I was thinking the same thing. But I was wrong. Even though it might seem as a poorly worded question at first (to be honest, as soon as I saw the title and the thumbnail, I was thinking the same thing: never. But then...), I proceeded to go and define the words "autonomous" and "drive" with the help of one of the most popular search engines and "lo and behold" - the adjective "autonomous" is defined as "to have the freedom to act independently"; and "to drive" (verb) means "to operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle; to propel or carry along by force in a specified direction". Since whoever is responsible for giving the instructions to the machine about where it should go to, becomes the driver, the leader. Otherwise we would be sitting in a vehicle and the fully autonomous vehicle decides on its own & improvises where we should go or not go. You wanted to roll to Chicago, IL? No. You don't even have the vehicle. Your self-driving robot with wheels has decided to roll on the coastline of Latvia. Overseas. Making its own decisions. Maybe it's a fairly (too) linguistic approach to the title. Thoughts, opinions?
Madis Kukk 😂😂😂😂 I love that response just because it splits hairs gloriously, but when you "learn to drive" you're not necessarily learning how to decide where to drive to, you're learning how to operate a car and how to behave on the roads, and you can go for a drive without necessarily having a destination, just for the sake of going for a drive, so I would argue that an autonomous car is "driving the car" regardless of who decides where you go
Jay, Fair point! I'm glad you pointed that out on the learning side. Meanwhile, a side-chain brain process within me was debating when these autonomous cars would become the norm, so that Saudi women wouldn't have to worry about getting their driving rights anymore - but the activists have already beaten the race: female driving in Saudi Arabia is legitimized as of September 2017 and will be implemented in late-June 2018. As a doctor, they still can't treat a male patient. But hey, at least they could now drive a dude to another doctor or tell the autonomous car to get lost with the patient. This escalated quickly.
Something that seems to be forgotten quite often are people unable to drive. I see how my mom and grandma have become prisoners in their home because of this and it sucks. Public transport is also not always available or has impossible routes and schedules (add is the case here). Autonomous cars would be a HUGE change in their lifestyle. Maybe it's too late for them, but I hope that our generation can still benefit from this once we grow old and have to relinquish our driving license for whatever reason.
I wonder how many people would actually want to use a driverless car. I know the only anxieties I have about driving come from other people. Riding with a computer driver would only make that worse. I think a lot of people would like other cars driven by computers, but not their own, so they might have trouble selling the technology once it's finished since it certainly won't be standard on any cars right away. Might go the way of the 3D TV.
I will never buy a driver-less car, I would never trust my life with a computer brain. Technology rarely works perfectly (at least all my life I never had one electronic thing that works without any problems, even the vacuum cleaner gives me problems) so I would never trust it. I love driving and for me it's the best thing since I suffer from motion sickness. And I'm not the only one that thinks this way, I don't know anyone that would like to own a driver-less car.
Until more than 85% of cars are fully 100% autonomous, I will not get into an autonomous car. I don't trust most people to drive for me, I'm not going to trust programmers and engineers to make a car that drives for me. I was a professional driver for at least 5 years, I have at least 300,000 miles of professional driving experience. And how will these autonomous cars handle motorcycles? While autonomous cars seem like a short step away, there are far more challenges in making an autonomous motorcycle or convincing your average motorcycle rider to get on an autonomous motorcycle. And motorcycles in California can split lanes, how do engineers anticipate dealing with this problem? I don't feel comfortable knowing that an autonomous car shares the same roadways as me. While you can add commands to keep a car driving within safe margins in normal traffic conditions, there will still be situations where split second options and choices will need to be made. How do you program a car to handle some of the more challenging aspects of driving? Also what happens if you want to go somewhere that is outside of GPS range or not even on a GPS? Will a car just stop? Will it turn around and announce that it is unable to complete the route? Will it just drive in a straight line regardless of what's in front of it? What about driving a car in conditions like snow and fog where the visibility of the road can be obstructed beyond recognition? My GPS will get me lost at least 25% of the time if I don't verify that the route I'm taking is the shortest, most direct route to my intended destination, can you reasonably expect me to put my life into someone relying on this technology to navigate my car? There's too much doubt in my mind. A person can take contextual clues about the environment around them and use that to interpret the safest method of driving, given not many people do, especially those who possess a driver's license from the California DMV. Even if I was in a completely unfamiliar car, on an unfamiliar road I could probably navigate it safer than a vast majority of autonomous cars on the market, I could also drive it in places not connect to GPS navigation systems and still make it to my destination safely. I can also drive a car off road, on a dirt road, a road with 4 inches of snow and have a higher level of confidence than I would in a autonomous car to have the same ability as me. There's a long way to go before I think anyone will make a fully autonomous car commercially available. Mainly because these questions I asked and many more that come with the mechanics of driving a car. The first fully autonomous car will have to be one that can drive from coast to coast without incident, without a constant wireless signal, in all conditions that their human counterparts could drive in, and on all roadways that a human piloted car of the same model could traverse on. It will have to be a car that replaces the human element better than the person getting into it to be truly successful.
There's a thought experiment commonly know as "the trolley problem" which might come into play with autonomous cars. Basically, as an example, will the cars be programmed to deliberately crash into a tree & potentially kill the passenger if it was the only way to avoid killing 2 or more pedestrians? Or will the cars always protect the passenger regardless? Such scenarios are rare but probably inevitable. I'm not sure I'd want to be the person responsible for deciding such matters.
