After watching this story I called Disney Plus (I am a subscriber) and talked to a human being who looked it up and said he had no idea why the film was pulled from the service and isn't even available as a pay per view. Another version of this story is that Disney pulled a lot of content to avoid paying residuals to actors whenever it was shown.
They're not allowed to say and probably don't know. It was probably 86ed for the subtext then became a tax write-off. It won't see a legit release again.
Is Disney going into trimming the budget mode? I heard Disney hasn't done well on some of its ventures. There are also other factors that may cause them to look for cost savings.
Power to the unions! It is interesting that Disney would rather lose money at the movie box office than give the unionists a pay rise (etc). But that's what corporations do!
@@terrytalksmovies- yeah, Iger's shown himself to be a real dick upon coming back to head Disney. Now he's trying to pretend he was just "misunderstood" and of COURSE he supports WGA and SAG-AFTRA...! 🤨
I saw this a while back before it was removed and really enjoyed it. It was really well realized production wise, and some nice young actors. The whole life in a “company town” thing is dystopian but has historic relevance.
Hmmm.... "Pollyluna?" Plus, "...shame Disney...?" Isn't that an oxymoron? My middle sister, when she was going to graduate from the Kansas City Art Institute was considering going to work for Disney in the Art department. After talking to a few people that worked for Disney, she changed her mind and ended up at Hallmark. According to her, she did not hear a single good report about working for "the Mouse Empire." Good anything can be 'sourced' from previous works. My favourite theme about that is; "If you are going to steal ideas, steal from the best." For this film, which I guess I shall have to go a reaving to acquire, I would consider as ancestors: "Moon" with Sam Rockwell, "Metropolis" by Lang, the Heinlein Juveniles, and, oddly enough, "City" by Simak. Stay safe!
Thanks for the recommendation of this film. It’s been released for sale on iTunes here in Australia in the last week or so in 4K for just $14.99 so unfortunately given Disney’s not releasing anymore physical media here this is the only way to own a legitimate copy of the movie.
I'm not convinced that Disney cares about its audience. It cares about monetizing its audience. The last Indiana Jones movie is going to cost us a bundle. Sally likes them, so I'll be putting away the pennies to buy it via Amazon or eBay. I always disliked Disney and now have more reason to.
Terry, I don't know if you have seen this or can access it but, our (US) PBS has a program called American Experience. They did a 2-part series on Walt Disney. The end of episode one and a good part of episode 2 was Disney's struggle against unionizing at Disney. It is a great series highly recommended, and it paints Walt Disney as a real jerk (I could have used another word) and rightly so. If you get a chance, I think you would enjoy the series.
This is called American Experience: Walt Disney. It is his life story from birth to death. There is a story where one of the head illustrators helps a woman that colors the cells. The next day he went into his office and Disney took his furniture away because if he was helping color cells - those people don't get fancy furniture. He also went to congress and named names.@@terrytalksmovies
Also, Kevin Perjurer's DEFUNCTLAND CZcams series has done a number of episodes on Disney, how badly he reacted to his animators striking (and the grudge he held about it for the rest of his life!), and how that changed his priorities from animation to live-action shows, theme parks, futurism and television.
Thank you so much for that, Terry. I have a friend who is incredibly good at being able to find obscure, hidden, and niche movies, and often finds them in weird places - he found a lovely copy of 'The Man Who Laughs' for me, many years ago - it was hidden within a load of Dutch porn, incredibly. I've got to ask him about 'Crater'. And I'm very impressed with the 'Hugo' Award idea. I really dislike everything that Disney stands for - the greed, the twee sensibilities of an awful lot of their movies, how totally and utterly creatively bankrupt they have become, and worst of all, their habit of taking over beloved (and generally rival to Disney) franchises, and running them into the ground. Despicable company. Sorry, Terry, I rather went off on one there. 😅😅😅
@@terrytalksmovies I think there is a version (restored) on 'daily motion' really good film watched this during one of the lock downs during the covid-19 out break.
