruption
Unless it's directed to optimize for profit, which it absolutely will be. 😢
AI should never be in charge of human capital. Only human beings can make those human decisions. Unfortunately billionaires aren't people
@@trenton012001honestly, i think that both should be used at the same time, that way both can compensate the problems of the other
Or we could just not have CEOs at all. Just a thought 😉
Ah, yes. Skynet.
Every Splatoon player: *Laughs in woomy*
Your pfp: *Laughs in womb-y*
only 5 minutes in, but even if gameplay can't be copyrighted, they really could have done something to differentiate the specials. I would argue only the Baller-like special was unique, having a different skipping animation and the ball itself being more bumpy. The rest... not all too spicy
Foam stars is the only game I've seen that hurts my eyes, like literally watching footage of it causes me genuine pain
Finally someone mentioned it the color scheme is horrible, and everything is either black or neon, so you never know what you're looking at lol
man i was legit excited for this game, it would've been some good competition to splatoon and worked as a way for nintendo to do better with the current state of 3, but then i saw the company that made it was square enix so now i lost all hope
0:09 She's holding a Needler like from Halo lol
My first thought
I knew I wasn't crazy. It DOES look like a needler!
Gotta be honest here. The first time I saw the title of the game and that it had something to do with splatoon I thought it was some kind of splatoon-like adult game.
I mean... You are not wrong, the artstyle of the game does seem like something ripped of from an R34 animation
Yeah, Normally games where you spray white foam at anime chicks are a lot more adult.
Smash the Stars
6:32 Wow, even in the microtransactions, they're still finding ways to plagarise?
They either did it because of the Inkling Amiibo doing it (and that outfit also got into SSBU) or for the part of the Overwatch community that works harder than the people making the games.
I should note, for all my colorblind and photosensitive people, while the splattercolor sucks, I gotta say the Tritonopia and Tritonomaly options are really nice. (In Splat 3, correction) This past splatfest was really hard for me to live through because the magenta and purple blended too vibrantly sadly (it was the splatfest so everything was glowing too... and dark otherwise, so that sucks.) BUT, the Tritonopia option really helped me differentiate and process the colors effectively.
I was genuenly happy that splatoon was getting some competition so nintendo would wake the fuck up with the stages.
Then i thought about it for 30 seconds and i said "this gsme is going to try to suck the ever living cash out of me isnt it"
It's not like the Nintendo execs or the lead developers of Splatoon are the ones that make the stages.
The biggest thing for me with Foam Stars vs. Splatoon is the fact that Foamstars has an emphasis on skins just like battle royales, genshin, and other games. Splatoon doesn’t. There’s nearly infinite possibilities across genders/feminine vs masculine styles, hair styles, eye and skin colors, the clothes you wear, and, hell, what abilities you put ON it. Despite there being MORE options than most other skin-games like Fortnite, you’ll never have the sense of individuality that Splatoon’s whole MESSAGE is about in a game like FOAMSTARS.
That and the single players are usually fun.
WAIT, climate change and guns? That’s a weird thing to copy Splatoon over…
So its basically Splatoon, if Splatoon had no originality, cheapened by AI assets and microtransactions.
The "Foamstars is a ripoff of Splatoon" argument reminds me a lot of the old "Overwatch is a TF2 clone" argument, which is a silly comparison to make if you've played both the games - despite being team based objective hero shooters, they play VERY differently. It got most silly when TF2 players started taking Overwatch abilities out of context and stating they stole from TF2, as if TF2 was somehow the origin point of things such as shotguns, rocket jumping, or spamming grenades into a chokepoint.
It's like if I said "TF2 is a Quake rip-off", which is funny because the original Team Fortress started out as a Quake mod iirc.
All video games are just a ripoff of pong.
You have a screen to watch, some type of controller, and use them to do stuff.
i still remmeber the everything is a street fighter 2 ripoff, which for a time felt kind of true, but it also made sense that once you knew the shoto control, if was like a warm blanket for every new fighter that hey, at least you knew how to play the shotos till you learned the rest of the game.
