Don't Feel Bad About Using Summons In Elden Ring's DLC!
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- There's been a lot of people getting really fussing regarding people using Spirit Asses in Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree, and it's getting beyond annoying. As someone who enjoys the game and the community, I figured it was time to lay down my thoughts on this subject. #eldenring #shadowoftheerdtree
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Are you as tired of people putting you or other players down because they use spirit ashes? Sound off!
Yes. Even Miyazaki said he uses spirit ashes. They are their for a reason. Some of these bosses give you barely any time to hit them so having a spirit ash to help you is a godsend.
There's like over a hundred of them now with the DLC and you're telling me we're not supposed to use them? There's hundreds of spells and we're not supposed to use magic or incantations either. It's been this way since the beginning though. A pretty good percentage of the souls community is very welcoming and fun, but there's this chunk that can be the most toxic in all of gaming.
@@grogueQIve noticed this across many different gaming communities. It's honestly getting tiresome and needs to be addressed as a whole. A very very loud minority of toxic gamers is bouncing from popular game to popular game, driving engagement down and pushing players from the game. D2, Helldivers2, WarFrame, and this game. I didnt deal with any of this when I was playing BB or any of the Dark Souls titles. Nobody called me a scrubb or trash, because of my perfect lost chikage or Lost HMLS, Or for using Dark Bead to cheese bosses for people.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper I think the best way to curb that would be for people to just stop listening to them. Ignoring them and remembering they are not people to be taken seriously nor serious people you can have a conversation with. As they in truth aren't gamers. They are trolls. People who choose to be horrible to others on a daily basis. Who use gaming as a tool to fill their sadism quota and to boss other people around in malicious and arrogant ways.
@@TheOuterhaven using what you want is more than okay, the issue people have with this kind of playstyle is that a good portion of people who use whatever makes the game easiest tout off about how good they are and how easy everything was and how everyone else is just bad if they struggled at all. Not everyone who plays like that is like that, bit a good portion.
Any time anyone dared breathe a word about the frequency of invasions maybe being a little high, people went: "It's part of the game, quit complaining, if you don't like it, play Stardew Valley".
But when it comes to spirit ashes, the same people are so adamant and sure that no, the game isn't designed to play with spirit ashes, if you use spirit ashes, you're not playing like it supposed to be played, even if you point out that like invasions "it's part of the game."
The game has quests tied to summoning npc's. They really emphasise this mechanic in the DLC. It's designed to used, so I'm gonna use it.
I just wish it had proper seamless co-op. The game is so much fun I wonna play it with a friend or 2 without the silly restrictions.
Aww, man, you used a weapon to beat the boss? I watch boss fights on CZcams to see people fight with their bare hands at level one, anything else is newbie BS.
aww man. you used your barefists on ng+7 rune level one? i hooked up my neurolink to my ps5 while in a coma on life support and beat the final boss of the dlc. anything else is newbie BS
If you need ashes to beat the game, then use ashes. Not a big deal.
I don't "need" to use them I want to use them. Why? Because it's a time saver. Dying to the same boss over and over is both a waste of my time, and it's not fun to me. I'm gonna use every tool the game gives me to gain an advantage.
@@81stCommanderI understand that, but you just feel so much better knowing you did it by yourself
@@schwifty8731 I feel better knowing I didn't waste hours/days of my life fighting a single boss with silly arbitrary limits on myself when I can do it in 5 mins mins using all the tools the devs intended for me to use.
Elden Ring isn't Dark Souls, you can see that in how the bosses are much more aggressive in ER compared to DS. That's because they are designed with Spirit Ashes/summons in mind.
I look at it like this--If boss is fun like Rellana, I try to learn it and beat it with just skill alone, and it can take many days to do so. If it becomes like the golden hippopotamus and I just get immediately eaten, I'll use any means necessary to say screw it.
I felt really bad about killing Rykard with a summon I knew I could of easily done it by myself
Only the souls elitists would consider learning how the game mechanics work and using them 'not playing the game.'
The second i found the backhand blades i immediately switched over. The damage wasn't the best though so i added bleed (15 arcane). Nobody has a valid boss run unless they also do exactly 450 damage a hit and only get 2k on a bleed proc with backhand blades. Radahn has been a real fun time and definitely isn't 5 to 10 minutes to kill. Use wtf you want who cares, all the big streamers and journalists did 2k a hit, the creator uses summons ffs, its a video game.