Maybe they had more stones back in the day. The only movie I can think of close to this animosity is the original "Rollerball" setting up the conflict between the gladiatorial rollerball athletes and corporations who are the owners and rule sections of the U.S.. That science fiction classic is still enjoyed today.
I agree! Similarity, Disney bought Star Wars, an anti-corporate IP, and now has no idea how to tell a story in its universe. "Maybe the empire isn't so bad" is the best they can give up with
The handling of this movie was indeed curious. It's been made available since Sept 26 on several streaming sources. But I was made aware that the story seemed to have a oddly close resemblance to a story called Growing Up Weightless by John M Ford. I hadn't read it, but the description does seem to have some very close parallels. I haven't been able to find any official attribution from Disney, so I was curious if there may have been some kind of legal threat/ironing out that kept the movie off the market for those several months.
Heard the news of a list of content being removed from Disney Plus allegedly for tax returns and didn't question the motive to be purely (though cruelly) financial. But you make an interesting case for Crater potentially having a more complex motive behind it's removal. Enjoyed the video and the food for thought, don't mind me hitting that subscribe button.
I think we are seeing a clear downside to streaming (another one :-) ) which is the economic circus surrounding it all. If something is not a runaway hit, then it is sometimes financially beneficial for the company to simply scrap the content. This is due in part to the way we pay for streaming and that there is no income directly connected to a film or series on streaming. If it has not been released that can cancel and deduct the losses from taxes. But it this case it might be that they are avoiding licensing fees in connection with it. They alse removed the Willow series and it seems a new trend, that I predict will continue. For us consumers it is actually a little stressful that stuff can just dissappear and I can only imagine what it must be like for the creatives that made the movie or series - that sometimes is not even given the chance to appear before a public! So needless to say I intensely dislike these practices 😞
I was never a fan of Willow but many people liked it. That's why I'm so big on physical media. Once you have it, the studios can't change or cancel it.
I was introduced to science fiction by reading Heinlein's book Have Space Suit Will Travel. I read that book untill the cover fell off and that"s why to this day I love science fiction. Love what you do
I spotted this one. I'm a bit old, but it was pretty well done. It kind of reminded me of the 80s tv movie "Plymouth," which also had its moments. Including a cameo from a real Apollo moonwalker - Pete Conrad. Re the O2 cylinder game, I've read about bored oil rig workers doing something similar at sea. Sounded horrendously dangerous. Cheers
I do like classic juvenile SF books. Islands in the Sky by Arthur C Clarke is quite cool and would make a good steaming movie. Part of the book involves a movie company trying to shoot a movie in space.
Okay, I did manage to get to see Crater. The so-called pro-union bit at the end is pretty thin as it is just a message saying that things are much better in the mines, where they still work! I'm wondering if the film was pulled over complaints about how dark the ending is. The main character wakes up to find that 75 years have passed and he is on that other planet AND ALL OF HIS FRIENDS ARE DEAD! This is exactly what he was afraid of and said so at the beginning of the story. He has some recordings his friends sent him when he was in hypersleep, but that's all that remains of them. It is nice that he finds the 10 year old brother of the girl he knew on the Moon, but basically the ending is a big WTF! The whole film is very upbeat until the ending where it takes that big left turn. And a fun time is not had by all.
I Wondered what happened to this movie. It looked kinda like The Goonies in space. Your analysis is probably spot on. Subversive ideas rarely find their way into corporate media.
Meant to watch it but was too late I guess. Sounds like it had elements of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress in it. Disney definitely didn't want it weaponized against them by the union! I remember going to Disney world on a family vacation. We were riding the monorail and an employee (I think she worked in a gift shop) got on. Another passenger said that it must be great to work here because you can ride the monorail all the time. The employee chuckled and said that Disney charges employees to use the monorail. Just like the Moon TANSTAAFL!😛
I don’t think it was anticapitalism per se (if it were, it simply would never have been made in the first place). I’m Southern, and lived in Appalachia for a number of years, and instantly recognized the setup as very very very similar to the way West Virginia coal miners lived in the 19th and early 20th centuries. It was just an ugly, *evil* work environment where you were effectively a serf who couldn’t live without amassing debts to the company, and could not leave until they’d paid off those debts, which most people could never do. (This system is basically illegal now, and was largely broken by unionization) I’m not saying that’s the only way the film can be read, just that it’s the way I read it based on my experiences. That said, I think you’re right about why Disney pulled it
Yeah, it's definitely based on historic precedent. We didn't have company towns much here but some remote mining camps with Fly In Fly Out workers have created other social problems.