I've been noticing just how weird and toxic a lot of gamers are over the years. They hate on kart racing games by calling them Mario Kart clones. They act as if every kart racer has a princess, a dinosaur, a mushroom kid, a fat dude who's obsessed with money, and a giant turtle in them. The only thing they have in common with Mario Kart is being a racing game with items that you can throw at your opponents. Then what's strange to me is they act like all kart racing games are trash and Mario Kart is the only game people should be playing. It just comes across as gatekeeping. I also find it strange how much Pokemon fans were hating on Palworld. What's insane to me now is how much Lego fans seem to be so bothered by Funko Pop releasing their own game Funko Fusion. It's like people only want one property to do something and that's it. Fall Guys fans are the same with Stumble Guys. Smash fans are like that with other platform fighters. I can just tell by all of this that people just don't really play too many video games. If Stumble Guys, Foamstars, Disney Speedstorm (& the many other kart racers), Palworld, and MultiVersus are copying Mario Kart, Pokemon, Smash Bros, and Fall Guys then why isn't anyone saying anything about shooters or fighting games ? Isn't Fortnite just a Call of Duty clone ? Isn't Tekken just a clone of Street Fighter ? We never hear this though lol.
Overwatch is a TF2 Ripoff
"your honour, square enix"
*D E A T H*
I feel like I shouldn't be surprised that a video about another Squeenix Live Service turned into a series of rants about how monetization and automation are designed to hurt the players and the artists but here we are. Normalization is real, and it feels like people have become tired of fighting back about it like you said. Thanks for another good video.
People are getting tired of fighting back and the companies being fought have made it very clear that they'd rather just take projects out back than address concerns properly. "Oh you like this game but want it to change for the better? Woops, now you can never play it again"
The bittersweet part is that Foamstars is not a concern because so far it has been forgotten by the public. Is like when Team Fortress 2 introduced lootboxes in 2010 but people only went against it after EA’s Battlefront 2 launch 7 years later. The reason? Star Wars is way more popular than a bunch of mercs.
Honestly, as a longtime Splatoon player and fan, I was exited to try Foamstars, but the price model is an aberation.
The Genshin currency exchange bit is hilarious!
I only found it funny because the entire bit was not true, but I could see the point he was trying to make
@@ashe_regeraI paid $50 and only got around 30 or so wishes for it when I was trying to get a weapon on one of the newer banners. It’s more realistic than you think, the rates for buying fates is horrendous, no matter what the bonus it offers you is.
@@ashe_regera its absolutely true
@@standlethemandle it's not. Genshins premium currency exchange is 1-1
You need 1600 for a 10 pull
1 Genesis Crystal will always equal 1 primogem.
@@ashe_regera It isn't true, the reality is actually even worse... 0.6% 💀
14:29 You know that they're REAL ARTIST bc of the size of the censure bars on 'em 👀 💪💪💪
Voice acting that sounds like an alien. I am so happy someone else noticed this.
I came here expecting a comparison/potential bashing of a video game, but instead I got a heated rant about how dumb generative AI is.
Honestly more interesting than I was expecting a video about Foamstars to be :)
I realy like that whole section about ai. Not many poeple talk about it abd its just realy scary... Im scared that they everyone is normalizing it because it's "cool"
3:30 holy sh*t thats alot of inspiration lol
Seeing the AI album art in Foamstars just makes me appreciate Splatoon's album art all the more. Even without any texts, the art in Splatoon tells so much story and even expands on the lore of the game, instead of just being random images for the sake of just being there.
Also, let me add another guilty verdict in for they copied Splatoon 2's Marie in kimono with an umbrella at 11:51!!!!!
JK, JK. LOL
Splatoon 3s main problem is that it exploits FOMO, but it doesn’t lock WEAPONS behind the catalogue, you will NEVER GET MEL T if you don’t finish the battle pass this season.