It's as simple as two people stepping out in front of car down a country road (which in the UK are normally 60mph) Is it going to put me into a tree or run the two pedestrians over?
David Brown: Exactly right. These sorts of situations will happen, not often, but often enough. It's a dilemma, one that I guarantee the developers of driver-less vehicles are aware of & thinking about. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
True but everytime you drive you will potentially have to decide this yourself. Infanticide or suicide - the choice is yours! You have 100 milliseconds to decide.
There is one huge problem that's always bothered me about autonomous vehicles that I don't think many people have considered...or taken seriously. What if the vehicle is about to encounter an unavoidable accident, and the vehicle has only one of two decisions to make: decision one will save the vehicle's one occupant, but kill 5 pedestrians. Conversely, decision two will save the pedestrians, but kill the driver. I'm willing to bet that the computer will be programmed to make decisions that will save as many lives as possible...........yet in so doing, the driver has lost probably one of the most precious things he or she has......the right to choose self-preservation/survival. Scary thought, methinks.
lexfacitregem I doubt any current system evaluate "chance of death" or compares chances of numbers of deaths. Current systems are all "avoid impact cautiously" which is all the starting point anyone needs for driving. The rest of the rules of the road built on top of that. I don't think it will be practical or effective to try to calculate the possible number of deaths per available action.
Kyle Davis: Yes, I totally agree with you in that given the current rudimentary state of technology involving self-driving vehicles, calculating the number of potential deaths is not only impractical, but well beyond the level of technology and A.I. intelligence that we are currently at. But don't you think that it could at least be a possibility that, as the technology does progress, it will get to the point where calculating the vehicle's decisions based on consequntial fatalities/casualties will be factored into the equation? Don't get me wrong...I sure hope it doesn't go down that road.... but still gives me pause for concern for the more advanced generation of self-drivers.
My Hyundai Ioniq is already level 2 autonomous. It drives itself above 37MPH, you just have to keep your hands on the steering wheel though. Or if you're doing a long motorway journey, putting your knees under the wheel gave the resistance needed to fool the car into thinking you were holding the wheel. Obviously, I don't condone this behaviour, but I did it successfully. As long as you stay alert and watch the road it's safe. My car used a camera for active lane keep assist and radar cruise control to keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front.
Hi Greg, I have been watching your presentations for awhile by now. Your humour and dedication for science impressed me very much. Here is my question for you. Why do we need to sleep on pillows?
I'm getting one as soon as possible. Driving is such a cognitively boring task, steering between white lines, keeping the pace of other vehicles, speed limits. Can't wait to do something else during those drives!
I live in Gothenburg, Sweden and at my university they are testing an autonomous bus that drives around the campus which you can hop on to rest your legs while going to get lunch. It's awesome!
My other question was: what about people who like to drive? That's what I want to know: when will we be barred from driving by people who hated it and left it to the machine itself?
Well, I'm not pushing the idea on you Jan. Nevertheless, it would behoove us all to be prepared for changes to our roadways that better accommodate driverless cars while marginalizing human driven cars. We're about to see big shifts in that direction in the next 5-10 years. Fighting against societal & technological improvement is a fool's errand.
Über’s Self-Driving Tech Center is in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania not Pittsburgh, California; kinda of like like Newport, Wales vs. Newport Isle of Wight. Such sister cities are very common in the U.S. their are dozens of Pittsburghs; though Pittsburgh, PA is the original namesake. Named in honor of William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham after the Seven Years War.
Maybe when I get older like in my late 60's or 70s. Now that I passed the mid century mark I have noticed my eye are just not as cat like when it gets dark. I also think it has been the slowly dimming of the local street lights too and the color shift from the older Yellow sodium-vapor lamp street lights to the harsh blue of the LED lights. I could be more used to or tuned to driving under the Yellow sodium-vapor lamp street lights for the last 35 plus years now too. It seems the LED lights do not flood the area with light but pace as pot of light under the lamp. So when you drive it is from bright to dark to bright etc. and your eyes keep adjusting to the change in light levels. Like the F stop in a camera.
If a self driving car crashes, who's to blame? The driver/occupant? The owner? The AI/legal manufacturer? I'd say the latter, but if the manufacturer is responsible, they'd be leasing you AI usage instead of selling it to you. And if they'd lease you the AI, why would you want to own a car that's useless without leasing a part of it? You'd rather lease the entire thing. And why lease if you can just as easily hail a cab? Then the manufacturer would want to be that cab company. Long story short; the car manufacturer will also be the owner and the liable party.
My only concern about them is how secure they are against remote interactions. I don't mind letting an autonomous vehicle drive me someplace, but I want to be in absolute control of where it drives me. The system components responsible for navigation need to be physically separate from any system capable of carrying internet access.
In the future if you want to drive a car you'll have to pay premium for one, also a super expensive driver's licence and insurance, so only the rich who are driving aficionados will still be behind a steering wheel, the rest of us (happy to, in my case) will be driven around by autonomous vehicles
My question is will they account for all the human drivers left on the roads and their incompetence? You know since few people can actually afford a brand new car?
Well, google is making a public autonomous Uber like service this year. It’s supposed to be completely automated, or at least it will try in most cases.
while it might be true, that by 2025 it will be common for cars to be autonomous, I think it will be much longer for it to be standard for all the cars.
To the title ( _"When will we Drive Autonomous Cars?"_ ): NEVER! It is actually in the name Autonomous Cars ... that means fully driving themselves ... we might HAVE or OWN them but they do the driving part ...
