How to build a Spitfire #1 Frame 11 Sheet metal.
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This video was created for a museum on Sandown airfield (Isle of wight) the introduction is pointing out that during world war 2, certain parts for the Supermarine Spitfire were manufactured on the Isle of Wight, it then goes on to demonstrate some of the techniques used to produce sheet metal parts for the iconic aircraft.
Footage was recorded at a factory that specialises in the restoration of spitfires and other vintage aircraft - Airframe assemblies, here on the Isle of Wight.
Edited 23/2/2019.
Lovely work.
I liked the use of the washer to mark out the flange - I'll remember that one!
No kidding that was the coolest trick!
It’s amazing how something that looks that weak becomes a sum of parts that have enough strength to hold an aircraft together in high G manoeuvres. Great forming skills.
Very interesting to watch these frames taking shape and also informative on how it was and is gone about you don't need me to tell you you're doing a hell of a job and learning such a trade whilst working on such an Iconic aircraft as you go about it is nothing less than a dream come true for many including myself. My interests since being in my early teenage years have mostly been centered around cars and motorcycles of which I've owned many but since my mid to late twenties WW2 and the combat aircraft flown in the conflict became at first something of a hobby which slowly over the years turned into an obsession.
I have a vested interest in watching this video and as many videos as I can find just like it anything that supplies me with and feeds my need for information on this particular War bird and how she was/is built is now of importance more than ever. For many years now I've had an itch I haven't been able to scratch a dream that has never come true or progressed any further from being just that. I'm now in my fifties and not getting any younger so "now, I've decided to do something about it. Many of us want things in our lives some of which are way beyond our reach or means (story of my life) but every now and then if you want it bad enough and pursue it long enough a way to get what you want can sometimes be found and I think I've found it. With a lot of dedicated work along with some burning of the midnight oil and some cussin thrown in for good measure these efforts can yield results .. "my efforts, are just beginning, "as Baldrick would say, "I have a cunning plan "but, I need some help!
I've wanted this for over twenty years so now motorcycles and cars aside it's time to to start seeing things progress with a view to building a 1 of 1 full sized facsimile/model of the MK V Spitfire from wood Aluminum and steel. I've scoured the internet for quite some time gathering detailed pictures drawings schematics images and patterns of bracing / plates and build ideas and also gathered information on woodwork techniques and joint fixings and everything else I could find. I've recently been studying the build of a wooden Spitfire cockpit fuselage section put together by a company who build spitfire flight simulators these cockpits are the actual size of a real Spitfire cockpit and a good amount of information has been gained thus far.
All I can say is it's a good job I took woodwork at school as I think that particular learning curve is going to come in handy I'm a mechanic by trade so dealing with engines running gear etc (motorcycles and cars) is an everyday occurence and has been for quite some years so working with my hands comes naturally. Having extended my working space a tad over the past few weeks and built a home made jig for the hanging and spacing of the fuselage frames this is where my new hobby begins. The main problem is despite my many hours of information gathering one thing (the main thing) still eludes me "Measurements / widths spacings and thicknesses without which its pretty much guess work and that particular road is not one I want to entertain.
I'm pretty comfortable in the way I want to go about this in building the airframe from thicker than normal frames and reinforcing the hell out of it as I go so there's no chance of any disasters happening along the way. Materials are more or less at hand I know where I can pick up Plywood sheets and pieces / sections / lengths and sheets of aluminum and steel and steel threaded rod etc but without measurements of the engine bulkhead frame (have the width along the datum line but not the height) and the rest of the fuselage frames I'm somewhat in limbo. I'll say no more as I've gone on long enough already thanks for entertaining my post by reading it thus far but purely out of the need to move on with this if anyone can help with measurements etc quite honestly, it would be VERY much appreciated because I think I'm going to need all the help I can get. ;)
Sounds like an Interesting project. Any updates? And you could try a few places for information.
Imperial War museum at Duxford.
RAF museum Hendon.
Battle of Britain memorial flight, RAF Coningsby. and
British Aerospace. Warton.
Also look on CZcams for
Full size Spitfire replica
Someone has built a MK V fuselage much as you describe.
All the best to you.
Absolutely great video, please make some more!
Such amazing work - and so cool to see the old tools and techniques still being used by our friends and allies across the pond!
Awesome workmanship. A sobering thought is that a mistake here causing a flaw could kill someone when the aircraft is flying. That was drummed into me when I worked on aircraft.. I work to the same ethic on non flying museum aircraft too.
Amazing that you can both lighten and and strengthen in the same process.
such a true craftmanship for such a jong man. Bravo !
Really great video and very skilled work. At 01:33 you can just see the text 2014A-O printed on the sheet, so @edstoro3883 is right that it's annealed. It did go over the former very easily! I'd like to see part 2 to show what heat treatment it goes through for the final temper. It would have to be solution treated to make T42, but I wonder if they'd take it to T62? After the effort the tradesman went to flatten it out after knocking over the first edge, I'd hate to see how much distortion it would have after quenching. It would certainly be a challenge to flatten it out again! The formers look like they're made of Tufnol which is resin bonded fibre board. It's very nice to work with and can take a lot of punishment. Very dusty though and the smell always gives me an instant headache!!
Great work, done with precision and old school technique. Loved it
Forming block still being used today in modern Aircraft facilities great video cheers ✌
Brilliant stuff, really hope you make some more!
