In case you didn’t see it in the description, here’s a list of the key points of the video if you want to skip around to the parts that interest you! 0:00 Intro and explanation 1:15 Unboxing the exhaust and silencer 2:59 Installing Two Brothers Racing exhaust 5:14 First cold start with the new exhaust! 6:26 Decibel reading of TBR without silencer 7:30 First ride with TBR without silencer 8:42 Overview of the features of the exhaust 10:19 Review of Two Brothers without silencer 11:00 Installing the Two Brothers silencer 12:51 First startup of TBR with silencer 13:16 First ride with TBR with silencer installed 14:16 Review of Two Brothers with silencer 15:42 Decibel reading of TBR with silencer 16:43 Overview/recap of first impressions and features of Two Brothers Racing exhaust
For anyone not in the know, decibels are logarithmic, so an increase of 3 decibels is double the sound intensity and a decrease of 3 results in the sound intensity being halved. For comparison, a jet engine is around 120 and a baby crying is about 110. So now you can roughly gauge how loud it is :)
Juan & Spoof. It depends if we are talking perceived or physical loudness. Studio engineers generally rely on the physical measurement of RMS energy as that is the most accurate way to measure Sound Pressure Level (SPL). It is exposure to SPL over extended time that can damage your ears. Poll: Is 3 dB, 6 dB or 10 dB SPL double the sound pressure? This is not a trick question. This is not about the subjective perceived loudness of hearing and not how to add sound sources. SPL is the abbreviation for "Sound Pressure Level". The term loudspeaker and amplification is not specifically raised with the previous survey. It's all about sound pressure the most important sound value. There is only one correct answer: Twice the sound pressure is an SPL of +6 dB.
@@dftweedie3021 the correct answer is 3 dB(A) to double the SPL. 6 dB(A) is the change in SPL if you double the distance from the source of the sound( 100 meters to 200 meters). To the majority of people 10 dB(A) is the subjektive doubling of the sound.
Anything over 85 decibels over a certain amount of time, OSHA recommends ear protection. I’m 60, been riding off and on all my life, I have hearing loss and tinnitus. Just a cautionary tale, I would recommend wear hearing protection. But I know most young riders won’t think that this is important. I enjoy your videos. Waiting for my Rebel. I am a minimalist, so I keep things stock. Looking forward to seeing your next mods for this bike to make me change my mind.
I’ve definitely thought about getting hearing protection, but need to make sure I can still hear what’s going on around me. I know it’s the smart thing to do, but I’m not always the smartest hahah I definitely appreciate you saying that though! And definitely stay tuned for more mods on the way!
@@luko560 yes, it’s the wind noise that is my problem. I ride with Bose IQ 20 wired earphones. Cuts the wind noise down to almost nothing and I can hear everything still. Earplugs have a NR rating. Earplugs reduces certain frequencies and yet allows you to still hear. If you would not be able to hear, they would not be recommended by OSHA or the Department of Defense. But this is my personal issue and I think I have said enough, lol. Ride safely.
@@LifeOfBurch get motorcycle earplugs by Earpiece.com . Been using it for a few months and honestly a big step up from foamy earplugs. They keep the pressure neutral and block wind noise while allowing sirens. One thing is that they allow deep rumbling sounds to pass through so that might get tiring after riding a long time with a loud exhaust, but I have yet to try that myself.
@@LifeOfBurch motorcycle specific earplugs are designed to limit noises you dont need like wind noise while still keeping the important ones for you to hear, so you still hear traffic, your engine, car horns etc.
I’ve got an 1100 myself and have been on the fence about the two brothers or Vance and Hines and this one did it for me. I’ll definitely be getting the two brothers. Great video! Keep it up
Oh man. Finally got this exhaust installed with baffle last week. Was still too loud for my sensitive ears but after wrapping the silencer with one layer of fiberglass exhaust pack, the sound level is perfect while maintaining the Two Brothers grumble and pops! If anyone finds this exhaust too loud even with baffle, just spend the $15 and wrap the baffle. Super easy to do!
Decibels (dB) are logarithmic usually on a scale of "tens". No silencer = with throttle at 112dB versus an idle of around 90dB, throttle-no-load volume is approximately 120x time louder than idle (every 10dB is 10x louder than the previous 10 marker; i.e. 20dB is 10x louder than 10dB, and 30dB is 100x (10x10) louder than 10dB, 40dB is 1000x (10x10x10) louder than 10dB, so on, so forth)..
Don’t have a bike but I still watch and like every video cause you’re just a cool dude. Been here since like 1k followers nice to see your growth keep it up bro
Absolutely, Indeed Brother! I Love it!!! I went from the Shorty GP to This TBR Exhaust. It Improved Everything! More power, Throttle Response, Gas Mileage... Amazing. With the Shorty, It was basically straight piped, Which Crushed MPG’s And All Power and Responses.
I ended up putting a glass packing kit around the DB killer made it very nice to ride without having the Hollow tube sound you get from running Two Brothers Exhaust.
i'm gettin to the party late and yakin' about something years old to boot... i had a suzuki gsf1200s, fast bike but not crazy fast. anyway i bought a replacement muff same style as in this video but different manufacturer (i don't want to say who). so i slip it on there and tighten things up. it had the "silencer" in it straight out of the box. rode it, loved it. then the next weekend i took the silencer out. wow what an amazing sound, and it seemed to have more power! buddy has a MC shop and a dyno so i had to find out... stock muff: 97-ish HP aftermarket w/silencer: 102HP aftermarket wo/silencer: 98HP so... the sound without the silencer was amazing, but i actually had MoAR POwEr with it in! and i didn't upset anyone in my neighborhood daily riding to work and whatever.