There's also a philosophical/political element here. The car is a symbol of freedom, especially in the USA. Any human can, at their whim, get in their car and drive anywhere without anyone knowing what he/she is doing. He/she can take any route, take as long as they like, suddenly stop, change destination etc etc etc. With almost all other forms of transport (Train, Plane, Coach etc), an authority (Govt and/or company) knows exactly where & when you're starting, where you are going, what route you take, how long you take etc etc Make the car autonomous, it must have a communicating element with other authorities, and thus, you are traceable and targetable.
Norma probably - that in retrospect is a relatively new addition to the car but does show the way we're headed. At least if you have an separate car & SatNav/GPS, you can turn off or leave behind the latter
"make the car autonomous,it must have communication with other authorities..." Must it? While I don't share you admiration for the value of purely anonymous transportation, I don't see the justification in this assumption. Indeed I would agree with opposition to such information being made a required data access by the government. Certainly it will be a fight but I fight that's Seperate from autonomy itself.
i believe we should outright refuse to have a car with no manual take over option. Tech is made by humans, it can have flaws that we didn't predict, I want to be able to take over if I need to. I also hate the idea of having to call a car, what if i leave some of my stuff the car? it goes off and the next driver has my stuff - bugger that! If i want to be able to lose my stuff because i left it on the seat, i'll take a bloody train or bus.
Is there any kind of passive autonomous driving technology? For example, a car that only takes over the task of driving by slowing down in case of a possible collision.
yeah those have existed for a few years now. There are even cars that can follow the car in front, they slow when they slow, they speed up when they speed up
Yeah very. A friend of mine just got a new car it has some of those things as it can stay between the lines on the road by it self and read speed signs, it has the sensors to see the cars in front and behind but cant match the speed, it will brake if needed tho. thise are not even super high end cars this one is just and opel or vauxhall in the uk.
Daniel Ferguson , Pittsburg(h) is in California the same way London, Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow are located in Ohio, Alabama, New Hampshire and Kentucky, respectively. They did spell the California town correctly and given its proximity to San Francisco I wouldn’t be surprised to find an automated car there. Given Uber’s well publicized test in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, however, I’m surprised they didn’t identify that city on their map.
When will we Drive Autonomous Cars? Never because those will drive themselves? Lol. Well actually I really hope they will always come with a steering wheel and pedals to be able to disconnect the autonomous driving and drive myself whenever I want, with the system as an asistant.
It's easy: we'll 'drive' autonomous cars (paradox here, love!), when we agree to go in a plane that has no pilot. We know autopilots can fly planes from take-off to landing, we know most accidents are the results of human errors (bad decisions in and out of the plane) but will you step into a plane knowing it has no human flying it? I think not.
Autonomous cars have a significant advantage of autonomous planes: they're not in the air and they can get into a safe position fairly easily. If something bad or unexpected happens (or a passenger hits some big red button), an autonomous car can chose to at best move away from any overtaking lanes it's currently driving in, turn on hazard lights, slow down and bring the vehicle to a halt. Such an action would take less than a minute and hopefully cause not too much of a trouble. With planes, we're talking a different story: in case of some mild or potential issue, todays autopilots simply turn themselves off with a loud master caution warning. Of course, an autopilot in theory could set the transponder code to 7700 to alert air traffic control and divert any other planes from that airspace, select the next Airport with a auto-land-suitable runway and divert over there in a straight line. However, such an operation will take another 30 minutes or so at best and could take a few hours if that plane were crossing an ocean. So instead of executing some more crude "emergency routine" which could complete in 20 seconds, a plane's autopilot will need to keep flying for a much longer time without any major issues. And such an "emergency routine" for planes would certainly have a heavy impact on surrounding airports, flights, ATC, airlines and thousands of passengers.
The air is a very safe position as long as nothing goes really wrong and thanks to how strict we are with airline safety, things go almost never go wrong. Traffic on the other hand is incredibly dangerous and it contains a lot of big moving parts that are out of your control. You can't simply get away from a dangerous position in a car.
It's not looking good for autonomous vehicles..just a couple of the many CZcams videos on the subject some might find worth watching....."The driverless car scam" & "The terrifying truth about self-driving cars"
I have read many comments here and I understand most peoples concerns. I have been involved with computers since the mid 80s and have heard just about every disagreement that has been posted about autonomous vehicles like afraid of their car being hacked, I can refer to videos from around 5 years ago And longer that show vehicles being hacked and driven off the side of roads here is just one video there are more: czcams.com/video/AdZ8nx6nRfA/video.html So the car you are driving Now mostlikely is not as safe as the New Real Computer controlled vehicles because the computer will understand when anyone is attempting to hack in to your car and deny access the primitive computer in you car now cannot understand this. For the Philosophy questions Autonomous cars Will Not be programmed to save the driver nor the five pedestrians it will in a Micro Second calculate the best possible outcome for both not saying it will save everyone but can a human make the best choice in that stressful situation. I'm not picking on anyone I have a brother inlaw who refuses to believe that a computer could ever drive better than him of course when he has trouble with tech stuff he comes to me. Solar eruption EMPs if this happens there is Not a vihicle made in the past 50 years that will be operating EMPs kills ALL electronics so we would have Much bigger problems than worrying about our cars. The world is changing fast in the next few years it will be the world of the Jetsons so get ready now many people were afraid of change when the automobile replace the horse people still ride horses today but they don't drive their horse when they take a family vacation.
that's just plain stupidity. there's a ton of people like that. I work at a local IT shop where we fix things for people. there is a ton of information people are missing or they don't understand fully so such stupid things happen.