@@terrytalksmovies I always assumed “Blue Sky Mine” was in some way related to something similar, but looking it up just now, I guess not. :) But, yeah, any time you’ve got an isolated workforce who are entirely dependent upon one company, and no legal oversight, there’s gonna be that kind of abuse. Indian migrant workers in Dubai tell horrifying stories…
@@mahatmarandy5977 sexual abuse issues, drug use, families broken up because of the isolation. Holes in the ground and houses are all Australia builds these days.
@@terrytalksmovies I don’t know what to say to that. My own people have kind of a grim history as well. Things do get better. But then people start taking “better” for granted and it all falls to shit again, so, yeah, dunno what to say. Sorry. “May you live out your days in the better half of that cycle,” I guess
This sounds like it would have been really good. i hope one day someone in "power" has the nerve to release this on disc. the reasons for abandoning it sound very petty and self conscious.
It's Outland without the shotguns. Lol This sounds interesting for trying to be original because the last time I liked a Disney Sci Fi movie was The Blackhole.
But why would they have greenlit the project if all that pro-union stuff was in the script? I think we also have to acknowledge that Disney is all about the numbers and instant success. As an original film not associated with a popular/familiar brand or franchise, Crater would necessarily have taken longer to find its audience, given the general public's lack of curiosity for new things; and Disney didn't have the patience for that, what with Iger's new slash and burn strategy (guess he was too bored in retirement).
Just the kind of film that I would love to see, and even "own" as it were. Of course, in the native land of Disney, the corporation is locked in a death struggle (seemingly) with a giant human pimple. Or two.
Disney did a lot of pulling new stuff because of the tax break they can get. And if I understand it right, that means, that those movies cannot be sold/rented on any media again. They didn't remove Rouge One, even the message is clearly anti imperialism, multi cultural and it is a kind of leftist revolution movie. And in my opinion the second best SW movie after Empire.
Terry: I skipped this movie when it was available. At the time, I thought it to be another pre-teen juvenile filler that would be a waste of 90 minutes of my life. But, oh contraire! According to you it’s a “bite the hand that feeds you” adventure that the writers/creative talent is taking a swipe at the house of the mouse. I’m not so sure if the “Suits” at Disney are that petty (even though a certain Florida governor is). I bet that their bean counters had something to say about it staying or going. Could it be some of the same reasons Warner killed “Catwoman”, never to see the light of day?
Warners cancelled Batgirl. As for Disney suits, check out Bob Iger's reaction in this piece of news. allyourscreens.com/en/component/k2/item/4265-how-are-things-going-in-the-wga-amptp-talks-depends-on-who-you-talk-to
@@terrytalksmovies Terry: I stand corrected, it was Batgirl. Thank you for the referenced link about the current state of the Hollywood strike. It's not so simple, with nuances here and there that make it complex. In the meantime, we'll have to struggle through the dregs of foreign content that's often poorly dubbed, showing up on the streaming services. *Lately, I've come across some services like "Tubi" that's free (well, not so free if you factor in the awful commercials interspersed). There's a substantial variety of older movies and shows that I haven't seen in decades. Some movies that you have already commented on too. Please keep your valuable content coming! 👍
@@dogzdad123 I have also found Tubi, and it has some very good movies available, some dross too. They have some great silents, which I'm working my way through. I was recently able to watch the first A Star is Born (with Janet Gaynor from 1937) and it is probably the second-best version.
