Emergency Stop! Union Pacific coal train at the Colo Bogs
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- čas přidán 8. 01. 2017
- Friday, January 6, 2017, 3:42 PM. Rick got the only good video of our last train at the Colo Bogs: this westbound coal train that went into emergency stop at about 2:10. I'd been listening to my scanner (which I just bought this week) but didn't hear anything about it. Then at 4:35 a friendly fella drove up who thought we were hunting pheasants (this is a small parking area mainly used by hunters) and asked Rick if we'd seen any birds. The train started rolling again about a half-minute later, so it must not have been too serious. I'll always wonder what happened.
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he was listening to the winning lotto numbers. Had to stop to check to see if he won.
I think that's my favorite explanation so far.
BNSF engineer here! I really don't think that was an emergency stop. If it was, he managed to break a world speed record (less than a minute ) in the amount of time it took him to reset the emergency, then recharge the brake pipe, and get going again. More likely he set the automatic brake to full service which is all air braking available short of going into emergency stop. If you ever get the chance to see a train close up go into emergency stop you'll notice it makes a very loud and distinctive PFFFFTTT sound as all the cars emergency air bottles blow.
Bonus Trivia. The automatic brake pipe air pressure starts at 90psi. You actually reduce the pressure to appy the brakes.
If it weren't for the chaotic schedule this would be the greatest job ever.
LastMumzy You do have a really cool job!
Thanks for the information based on your experience. I love all these technical details. As to reducing the pressure to apply the brakes: I drove city buses for 30 years and learned at some point that braking is similar to what you describe for trains--with no air in the system, mechanical springs keep the brakes applied. When air pressure builds up, it pushes against the springs and releases the brakes, which you then re-apply with the brake pedal. But you don't have to be aware of all that to drive; you just step on the brake pretty much like in a car. Cool that operating a train you have to actually know what's going on.
The more I learn, the more I appreciate why you guys are called "engineers."
Thanks! Ironically I had never considered working for the railroad after separating from the Air Force. I just kind of found it by accident after my original plans fell through. It's one of the few blue collar high paying jobs that doesn't require any education after high school to get (All training is done in-house).
LastMumzy wow, great info, BTW BNSF RULEZ
2:30 THX... The audience is now deaf.
i think i figured it out. the Domino's pizza guy was in the wrong place to deliver the pizzas to the crew. he should have been at the next crossing so they slammed on the brakes so the pizzas would not get cold. LOL
At last! The mystery solved! Probably pepperoni.
That DPU was involved in a wreck in 2002 and was repaired.
Service application means your applying the train brakes and emergency application means putting the train into emergency, my father is a retired locomotive engineer and ran both freight for Southern Pacific and passenger for Amtrak
At 3:16 to 3:18, it appears a lot of smoke coming from the third engine. It seemed to be running a little rough when it first passed (at 0.06), so my suspicion is something was up with that engine. Might have just shut it down and continued on their way.
yep....isolate and get gone
Probably red light signal,he horned even after passing the road.
According to me, when they’re stopping, it sounds like they’re yelling.
He may had an approach medium block due to traffic ahead and as mentioned in a comment, did not slow down in time and the ATC or PTC kicked in the emergency stop application.
Damn them brakes was working.
Damn the sound of more than 10000 tons coming to a halt.
My bet they were empties. 10k tons takes over a mile to stop.
@@KutWrite I don't think so, arejay54 said it was a coal train.
Does anyone know the difference between service application and emergency application
Emergency application is when the train cars make a loud screeching sound, Service application doesnt have the loud screech sound
Service application is a unspecific amount of air reduced from the the brake pipe to set the brakes (anywhere from 0-20 lbs) emergency application is when all of the air within the brake pipe is exhausted at "an emergency rate" to the atmosphere, causing maximum brake pressure to the brake cylinders. (96 lbs)
Why does an empty train still need a pusher on the end.?
Well, why does a semi-truck still need a big trailer when it is on its way to pick up a load? Couldn't we just run the tractor unit only when there's no load being carried? Oh, wait sec...