This man strongly reminds me of a woman who often appears on BBC Earth Unplugged videos - Maddie Moate. Can anyone tell me if they are related? I see many similarities in speech patterns, facial expressions, and gestures. Or did they just grow up in the same geographical area? Just wondering... :-)
At which point will the driver get punished for driving himself instead of relying on a superior AI in the case of an accident? Will he still be punished for not taking over in case the AI makes a mistake? I am afraid humans will become the weakest part of a machine. There is no Terminator style world war needed for the machines to take over, we'll simply collectively roll over and obey our robot overlords...
Just a little over a month ago, A self driving car killed a lady down the street from were we live. We have self driving cars all over the place. Mesa, Tempe, Chandler AZ
Manufacturers such as Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini will never do this, i also doubt bmw will do it as their customers don’t want that, which will leave autonomous cars to be bullied by cars that are driven by humans.
We already trust on analog not quite AI autopilot for aircraft, ships and cruise control for cars with assisted braking mechanisms and yet nobody complains about these replacing our own faculties at the helm of the vehicles.
Vamphaery2 NoLastName ------> Waymo by Google ....driverless car service in Phoenix open to the public ............. 2018 ...........it starts this year
brakes are hydraulic and the handbrake is mechanical so they still work. All that will happen is the engine will turn off. Im not saying someone wont get hurt or even killed im just saying its not as bad as you think it is
Brake-by-wire, steer-by-wire, electronic park brakes...these things are either already in modern vehicles, or currently being developed. One hopes they will at least have a redundant safety system, maybe to apply brakes if power is lost (rather like train carriages - loss of pressure applies the brakes so they don't run away if it becomes disconnected from the main body of the train.) Not a perfect solution, obviously - all those cars suddenly stopping in the middle of the freeway, for example - but better than having them all spear off into a hedge. Probably. :-P
Autonomous cars are destroying the car enthusiast community as well as the optimism of the younger people willing to one day be able to drive their dream car.. (like me...) So.. NO i'm never going to buy a self driving car
Once we start going autonomous in a big way, there is no way you will be able to drive on all roads since traffic lights will be a thing of the past, and the Human Factor will never be insurable, nor be able to keep up with the Autonomous cars that all talk to each other and move much faster/quicker then we do today.
no traffic lights? how about pedestrian and bicyclists? wait they dont follow the law anyway so i guess we wont need lights lol. plus have you driven behind an autonomous car? they tend to stop in the middle of moving traffic a lot and get confused during turns. they dont move very quickly lol.
They are currently slightly safer, about 20% before recent accidents like the Uber fatality in Scottsdale. These skew the numbers even closer. That’s the problem. Self driving vehicles have about 10 billion miles logged, but the number of miles driven by humans has to be astronomical. So the amount of data to make a clear safety judgement is still not there yet. There’s also the aspect of vehicle price to consider, since high end cars are generally safer than budget cars, autonomous or not. And that can skew your results unless you consider every fender bender. Most data sets fixate on collisions involving serious injury. I’m a big fan of Tesla because they are pushing the industry forward, but their claims are trumped up because they need to prove the narrative that driverless is immediately safer by a huge margin. If this were true, they would share their data with non biased third parties.
Nick Combs Once human drivers are completely removed and the cars begin to act as a swarm we'll get to places faster and also have very little accidents
Ummm...never..... they'll drive themselves 😂😂😂😂😂
I was thinking the same thing. But I was wrong.
Even though it might seem as a poorly worded question at first (to be honest, as soon as I saw the title and the thumbnail, I was thinking the same thing: never. But then...), I proceeded to go and define the words "autonomous" and "drive" with the help of one of the most popular search engines and "lo and behold" - the adjective "autonomous" is defined as "to have the freedom to act independently"; and "to drive" (verb) means "to operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle; to propel or carry along by force in a specified direction".
Since whoever is responsible for giving the instructions to the machine about where it should go to, becomes the driver, the leader. Otherwise we would be sitting in a vehicle and the fully autonomous vehicle decides on its own & improvises where we should go or not go. You wanted to roll to Chicago, IL? No. You don't even have the vehicle. Your self-driving robot with wheels has decided to roll on the coastline of Latvia. Overseas. Making its own decisions.
Maybe it's a fairly (too) linguistic approach to the title. Thoughts, opinions?
Madis Kukk 😂😂😂😂 I love that response just because it splits hairs gloriously, but when you "learn to drive" you're not necessarily learning how to decide where to drive to, you're learning how to operate a car and how to behave on the roads, and you can go for a drive without necessarily having a destination, just for the sake of going for a drive, so I would argue that an autonomous car is "driving the car" regardless of who decides where you go
Fully Autonomous Car would not need a drive however. The Semi-Autonomous ones are already being used by the public. So I agree with Jays first post ;)
Jay Blayk litrally just cluked o the video to make this comment
Jay,
Fair point! I'm glad you pointed that out on the learning side.
Meanwhile, a side-chain brain process within me was debating when these autonomous cars would become the norm, so that Saudi women wouldn't have to worry about getting their driving rights anymore - but the activists have already beaten the race: female driving in Saudi Arabia is legitimized as of September 2017 and will be implemented in late-June 2018. As a doctor, they still can't treat a male patient. But hey, at least they could now drive a dude to another doctor or tell the autonomous car to get lost with the patient.