So I watched it (the only way I can afford to watch any of these). It had a lot of potential but was uneven and often amateurishly handled, had the cliche Goonies circle of kids, and was another movie where clueless adults write down to what they think their audience is - but it had a strong ending, which mostly redeemed it. (But why didn't they just go back to the crater where there was oxygen - not to mention, cover?) It could have been a modern classic like Settlers if they had been willing to treat their audience like adults and put more of an edge on it . And I'll be 300 in 2257 too!
As far as the oxygen thing: nobody knew the museum was there. In Australian deserts, they tell you to always stay with your vehicle. Maybe it's the same on the Moon.
looks like that Disney company is doing a great job ruining everything they are releasing from those Once great Marvel movies and plus those Awful Disney Star wars I use to like them Before that Disney company brought the copyright to them!☹️
@@creech54 Google is not your friend. You'll probably have to sail off to adventure with Long John Silver and that crew. "Aargh! Mates! Tis the Black Spot on me monitor screen!"
Typical Disney don't promote and back things that might be interesting Tron Legacy comes to mind, Star Wars Andor and this movie but pump the hell out of the marketing of shitty B rated girl boss shows and movies. Then they wonder why they don't get huge profits on their returns. I was semi interested in the preview premise of this show but I try to avoid all things Disney like the plague. Of course the film didn't much of a marketing push it doesn't fit the Mary Sue girl boss premise of everything they are trying to pump out. Can't have a single capable male in a show without them being a bumbling incompetent fool doesn't fit the narrative.
Disney has lost its way. It was never anything but middle America writ large and in a global movie market, that doesn't run well with most of the world.
some one did an essay about movies and series that disney was goin to screen that got canned because they choked at the starting line about only gay subject matter. i believe the youtubes specialty was gay bating in movies and series
off subject: an idea or a video is movies you mistake as mel brooks movies upon first glance. murder by death ....the big bus....in god we trust. and maybe the great dinosaur caper.@@terrytalksmovies
After watching this story I called Disney Plus (I am a subscriber) and talked to a human being who looked it up and said he had no idea why the film was pulled from the service and isn't even available as a pay per view. Another version of this story is that Disney pulled a lot of content to avoid paying residuals to actors whenever it was shown.
They're not allowed to say and probably don't know. It was probably 86ed for the subtext then became a tax write-off. It won't see a legit release again.
Is Disney going into trimming the budget mode? I heard Disney hasn't done well on some of its ventures. There are also other factors that may cause them to look for cost savings.
@@terrytalksmovies Readily available from some torrent sites.
Power to the unions! It is interesting that Disney would rather lose money at the movie box office than give the unionists a pay rise (etc). But that's what corporations do!
Disney probably made it a tax write-off which means they'll never show it again.
@@terrytalksmovies- yeah, Iger's shown himself to be a real dick upon coming back to head Disney. Now he's trying to pretend he was just "misunderstood" and of COURSE he supports WGA and SAG-AFTRA...! 🤨
I saw this a while back before it was removed and really enjoyed it. It was really well realized production wise, and some nice young actors. The whole life in a “company town” thing is dystopian but has historic relevance.
Yep and that's exactly why Disney killed it.
I have to wonder if anyone at Disney ever appreciated the movie Outland.
Outland was mid for me. Just High Noon in space.
@@terrytalksmovies I am much the same, but I was thinking more of an executive recognizing a hit movie about worker exploitation in space.
I saw a trailer for this... Thought it looked interesting so I sat down to watch it but it was gone. LOL. I hate that I missed it!
Oh my lands, that explanation is really interesting. Kind of makes sense but doesn't make it sound hopeful it'll turn up somewhere else does it
If Disney made it a tax write-off it's unlikely to re-emerge, legally.
Hmmm.... "Pollyluna?"
Plus, "...shame Disney...?" Isn't that an oxymoron?
My middle sister, when she was going to graduate from the Kansas City Art Institute was considering going to work for Disney in the Art department. After talking to a few people that worked for Disney, she changed her mind and ended up at Hallmark. According to her, she did not hear a single good report about working for "the Mouse Empire."
Good anything can be 'sourced' from previous works. My favourite theme about that is; "If you are going to steal ideas, steal from the best."