A 4 decibel difference is actually a lot more than you'd think. It's something like for every decibel lowered, the perceived sound drops by half or something like that. great video!
@@tonycooper4141 thanks for the correction, you are right! -3dB is the half power point since decibels are on a logarithmic scale. So -9dB at idle is a huge difference
I'm a little late to this party, but I'm just now considering the 1100. Great video. You answer all the questions I would have. The exhaust sounds great with or without the silencer. Without it you have a hot rod sound and with it it's more of a big V-twin sound. I think the sound profile does change a bit with the silencer: it's a little richer. I'd probably pack fiberglass on mine. Loud exhausts sound great and the police love them too. I'd rather be a little lower profile with the way I ride.
Two brothers now has the lower exhaust. Since I am looking at getting the touring 1100 with a manual transmission I am sure it should fit beneath the hard side saddle bags.
Sound was awesome without silencer and frankly I never once contemplated actually installing the silencer on any slip on I.ve installed. First Two Bros. was on my current VStrom 1000xt and from now on it'll always be Two Bros. for me on any bike provided they make one for the application. Had a few Yoshi and Two Bros. is the only one where performance was noticeably improved as you noticed. Seriously thinking about a Rebel 1100 soon. Ride safe!
@LifeOfBirch just brought the TBR low mount exhaust based on your opinions and videos for my Rebel 1100 and I just wana say thank you for your videos. Love you work mate, and the exhaust man I'm sold I LOVE IT, IT SOUNDS AMAZING! Totally worth the purchase all the way from New Zealand 🇳🇿 cannot wait for summer!
Great vid, fantastic exhaust! The cheapy you had on first probably caused an over-lean mixture which would affect the running. Even without the baffle (it's what we call them in the UK) you'll have significantly more back pressure and the motor will run much happier - might explain why you felt a little bit more power. Either way, your bike will love you for it. Keep up the great work with the vids - I'm subscribed! P.S. I'm curious to know, did you keep the baffle in - or take it out again?
TBR and Coffman have now both come out with a more horizontally mounted version that will allow bags, and I am really having a hard time choosing between the two.
112 db is ear damage volume. Your neighbors would be annoyed, extremely annoyed. With the silencer, they will be only slightly annoyed. I wonder about a power increase? A pipe plus low restriction air cleaner makes a significant gain.
Phone mics are notorious for being unable to handle high Db with accuracy, though they do still provide side-by-side or before/after comparisons on a given scale. So how much quieter the silencer is vs the straight pipe = fairly accurate. The actual numbers vs lab equip = a coin toss for how far off it actually might be. If you ever get a dedicated decibel meter, or borrow one, I'd be interested to see volume measured at 50ft behind the bike. Like the cops sometimes do when they're hunting for add-on tickets.
I love how it sounds... but I need to wait for something like that which is down and doesn't block me adding some nice hard lockable saddle bags, which I plan on doing asap. If they didn't have the upswept design, I would have thrown cash at them already.
It sounds great, even though i cant get the full effect through video. The silencer is a good idea, as 85 decibels will damage your hearing after about eight hours, and the higher the decibel the faster it happens. I put the quiet baffles in my vance and hines to take it from a fluctuating 86-90 decibels at idle, down to a steady 80 decibels for this reason.
They sell an identical slip-on at Two Brothers that mounts differently - angled similar to the stock, allowing room for saddlebags and/or passenger foot pegs with no problem. Genuinely good engineering and makes you safer on the highway with sound - being heard is being seen. $500 and may save a rider's life.
Only downside is near residential areas with no baffler/silencer, engine braking reduced and not going above 25 mph was needed to not annoy / anger neighbors. Learned what **NOT** to do from Harley riders.
112 db is really loud, I'm a professional musician, all I can say is that I remember one of the loudest concerts ever played was Deep Purple back in the 70's where the sound reached 117 db which made a few members in the audience faint. This is not an urban legend it's a fact. Now you might be thinking how is that possible, the diff between the loudest concert and my 2 Bros is minimal...well here's how the effect of db works. In the case of your 2 Bros exhaust put your right ear as far inside the opening of the exhaust as possible and get somebody to rev your bike and you'll get the full 112 db of your 2 Bros also your ear will possibly bleed. At the concert the 117 db were as if they were being heard directly into a close up of the human ear hence the people who lost consciousness.
Jay_M what did you end up getting? I’m still undecided. I love the look of the TBR but from videos I like how the vance sounds. Vance also looks kinda weird, looks like a cone.
I almost want to trade in my 2020 Harley street bob for this bike. Just so I can put this muffler on. Absolutely sounds awesome. The silencer also sounds awesome. Good deal want it loud or through silencer in for a quiet afternoon ride to escape.
Glad you finally got the TBR. It's sounds great either way, but I kinda lean toward the DB killer in. I use earplugs all the time it helps with wind noise and I don't miss anything else I should be hearing. I'm sure my military training has an effect on how I feel about earplugs.