This escalated quickly.
Never. That's why they're autonomous.
Something that seems to be forgotten quite often are people unable to drive. I see how my mom and grandma have become prisoners in their home because of this and it sucks. Public transport is also not always available or has impossible routes and schedules (add is the case here). Autonomous cars would be a HUGE change in their lifestyle. Maybe it's too late for them, but I hope that our generation can still benefit from this once we grow old and have to relinquish our driving license for whatever reason.
title is a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think?
I wonder how many people would actually want to use a driverless car. I know the only anxieties I have about driving come from other people. Riding with a computer driver would only make that worse. I think a lot of people would like other cars driven by computers, but not their own, so they might have trouble selling the technology once it's finished since it certainly won't be standard on any cars right away. Might go the way of the 3D TV.
I will never buy a driver-less car, I would never trust my life with a computer brain. Technology rarely works perfectly (at least all my life I never had one electronic thing that works without any problems, even the vacuum cleaner gives me problems) so I would never trust it. I love driving and for me it's the best thing since I suffer from motion sickness. And I'm not the only one that thinks this way, I don't know anyone that would like to own a driver-less car.
Until more than 85% of cars are fully 100% autonomous, I will not get into an autonomous car. I don't trust most people to drive for me, I'm not going to trust programmers and engineers to make a car that drives for me. I was a professional driver for at least 5 years, I have at least 300,000 miles of professional driving experience.
And how will these autonomous cars handle motorcycles? While autonomous cars seem like a short step away, there are far more challenges in making an autonomous motorcycle or convincing your average motorcycle rider to get on an autonomous motorcycle. And motorcycles in California can split lanes, how do engineers anticipate dealing with this problem?
I don't feel comfortable knowing that an autonomous car shares the same roadways as me. While you can add commands to keep a car driving within safe margins in normal traffic conditions, there will still be situations where split second options and choices will need to be made. How do you program a car to handle some of the more challenging aspects of driving?
Also what happens if you want to go somewhere that is outside of GPS range or not even on a GPS? Will a car just stop? Will it turn around and announce that it is unable to complete the route? Will it just drive in a straight line regardless of what's in front of it? What about driving a car in conditions like snow and fog where the visibility of the road can be obstructed beyond recognition?
My GPS will get me lost at least 25% of the time if I don't verify that the route I'm taking is the shortest, most direct route to my intended destination, can you reasonably expect me to put my life into someone relying on this technology to navigate my car?
There's too much doubt in my mind. A person can take contextual clues about the environment around them and use that to interpret the safest method of driving, given not many people do, especially those who possess a driver's license from the California DMV. Even if I was in a completely unfamiliar car, on an unfamiliar road I could probably navigate it safer than a vast majority of autonomous cars on the market, I could also drive it in places not connect to GPS navigation systems and still make it to my destination safely. I can also drive a car off road, on a dirt road, a road with 4 inches of snow and have a higher level of confidence than I would in a autonomous car to have the same ability as me.
There's a long way to go before I think anyone will make a fully autonomous car commercially available. Mainly because these questions I asked and many more that come with the mechanics of driving a car. The first fully autonomous car will have to be one that can drive from coast to coast without incident, without a constant wireless signal, in all conditions that their human counterparts could drive in, and on all roadways that a human piloted car of the same model could traverse on. It will have to be a car that replaces the human element better than the person getting into it to be truly successful.
There's a thought experiment commonly know as "the trolley problem" which might come into play with autonomous cars. Basically, as an example, will the cars be programmed to deliberately crash into a tree & potentially kill the passenger if it was the only way to avoid killing 2 or more pedestrians? Or will the cars always protect the passenger regardless? Such scenarios are rare but probably inevitable. I'm not sure I'd want to be the person responsible for deciding such matters.
But when would that kind of situation come into play?
It's as simple as two people stepping out in front of car down a country road (which in the UK are normally 60mph) Is it going to put me into a tree or run the two pedestrians over?
David Brown: Exactly right. These sorts of situations will happen, not often, but often enough. It's a dilemma, one that I guarantee the developers of driver-less vehicles are aware of & thinking about. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Yes, developers will have to address the problem. However, it’s not going to happen all the time, if humans have any intelligence.
True but everytime you drive you will potentially have to decide this yourself. Infanticide or suicide - the choice is yours! You have 100 milliseconds to decide.
There is one huge problem that's always bothered me about autonomous vehicles that I don't think many people have considered...or taken seriously. What if the vehicle is about to encounter an unavoidable accident, and the vehicle has only one of two decisions to make: decision one will save the vehicle's one occupant, but kill 5 pedestrians. Conversely, decision two will save the pedestrians, but kill the driver. I'm willing to bet that the computer will be programmed to make decisions that will save as many lives as possible...........yet in so doing, the driver has lost probably one of the most precious things he or she has......the right to choose self-preservation/survival. Scary thought, methinks.
lexfacitregem I doubt any current system evaluate "chance of death" or compares chances of numbers of deaths. Current systems are all "avoid impact cautiously" which is all the starting point anyone needs for driving. The rest of the rules of the road built on top of that.
I don't think it will be practical or effective to try to calculate the possible number of deaths per available action.
Kyle Davis: Yes, I totally agree with you in that given the current rudimentary state of technology involving self-driving vehicles, calculating the number of potential deaths is not only impractical, but well beyond the level of technology and A.I. intelligence that we are currently at. But don't you think that it could at least be a possibility that, as the technology does progress, it will get to the point where calculating the vehicle's decisions based on consequntial fatalities/casualties will be factored into the equation? Don't get me wrong...I sure hope it doesn't go down that road.... but still gives me pause for concern for the more advanced generation of self-drivers.
