@cheerleader4lyfe235 Yes, this is a truly wonderful movie. And Leonor Varela is, especially in this film, one of the most breathtakingly beautiful women in the world! (Good actress, too!)
Even nowadays they like to portray Cleopatra in ancient Egyptian costumes, but in fact the real Cleopatra wore the Greco-Roman fashions of her day. Of course there were some religious ceremonies she would dress as a priestess of Isis, but that is like imagining Queen Elizabeth always wearing a fur-trimmed long robe and a crown on her head every day! Cleopatra was a Hellenistic queen who wore a Greek style chignon hairstyle and it was recorded she wore pearls and emeralds decorating her long flowing tunic like gowns.
@CoachDaKingMRP As to what the early Egyptians looked like, we don't have any photographs to say for sure. However, DNA testing has concluded that Egyptians have not changed much in the last 5,000 years. And the oldest civilizations on record are in Mesopotamia, which is in Asia, not Africa. Afro-centric Egypt seems mostly a politically correct revisionist viewpoint, but not actual history. Nothern Africans have always looked noticably different from their central and southern neighbors.
That's right.All the rumors were made by her enemies.Cleopatra was a linguist.She had a fiery personality and she was very clever too.Even moves she did to seduce Julius Caesar, were extraordinary.
And besides, this conversation has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the historical fact that Cleopatra was a member of the Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great's death, and that Cleopatra herself was Greek-Macedonian and a direct descendant of Ptolemy I, not black or Egyptian or mixed as many Afro-centric types like to claim.
The truth is that Cleopatra had white skin color,but she was Egyptian.Her Greek origin didn't make her less Egyptian.She loved Egypt and she tried the best for her country.She was also the only one of the Ptolemaious' familly who was speaking the Egyptian language.She wasn't very beautiful,but she was very clever.When she first met Julius Caesar she was in a carpet as a present for him.She married Caesar only to save her country from the Romans.Cleopatra is amazing for me.
No, I'm not Euro-centric, I'm history-centric. The only people who think there's a "question" over them having different parents are Afro-centrics who feel the need to "claim" Cleopatra. And the only "black Greeks" were the ones with black hair, as opposed to the ones with lighter hair, such as the Acheans. Cleopatra was Greek-Macedonian of the Ptolemaic dynasty, and most Egyptians at time(and to this day) were bronze-skinned. DNA tests have shown little change over the past 5000 years.
The character casting for Cleopatra in this film is, by far, the most realistic and widely supported by educated people. Educated, well-informed, honest people now readily admit that Cleopatra's mother was in all probability not Greek, but rather Nubian. All of the most recent studies on this topic clearly point in that direction. For decades, black Americans have been saying that Cleopatra was definitely not a Greek woman. Even looking at what little we knew about Cleopatra a century ago, concluding that those scant historical records pointed to someone who was Greek made absolutely no sense at all. Clearly, she didn't have the physical characteristics, the psychology, or the mannerisms of any Greek woman at that time. Yes, her father (Ptolemy XII) was Greek, but her mother obviously was not. During recent decades, Egyptian scholars all over the world have been confirming this. (The vast majority of what is published on the Internet is not scholarly, and most of it is best classified as junk.) According to the most recent findings, her mother was most likely a Nubian concubine. That conclusion makes sense, and it would certainly not have been an unusual situation in Egypt during that time period. Cleopatra thought of herself as Egyptian, not Greek. She didn't like the Romans and she was the only member of her family who spoke the language of the Egyptian people, fluently-which she probably learned from her Nubian mother. Obviously, she was different from any woman Caesar or Mark Anthony had ever seen before. Centuries later, Europeans, preferring to think of her as more like themselves, apparently decided to hide or ignore her ancestry. Black Americans, for the most part, did not object to Elizabeth Taylor's portrayal of Cleopatra. Taylor was well liked and respected by the black community. However, when rumors began to circulate several years ago that an updated remake of Cleopatra was in the planning stages and the role of Cleopatra had been offered to Angelina Jolie, people were outraged. Subsequently, Jolie declined the role. Possibly, even she decided that enough is enough. We know the historical reality. So, let's stop pretending that we don't or that it doesn't exist.