The angle of the exhaust looks cool. However, I am interested in their touring model with the batwing fairing and hard saddle bags. There’s no way that exhaust will work with the saddle bags…
I'm literally watching this, yelling at my husband about how good it looks and how badass it sounds. I ordered the exact one a month ago (thanks to your video where you talked about it! You should get a sponsorship ;) ) About the passenger seat and pegs, I didn't hear back from you. I'm not firm on the price.
It should be better power and responsiveness with that than the gp dues to the corrected back pressure the gp shorty isn't designed for any decent back pressure
Hi, your face when you started switched the ignition on and revved it! Said more than a thousand words😂 You really convinced me in that video, absolutely love the sound. and wanted to order. However, I just read on the Two Brothers own page, that their exhaust systems are not approved, only for racing purposes and therefore not legal on public roads. Do you have other information?
i think it sounds better with the silencer versus without it. Without the silencer it sounds more sport-bikey and with the silence is sounds a lot more like a cruiser.
Another great review, thank you. I definitely like it without the silencer, just sounds to stock to me. Really love the two brothers exhaust, looks amazing. Unfortunately I have nothing but runarounds with their customer service. Your bike is coming together looks great!
Damaged in shipping again! Not the full system, just a slip-on, so need to mess with the fuelling. It looks good, sounds good [better with the decibel killer in]. Two Brothers always do great-looking/sounding systems. Well explained.
Idk about you, but I have a Vulcan S (650 P twin) and running the comp s exhaust with a silencer, I've noticed the bike handles low end revs with a lot more confidence. It just seems like it has more low end torque.
I knew you would get the TBR before you even got this bike. You already gave enough hints at the Honda Rebel group on Facebook :D I like it! Glad you're enjoying the bike. I hope you're doing well and your depression isn't hitting you too hard lately. You sound way more enthousiastic than when you've started vlogging with your ex.
Thanks man! I’ve been doing SO much better lately! I for sure had a pretty bad slump last year when I was in the thick of everything, but honestly life is better than it’s ever been recently. I’m glad that’s showing through my videos! I appreciate you checking up on me brotha. This little CZcams community continues to blow me away with the love and support I get! 🙏🏻
@@LifeOfBurch double appreciation back, Thx for compiling this review so well making it nice to watch and awesome to listen. I *couldn't* agree *more* about the sound this crossplane 1100 engine has now with this pipe w/ silencer. U said it 100% precise man. INVU
Still not a fan of the upsweep design. That will definitely prevent use of a saddlebag on that side. Doesn’t need to have that steep of an angle to not interfere with lean angle. Foot peg feelers are the first thing to touch the ground anyway. I can see how the sporty upsweep is desirable but not for me and not on this bike.
Anyone else concerned about hearing damage from aftermarket exhausts? I bought the TBR with no silencer for my 2020 Rebel 500 (idles at 80 decibels, light revs at 95, louder rev around 110) and I ended up taking it off since that’s in the permanent hearing damage zone even with the helmet on when riding. What are your guys opinions?
@@LifeOfBurch fuel injected is less needed for this but for example, a carburetor bike benefits from back pressure unless tuned to run richer. FI will adjust better but it still helps siphoning by pulling fuel from the injectors easier than just the normal spray pattern in the cylinders when they are commanded to open
Sounds awesome, but man, from one motorcycle rider to another, please consider non-motorcyclists when you're thinking about putting on loud exhausts. A cruiser with shotgun pipes actually caused me permeant hearing damage in my left ear last year when he went full throttle from a light while next to me with my window down.
O my gosh! Now I’m not sure what to get, the nc750x or the rebel 1100 w/two brothers exhaust. Sometimes I hate being a libra. That does sound good with the silencer in. Ride safe little brother
Absolutely 100% agree about Two Brothers Racing exhaust systems. In my case it was a full system on a Suzuki 650 V Strom and it was a carbon fibre muffler. It was soooooo much lighter than the idiotically heavy standard exhaust and power was definitely up after fitting it but, that could partly be put down to a surprisingly major weight reduction. The standard system on them also sounded like it was made for running around the halls of a nursing home, it was so boring and ridiculously quiet. I fitted that system and suddenly it became a real pleasure to ride, that I didn't expect at all but when you've got such a sweet sounding system to listen to that alone can completely change the whole experience. I loved the sound of that bike with that system on it. It was not offensively loud at all but just sounded great. I rode it several times with a go pro on and tried that in 2 completely different locations but as soon as I gave it more than fairly light throttle either something nearby vibrated and messed up the recorded sound or maybe it just swamped the built in microphone which was very disappointing not to be able to play it back and hear it properly now I haven't got that bike. I also have a DRZ 400 Suzuki with a Yoshimura system on it and while I would say it along with several other mods really got that thing moving for such a simple bike it is a bit overly loud so I have to be really careful if there's any cops nearby when I take off from lights or anything because it would get me pulled over if I was stupid enough to give it more throttle than just enough to do the job till I'm well away from them. I did run into a guy at a service station who had one of those Hyosung 650 road bikes with exctactly the same 2 Brothers Exhaust system on it's 650 V twin and I can't say it sounded as good although it was also almost exactly the same motor design it sounded like a heap of shit making a bit more noise than normal so just hearing the 2 together you could easily hear the Suzuki engine ran MUCH better and so much crisper sounding. I think the Hyosung sounded better than with their standard exhaust too but obviously the design and quality of the engine can make a big difference too because that thing didn't sound anywhere near as crisp and clean running as mine on the DL 650 did. Two Brothers Racing obviously put serious effort into making a really good product, or rather line of products that I'd definitely recommend as a fantastic system that improves your performance simply by removing a stupidly heavy lump of a thing and then who knows how much more by helping it breath so much better too. I traded that DL 650 on a BMW S 1,000 R which 2 years later I got wiped out big time on thanks to an inexperienced idiot launching out in front of me while traveling at 60 mph and putting me in a critical condition and not expected to survive. I've still got the DRZ 400 but that absolutely awesome BMW is gone and now I really wish I hadn't traded that DL 650 in since I can ride a more upright bike like it but sports bikes are out now my shoulders are torn up badly and even on a moderately comfortably laid out bike I can't go more than 60 miles without being in agony and it was a very pleasant bike to ride that I was going to keep but it was just so slow by comparison to that BMW with 160 hp and just insane performance that it was hard to swap to it and enjoy the ride while knowing I could as easily be riding that insane monster. The DL 650 wasn't at all slow, only by comparison to the BMW did it FEEL slow and disappointing. Absolutely recommend the 2 brothers gear though too. They seriously design a well thought out and very well built system that I'd recommend any day.