My Hyundai Ioniq is already level 2 autonomous. It drives itself above 37MPH, you just have to keep your hands on the steering wheel though. Or if you're doing a long motorway journey, putting your knees under the wheel gave the resistance needed to fool the car into thinking you were holding the wheel. Obviously, I don't condone this behaviour, but I did it successfully. As long as you stay alert and watch the road it's safe. My car used a camera for active lane keep assist and radar cruise control to keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front.
Eliminating traffic, crashes, and moronic drivers (blockers), sounds like a dream.
Hi Greg, I have been watching your presentations for awhile by now. Your humour and dedication for science impressed me very much. Here is my question for you. Why do we need to sleep on pillows?
"drive" nice one
I'm getting one as soon as possible. Driving is such a cognitively boring task, steering between white lines, keeping the pace of other vehicles, speed limits. Can't wait to do something else during those drives!
thats what that telsa driver did when he thought autopilot was full autonomous and plowed right into the side of a white truck lol
I live in Gothenburg, Sweden and at my university they are testing an autonomous bus that drives around the campus which you can hop on to rest your legs while going to get lunch. It's awesome!
My other question was: what about people who like to drive? That's what I want to know: when will we be barred from driving by people who hated it and left it to the machine itself?
That’s what sports is for.
jan simonides is it?
Well, I'm not pushing the idea on you Jan. Nevertheless, it would behoove us all to be prepared for changes to our roadways that better accommodate driverless cars while marginalizing human driven cars. We're about to see big shifts in that direction in the next 5-10 years. Fighting against societal & technological improvement is a fool's errand.
Über’s Self-Driving Tech Center is in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania not Pittsburgh, California; kinda of like like Newport, Wales vs. Newport Isle of Wight. Such sister cities are very common in the U.S. their are dozens of Pittsburghs; though Pittsburgh, PA is the original namesake. Named in honor of William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham after the Seven Years War.
Is the backdrop behind the backdrop a Bohr Model atom?
Maybe when I get older like in my late 60's or 70s. Now that I passed the mid century mark I have noticed my eye are just not as cat like when it gets dark. I also think it has been the slowly dimming of the local street lights too and the color shift from the older Yellow sodium-vapor lamp street lights to the harsh blue of the LED lights. I could be more used to or tuned to driving under the Yellow sodium-vapor lamp street lights for the last 35 plus years now too. It seems the LED lights do not flood the area with light but pace as pot of light under the lamp. So when you drive it is from bright to dark to bright etc. and your eyes keep adjusting to the change in light levels. Like the F stop in a camera.
If a self driving car crashes, who's to blame? The driver/occupant? The owner? The AI/legal manufacturer? I'd say the latter, but if the manufacturer is responsible, they'd be leasing you AI usage instead of selling it to you. And if they'd lease you the AI, why would you want to own a car that's useless without leasing a part of it? You'd rather lease the entire thing. And why lease if you can just as easily hail a cab? Then the manufacturer would want to be that cab company. Long story short; the car manufacturer will also be the owner and the liable party.
My only concern about them is how secure they are against remote interactions. I don't mind letting an autonomous vehicle drive me someplace, but I want to be in absolute control of where it drives me.
The system components responsible for navigation need to be physically separate from any system capable of carrying internet access.
Yeah i would also want a killswitch kinda thing if i had one
In the future if you want to drive a car you'll have to pay premium for one, also a super expensive driver's licence and insurance, so only the rich who are driving aficionados will still be behind a steering wheel, the rest of us (happy to, in my case) will be driven around by autonomous vehicles
This video was exactly 6:22 longer than necessary.
>driving cars that drive themselves.
Yes, sure, ok
My question is will they account for all the human drivers left on the roads and their incompetence? You know since few people can actually afford a brand new car?
Owned taxis without the human factor and lower cost and next to no traffic. I like!
Title should be, when will autonomous cars drive us
Well, google is making a public autonomous Uber like service this year.
It’s supposed to be completely automated, or at least it will try in most cases.
while it might be true, that by 2025 it will be common for cars to be autonomous, I think it will be much longer for it to be standard for all the cars.
To the title ( _"When will we Drive Autonomous Cars?"_ ): NEVER! It is actually in the name Autonomous Cars ... that means fully driving themselves ... we might HAVE or OWN them but they do the driving part ...
I would trust a self driving car today more than I trust other drivers, and I still gets into a taxi.
There's also a philosophical/political element here. The car is a symbol of freedom, especially in the USA. Any human can, at their whim, get in their car and drive anywhere without anyone knowing what he/she is doing. He/she can take any route, take as long as they like, suddenly stop, change destination etc etc etc.
With almost all other forms of transport (Train, Plane, Coach etc), an authority (Govt and/or company) knows exactly where & when you're starting, where you are going, what route you take, how long you take etc etc
Make the car autonomous, it must have a communicating element with other authorities, and thus, you are traceable and targetable.
What about the navigator in your car? Can that be traced? Just curious.
Norma
probably - that in retrospect is a relatively new addition to the car but does show the way we're headed. At least if you have an separate car & SatNav/GPS, you can turn off or leave behind the latter
"make the car autonomous,it must have communication with other authorities..."