For this film, which I guess I shall have to go a reaving to acquire, I would consider as ancestors: "Moon" with Sam Rockwell, "Metropolis" by Lang, the Heinlein Juveniles, and, oddly enough, "City" by Simak.
Stay safe!
You too, Lee. Let me know if you enjoy the movie.
Never heard of this movie, I do love the old Heinlein novels and shorts so I'll check it out for sure. Might be a fun movie to watch with my nephews.
It should be nephew-friendly. 😀
Thanks for the recommendation of this film. It’s been released for sale on iTunes here in Australia in the last week or so in 4K for just $14.99 so unfortunately given Disney’s not releasing anymore physical media here this is the only way to own a legitimate copy of the movie.
I'm not convinced that Disney cares about its audience. It cares about monetizing its audience. The last Indiana Jones movie is going to cost us a bundle. Sally likes them, so I'll be putting away the pennies to buy it via Amazon or eBay. I always disliked Disney and now have more reason to.
Terry, I don't know if you have seen this or can access it but, our (US) PBS has a program called American Experience. They did a 2-part series on Walt Disney. The end of episode one and a good part of episode 2 was Disney's struggle against unionizing at Disney. It is a great series highly recommended, and it paints Walt Disney as a real jerk (I could have used another word) and rightly so. If you get a chance, I think you would enjoy the series.
I've seen a doco about unionising Disney, might be the one, but it was a long time ago.
This is called American Experience: Walt Disney. It is his life story from birth to death. There is a story where one of the head illustrators helps a woman that colors the cells. The next day he went into his office and Disney took his furniture away because if he was helping color cells - those people don't get fancy furniture. He also went to congress and named names.@@terrytalksmovies
Also, Kevin Perjurer's DEFUNCTLAND CZcams series has done a number of episodes on Disney, how badly he reacted to his animators striking (and the grudge he held about it for the rest of his life!), and how that changed his priorities from animation to live-action shows, theme parks, futurism and television.
@@timeliebe Was going to recommend this.
You nailed it Terry. Listening to your description made me want to see it.
It is possible to find it... if you know where.
Sounds like Warner/Discovery not releasing finished films and taking a tax write off instead. A big FU to the actors and crew.
I agree.
Thank you so much for that, Terry. I have a friend who is incredibly good at being able to find obscure, hidden, and niche movies, and often finds them in weird places - he found a lovely copy of 'The Man Who Laughs' for me, many years ago - it was hidden within a load of Dutch porn, incredibly. I've got to ask him about 'Crater'.
And I'm very impressed with the 'Hugo' Award idea. I really dislike everything that Disney stands for - the greed, the twee sensibilities of an awful lot of their movies, how totally and utterly creatively bankrupt they have become, and worst of all, their habit of taking over beloved (and generally rival to Disney) franchises, and running them into the ground. Despicable company.
Sorry, Terry, I rather went off on one there. 😅😅😅
That's okay. The Man Who Laughs is a terrific find. I have one myself. Thanks for the feedback.
@@terrytalksmovies I think there is a version (restored) on 'daily motion' really good film watched this during one of the lock downs during the covid-19 out break.
@@richieRichard613 I have the DVD. Totally worth the price I paid for it.
Maybe they had more stones back in the day. The only movie I can think of close to this animosity is the original "Rollerball" setting up the conflict between the gladiatorial rollerball athletes and corporations who are the owners and rule sections of the U.S.. That science fiction classic is still enjoyed today.
Yes. Corporate bosses are the true snowflakes. 😀😉
I agree!
Similarity, Disney bought Star Wars, an anti-corporate IP, and now has no idea how to tell a story in its universe. "Maybe the empire isn't so bad" is the best they can give up with
Yeah, they're leaning into that weird 'Good German' trope from 1960s WW2 movies.
Thanks for the "tip." Looking forward to watching it this evening.
Enjoy! It's a solid little film.
It sounds like it was pulled before the writers strike.
The strike was imminent and 'union' has always been a dirty word at The Mouse Factory.