Hi there. I think the original sounds a lot better. Its just sound higher quality more professional engineering. I'm sure the heat shield is more functional on the original. I just love the sound on my Rebel. It's part of the design and the sound really reminds me of my helicopter flying years when I'm cruising. I think Honda got it perfect. Why make it sound like everything else when you can have something really unique?
It's funny because while i was asking myself the question, you mentionned the passenger and the exhaust direction. Im glad that they also considered this ! It would be sad to have to chose. Have you planned to put the passenger seat ? I don't remember. Cheers ! ✌️💯
Any power loss? When I did my VFR800 without adjusting the mapping I lost noticeable torque/Power specially on low RPMs.You might not notice right away but you will.
In case you didn’t see it in the description, here’s a list of the key points of the video if you want to skip around to the parts that interest you!
0:00 Intro and explanation
1:15 Unboxing the exhaust and silencer
2:59 Installing Two Brothers Racing exhaust
5:14 First cold start with the new exhaust!
6:26 Decibel reading of TBR without silencer
7:30 First ride with TBR without silencer
8:42 Overview of the features of the exhaust
10:19 Review of Two Brothers without silencer
11:00 Installing the Two Brothers silencer
12:51 First startup of TBR with silencer
13:16 First ride with TBR with silencer installed
14:16 Review of Two Brothers with silencer
15:42 Decibel reading of TBR with silencer
16:43 Overview/recap of first impressions and features of Two Brothers Racing exhaust
Great vid! How many pounds in weight did you save versus the stock set-up?
Thank you Burch
For anyone not in the know, decibels are logarithmic, so an increase of 3 decibels is double the sound intensity and a decrease of 3 results in the sound intensity being halved. For comparison, a jet engine is around 120 and a baby crying is about 110. So now you can roughly gauge how loud it is :)
Good point ... but the doubling/ halving is 6dB, not 3dB.
@@dftweedie3021 i thought it was 10db?
Juan & Spoof. It depends if we are talking perceived or physical loudness. Studio engineers generally rely on the physical measurement of RMS energy as that is the most accurate way to measure Sound Pressure Level (SPL). It is exposure to SPL over extended time that can damage your ears.
Poll: Is 3 dB, 6 dB or 10 dB SPL double the sound pressure?
This is not a trick question. This is not about the subjective perceived loudness of hearing and not how to add sound sources. SPL is the abbreviation for "Sound Pressure Level". The term loudspeaker and amplification is not specifically raised with the previous survey. It's all about sound pressure the most important sound value.
There is only one correct answer: Twice the sound pressure is an SPL of +6 dB.
@@dftweedie3021 the correct answer is 3 dB(A) to double the SPL. 6 dB(A) is the change in SPL if you double the distance from the source of the sound( 100 meters to 200 meters). To the majority of people 10 dB(A) is the subjektive doubling of the sound.
Man, this is a conversation and a half. Great discussion guys :)
Finally a decent review on TBR for the 1100, people dropped the ball on this, Burch to the rescue
Ayy gotta give the people what they want! Haha
Anything over 85 decibels over a certain amount of time, OSHA recommends ear protection. I’m 60, been riding off and on all my life, I have hearing loss and tinnitus. Just a cautionary tale, I would recommend wear hearing protection. But I know most young riders won’t think that this is important. I enjoy your videos. Waiting for my Rebel.
I am a minimalist, so I keep things stock. Looking forward to seeing your next mods for this bike to make me change my mind.
I’ve definitely thought about getting hearing protection, but need to make sure I can still hear what’s going on around me. I know it’s the smart thing to do, but I’m not always the smartest hahah I definitely appreciate you saying that though! And definitely stay tuned for more mods on the way!
@@luko560 Yep, I've never ridden without ear plugs. I don't know how people do!
@@luko560 yes, it’s the wind noise that is my problem. I ride with Bose IQ 20 wired earphones. Cuts the wind noise down to almost nothing and I can hear everything still. Earplugs have a NR rating. Earplugs reduces certain frequencies and yet allows you to still hear. If you would not be able to hear, they would not be recommended by OSHA or the Department of Defense. But this is my personal issue and I think I have said enough, lol. Ride safely.