Must it? While I don't share you admiration for the value of purely anonymous transportation, I don't see the justification in this assumption. Indeed I would agree with opposition to such information being made a required data access by the government. Certainly it will be a fight but I fight that's Seperate from autonomy itself.
Without watching it the answer is: never. They will drive on their own.
"When will autonomous card drive us?"
There are autonomous cars available now. They are called taxi. Set destination. Taxi will come and and then driver will take you wherever you want. 😒😓
i believe we should outright refuse to have a car with no manual take over option. Tech is made by humans, it can have flaws that we didn't predict, I want to be able to take over if I need to. I also hate the idea of having to call a car, what if i leave some of my stuff the car? it goes off and the next driver has my stuff - bugger that! If i want to be able to lose my stuff because i left it on the seat, i'll take a bloody train or bus.
Ride*
Self-Driving cars? I don’t think so. It’ll be too safe. What about drifting? 😆
Well you can drift in controlled environment as much as you want.
Driverless Uber! That’s perfect! I don’t even have to own the thing! Hurry up, future!
Is there any kind of passive autonomous driving technology? For example, a car that only takes over the task of driving by slowing down in case of a possible collision.
I think that would be the way to go in the short-term
yeah those have existed for a few years now. There are even cars that can follow the car in front, they slow when they slow, they speed up when they speed up
Wow! thats cool!!
Yeah very. A friend of mine just got a new car it has some of those things as it can stay between the lines on the road by it self and read speed signs, it has the sensors to see the cars in front and behind but cant match the speed, it will brake if needed tho. thise are not even super high end cars this one is just and opel or vauxhall in the uk.
Well the answer to the question in the title of the video is never because the point of autonomous cars is that we don't drive them^^
We don't drive autonomous cars. They drive us. Come on BBC this is your scientific channel. You are suppose to be smart.
Never!!! You never seen terminator enough said.
Press Shift to autodrive to waypoint.
I didn't know Pittsburgh was in California
Daniel Ferguson , Pittsburg(h) is in California the same way London, Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow are located in Ohio, Alabama, New Hampshire and Kentucky, respectively.
They did spell the California town correctly and given its proximity to San Francisco I wouldn’t be surprised to find an automated car there.
Given Uber’s well publicized test in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, however, I’m surprised they didn’t identify that city on their map.
How about roads that do not exist?
We won't. Ever. By definition. Duh...
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When will we Drive Autonomous Cars? Never because those will drive themselves? Lol. Well actually I really hope they will always come with a steering wheel and pedals to be able to disconnect the autonomous driving and drive myself whenever I want, with the system as an asistant.
Um, Pittsburgh isn’t in California. It’s on the east coast. Hope you guys aren’t making your own nav system. Lol.
really? i know im the 156th person to say this but, nobody will ever drive autonomous cars, they drive themselves.
It's easy: we'll 'drive' autonomous cars (paradox here, love!), when we agree to go in a plane that has no pilot. We know autopilots can fly planes from take-off to landing, we know most accidents are the results of human errors (bad decisions in and out of the plane) but will you step into a plane knowing it has no human flying it? I think not.
God dammit, you changed your entire comment after I had loaded it, now my reply is pointless.
Autonomous cars have a significant advantage of autonomous planes: they're not in the air and they can get into a safe position fairly easily. If something bad or unexpected happens (or a passenger hits some big red button), an autonomous car can chose to at best move away from any overtaking lanes it's currently driving in, turn on hazard lights, slow down and bring the vehicle to a halt. Such an action would take less than a minute and hopefully cause not too much of a trouble.
With planes, we're talking a different story: in case of some mild or potential issue, todays autopilots simply turn themselves off with a loud master caution warning. Of course, an autopilot in theory could set the transponder code to 7700 to alert air traffic control and divert any other planes from that airspace, select the next Airport with a auto-land-suitable runway and divert over there in a straight line. However, such an operation will take another 30 minutes or so at best and could take a few hours if that plane were crossing an ocean. So instead of executing some more crude "emergency routine" which could complete in 20 seconds, a plane's autopilot will need to keep flying for a much longer time without any major issues. And such an "emergency routine" for planes would certainly have a heavy impact on surrounding airports, flights, ATC, airlines and thousands of passengers.
The air is a very safe position as long as nothing goes really wrong and thanks to how strict we are with airline safety, things go almost never go wrong. Traffic on the other hand is incredibly dangerous and it contains a lot of big moving parts that are out of your control. You can't simply get away from a dangerous position in a car.
I can’t wait.
It's not looking good for autonomous vehicles..just a couple of the many CZcams videos on the subject some might find worth watching....."The driverless car scam" & "The terrifying truth about self-driving cars"
I have read many comments here and I understand most peoples concerns. I have been involved with computers since the mid 80s and have heard just about every disagreement that has been posted about autonomous vehicles like afraid of their car being hacked, I can refer to videos from around 5 years ago And longer that show vehicles being hacked and driven off the side of roads here is just one video there are more: czcams.com/video/AdZ8nx6nRfA/video.html So the car you are driving Now mostlikely is not as safe as the New Real Computer controlled vehicles because the computer will understand when anyone is attempting to hack in to your car and deny access the primitive computer in you car now cannot understand this. For the Philosophy questions Autonomous cars Will Not be programmed to save the driver nor the five pedestrians it will in a Micro Second calculate the best possible outcome for both not saying it will save everyone but can a human make the best choice in that stressful situation. I'm not picking on anyone I have a brother inlaw who refuses to believe that a computer could ever drive better than him of course when he has trouble with tech stuff he comes to me. Solar eruption EMPs if this happens there is Not a vihicle made in the past 50 years that will be operating EMPs kills ALL electronics so we would have Much bigger problems than worrying about our cars. The world is changing fast in the next few years it will be the world of the Jetsons so get ready now many people were afraid of change when the automobile replace the horse people still ride horses today but they don't drive their horse when they take a family vacation.