Kleopatra definitely considered herself Greek and Macedonian. Speaking the native language doesn’t indicate anything about ancestry. In fact, you do understand she also spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, Persian, and other languages? Does that mean she was any of those? Nothing about Kleopatra’s features nor her behavior suggests anything non Greek. Do you know why people recently speculate her mother was Nubian? It’s because of remains of an unidentified set of teenage female remains from Ephesus, that the media immediately jumped to conclude were the remains of Kleopatra’s half sister Arsinoe IV. That’s it. The ethnicity of the remains were never conclusive, nor even any connection to the Ptolemaic dynasty. What you’re doing is projecting your opinions on the rest of the world and trying to pass off as “scholarly.” How is what you’re doing in this comment any different from whites making Kleopatra white like you’re accusing them of doing?
What is your source for this (mis)information? No history nor biography ever mentions this. Certainly it never came up at a conference on Cleopatra Thea Philopator at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia several years ago.
@CoachDaKingMRP Cleopatra apparently had Arsinoe killed, along with her two older brothers(one of whom Cleopatra was briefly married to). And the Ptolemies were known to copy the Egyptian practice of "keeping it in the family" for the most part, hence Cleopatra originally being married to her brother. Cleopatra even used her family's lineage to Alexander The Great to maintain her power in Egypt rather than to any Egyptian heritage. The point being, Cleopatra was of Greek-Macedonian ancestry.
@CoachDaKingMRP Remember that Herodotus was Greek, and there is more than one Ethiopia that he could have been talking about. There is the East African country of Ethiopia we know today, and then there is the middle-eastern country of "Aethiopia" which was part of the ancient kingdom of Phoenicia, which is spoken of in greek mythology and was located where modern-day Lebanon is today. So when Herodotus compares the physical appearance of Egyptians to "Ethiopians," which is he referring to?
@CoachDaKingMRP I'm well aware that there was mixing going on throughout ancient history. But we're talking about royal bloodlines here, not commoners. The Ptolemaic dynasty ruled Egypt exclusively by the fact that they were all that was left of Alexander's empire in North Africa, and prided their Greek heritage above all else. And most bronze-skinned North Africans of that time were different in appearance to their darker-skinned sub-saharan neighbors in Nubia and Ethiopa.
No, Cleopatra's sister Arsione IV has already been established as the half-sister of Cleopatra and her brother, Ptolemy XIII. Cleopatra and Arsione had the same father, Ptolemy XII Auletes, but two different mothers. Ptolemy XII Auletes left Cleopatra and Ptolemy XIII as co-rulers of Egypt, but Ptolemy forced Cleopatra out, and she allied herself with Julius Ceasar and Rome to regain her power. Arsione lived in Rome during this time and was ordered to be executed by Mark Antony.
The ancient bronze skinned Egyptians looked very much like they do today, similar to middle easterners, which is where the first civilizations began(Mesopotamia). Black Africans are from the sub-Saharan regions. And Nubia is not Ethiopia, it's northern Sudan, dope. The Greek historian Herodotus himself wrote that of the more than 200 Egyptian Pharaohs, less than 20 were dark-skinned, mostly during the period the Nubians occupied Egypt. They were not native to Egypt.
I was born in the U.S., but I am of Ukrainain, Scottish, and Scandanavian descent, not Native American. Cleopatra was of the Ptolamaic dynasty which is of Macedonian descent from Alexander the Great's general, Ptolemy I. Cleopatra was Egyptian by nationality, not blood. And if you do your history you'll know that the Ptolemies were never in control of Greece/Macedonia, as they were given Egypt when Alexander's empire was divided into four parts after his death. My argument stands, yours falls.
Historically, Cleopatra was never known to be beautiful at all. She was described as very sensual, intelligent, multi-lingual, cunning, and powerful. But, her looks were in question; but, she had the whole package otherwise.
whatever. masculine traits? what we can hear as bullshit. she is beautiful and it's always those who criticize the physique who are ugly and disgusting
@CoachDaKingMRP Not grasping at straws at all. Remember the legend of princess Andromeda, the daughter of King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia of the kingdom of Aethiopia? It was part of Phoenicia -- modern day Lebanon, not Africa. And since there is no evidence that Greeks went into sub-saharan Africa, then why would Herodotus compare the Egyptians to a people south of Sudan? And I never said Cleoptra's younger half-sister Arsinoe's mother was Nubian, just that she had African ancestry.