The handling of this movie was indeed curious. It's been made available since Sept 26 on several streaming sources. But I was made aware that the story seemed to have a oddly close resemblance to a story called Growing Up Weightless by John M Ford. I hadn't read it, but the description does seem to have some very close parallels. I haven't been able to find any official attribution from Disney, so I was curious if there may have been some kind of legal threat/ironing out that kept the movie off the market for those several months.
I haven't heard of the parallels but if that were the case, Disney should've been open about it.
Found it. Thanks for the recommendation. Heinlein juveniles were my gateway into SciFi. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
The vibe is definitely there.
Thank you for the video suggestion. I am "accessing" this video now (wink wink)...
I am shocked! Enjoy.
Heard the news of a list of content being removed from Disney Plus allegedly for tax returns and didn't question the motive to be purely (though cruelly) financial. But you make an interesting case for Crater potentially having a more complex motive behind it's removal. Enjoyed the video and the food for thought, don't mind me hitting that subscribe button.
Thanks @NextSummon. I appreciate the support.
I think we are seeing a clear downside to streaming (another one :-) ) which is the economic circus surrounding it all.
If something is not a runaway hit, then it is sometimes financially beneficial for the company to simply scrap the content.
This is due in part to the way we pay for streaming and that there is no income directly connected to a film or series on streaming.
If it has not been released that can cancel and deduct the losses from taxes. But it this case it might be that they are avoiding licensing fees in connection with it.
They alse removed the Willow series and it seems a new trend, that I predict will continue.
For us consumers it is actually a little stressful that stuff can just dissappear and I can only imagine what it must be like for the creatives that made the movie or series - that sometimes is not even given the chance to appear before a public!
So needless to say I intensely dislike these practices 😞
I was never a fan of Willow but many people liked it. That's why I'm so big on physical media. Once you have it, the studios can't change or cancel it.
I was introduced to science fiction by reading Heinlein's book Have Space Suit Will Travel. I read that book untill the cover fell off and that"s why to this day I love science fiction. Love what you do
Thanks, Greg. I really appreciate that.
I spotted this one. I'm a bit old, but it was pretty well done. It kind of reminded me of the 80s tv movie "Plymouth," which also had its moments. Including a cameo from a real Apollo moonwalker - Pete Conrad.
Re the O2 cylinder game, I've read about bored oil rig workers doing something similar at sea.
Sounded horrendously dangerous.
Cheers
Thanks Brian. I think this little film deserved better.
I do like classic juvenile SF books. Islands in the Sky by Arthur C Clarke is quite cool and would make a good steaming movie. Part of the book involves a movie company trying to shoot a movie in space.
Crater has that kind of feel. I enjoyed it.
Hmmmm, I shall 'track' this movie down🤔...Thank You Terry 👍🏿
Enjoy.
I planned to watch this, but it got pulled. I do not watch Disney + all that much.
Yeah, it's destined to be a unicorn.
Okay, I did manage to get to see Crater. The so-called pro-union bit at the end is pretty thin as it is just a message saying that things are much better in the mines, where they still work! I'm wondering if the film was pulled over complaints about how dark the ending is. The main character wakes up to find that 75 years have passed and he is on that other planet AND ALL OF HIS FRIENDS ARE DEAD! This is exactly what he was afraid of and said so at the beginning of the story. He has some recordings his friends sent him when he was in hypersleep, but that's all that remains of them. It is nice that he finds the 10 year old brother of the girl he knew on the Moon, but basically the ending is a big WTF! The whole film is very upbeat until the ending where it takes that big left turn. And a fun time is not had by all.
They're not dead, they've lived their whole lives and are now grandparents on a better Luna. Significant difference there.
I Wondered what happened to this movie. It looked kinda like The Goonies in space. Your analysis is probably spot on. Subversive ideas rarely find their way into corporate media.
Which is why movies like Everything Everywhere All At Once and Barbie do well. Different voices coming at entertainment from unique perspectives.
A modern "lost" movie. Lost in space...