Thank you! I'm hoping to start work on the next soon. :)
Only another 345 (???) to go. What absolute skill and I just loved the boyish enthusiasm when it went well.....yeah!!!
Shame there were no follow up videos! This was excellent.
Very informative.
Brilliant
Jesus ! ... that is awesome to what's going on. History in the re-making !! Do you work with ARC in Duxford or are they a competitor ??
Absolutely fascinating, marvellous to see true hand skills in a young craftsman. Please do some more, a bit of riveting?
Thank you very much for the comment! I'm planning on creating more, potentially a mini series! Needless to say there will be riveting, lots and lots of riveting :)
Kind regards - Jordan.
Great video. I would really like to know what material you are using for your formers. Could you do a video of one of those being made? Thanks
Wow - absolutely brilliant - hand crafted art with the use of some handy pressure machines - is this how they did it back in 1940?
This is mostly how they did it! Pneumatic tools and hand powered shrinkers :)
Love the workmanship- did every spitfire part have that kind of complexity of manufacture? If so, no wonder it was so hard to mass produce!
It seems very soft, Annealed? Does it need to be heat treated after?
Super super video. It shows so well what went into every aircraft and a Spitfire must be the hardest of them all. Take care. Am I right in that the metal gets treated later to stiffen it up?
An almost fantastic video, but you missed some very important stuff to achieve that classification. What was the aluminum? 2024, 6061, ? what was the thickness? what was the temper? "0" and heat treat? I really liked the sped up part, showing how many attempts were needed to flatten the piece. Do more, and give the nerdy info.
This is bloody difficult. #2 maybe awhile!
Avec gabarit tellement facile !
may i ask you where you got all the plans from? i know it sounds weird but i would like to build a warbird by my own...
Ok, what happened to part 2?
I’ve made that part now, and we need to move on!
I am slightly apprehensive about building the “Merlin” bit🤣
2021 Is the year. I'm genuinely sorry for the delay! It will be after the 109 build though.
Kind regards.
I believe the alloy is soft at this point allowing bending with least stress then its sent to be heat treated..
This is correct, after the material has been heat treated it remains in a workable state for 1 - 2 hours and is fully hard in 4 days.
@@jordanthedove is there a way of 'softening' Ally that was used on aircraft, Specifically from a 1946 Cessna 140? I have a non flying restoration project and it had nosed over during a forced landing causing considerable deformation. I need to straighten the front end.
Great video & craftsmanship. What material are the formers ? Many thanks
Hello Richard! So sorry for the delay.. Thank you very much for the kind comment! These formers were made from jabroc, a high-density laminate of beech! More commonly used in racing skid pans I believe.
Kind regards.
Awesome manufacturing. Question after the side is bent you do not check the angle?
We absolutely do! It may not have been captured here...
Interesting video, thanks for uploading.
What material do you use for the forming template, that allows you to hammer the sheet over it without falling apart?? Obviously not MDF and too light to be steel?
Cheers Paul
Not OP, but that looks to be Bakelite plastic
Not Bakelite! That is a fragile early plastic used for Art Deco radio cases etc!! I thought it was “Tuffnol” which is a fabric and resin composite....very expensive, sable, and strong, but it might be any decent hardwood with lots of layers of varnish🤣✅
@@rogercrier Dunno about the Tuffnol brand name but that looks like a composite that is indeed held together by bakelite, i.e. phenolic resin. Of course it takes the fibrous reinforcing layers to make it tough. These usually were cotton fabric or paper in the case of these early composites.
corian (countertops material)
Ps - how in the world do you ship such a part to a customer without it getting damaged?
question: why not laser cutting? ( and then e few more...)
Am building statick model, have frames 11,12,13,14 made. very similar way of construction. Exited
Hi, is there anyway I can get a hold of you re this rebuild of the Spitfire please?
Good evening! You can contact me via this email - slacks.shack42@gmail.com
Kind regards.
how long did this process take in man hours?
Our apprentice took around 7 hours to craft this replacement web, 1 of 4 webs required to build a frame 11!
Many thanks for the cmoment - Jordan.
@@jordanthedove Delighted to note that you are providing apprentice training, particularly in this rare and specialised skill.
One other thing, I was told that Spitfire wing spars are extruded on the Isle of Wight. Is it your organisation that does this work?
I heard that it takes two people about 6 months to build just one wing!
Are those original templates?
Unfortunately the two templates used aren't original, instead created using dimensions from original drawings!
I wanna join!
That is so cool where is this fabric
Sorry for delay, the only parts of a Spitfire that are fabric covered are the elevator, rudder and pilot 😉
@@jordanthedove thank you... sorry im actually afrikaans language so i ment where is this shop or place were you are building this beatifull planes 😁
@@wianenslin2384 Isle of Wight, UK.
@@stevena9305 thank you
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From Indonesia here. I'm not expert in aviation-related things. Question: Can you make a Spit in exact dimensions like the original ones? Thanks...
They have the original drawings so yes
Apparently no two Spitfires are exactly the same due to them being hand made! Ah the British.
No follow on video’s?
Somewhen next year! After the 109..
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Which company is doing that replica
Your hair doesn’t need protection, but your eyes do! You can make parts when you’re bald, but not when you’re blind...
Looks very inefficient.
That must surely be an extremely expensive part... wasting so much time on nonsense when machines could've done it all within a second if you wanted to.