Same goes for power units on a train. They have to come along whether the train is empty or full (for sustainable schedules anyway), and there's no point in shuffling them around during times when they aren't working hard, just so you can shuffle them back to the position where you will want them after you get loaded again. If you wonder why the pusher is running, well, so are all the other units, just with less effort on an empty train. It's still contributing.
Such a big crossing for a gravel road. Nice Vid.
Thanks! Yeah, UP has room to maneuver their trucks at this crossing to get to their signals over to the left.
More like a "Hollywood Stop" than a emergency application.
Loudest brakes I've ever heard on a train
Stopped on a dime.... Wish my '91 Cherokee had brakes that good!
I work in Iowa for UP. I'd be willing to bet train control got him and he couldn't get it slowed down in time resulting in a penalty braking application. Happens all the time.
Thanks for the technical details from your first-hand knowledge. I love learning how these steel behemoths actually work.
That’s what I was thinking as well! I used to work out of Proviso to Clinton back when it was still CNW and right after UP took over. That was definitely a penalty application.
What is thes penalty brake application all about?
UP uses Automatic Train Control (ATC) signals on the old CNW territory. The indications are either Clear (Green) or Restricting (Red over Yellow). If it drops from clear to restricting, a high speed whistle goes off in the cab, and if the engineer doesn’t get the speed of the train down and acknowledge the whistle by hitting a button within a certain amount of time, the system will set the brakes on its own and bring the train to a stop. This is what is known as a penalty application.
Based on the fact that the train stopped so quickly and got moving again within a short time leads me to believe that it was a penalty application. If the train went into emergency, it would have stopped much quicker, and it would take longer to recover the air before they could move again.
There is also a pair of crossovers in this area also. Many years ago there was a single crossover in State Center for the way freights, though that one is long gone.
There's a safety system that requires the engineer to hit a button every 30 seconds or something like that (I don't know specifically how the system works) or else the train goes into emergency. I bet the engineer just forgot to press the button.
Maybe but the alarm is loud
Does not go into emergency.
He certainly did an smooth emergency stop.
Look at 3:16. Only about 2 frames show a lot of black smoke either ahead of the lead engine or is the lead engine. Maybe engineer through safety brakes so they could get out of cab due to the smoke or it may have been a bridge on fire ahead of them. By the way, what model of video camera is that that you used to record this. Great sound and good quality video. Please advise. Great video, thanks for sharing it.
Maybe something concerning the train on the opposite track perhaps!
Nice video Rick! Maybe the engineer saw something ahead of him on the tracks which caused him to go into an emergency braking situation. Whatever caused thecengineer to go into an emergency braking mode must have cleared up rather quickly because the train didn't stand still for very long.
I hadn't thought of that. But I'm still puzzled by why they didn't call it in on the radio. Maybe they'll just fill out a report when they get back to the office.
arejay54 he went in full break if I was enemerncy there would have been a phfftt ass well as the air dumping
I'm guessing empties.
It seems 10k ton of coal would've taken longer to start... and stop, too.
Westbound should be empties heading back to Wyoming.
at least you showed all the cars so i could count them, i bought a DVD on these trains and they edit the run buys
Yeah, I like to be able to count the cars too, so it's always at least in the back of my mind to film a train so it's possible to do so. I caught a mixed freight a couple weeks ago with 220 cars and was glad I'd been careful on that one.
wow 220 cars,,,post it
Actually, I already did. Unfortunately, It wasn't a very good shot--a block away and between houses. I almost decided not to continue filming, but was glad I kept the camera on: czcams.com/video/KxE6JIbb7c8/video.html
When the train stopped and you zoomed in on the leading locomotives, there was lots of smoke coming from one.
Maybe a steam locomotive, you never know.
Where was this at?
It was probelly a red light stop
Nice Horn
Yes, and it's nice to be out where they're allowed to blow the horn. So many towns are quiet zones any more.
Is that a rare safetran type 1
E-bell that I hear
The last two cars and rear loco looked a bit off until after he stopped, like leaning or something...