Any clothing from previous catalogues will also just be added to the normal in game gold shops, and the emotes and such are added to this gumball machine type thing that also uses in game gold only.
Not true at all. If you miss a character from the BP, you'll get them as your account levels.
I appreciate your effort to make it look a lot like a Phoenix Wright court case like 6:24, bending over like Phoenix haha. Also nice video overall
I support the DEFIANCE ACT
Square enix just keeps missing on live service games lmao
Most "live service """games"""" tend to be, especially since they all eventually disappear into the ether
Only exception is FFXIV tbh.
@WingedAsarath Thats an MMO a concept entirely different from a 'live service' game
Just made lunch, sat down, opened YT, saw a new Captain Astronaut video.
It's gonna be a good time ✨
Seeing you do the attorney poses is great
damn right I support the defiance act!
Man, I thought the AI allegations were bad enough (as an artist who was JUST starting to "set up shop" right around the time this all exploded, Generative AI fills me with righteous fury), but all the shop stuff? oof.
Pointing out the good and the bad, reminding us all of the implications of normalization and such, all while being funny and not one-sided? Thanks for making videos like this, Space Man. You're a good one. 👍
Imagine being a software programmer, getting replaced by automation and losing your job... losing everything just to turn and watch artists stand on their soap box and tell me to be a creative, "a robot can never take my job"
It sounded like a challenge to me, now it's time to sit back and watch them get knocked down a peg.
@@SherrifOfNottingham so because you lost your source of income to automation, you want to cause that same hardship on others instead of addressing the underlying issue?
@@SherrifOfNottinghamY'all would both be crabs in the bucket that is capitalist society in that scenario.
@@SherrifOfNottinghamu are obsessed
@@blitzie66 no, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy, artists called programmers losing their job to automation "progress" and now they're trying to call it theft when it happens to them.
People only seem to care about automation when it happens to them, but artists were especially toxic about it, saying that the future is everybody becoming an artists because robots will never take their jobs.
I'd care about helping artists if they cared about solving the underlying issues, but they don't care about that. They want to ban AI art to protect their jobs, and I know that its gonna fail because I know how the world works. They don't want to lobby for a society that doesn't crumble with a 90% unemployment rate, they are just fighting to be a part of the 10% that gets to have a job.
If they want allies they have to understand the best way to combat AI art is not to prevent it from existing. It's to restructure our economy so artists continue to exist despite AI taking most of their jobs.
This game was upsetting. Since it was “free to play”, I figured I’d put in some time and check it out. Honestly had a blast, the game itself is fun to play as a kind of Splatoon-alternative on Playstation.
But after the first maybe 20 or so matches it became immediately clear I was just playing with zero incentive. Literally nothing you get by playing is of value besides maybe a color swap or two after tons and tons of victories, and the goal post moves immensely after you start making sone headway on the pass… again, with nothing truly gained or to earn. Everything you can buy is insanely priced and entirely cosmetic, exception being the single character who was premium pass only and tbh didn’t seem particularly better than anyone else.
After literally dropping the game because it felt like a waste of time, I caught wind of how AI was behind how jank some of the stuff sounded, let alone the image generation. Couldn’t have uninstalled faster.
Also… dear god as a PA+ subber I had no idea the game cost anything let alone full price.
Actual highway robbery for what you get without PS+, and even with PS+ the MTX are still there so… eugh
10:43 what about helldivers 2's "battle passes", warbonds? They never expire, use in game currency you can get for free, and the premium warbonds can be obtained without spending money, too.
Personally, I like the idea of taking Splatoon a step further to the point where your shots basically alter the map layout but Foamstars just hurts my eyes to look at.
I've never seen someone give out such an educated an nuanced stance on the AI 'art' situation. Very inspirational for artists like me. Much needed.
You could say the monetization...
Exploits foam-o. EEEEEEYYYYY
I do testing to see if kids need special education. The school brought it some AI bro who kept trying to sell to us “oh, you should use AI to write your reports”. I was fucking horrified! I don’t think I should have to explain why an AI should have no fucking part in that.