@@LifeOfBurch get motorcycle earplugs by Earpiece.com . Been using it for a few months and honestly a big step up from foamy earplugs. They keep the pressure neutral and block wind noise while allowing sirens. One thing is that they allow deep rumbling sounds to pass through so that might get tiring after riding a long time with a loud exhaust, but I have yet to try that myself.
@@LifeOfBurch motorcycle specific earplugs are designed to limit noises you dont need like wind noise while still keeping the important ones for you to hear, so you still hear traffic, your engine, car horns etc.
The pipe looks and sounds great. I would definitely stick with the baffle, great rumble but not over-the-top loud.
Exactly what I did is just fine with the Baffle don't need it any louder ..
I’ve got an 1100 myself and have been on the fence about the two brothers or Vance and Hines and this one did it for me. I’ll definitely be getting the two brothers. Great video! Keep it up
Oh man. Finally got this exhaust installed with baffle last week. Was still too loud for my sensitive ears but after wrapping the silencer with one layer of fiberglass exhaust pack, the sound level is perfect while maintaining the Two Brothers grumble and pops! If anyone finds this exhaust too loud even with baffle, just spend the $15 and wrap the baffle. Super easy to do!
How did you do the fiber glass wrap thing?
@@mrpablomx literally just wrap the baffle tightly, secure with clear packaging tape, put back in exhaust.
Decibels (dB) are logarithmic usually on a scale of "tens". No silencer = with throttle at 112dB versus an idle of around 90dB, throttle-no-load volume is approximately 120x time louder than idle (every 10dB is 10x louder than the previous 10 marker; i.e. 20dB is 10x louder than 10dB, and 30dB is 100x (10x10) louder than 10dB, 40dB is 1000x (10x10x10) louder than 10dB, so on, so forth)..
Just received and installed mine. I just painted the hardware with high heat flat black grill paint. Looks right.
Don’t have a bike but I still watch and like every video cause you’re just a cool dude. Been here since like 1k followers nice to see your growth keep it up bro
Looks like the TBR with the baffle in is great for driving in neighborhoods. It's quiet at low rpm but becomes progressively louder as you rev it up.
Awesome! This is what I’m planning to put on mine when I finally get my Rebel.
You definitely won’t regret it! I’m blown away!
You made a great choice in Two Brothers Racing! I have it on my Sportster, and absolutely Love it!
Such a high quality, good sounding exhaust! 🙌🏻
What was your solution when putting the passenger foot peg on?
Secure muffler mounting before tightening muffler. This insures you aren’t inducing unnecessary stresses in the pipe mount to the engine.
Absolutely, Indeed Brother! I Love it!!! I went from the Shorty GP to This TBR Exhaust. It Improved Everything! More power, Throttle Response, Gas Mileage... Amazing. With the Shorty, It was basically straight piped, Which Crushed MPG’s And All Power and Responses.
I ended up putting a glass packing kit around the DB killer made it very nice to ride without having the Hollow tube sound you get from running Two Brothers Exhaust.
Glass packing kit?
sounds good even with the silencer. i personally would keep it in!
Man I’m glad you went with the two bro’s racing exhaust, over the V&H! I really like the way it sounds!!!
You do a great job with new parts. Thanks for giving honest perspective.
i'm gettin to the party late and yakin' about something years old to boot...
i had a suzuki gsf1200s, fast bike but not crazy fast. anyway i bought a replacement muff same style as in this video but different manufacturer (i don't want to say who).
so i slip it on there and tighten things up. it had the "silencer" in it straight out of the box. rode it, loved it. then the next weekend i took the silencer out. wow what an amazing sound, and it seemed to have more power!
buddy has a MC shop and a dyno so i had to find out...
stock muff: 97-ish HP
aftermarket w/silencer: 102HP
aftermarket wo/silencer: 98HP
so... the sound without the silencer was amazing, but i actually had MoAR POwEr with it in! and i didn't upset anyone in my neighborhood daily riding to work and whatever.
My problem is I use my bike to commute, and it bugs me the exhausts are all upswept. Why can't they just do it as a straight pipe?
Check out the falcon double groove im pretty sure its a straight for the Rebel 500 not sure about the 1100
Again, the best content presentation for the rebel 1100! Thank you!
A 4 decibel difference is actually a lot more than you'd think. It's something like for every decibel lowered, the perceived sound drops by half or something like that. great video!
Oh wow! That makes a lot of sense then! Thanks for the info brotha! 🙏🏻
Each 3 decibel rise represents a doubling of sound output.
@@tonycooper4141 thanks for the correction, you are right! -3dB is the half power point since decibels are on a logarithmic scale. So -9dB at idle is a huge difference
@@tonycooper4141 thanks for the correction, it's been a minute since I've brushed up my sound stuff!
I'm a little late to this party, but I'm just now considering the 1100. Great video. You answer all the questions I would have. The exhaust sounds great with or without the silencer. Without it you have a hot rod sound and with it it's more of a big V-twin sound. I think the sound profile does change a bit with the silencer: it's a little richer. I'd probably pack fiberglass on mine. Loud exhausts sound great and the police love them too. I'd rather be a little lower profile with the way I ride.
Silencer approved! You bring the quality every time Burch. Keep up the good work man
Your also creating some back pressure with silencer which makes more power low and mid. Won't run as lean.
The Backpressure Myth!!!
The ECU adjusts the air fuel ratio so it wont run lean unless you do something major.