Lost to corporate greed, like many things. ☹
Meant to watch it but was too late I guess. Sounds like it had elements of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress in it. Disney definitely didn't want it weaponized against them by the union!
I remember going to Disney world on a family vacation. We were riding the monorail and an employee (I think she worked in a gift shop) got on. Another passenger said that it must be great to work here because you can ride the monorail all the time. The employee chuckled and said that Disney charges employees to use the monorail. Just like the Moon TANSTAAFL!😛
Disney was a bastard and it rubbed off on the company that inherited his name.
Sounds good, unless your a shareholder in big Corp, thought police. thank you again for your insight in Celluloid, Cheers.
My pleasure, Stew.
I don’t think it was anticapitalism per se (if it were, it simply would never have been made in the first place). I’m Southern, and lived in Appalachia for a number of years, and instantly recognized the setup as very very very similar to the way West Virginia coal miners lived in the 19th and early 20th centuries. It was just an ugly, *evil* work environment where you were effectively a serf who couldn’t live without amassing debts to the company, and could not leave until they’d paid off those debts, which most people could never do. (This system is basically illegal now, and was largely broken by unionization)
I’m not saying that’s the only way the film can be read, just that it’s the way I read it based on my experiences.
That said, I think you’re right about why Disney pulled it
Yeah, it's definitely based on historic precedent. We didn't have company towns much here but some remote mining camps with Fly In Fly Out workers have created other social problems.
@@terrytalksmovies I always assumed “Blue Sky Mine” was in some way related to something similar, but looking it up just now, I guess not. :) But, yeah, any time you’ve got an isolated workforce who are entirely dependent upon one company, and no legal oversight, there’s gonna be that kind of abuse. Indian migrant workers in Dubai tell horrifying stories…
@@mahatmarandy5977 sexual abuse issues, drug use, families broken up because of the isolation. Holes in the ground and houses are all Australia builds these days.
@@terrytalksmovies I don’t know what to say to that. My own people have kind of a grim history as well. Things do get better. But then people start taking “better” for granted and it all falls to shit again, so, yeah, dunno what to say. Sorry. “May you live out your days in the better half of that cycle,” I guess
This sounds like it would have been really good. i hope one day someone in "power" has the nerve to release this on disc. the reasons for abandoning it sound very petty and self conscious.
If Disney turned it into a tax write-off it may never get a legit release.
I found the movie on Amazon!
Cool! It deserves to be acknowledged and appreciated.
It's Outland without the shotguns. Lol This sounds interesting for trying to be original because the last time I liked a Disney Sci Fi movie was The Blackhole.
Not really. It's a rite of passage story for teens, but also good SF.
@terrytalksmovies was joking, but sadly, I guess I'll never see it as it's packed up with Song Of The South.
But why would they have greenlit the project if all that pro-union stuff was in the script? I think we also have to acknowledge that Disney is all about the numbers and instant success. As an original film not associated with a popular/familiar brand or franchise, Crater would necessarily have taken longer to find its audience, given the general public's lack of curiosity for new things; and Disney didn't have the patience for that, what with Iger's new slash and burn strategy (guess he was too bored in retirement).
They probably greenlit the project on a summary of the plot, without the subtext.
@@terrytalksmovies I can see that. They aren't terribly bright, are they?
Just the kind of film that I would love to see, and even "own" as it were. Of course, in the native land of Disney, the corporation is locked in a death struggle (seemingly) with a giant human pimple. Or two.
The studios are trying to change cinema forever in a dystopian way. I sincerely hope they don't prevail.
@@terrytalksmovies And so we are united.
@@jamesallard7223 too right, comrade.
Disney did a lot of pulling new stuff because of the tax break they can get. And if I understand it right, that means, that those movies cannot be sold/rented on any media again. They didn't remove Rouge One, even the message is clearly anti imperialism, multi cultural and it is a kind of leftist revolution movie. And in my opinion the second best SW movie after Empire.
Yep. Corporations are such snowflakes.
Terry: I skipped this movie when it was available. At the time, I thought it to be another pre-teen juvenile filler that would be a waste of 90 minutes of my life.