Golden vow and buffs are way more OP than a summon
How about both?
@@ThickRedPaste😈😈😈
All that buffing gets annoying. I only use physic and crabs. The game is too easy as it is imo.
@@JohnnyBrooksTube that's what i do. i have 700 crab, physik, and all defense talismans. i'm a tank without even trying. game is still hard, though its nice to stay alive long enough to learn a moveset instead of dying in two hits
@@slopyardjoe They don't chant "offense" at sporting events. I play a lot of co-op and see these seppuku shabriri howlers with ten buffs get smashed because they don't have enough vigor and DEFENSE. But that's what some content creators are pushing because one hits are coooool. As for me I never use magic or incants. Melee only. Have a good one!
Everybody thinks that what they love about a game is what everybody else should love about it. I personally don't love souls games for the difficulty, I've always done everything I could to cheese. What I enjoy about souls games is figuring out the best way to cheese. That doesn't mean I love them less than you.
Basically, fandom purity culture really sucks. The idea there is only one true way to play something or interpret something needs to go away. People trying to police each other's fun is just really daft behavior. The only time cheese really crosses the line in my opinion is when it mucks with multiplayer/pvp to an inexcusable level, as then it's directly taking away from someone else's fun to give to someone else.
I basically had to re-spec and. Add more to health. Also level up. I am on NG+3 and i use everything I’ve gathered on 3 play throughs! It’s like Pokémon. No one weapon, will beat everyone and everything. Some enemies are immune and your main weapon will not be as effective.
Miyazaki himself has says he has used spirit ashes during a eurogamer interview so that's all the justification folk need to use them
Exactly. Imagine getting mad because you use Torrent😂 its in the game, its meant to be used in your build.
People are getting mad when I use torrent
They say something like "piracy is crime" and "you wouldn't steal a car" ))))
@@user-gt9br5ey2t I can still hear that sick ass riff from that advert. Great times
There’s some misinformation here. For one thing “get gud” was never supposed to be a toxic phrase. People would actually say it to motivate people, as in anyone can get good at these games. Also, I don’t think most people really complain about people using spirit ashes, in fact most people in the souls community believe in beating the games however people want too. However one major complaint about the DLC has been that it seems very much balanced around Spirit ashes, which has ruined it for the people who don’t like to use them.
So far using ashes has made the game enjoyable versus online multi-player. I find a lot of ppls online dps is supper low and seems more they just come in to try and milk free runes as you don't lose any on summon deaths....feels like everyone's just trying to rush it so for me multiplayers not fun so I'll have fun with the spirits 😅 definitely ppl need to read the manga might make them enjoy the game more.
the spirit ashes are so much better than normal AI fighter
I hope more games will have some kind of game mechanics like spirit ashes in the future
r.i.p. jordan's sanity. pray for this man 🙏
While I'm sure people are putting down other people for their use of spirit ashes the reality of the situation is either they're fucking with you or they're just stupid, most bosses in this game suck and it's been all but overtly stated by the devs that you're meant to rely on gimmicky shit to get over on the bosses. Take for example the Purifying Crystal Tear that exists as a crutch for a single boss, or the broken ass weapons such as the Reduvia, with an ash of war that I can proc bleed with instantaneously and, after a single run, can get to +10 in under an hour thirty like everybody else who's played the game or has Google. Enemies will walk into Night Comet repeatedly because it's invisible to all NPCs; I never use spirit ashes, my brother doesn't either, but he traded with every single boss in the game excessively while doing a few thousand damage with the Guts sword, and one of my favorite things to do on a faith build is stagger enemies endlessly with the Cipher Pata and Coded Sword. You can parry most bosses and shit on their head. Basically the game just sucks and if you're getting trolled by online people who're whining about how you should play the game the fact of the matter is they cheese the bosses like everybody else, because the game sucks, the bosses suck, and cheesing them is fun for that reason in specific. It's like Borderlands without all the talking.
Its a game. Have fun. Play how you want. People are dorks
this goes for the devs too. in almost every game ur forced to use OP things to beat games. it will forever be like "oh this weapon is better than this weapon and this armor is better than this armor" its not how we want it. its always pick metah or lose. im limited to 4 talismans that r mad boring to play with same with armors that look like shit. lies of P changed that all for real for real.