@CoachDaKingMRP Also, Cleopatra had a sister whose body was discovered as having African features, but she was only her half-sister, as they had the same father but different mothers. This is why the sister could never be a royal, as she was not of full Ptolemaic blood. Cleopatra was most certainly an olive-skinned Greek woman. The Afro-centric view of ancient Egypt suggesting that the population of a continent all look alike is not true. Indians and Chinese are Asian, but look nothing alike.
@CoachDaKingMRP I know about Herodotus, and he wrote that of the 300-plus Egyptian Pharaohs, only a handful(18-20) were dark-skinned. This was during the 75-year occupation of Egypt by the Nubians, who invaded Egypt and were a constant rival during their history. This is why they are called "Nubians" and not "Egyptians." Egypt is an oft-conquered country, and everyone from the Nubians, Greeks, Persians, and Romans had occupied them at one point or another, hence the rather mixed population.
@KingTutankhamun100 Well, I was not referring to her dress but rather to how the actress was made up. Cleo did have some Greek blood in her; also, she lived in and among North Africans- a somewhat different group of people than the sub Sahara natives that I believe you are referring to. Cleo probably had a mixture of Greek and North African features; she was probably not as light skinned as Elizabeth Taylor; nor is this actress light skinned, but she still had some European features.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no evidence that Cleopatra was anything but Greek-Macedonian. She wasn't mixed because she and Arsione had different mothers. The Ptolemies tended to marry within their own families, copying the ancient Egyptians. That's why Cleopatra was married to her own brother, Ptolemey XIII. Cleopatra's father was a direct descendant of Ptolemy I of Macedon, and her mother was her father's sister/cousin, Cleopatra V.
And more recent DNA tests on Y chromosomes of Egyptians(which they didn't have in 1974) have shown that the Egyptains of today have not changed much from the Egyptians of 5000 years ago. Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop's theories have also been met with ctiticism as well. And Dr. Diop never said that the Egyptians looked the same as West Africans, but that Africans had a diverse range of physical appearances. This is true, and bronze-skinned north Africans do not look like sub-saharan Africans.
And I know that middle-eastern isnt' a race, but middle-easterners have certiain physical characteristics that are consistent with North Africans, such as bronze to olive skin color and bone structure. Africans from the sub Saharan region are different, and it states the difference in the American Journal Of Human Biology. You can only claim Egyptian heritage by being "part" Egyptian, but Egyptians themselves are not "black" and never were, and Cleopatra was Greek, whether you like it or not.
Guys Guys Guys chill. They think Cleo may have been biracial based on her sisters remains, which was biracial in appearance, sharing both black and white features. They think Cleo may have been the same. It seems that researchers aren't 100% sure what she really looked like. So if she was mixed raced, we both win.
The actress looks a lot like my eldest daughter. Maybe she has a secret life........................! Lighten up people & stop arguing about the race of the Ancient Egyptians. They were...............well, Egyptian. Peace
I suppose you're going to say that native American Indians are black because they have a different skin tone as well? LOL Sorry, but DNA tests have alrady confirmed that Egyptians from 5000 years ago were not much different from present-day Egyptians, and is different from the DNA of sub-saharan Africans. And Cleopatra's lineage is Greek-Macedonian of the Ptolemaic dynasty after Alexander the Great, and all of your whining isn't going to change that.
I was waiting for you to reply. I knew exactly who i was replying to i wanted my cooment to be with my reply post because i didn't want it seperated. Since you know oh so much. And if you want to claim what Herodotus said are you forgeting that Herodoctus stated that the Egyptians skin color was similar to the Nubians. If you know anything about the Nubians all an Egyptian was, was a Nubian/Ethiopian that migrated North to Egypt
And you already proved you don't really know what you're talking about because you didn't seem to know that India was part of Antarctica and crashed into Asia millions of years before humans even existed, so why should anything you say have merit?
I understand that your knowledge of history is weak and that you probably only know what you read on the internet, but perhaps you would be better served by going to school and not making up history as you go along? Cleopatra was Greek-Macedonian. Her half-sister Arsione was the illigetimate child of Cleopatra's father and an Egyptian woman. Ignoring history in order to "claim" her and Egypt is just that, ignorance. You'd be better off studying the civilizations of Nubia and Ethiopia.