CZcams REAAAALY wants me to rewatch this video.. like, it keeps popping up on my home page suggestions...
So here I am.. good video.
Two brothers now has the lower exhaust. Since I am looking at getting the touring 1100 with a manual transmission I am sure it should fit beneath the hard side saddle bags.
Very Happy Making the TBR Choice for my Honda Rebel
Sound was awesome without silencer and frankly I never once contemplated actually installing the silencer on any slip on I.ve installed. First Two Bros. was on my current VStrom 1000xt and from now on it'll always be Two Bros. for me on any bike provided they make one for the application. Had a few Yoshi and Two Bros. is the only one where performance was noticeably improved as you noticed. Seriously thinking about a Rebel 1100 soon. Ride safe!
I would go with the silencer in. Both sound great
@LifeOfBirch just brought the TBR low mount exhaust based on your opinions and videos for my Rebel 1100 and I just wana say thank you for your videos. Love you work mate, and the exhaust man I'm sold I LOVE IT, IT SOUNDS AMAZING! Totally worth the purchase all the way from New Zealand 🇳🇿 cannot wait for summer!
Great vid, fantastic exhaust! The cheapy you had on first probably caused an over-lean mixture which would affect the running. Even without the baffle (it's what we call them in the UK) you'll have significantly more back pressure and the motor will run much happier - might explain why you felt a little bit more power. Either way, your bike will love you for it. Keep up the great work with the vids - I'm subscribed!
P.S. I'm curious to know, did you keep the baffle in - or take it out again?
duuuude! dream bike for me and that exhaust makes it sound sooooo nice!
Love your sweater bud. I struggled to pause the video in the right place to read what you have written on the back, but it was worth it.
TBR and Coffman have now both come out with a more horizontally mounted version that will allow bags, and I am really having a hard time choosing between the two.
Thanks for that update, I really want hard bags and the upswept design wouldn't allow for that.
112 db is ear damage volume. Your neighbors would be annoyed, extremely annoyed. With the silencer, they will be only slightly annoyed. I wonder about a power increase? A pipe plus low restriction air cleaner makes a significant gain.
Phone mics are notorious for being unable to handle high Db with accuracy, though they do still provide side-by-side or before/after comparisons on a given scale. So how much quieter the silencer is vs the straight pipe = fairly accurate. The actual numbers vs lab equip = a coin toss for how far off it actually might be.
If you ever get a dedicated decibel meter, or borrow one, I'd be interested to see volume measured at 50ft behind the bike. Like the cops sometimes do when they're hunting for add-on tickets.
I'm seriously thinking of the 1100 as my return to two wheels, so finding your channel has been very informative for me. Keep doin' you man.
I love how it sounds... but I need to wait for something like that which is down and doesn't block me adding some nice hard lockable saddle bags, which I plan on doing asap. If they didn't have the upswept design, I would have thrown cash at them already.
I love it, keep the silencer in. It sounds amazing
Great video! we here at Viking bags really appreciate your content!
With the silencer is perfect!
It sounds great, even though i cant get the full effect through video. The silencer is a good idea, as 85 decibels will damage your hearing after about eight hours, and the higher the decibel the faster it happens. I put the quiet baffles in my vance and hines to take it from a fluctuating 86-90 decibels at idle, down to a steady 80 decibels for this reason.
They sell an identical slip-on at Two Brothers that mounts differently - angled similar to the stock, allowing room for saddlebags and/or passenger foot pegs with no problem.
Genuinely good engineering and makes you safer on the highway with sound - being heard is being seen. $500 and may save a rider's life.
Only downside is near residential areas with no baffler/silencer, engine braking reduced and not going above 25 mph was needed to not annoy / anger neighbors. Learned what **NOT** to do from Harley riders.
Been waiting for this bad boy. It's called a baffle/db killer. Respect from the UK bro 🤟🤟🤟
Ayyy first comment! 🏆 🤘🏻
Man, that sounds awesome! But yeah it's definitely louder, I'd keep the silencer on. 😎
Totally with the silencer. I live in a subdivision too and I don't want them knowing my business......WOOT..
112 db is really loud, I'm a professional musician, all I can say is that I remember one of the loudest concerts ever played was Deep Purple back in the 70's where the sound reached 117 db which made a few members in the audience faint. This is not an urban legend it's a fact. Now you might be thinking how is that possible, the diff between the loudest concert and my 2 Bros is minimal...well here's how the effect of db works. In the case of your 2 Bros exhaust put your right ear as far inside the opening of the exhaust as possible and get somebody to rev your bike and you'll get the full 112 db of your 2 Bros also your ear will possibly bleed. At the concert the 117 db were as if they were being heard directly into a close up of the human ear hence the people who lost consciousness.
the pure enjoyment on his face is the best
Really liking the sound of this exhaust! Now I have a tough decision to either buy this one or the Vance & Hines exhaust
Jay_M what did you end up getting? I’m still undecided. I love the look of the TBR but from videos I like how the vance sounds. Vance also looks kinda weird, looks like a cone.
@@Dave-ru5nw I ended up going with the Vance and Hines. I got it at a discount so it was a easy decision.
13:42 - Owen Wilson mode just kicked in ~ WOW ~ lol congrats on the new exhaust bro!
Hahah thanks dude! 🤘🏻
I almost want to trade in my 2020 Harley street bob for this bike. Just so I can put this muffler on. Absolutely sounds awesome. The silencer also sounds awesome. Good deal want it loud or through silencer in for a quiet afternoon ride to escape.