I always saw "git gud" as kind of a rallying cry telling new players to lock in. I accept that that can be seen as toxic and it's definitely been phased out in recent years. The people complaining about using in game mechanics like summons and spirit ashes are the same folks who actually had malice when they said "git gud" from the previous era. They are a loud minority in my experience. Not using all the mechanics in the game makes it a challenge run. If its your first time playing these kind of games, I think its unrealistic to always expect to get by without using everything you've got. It breeds frustration if you're actually having difficulty getting through
I always saw it that way. You gotta become shredded meat before becoming beef cake
Strength builds op
Bro I hate when people complain about the spirit ash system, hell I hate when people complain about the basic summoning system. It's in the game for a reason. Spirit ashes can't healing unless it's a separate consumable than the estus system. Summoning doubles the boss health. The game has ways to balance between the game and summoning. Especially in elden rings case, the bosses are tuned for them with their constant AOE moves to hit all around multiple times.
I've beaten every boss solo in the souls series, but calling spirit ashes cheating is asinine. OK, we'll using healing is cheating since the boss can't heal. Using bleed, frost, throwables, and stagger jump attacks is cheating as well by that logic. Be a real souls player then and use nothing but your fists or a broken straight sword at RL1 and no armor. Play the game as Miyazaki, the man who says he uses spirit summons, intended. What nonsense from egotistical basement dwellers. Sorry that beating a game without a mechanic is their only achievement to brag about smh
Elden Ring Chad here - Play how you want, I’ll be invading you either way
I'll be waiting for you ;)
People when you don't have 99 strength and only use the stupid guts sword and use other weapons that the devs have spent 100 hours of programing on and spirit ashes that are the core gaming mechanic: 🤯😨😰😥😥😢🤬🤬🤬😱
I'm one of those who dislike spirits. I believe, if you split the agrro of the boss, you don't see the actual boss, coz they can't adequately process two targets... But i can't understand why people complain about them being in the game, or players use them. It's something VAST majority of people does in previous games, they just can do it offline now :)
This is kinda how this games was designed. Casual players never actually engage with dueling a boss, they usually coop through the game. And experienced players help them, or invade them.
If EVERYONE would be super duper MLG player, there wouldn't be need in coop, and any invasion would be just gank squad every single time.
I started out with Dark Souls 2... The controls were straight-up ass. I had more fun playing the original Resident Evil in melee... Sluggish, crappy, tanky (in the sense that you have to move like a tank, with the aiming and movement being separate) controls.
I'm 46... I don't have all day to figure out a different control scheme for each game. I've been playing since the original Atari, so I'm a 40 year Veteran of gaming... If a game sucks, it sucks. I don't have to apologize to anyone... I had no hand in it's creation, so I accept none of the blame for the final product.
"Gatekeeping"... Eesh. Here's the deal with that term: People that use it often aren't even fans.
They're consumers of "Pop-Culture', not Nerds, who experienced the dark side of being non-conformists during the 70's and 80's (once Image came around, things changed), with girls not even treating them like they were men, dudes would beat you up in the bathrooms, swirlies, etc, nevermind the slurs that came your way for no reason.
Gatekeeping is when true fans (Y'know, the people who fianancially supported it for decades to the extent that people eventually decided to really invest in films and games?) stand up to normies and remind them why the quality they expect as the norm was established, to begin with.
They don't get to tell us how a game should be played, because they suck at it... They want Easy settings? Cool... Real Gamers don't have a problem with challenge being a key component in gaming... Losers do, though.
If that's what you want out of a game, Tetherball is free... All you need is a string, volleyball and a pole. Have at it... Just stop running your mouth regarding things you know nothing about and let us have some fun bludgeoning a Troll with a Maul in Elden Ring, for Christ's sake.
I just think 1/2 remembrance boss might be nice without summons
I personaly use barely mixed physic
I was trying to beat twin moon knight for few hours with no luck then I spawned in mimic tear and we steamerolled the boss so much that I just let him kill me because it just wasnt fear and after some time I killed him and it fellt better than beating malenia
If you yourself don’t see it as a problem, then why are we still talking about it. If you feel like you’ve overcome the same challenge with summons, spirit ashes, „broken“ builds, then why does everyone feel the need to defend it…
What are you even talking about?
the statement that spirit ashes don't make the game any easier is objectively factually false, that being said, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR MICHAEL ZAKI put them in the game for a reason and it means absolutely nothing if you do or don't use them. HAVE FUN, IT IS A VIDEO GAME, the sole purpose is to be entertained and enjoy yourself.
Solid vid. Hard to believe these Tryhards still try gatekeeping.