But, oh contraire! According to you it’s a “bite the hand that feeds you” adventure that the writers/creative talent is taking a swipe at the house of the mouse.
I’m not so sure if the “Suits” at Disney are that petty (even though a certain Florida governor is).
I bet that their bean counters had something to say about it staying or going.
Could it be some of the same reasons Warner killed “Catwoman”, never to see the light of day?
Warners cancelled Batgirl. As for Disney suits, check out Bob Iger's reaction in this piece of news. allyourscreens.com/en/component/k2/item/4265-how-are-things-going-in-the-wga-amptp-talks-depends-on-who-you-talk-to
@@terrytalksmovies Terry: I stand corrected, it was Batgirl.
Thank you for the referenced link about the current state of the Hollywood strike.
It's not so simple, with nuances here and there that make it complex.
In the meantime, we'll have to struggle through the dregs of foreign content that's often poorly dubbed, showing up on the streaming services.
*Lately, I've come across some services like "Tubi" that's free (well, not so free if you factor in the awful commercials interspersed). There's a substantial variety of older movies and shows that I haven't seen in decades. Some movies that you have already commented on too.
Please keep your valuable content coming! 👍
@@dogzdad123Thanks. There's a lot of good Australian content from the past and present that could fill the gaps. Tubi is great.
@@dogzdad123 I have also found Tubi, and it has some very good movies available, some dross too. They have some great silents, which I'm working my way through. I was recently able to watch the first A Star is Born (with Janet Gaynor from 1937) and it is probably the second-best version.
So I watched it (the only way I can afford to watch any of these). It had a lot of potential but was uneven and often amateurishly handled, had the cliche Goonies circle of kids, and was another movie where clueless adults write down to what they think their audience is - but it had a strong ending, which mostly redeemed it. (But why didn't they just go back to the crater where there was oxygen - not to mention, cover?) It could have been a modern classic like Settlers if they had been willing to treat their audience like adults and put more of an edge on it . And I'll be 300 in 2257 too!
As far as the oxygen thing: nobody knew the museum was there. In Australian deserts, they tell you to always stay with your vehicle. Maybe it's the same on the Moon.
Analogy (allegory?) for life in the US today?
Not only the USA. Many people in many countries are living precarious lives.
What kind of viewership was "Crater" getting?
Reasonable. It wasn't promoted but word-of-mouth was starting to build on social media.
looks like that Disney company is doing a great job ruining everything they are releasing from those Once great Marvel movies and plus those Awful Disney Star wars I use to like them Before that Disney company brought the copyright to them!☹️
Yeah, Disney is all about the money and the merch.
My quest begins......😎
Go for it. Bay like a Pirate.
You're such a tease! 😁
You can hunt it down if you know where to look.
@@terrytalksmovies I'll ask my friend Google.
@@creech54 Google is not your friend. You'll probably have to sail off to adventure with Long John Silver and that crew.
"Aargh! Mates! Tis the Black Spot on me monitor screen!"
Typical Disney don't promote and back things that might be interesting Tron Legacy comes to mind, Star Wars Andor and this movie but pump the hell out of the marketing of shitty B rated girl boss shows and movies. Then they wonder why they don't get huge profits on their returns. I was semi interested in the preview premise of this show but I try to avoid all things Disney like the plague. Of course the film didn't much of a marketing push it doesn't fit the Mary Sue girl boss premise of everything they are trying to pump out. Can't have a single capable male in a show without them being a bumbling incompetent fool doesn't fit the narrative.
Disney has lost its way. It was never anything but middle America writ large and in a global movie market, that doesn't run well with most of the world.
@terrytalksmovies your description of the movie was good I am interested in seeing it now.
some one did an essay about movies and series that disney was goin to screen that got canned because they choked at the starting line about only gay subject matter. i believe the youtubes specialty was gay bating in movies and series
Wow. They really are the worst studio.
off subject: an idea or a video is movies you mistake as mel brooks movies upon first glance. murder by death ....the big bus....in god we trust. and maybe the great dinosaur caper.@@terrytalksmovies