I don't get the idea of having the muffler slant upward instead of straight back so you could use some decent size saddlebags without burning them.
Glad you finally got the TBR. It's sounds great either way, but I kinda lean toward the DB killer in. I use earplugs all the time it helps with wind noise and I don't miss anything else I should be hearing. I'm sure my military training has an effect on how I feel about earplugs.
The angle of the exhaust looks cool. However, I am interested in their touring model with the batwing fairing and hard saddle bags. There’s no way that exhaust will work with the saddle bags…
I'm literally watching this, yelling at my husband about how good it looks and how badass it sounds. I ordered the exact one a month ago (thanks to your video where you talked about it! You should get a sponsorship ;) )
About the passenger seat and pegs, I didn't hear back from you. I'm not firm on the price.
with silencer sounds really good and right on that sweet spot of volume, very nice work!
It should be better power and responsiveness with that than the gp dues to the corrected back pressure the gp shorty isn't designed for any decent back pressure
Hi, your face when you started switched the ignition on and revved it! Said more than a thousand words😂 You really convinced me in that video, absolutely love the sound. and wanted to order. However, I just read on the Two Brothers own page, that their exhaust systems are not approved, only for racing purposes and therefore not legal on public roads. Do you have other information?
Would love to know how decibels compare to stocker and V&H.
i think it sounds better with the silencer versus without it. Without the silencer it sounds more sport-bikey and with the silence is sounds a lot more like a cruiser.
Another great review, thank you. I definitely like it without the silencer, just sounds to stock to me. Really love the two brothers exhaust, looks amazing. Unfortunately I have nothing but runarounds with their customer service. Your bike is coming together looks great!
Glad you liked the video, and definitely agree that for me no silencer is the way to go!
Damaged in shipping again! Not the full system, just a slip-on, so need to mess with the fuelling. It looks good, sounds good [better with the decibel killer in]. Two Brothers always do great-looking/sounding systems. Well explained.
Idk about you, but I have a Vulcan S (650 P twin) and running the comp s exhaust with a silencer, I've noticed the bike handles low end revs with a lot more confidence. It just seems like it has more low end torque.
I have a TBR S Comp on my sportster and it's loud as hell lol. Kind of want a more quiet pipe, but I always wear eye plugs which help
Have you tried the silencer? I was honestly shocked at how much I liked it with it in!
@@LifeOfBurch my exhaust model doesn't take one
Lol eye plugs
Let me know about fuel consumption. I noticed a diference when i putted TBR on my 500.
New pipes can definitely change the throttle response by alot. I noticed that as well on my triumph.
The "Two Brothers Exhaust"... is a huge cop magnet on a Kawasaki 650 Vulcan S.
Maybe am gettin old but i would definitely
Leave the silencer on it..
I have a sportbike with a two brothers slip on. Putting the silencer on it has a noticeable reduction in power.
3:49 me everytime I work on my bike 😂
I have the Two Brothers Exhaust but no silencer. Can you please direct me where to get the silencer.
Perfect!!!
I knew you would get the TBR before you even got this bike. You already gave enough hints at the Honda Rebel group on Facebook :D
I like it! Glad you're enjoying the bike. I hope you're doing well and your depression isn't hitting you too hard lately. You sound way more enthousiastic than when you've started vlogging with your ex.
Thanks man! I’ve been doing SO much better lately! I for sure had a pretty bad slump last year when I was in the thick of everything, but honestly life is better than it’s ever been recently. I’m glad that’s showing through my videos! I appreciate you checking up on me brotha. This little CZcams community continues to blow me away with the love and support I get! 🙏🏻
That vid just got me subbed. All reasons are well shown in the vid. That's exactly how I'd want my Rebel1100 to be. 100%.
Ayy thanks for subscribing! I appreciate you!! 🙏🏻
@@LifeOfBurch double appreciation back, Thx for compiling this review so well making it nice to watch and awesome to listen. I *couldn't* agree *more* about the sound this crossplane 1100 engine has now with this pipe w/ silencer. U said it 100% precise man. INVU
Still not a fan of the upsweep design. That will definitely prevent use of a saddlebag on that side. Doesn’t need to have that steep of an angle to not interfere with lean angle. Foot peg feelers are the first thing to touch the ground anyway. I can see how the sporty upsweep is desirable but not for me and not on this bike.
same. I'm more concerned with making sure I can still keep a bag on that side. Hopefully the market opens up quite a bit in the next year or so
Anyone else concerned about hearing damage from aftermarket exhausts?
I bought the TBR with no silencer for my 2020 Rebel 500 (idles at 80 decibels, light revs at 95, louder rev around 110) and I ended up taking it off since that’s in the permanent hearing damage zone even with the helmet on when riding.
What are your guys opinions?
I agree mate. I’m not trying to damage my hearing
Best exhaust.
Two Brothers.
Pick one.
Man ive just found out about the new style rebel and man that is great looking bike now that its 1100 that is a bike on my want list
I know enough about decibels that you're about 20dB to 25dB too loud in many states. You could be cited for it.
The GP sounded better imo, you also can't use bags with that. Even if you don't want to at the moment, you don't even have the option.
It feels more responsive/more power since you now have back-pressure and engines tend to like that due to the siphoning effect.
Maaaybe. I’m still a believer in the cat providing enough “back pressure”, but I know there are people on both sides of the argument.