Waymo by Google .......driverless car service in Phoenix open to the public ............. *2018*
that's just plain stupidity. there's a ton of people like that. I work at a local IT shop where we fix things for people. there is a ton of information people are missing or they don't understand fully so such stupid things happen.
This man strongly reminds me of a woman who often appears on BBC Earth Unplugged videos - Maddie Moate. Can anyone tell me if they are related? I see many similarities in speech patterns, facial expressions, and gestures. Or did they just grow up in the same geographical area? Just wondering... :-)
Yes they're related. They are married.
DONT EVER! loss of jobs! loss of income for society!
At which point will the driver get punished for driving himself instead of relying on a superior AI in the case of an accident? Will he still be punished for not taking over in case the AI makes a mistake? I am afraid humans will become the weakest part of a machine. There is no Terminator style world war needed for the machines to take over, we'll simply collectively roll over and obey our robot overlords...
We won’t. Period.
No.
All I need is a pair of eyes and ears. Visible and audible spectrum and I'm good to go on a car ride! Beat this stupid AI!
There isn’t any paradox: as soon as driverless cars have less than 1.2 million accidents a year, they are the better option
Just a little over a month ago, A self driving car killed a lady down the street from were we live. We have self driving cars all over the place. Mesa, Tempe, Chandler AZ
Manufacturers such as Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini will never do this, i also doubt bmw will do it as their customers don’t want that, which will leave autonomous cars to be bullied by cars that are driven by humans.
Thou shall not be jealous of their AI neighbor because of His/Her own incompetence.
And that's when government will ban manual cars in some parts of the city or even whole cities.
SketOG maybe, but would u really trust autonomous cars
We already trust on analog not quite AI autopilot for aircraft, ships and cruise control for cars with assisted braking mechanisms and yet nobody complains about these replacing our own faculties at the helm of the vehicles.
Vamphaery2 NoLastName ------> Waymo by Google ....driverless car service in Phoenix open to the public ............. 2018
...........it starts this year
Technically we won't ever drive them.
Will we really be driving them?
You will be driven in them.
We would be riding not driving. Stupid title
What if everyone had an autonomous car and then booooom a solar eruption happens all the electrical grid goes down and electronics fry what then .
all cars made after the year 2000 would be affected by that tho
Thunderjunk Mcbuttram what about the running cars in that moment people will die
brakes are hydraulic and the handbrake is mechanical so they still work. All that will happen is the engine will turn off. Im not saying someone wont get hurt or even killed im just saying its not as bad as you think it is
Brake-by-wire, steer-by-wire, electronic park brakes...these things are either already in modern vehicles, or currently being developed. One hopes they will at least have a redundant safety system, maybe to apply brakes if power is lost (rather like train carriages - loss of pressure applies the brakes so they don't run away if it becomes disconnected from the main body of the train.) Not a perfect solution, obviously - all those cars suddenly stopping in the middle of the freeway, for example - but better than having them all spear off into a hedge. Probably. :-P
aussiebloke609 you work in a train or what ? No offence
There is a small problem with the autonomous car in 00:29... IT'S ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD!
Pun intended: as the car is most likely driving in the UK, it is driving on the right side of the road.
Hope it never happens in my lifetime
Autonomous cars are destroying the car enthusiast community as well as the optimism of the younger people willing to one day be able to drive their dream car.. (like me...) So.. NO i'm never going to buy a self driving car
Once we start going autonomous in a big way, there is no way you will be able to drive on all roads since traffic lights will be a thing of the past, and the Human Factor will never be insurable, nor be able to keep up with the Autonomous cars that all talk to each other and move much faster/quicker then we do today.
no traffic lights? how about pedestrian and bicyclists? wait they dont follow the law anyway so i guess we wont need lights lol. plus have you driven behind an autonomous car? they tend to stop in the middle of moving traffic a lot and get confused during turns. they dont move very quickly lol.
NOPE.
I hope never
When stupid people go extinct
just like tesla guinea pigs who believe elon musk is a god and trust autopilot with their lives lol
When will they be safe? The second they become safer than humans. Plus with more of these cars comes less human drivers and with that less errors.
They're already way safer than human controlled cars I think it's more a matter of cost before widespread adoption
dnbmania Yes, that was my point.
Domen Bremec good point
They are currently slightly safer, about 20% before recent accidents like the Uber fatality in Scottsdale. These skew the numbers even closer. That’s the problem. Self driving vehicles have about 10 billion miles logged, but the number of miles driven by humans has to be astronomical. So the amount of data to make a clear safety judgement is still not there yet. There’s also the aspect of vehicle price to consider, since high end cars are generally safer than budget cars, autonomous or not. And that can skew your results unless you consider every fender bender. Most data sets fixate on collisions involving serious injury. I’m a big fan of Tesla because they are pushing the industry forward, but their claims are trumped up because they need to prove the narrative that driverless is immediately safer by a huge margin. If this were true, they would share their data with non biased third parties.
Nick Combs Once human drivers are completely removed and the cars begin to act as a swarm we'll get to places faster and also have very little accidents