I don't know if it's a Safetran or not, but I know that I wish ALL e-bells were rare. So rare that I had never seen one. I prefer the mechanical ones.
that's a bit too far...
I do prefer the older ones because they are loud... but I don't think E-bells should be wiped out.
Don't mean any disrespect, but try living within earshot of 4 crossings with e-bells. They are louder and more annoying than the old mechanical bells. I live in an apartment bldg. and I hear 4 different crossings (2 are shared crossings but the e-bells are not synchronised). Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater in any way (except for the e-bells), I like all things trains. I so desperately want to climb up the poles and put some duct tape over the openings of the speakers to muffle down the sound.
Wait, why didn't he use his ditch lights?
Union pacific does not have flashing ditch lights. as far as i know only csx does those. i dont know of any other smaller train companies that run flashing ditch lights.
@@TheOofertaffy NS also uses flashing ditch lights how did you not know that
@@MetraEverythingProductions I probably forgot NS existed, No offense to NS fans i just sometimes forget they exist because they are one of my least favourites XD
WOW! that scream-braking sound is really spooky!! awesome
Thanks!
Where are the Colo Bogs?
About mid-way between Colo, Iowa and State Center, Iowa on Union Pacific's main line, which runs parallel to and in between Lincoln Way and US highway 30. Thanks for watching!
@@arejay54 YW
There was a big spider in there
wath happen?
I don't know. People have been making good educated guesses in the comments, but we'd need to ask someone from Union Pacific to find out for sure.
thanks
Nature called
When coal trains stop like that that means the train is too heavy. Either the air hose broke or the train hit something
XXShadowMemesXX Lover or the DP put it in emerging
C'mon those had to be empties as fast as he stopped & accelerated again.
Maybe it was a mistake.
Yeah, new guy flipped the wrong lever or something. I don't think it could have been a broken air line, because that would take a lot of time to track down and repair.
JacksonAndLansing Railroad Or could’ve not reset the Alerter and consequently Put the train into emergency.
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Screaming brakes and rapid stop and yet the photographer paid no attention until the train had stopped completely.
Wow. So many people talking out their ...... That's Clear Creek and he went to SUPPRESSION because the cabs' dropped out; went by a flasher over 40MPH, or some dead track.This is ATC/CTC territory. Good God but you foamers don't really know much about operations do you? That's an empty coal bucket, all brakes and no weight and they will stop on a dime, 2,000+ tons, NOT 10000+. He never lost the air or got a penalty. Sheesh. Can't believe I got here looking for Willards'.
Actually, trespassers were on the track illegally peasant hunting and train crew acted as witness to this inhuman act, ie shooting peasants.
Coal is bad.... This proves it.
Leave it to Union Pacific to screw up every time. . . Don't they spend any money on maintance of their CRAP?
Typical bullshit railfan comment. Perfect example of why more and more professional railroaders distrust railfans. In one comment you shit on the entire industry. UP moves incredible tonnage safely, efficiently and profitably and yet that's not good enough for Lou Pole. Has to refer to it as CRAP and "screw it up every time". Amazing.
Actually C David, no, I greatly respect all the guys in the business. There was a recent stretch where the UP boys had several catastrophic accidents almost back to back. I realize UP moves a LOT of freight and things happen that you cannot always control. Consider it a bit of venting. . .
Gotcha. If you look at overall tonnage moved however and the amazing job UP (and other railroads) do you'll realize your venting was off the mark. They spend massive amounts of revenue on maintenance and what UP runs on and with is far far far from Crap. And they certainly do not screw up every time. The problem as I see it from a railroader's point of view is that so many railfans trash the very industry they follow and then wonder why more and more crews flip them off or act like assholes.
That was completely immature and out of line.
If you regret the comment, why not delete it?
This is the worst video I have seen! The first 45 seconds & last minute focuses on nothing but a locomotives. There is nothing here worth watching! Please consider an alternative past time!
Pastime. Not past time. "Should of" checked that.