No, Herodotus stated that out of the 200 + Egyptian Pharaohs less than 20 had Nubian skin color, and this was during the period when Nubia occupied Egypt as an invading force. Egyptians don't look like Nubians, never have, and DNA tests on Egyptian Y chromosomes have confirmed this. And you're the one who seems infatuated since you keep replying. lol You may be part Egyptian, but that's the part of you that isn't black, since Egyptians and north Africans are bronze-skinned Mediterranians.
And your relatives' hair color is irrelevant because we're not talking about modern African Americans, we're talking about the Egyptians and the Greeks of more than 2000 years ago.
And I know i'm mixed i'm proud of who i am.Your not Egyptian or part Egyptian so who are you trying to tell someone their own history. How about you go and try to learn about your ancestry and leave ours alone. I know you infactuated with us and can't live without us but get a life. Thank Youuuu :)
Well we ALL Know a very old Lierature Called the bible and in the bible theres the old testament and in the old testament there is the story of noah who had three sons shem ham and japeth each sons name meant something hams name meant burnt refering to his complexion it was very dark Hams SONs are Named Cush Egypt Put and Canaan all have the same dark complexion Egypt is hams son his offspring created the empire egypt
Yeah, and his name is also spelled Herotodus, not "Herodoctus" like you spelled it. You also spelled "cooment" and "infactuated," so you're really not one to comment on typos, fool. lol And I'm sorry, but all you've got for an argument is "because I say so," when every repected historian in the world things this Afro-centric revision of Egypt is laughable. The historical facts and DNA evidence are all against you, buddy.
This actress has probably the closest resemblance to the historical Cleopatra.
She's so beautiful!
To me, she is the best for the role of Cleopatra!
I agree!!!
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No matter what she's a beautiful woman!!!
@cheerleader4lyfe235 Yes, this is a truly wonderful movie. And Leonor Varela is, especially in this film, one of the most breathtakingly beautiful women in the world! (Good actress, too!)
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Even nowadays they like to portray Cleopatra in ancient Egyptian costumes, but in fact the real Cleopatra wore the Greco-Roman fashions of her day. Of course there were some religious ceremonies she would dress as a priestess of Isis, but that is like imagining Queen Elizabeth always wearing a fur-trimmed long robe and a crown on her head every day! Cleopatra was a Hellenistic queen who wore a Greek style chignon hairstyle and it was recorded she wore pearls and emeralds decorating her long flowing tunic like gowns.
Ms. AnniKralli97: You go, girl! I see you know your history! Kudos!
@CoachDaKingMRP As to what the early Egyptians looked like, we don't have any photographs to say for sure. However, DNA testing has concluded that Egyptians have not changed much in the last 5,000 years. And the oldest civilizations on record are in Mesopotamia, which is in Asia, not Africa. Afro-centric Egypt seems mostly a politically correct revisionist viewpoint, but not actual history. Nothern Africans have always looked noticably different from their central and southern neighbors.
That's right.All the rumors were made by her enemies.Cleopatra was a linguist.She had a fiery personality and she was very clever too.Even moves she did to seduce Julius Caesar, were extraordinary.
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And besides, this conversation has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the historical fact that Cleopatra was a member of the Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great's death, and that Cleopatra herself was Greek-Macedonian and a direct descendant of Ptolemy I, not black or Egyptian or mixed as many Afro-centric types like to claim.
The truth is that Cleopatra had white skin color,but she was Egyptian.Her Greek origin didn't make her less Egyptian.She loved Egypt and she tried the best for her country.She was also the only one of the Ptolemaious' familly who was speaking the Egyptian language.She wasn't very beautiful,but she was very clever.When she first met Julius Caesar she was in a carpet as a present for him.She married Caesar only to save her country from the Romans.Cleopatra is amazing for me.
No, I'm not Euro-centric, I'm history-centric. The only people who think there's a "question" over them having different parents are Afro-centrics who feel the need to "claim" Cleopatra. And the only "black Greeks" were the ones with black hair, as opposed to the ones with lighter hair, such as the Acheans. Cleopatra was Greek-Macedonian of the Ptolemaic dynasty, and most Egyptians at time(and to this day) were bronze-skinned. DNA tests have shown little change over the past 5000 years.