>be me
>dragging in entire computer to run AI to write exam
>can't bring in computer due to rules
>fail exam
wth, education?
Other games: Ehh, ehh, programming a battle pass is hard! Please pay me!
Splatoon: Take this free battle pass, you can get the items later for a bit of in game currency from a gatcha machine or by simply playing salmon run.
as someone hoping to go into a creative field for a career, the fact that major companies are willing to fire hundreds of workers in exchange for an ai scares me
During the first few minutes of the video, I was thinking ‘it looks similar to splatoon! That’s cool! Splatoon has a cool concept that definitely should be explored more!’ And then everything else happened.
"You spray the map with foam and then use the foam to move faster"
Got it, it's Splatoon but bad.
This was an interesting watch! I liked the general setting of the video being in a court room Phoenix Wright-style, even down to the editing, and said editing and moments where the judge was doing goofy hand motions and playing the bass guitar was funny ;u; Thank you for also delving into AI stuff and explaining how there are both legitimate uses and non-so-legitimate uses for it.
The mention of the SVPA was also appreciated, considering that this is the first time I've heard of the organization! It's nice to hear that there's a group out there doing what they can to protect others, and I support the Defiance Act.
Counter point to Splatoon 3's catalog invoking FOMO, since the 3.0.0 update it has been possible to acquire missed catalog items in the Shell Out machine and gear in the catalog is still acquirable in the shops.
This all reminds me how the SE management told the ff16 dev team to pick out (integral) parts of the game to turn into DLC. Now I greatly dislike that game, but even so... dats messed up :(
That just feels sick, and in the bad way ^^' Just purposefully cutting out chunks of a game in order to earn even more money, instead of letting the developers release their completed creation (and letting the players play it) all in one piece. If you come up with stuff to make for the game AFTERwards, that feels like a cool reason to release new content, but doing it on purpose is awful, yeah ^^'
@jellycore1316 Yeah it was on purpose, some of the DLC assets were already in the game, just blocked off for the player
FFXVI dev team is also the FFXIV dev team, and thankfully hold quite a lot of sway in SE due to how much acclaim and revenue FFXIV brings in. And given how much Yoshi-P pushes back on their worst requests, things could have been a LOT worse for FFXVI.
DRG is the only game that does battle pass right. Everything is free in it, it lasts for months, and everything in it will be added to other (sometimes random but still free) ways to obtain cosmetics in-game.
Splatoon works so well, not just because it’s a fantastic game, but every one is on the same playing field. If everyone in a game used the exact same weapon, nobody would play the same just on peoples skill and playstyle. Having classes sort of add an extra level of fuckery that’s just not fun.
Digging the Dai Gyakuten Saiban soundtrack
Morals make values. Values make ethics. Not all codes of ethics are the same and morals are based on your personal experiences.
However foam stars is made by people who fucked up all 3 lol.
Fortnite popularized purchasing in game cosmetics but they give some options to earn Vbucks for free whether that’s through the battle pass or through Save the World if you’re a Founder meaning you’ve been playing since before 2020. They also have packs that are a lot cheaper than Foamstars that even come with Vbucks cuz their Starter Packs are $4.49 USD and include a skin, a pickaxe, a backbling, 600 Vbucks, and sometimes a wrap as an added bonus and those have way more value than Foamstar’s packs and way cheaper to. It’s just that Square Enix has greedy tendencies with games like this and try to ride off of the success of Fortnite’s item shop which makes billions of dollars a year while Foamstars will be lucky to make $100K before the servers get shutdown fast which Square is also notorious for if something doesn’t do well.
14:11 That could be used for a game where you have to detect if the art is real or not. Like a deduction game of some kind.
It can also serve as a way for more people to know how to detect AI images.
4:32 Shibyua. The word you're looking for is Shibyua.
Me playing ff7r
Why did Shinra make this game?