@@LifeOfBurch fuel injected is less needed for this but for example, a carburetor bike benefits from back pressure unless tuned to run richer. FI will adjust better but it still helps siphoning by pulling fuel from the injectors easier than just the normal spray pattern in the cylinders when they are commanded to open
Where's the laugh react
Added to my wishlist
Solid choice my guy!
Sounds awesome, but man, from one motorcycle rider to another, please consider non-motorcyclists when you're thinking about putting on loud exhausts. A cruiser with shotgun pipes actually caused me permeant hearing damage in my left ear last year when he went full throttle from a light while next to me with my window down.
O my gosh! Now I’m not sure what to get, the nc750x or the rebel 1100 w/two brothers exhaust. Sometimes I hate being a libra. That does sound good with the silencer in. Ride safe little brother
In Quebec Canada we can't exceed 90dB at 15' with the rpm at 4000.
Hey man, did you get the bike tuned for the exhaust? And of not, do you feel like it could benefit from a tune?
It so much nice sound with the silencer!
Without the silencer when riding with the mcs, with the silencer when creeping out in the evening for take outs 😁🤨
Absolutely 100% agree about Two Brothers Racing exhaust systems. In my case it was a full system on a Suzuki 650 V Strom and it was a carbon fibre muffler. It was soooooo much lighter than the idiotically heavy standard exhaust and power was definitely up after fitting it but, that could partly be put down to a surprisingly major weight reduction. The standard system on them also sounded like it was made for running around the halls of a nursing home, it was so boring and ridiculously quiet.
I fitted that system and suddenly it became a real pleasure to ride, that I didn't expect at all but when you've got such a sweet sounding system to listen to that alone can completely change the whole experience. I loved the sound of that bike with that system on it. It was not offensively loud at all but just sounded great. I rode it several times with a go pro on and tried that in 2 completely different locations but as soon as I gave it more than fairly light throttle either something nearby vibrated and messed up the recorded sound or maybe it just swamped the built in microphone which was very disappointing not to be able to play it back and hear it properly now I haven't got that bike. I also have a DRZ 400 Suzuki with a Yoshimura system on it and while I would say it along with several other mods really got that thing moving for such a simple bike it is a bit overly loud so I have to be really careful if there's any cops nearby when I take off from lights or anything because it would get me pulled over if I was stupid enough to give it more throttle than just enough to do the job till I'm well away from them. I did run into a guy at a service station who had one of those Hyosung 650 road bikes with exctactly the same 2 Brothers Exhaust system on it's 650 V twin and I can't say it sounded as good although it was also almost exactly the same motor design it sounded like a heap of shit making a bit more noise than normal so just hearing the 2 together you could easily hear the Suzuki engine ran MUCH better and so much crisper sounding. I think the Hyosung sounded better than with their standard exhaust too but obviously the design and quality of the engine can make a big difference too because that thing didn't sound anywhere near as crisp and clean running as mine on the DL 650 did.
Two Brothers Racing obviously put serious effort into making a really good product, or rather line of products that I'd definitely recommend as a fantastic system that improves your performance simply by removing a stupidly heavy lump of a thing and then who knows how much more by helping it breath so much better too. I traded that DL 650 on a BMW S 1,000 R which 2 years later I got wiped out big time on thanks to an inexperienced idiot launching out in front of me while traveling at 60 mph and putting me in a critical condition and not expected to survive. I've still got the DRZ 400 but that absolutely awesome BMW is gone and now I really wish I hadn't traded that DL 650 in since I can ride a more upright bike like it but sports bikes are out now my shoulders are torn up badly and even on a moderately comfortably laid out bike I can't go more than 60 miles without being in agony and it was a very pleasant bike to ride that I was going to keep but it was just so slow by comparison to that BMW with 160 hp and just insane performance that it was hard to swap to it and enjoy the ride while knowing I could as easily be riding that insane monster. The DL 650 wasn't at all slow, only by comparison to the BMW did it FEEL slow and disappointing.
Absolutely recommend the 2 brothers gear though too. They seriously design a well thought out and very well built system that I'd recommend any day.
straight up have not slept watching all your vids lol
Hahah hell yea! You’re the man!! 🙏🏻
Definitely with the silencer.👍
I was so surprised at how good it sounds with the silencer!
I have a TBR exhaust on my Rebel 500 and love it!
Hi there. I think the original sounds a lot better. Its just sound higher quality more professional engineering. I'm sure the heat shield is more functional on the original. I just love the sound on my Rebel. It's part of the design and the sound really reminds me of my helicopter flying years when I'm cruising.
I think Honda got it perfect.
Why make it sound like everything else when you can have something really unique?
Just a correction, it’s a baffle not a silencer.
It's funny because while i was asking myself the question, you mentionned the passenger and the exhaust direction. Im glad that they also considered this ! It would be sad to have to chose. Have you planned to put the passenger seat ? I don't remember. Cheers ! ✌️💯
I went with the GP Shorty last time after I saw that last video on it. Love it.
u killed it broth...im in love with this bike
Got mine last week. love it. Like to get the silencer too. Thanks for sharing!
Any power loss? When I did my VFR800 without adjusting the mapping I lost noticeable torque/Power specially on low RPMs.You might not notice right away but you will.
Sounds better with the silencer. Long term I think it would be much more pleasant to live with and still livens it up.