The character casting for Cleopatra in this film is, by far, the most realistic and widely supported by educated people. Educated, well-informed, honest people now readily admit that Cleopatra's mother was in all probability not Greek, but rather Nubian. All of the most recent studies on this topic clearly point in that direction.
For decades, black Americans have been saying that Cleopatra was definitely not a Greek woman. Even looking at what little we knew about Cleopatra a century ago, concluding that those scant historical records pointed to someone who was Greek made absolutely no sense at all. Clearly, she didn't have the physical characteristics, the psychology, or the mannerisms of any Greek woman at that time. Yes, her father (Ptolemy XII) was Greek, but her mother obviously was not. During recent decades, Egyptian scholars all over the world have been confirming this. (The vast majority of what is published on the Internet is not scholarly, and most of it is best classified as junk.) According to the most recent findings, her mother was most likely a Nubian concubine. That conclusion makes sense, and it would certainly not have been an unusual situation in Egypt during that time period. Cleopatra thought of herself as Egyptian, not Greek. She didn't like the Romans and she was the only member of her family who spoke the language of the Egyptian people, fluently-which she probably learned from her Nubian mother. Obviously, she was different from any woman Caesar or Mark Anthony had ever seen before. Centuries later, Europeans, preferring to think of her as more like themselves, apparently decided to hide or ignore her ancestry.
Black Americans, for the most part, did not object to Elizabeth Taylor's portrayal of Cleopatra. Taylor was well liked and respected by the black community. However, when rumors began to circulate several years ago that an updated remake of Cleopatra was in the planning stages and the role of Cleopatra had been offered to Angelina Jolie, people were outraged. Subsequently, Jolie declined the role. Possibly, even she decided that enough is enough. We know the historical reality. So, let's stop pretending that we don't or that it doesn't exist.
Kleopatra definitely considered herself Greek and Macedonian. Speaking the native language doesn’t indicate anything about ancestry. In fact, you do understand she also spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, Persian, and other languages? Does that mean she was any of those? Nothing about Kleopatra’s features nor her behavior suggests anything non Greek. Do you know why people recently speculate her mother was Nubian? It’s because of remains of an unidentified set of teenage female remains from Ephesus, that the media immediately jumped to conclude were the remains of Kleopatra’s half sister Arsinoe IV. That’s it. The ethnicity of the remains were never conclusive, nor even any connection to the Ptolemaic dynasty.
What you’re doing is projecting your opinions on the rest of the world and trying to pass off as “scholarly.” How is what you’re doing in this comment any different from whites making Kleopatra white like you’re accusing them of doing?
What is your source for this (mis)information? No history nor biography ever mentions this. Certainly it never came up at a conference on Cleopatra Thea Philopator at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia several years ago.
@CoachDaKingMRP Cleopatra apparently had Arsinoe killed, along with her two older brothers(one of whom Cleopatra was briefly married to). And the Ptolemies were known to copy the Egyptian practice of "keeping it in the family" for the most part, hence Cleopatra originally being married to her brother. Cleopatra even used her family's lineage to Alexander The Great to maintain her power in Egypt rather than to any Egyptian heritage. The point being, Cleopatra was of Greek-Macedonian ancestry.
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@CoachDaKingMRP Remember that Herodotus was Greek, and there is more than one Ethiopia that he could have been talking about. There is the East African country of Ethiopia we know today, and then there is the middle-eastern country of "Aethiopia" which was part of the ancient kingdom of Phoenicia, which is spoken of in greek mythology and was located where modern-day Lebanon is today. So when Herodotus compares the physical appearance of Egyptians to "Ethiopians," which is he referring to?
@KingTutankhamun100 And why, exactly, do you feel that way?
@CoachDaKingMRP I'm well aware that there was mixing going on throughout ancient history. But we're talking about royal bloodlines here, not commoners. The Ptolemaic dynasty ruled Egypt exclusively by the fact that they were all that was left of Alexander's empire in North Africa, and prided their Greek heritage above all else. And most bronze-skinned North Africans of that time were different in appearance to their darker-skinned sub-saharan neighbors in Nubia and Ethiopa.