I was so prepared to get foamstars since I had such a good time with the demo but did a complete 180 when they revealed AI art. Glad to know I'm avoiding all the FOMO as well.
I think splatoon 3's battle pass is fine for the most part. You're not missing out on much considering that you can just find the items and clothing in the shops and get the emotes from the shell out machine.
Plus you aren't paying extra money on top of things
I forgot foam starts was a thing.
Midjourney even stole art from a child?
This sounds like a job for the Kids Next Door!
Usually, I don't like to be a doomer or a luddite about things like this, but unfortunately I think it's Joever. As in, there's no going back. It's like Pandora's box. Culturally, we just don't value art right now. In our dandy little all-consuming global village, almost all virtue is based around "line go up", and "more stuff, faster". Not being distracted by something 24 hours a day is terrifying to a lot of people growing up now, and they don't particularly care to engage with it on any level beyond shallow aesthetics. A lot has been said about decreasing attention spans and whatever, but imo it's more accurate to say that we're in the Slop Era(tm).
You see it in everything online- the way youtube shorts loop in a way that's meant to look seemless to trick someone with only 20% of their brain turned on into giving it one or two more views. How every title and thumbnail is just identical thing circled in red big bold font "The Shitfart Show's MOST UNDERRATED poopcummer!" People complaining that an online game doesn't have any content because it doesn't lock everything fun behind 80 hours of repetitive busywork on a battlepass. Content, content, content. This generative AI stuff is either the singularity of this kind of culture, or at least something approaching it. Sign of the times, sadly.
those are certainly all words
@@imnotsodefeated I mean, they're not wrong, sadly
A bit of an addendum to the plagiarism part: rules cannot be copyrighted, a principle that is valid for all types of games (cards, boards, sports, video). Rules are the "atoms" of every game, from which mechanics and gameplay derive. Imagine if that wasn't the case, and one could copyright rules, whoever owned "moving the analog will make the character run in that direction" would be the most hated person/entity in the universe.
That "The in-game store?", _pitch. PERFECT._ Wright-vibe. Nailed that delivery, audiovisually, enough I'm compelled to comment!
Additional kudos to having captions~
This is a hidden anti-ai video and I’m here for it baby
Support the defiance act !
The use of generative AI on album covers gotta be one of the lamest and ironic things I've ever seen in my life
how is every single one of your videos a god dam banger?! so many quotable moments as well, i love it!
9:53 Most fair Ace Attorney trial:
(Just pretend it's not a good argument idk)
Let this be a lesson to you, kids: non-invertebrate protagonists are always cooler.
As in, the one thing they DIDN'T plagiarize was the cool aquatic theme? Huh?????
11:06 splatoon have the vending machine for old stuff, i get all the emotes i miss there.
The one thing I remember most about internet safety lessons as a child, which would have been before 2010 most likely or at least before 2013, is a warning that you shouldn’t post your face online because people could use it to show you doing a crime you didn’t commit. At the time, I doubt you could easily do that. But now? You could, and it’s fuckin scary. Idk how I was being warned abt it in the late 2000s/early 2010s
Its funny that a foamstars skin pack is more expensive then helldivers 2
I'm dying at 8:01 LMAO (I'm stilly dying at 8:01 but the rest of the video made me die in the not fun way) fantastic video Capt and incredible insight to help level up awareness
10:51 Dear lord Deep Rock Galactic has been spoiling us
Personally, I see it as ethical in the sense that it finally be encouraging gamers to take a damn bath...
commenting on this video to bump its chances in the algorithm. The defiance act sounds like a great step in protecting people, and hopefully if it does get passed that other countries follow suit + give the rise to other protections to help shield people and their work from generative AI.
cool format, I can tell it took you a while to put together
I was somewhat excited for Foamstars as Im a fan of splatoon, but the release day I saw what the microtransactions had in store for the game and instantly decided I wasnt going to play it.
5:17 adding palworld sneakily was hilarious
the only comment I've found mention this lol