Obviously there's nothing wrong with what you use, play how you want. However, if what you're using turns whatever challenge you're up against into a cakewalk, you don't get to say whatever it was was easy and that everyone else sucks.
That's the issue people have with summons, bleed builds etc. They make the game easier, which is fine, but its to a degree that removes the vast majority of challenge and interactivity. The problem being that there are people out there who do this and pretend theyre gods among mortals in the community just because everyone else decided they wanted actual challenge.
Waaaaaa.... waaaaaaaaah
You don't have to use the good stuff. People take different things away when playing. If you want to cry about other people's builds without trying them for yourself, then cry away. But don't expect anyone to respect your opinion.
@@ThickRedPaste your lack of opinion makes whatever you say inherently less respectable, especially if you resort to calling a diffetence of opinions "crying" like a childish moron. Git gud
This makes no sense. If people use mechanics that make the game easier then yes they can flex it because easy. Because they played it right
@@elitedonut1089 choosing the easy path removes any right you have to brag about topping a challenge that you choose to remove entirely. Heating a frozen pizza doesnt make you a cook.
worst example of elitists are in streams. its annoying
The souls community take themselves way too seriously, like I’ve never seen people so consumed and obsessed with the way another person plays the game. I thought the fighting game community was shit, but with the elitism and gate keeping and belittling of people who don’t play a certain way, the souls community takes the cake as the most shit community I’ve ever seen. 😂 at the end of the day it’s a video game and nothing more. You paid $59.99 to play the game how you want, not how they want or expect you to play.
If the last few years has taught us anything, it's that you should gatekeep your hobbies. I have no sympathy for those whining the game is too hard. Elden Ring is the easiest fromsoft game to date by miles. If you can't complete things, it is a you problem. Not the game and hopefully they never bend to this crowd. Its popularity brings in tourists and others on the hype train and I don't need their crying affecting future releases. I will relentlessly clown people that don't understand the game and cry about it. Call us toxic all you want. I've watched too many properties and titles I enjoyed go to shit.
i dont have a problem with spirit ashes but mimic tear should have never be in the game and from soft fucked it up. you know when you summon help (a human or npc) the boss scaling goes up but spirit ashes dont increase the scaling of the boss and that makes mimic super op and cheap. bleed and one shot builds are the same bs but thats more a flaw of the overall availability of information on youtube and the bad balance. youtube get spammed with "ONE SHOT OP BROKEN SUPER BUILDS" and every clown who struggles a bit tries to copy that shit
Why the hell do you care what someone does in their own game?
Lol Here we go..😅
Waaaa.... waaaaaah
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper because it could influence future from soft titles in a bad way.
This subject is so tired.
First off, I refuse to believe the casual community is really that up in arms about Soulsborne purists telling them that spirit summons are cheating for the 1000th time, we already went through this two years ago, so this is just shameless drama farming for likes and attention, so at least be honest about why you're doing the video, you can beat a dead horse for easy views and likes, but don't sit here and really pretend like a couple Soulsborne purists online saying spirit ashes are cheating is really impacting you in any conceivable way, least of which because this has been the community stance all the way back to DS1 when it was concluded that summoning co-op was cheating, so fi you're somehow shocked about it now, I don't know what to tell you.
The only reason this is getting more attention in Elden Ring, is because you can literally summon help on your own, without needing online co-op, so with the ease of making a boss fight a 2v1 or even 3v1 or 4v1 since you can summon two cooperators, a lot of bosses can be bum rushed, particularly with a strong, tanky summon. Hell there's videos now of people beating the last boss of the DLC with just a Tank summon that they kept healing.
So speaking as a soulsborne "purist" I guess, I would say two things can be true at the same time.
One, I don't care how other people play the game, if they had fun, good for them. It doesn't affect my playthrough in the slightest.
Two, yes I get to still think anyone who used summons, impenetrable thorns, or sat behind the fingerprint greatshield and poked Radahn to death with a rapier or spear while ignoring every mechanic, didn't actually beat the boss. If my personal opinion and the personal opinion of the soulsborne purists rustles your jimmies so much then just ignore it. Welcome to the internet, mute buttons are free.
I basically had to re-spec and. Add more to health. Also level up. I am on NG+3 and i use everything I’ve gathered on 3 play throughs! It’s like Pokémon. No one weapon, will beat everyone and everything. Some enemies are immune and your main weapon will not be as effective.