Thank you Ms. Asley1323,I'm trying. :)
No, Cleopatra's sister Arsione IV has already been established as the half-sister of Cleopatra and her brother, Ptolemy XIII. Cleopatra and Arsione had the same father, Ptolemy XII Auletes, but two different mothers. Ptolemy XII Auletes left Cleopatra and Ptolemy XIII as co-rulers of Egypt, but Ptolemy forced Cleopatra out, and she allied herself with Julius Ceasar and Rome to regain her power. Arsione lived in Rome during this time and was ordered to be executed by Mark Antony.
The ancient bronze skinned Egyptians looked very much like they do today, similar to middle easterners, which is where the first civilizations began(Mesopotamia). Black Africans are from the sub-Saharan regions. And Nubia is not Ethiopia, it's northern Sudan, dope. The Greek historian Herodotus himself wrote that of the more than 200 Egyptian Pharaohs, less than 20 were dark-skinned, mostly during the period the Nubians occupied Egypt. They were not native to Egypt.
I was born in the U.S., but I am of Ukrainain, Scottish, and Scandanavian descent, not Native American. Cleopatra was of the Ptolamaic dynasty which is of Macedonian descent from Alexander the Great's general, Ptolemy I. Cleopatra was Egyptian by nationality, not blood. And if you do your history you'll know that the Ptolemies were never in control of Greece/Macedonia, as they were given Egypt when Alexander's empire was divided into four parts after his death. My argument stands, yours falls.
Historically, Cleopatra was never known to be beautiful at all. She was described as very sensual, intelligent, multi-lingual, cunning, and powerful. But, her looks were in question; but, she had the whole package otherwise.
This woman has very strong masculine features. Not at all like an Egyptian. She appears more Indian.
whatever. masculine traits? what we can hear as bullshit. she is beautiful and it's always those who criticize the physique who are ugly and disgusting
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@CoachDaKingMRP Not grasping at straws at all. Remember the legend of princess Andromeda, the daughter of King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia of the kingdom of Aethiopia? It was part of Phoenicia -- modern day Lebanon, not Africa. And since there is no evidence that Greeks went into sub-saharan Africa, then why would Herodotus compare the Egyptians to a people south of Sudan? And I never said Cleoptra's younger half-sister Arsinoe's mother was Nubian, just that she had African ancestry.
@CoachDaKingMRP Also, Cleopatra had a sister whose body was discovered as having African features, but she was only her half-sister, as they had the same father but different mothers. This is why the sister could never be a royal, as she was not of full Ptolemaic blood. Cleopatra was most certainly an olive-skinned Greek woman. The Afro-centric view of ancient Egypt suggesting that the population of a continent all look alike is not true. Indians and Chinese are Asian, but look nothing alike.
Alexander the Great...I won't say nothing more.
@europeer I think she was every bit as good a Liz (Taylor, in the equally magnificent '63 version)!!
@CoachDaKingMRP I know about Herodotus, and he wrote that of the 300-plus Egyptian Pharaohs, only a handful(18-20) were dark-skinned. This was during the 75-year occupation of Egypt by the Nubians, who invaded Egypt and were a constant rival during their history. This is why they are called "Nubians" and not "Egyptians." Egypt is an oft-conquered country, and everyone from the Nubians, Greeks, Persians, and Romans had occupied them at one point or another, hence the rather mixed population.
Oh trust me I'm brown an you really think im upset im laughing my ass off at you, your quite entertaing :) :*
@KingTutankhamun100 Well, I was not referring to her dress but rather to how the actress was made up. Cleo did have some Greek blood in her; also, she lived in and among North Africans- a somewhat different group of people than the sub Sahara natives that I believe you are referring to. Cleo probably had a mixture of Greek and North African features; she was probably not as light skinned as Elizabeth Taylor; nor is this actress light skinned, but she still had some European features.
Cleopatra was majority Greek and Macedonian. She wasn’t North African.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no evidence that Cleopatra was anything but Greek-Macedonian. She wasn't mixed because she and Arsione had different mothers. The Ptolemies tended to marry within their own families, copying the ancient Egyptians. That's why Cleopatra was married to her own brother, Ptolemey XIII. Cleopatra's father was a direct descendant of Ptolemy I of Macedon, and her mother was her father's sister/cousin, Cleopatra V.
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And more recent DNA tests on Y chromosomes of Egyptians(which they didn't have in 1974) have shown that the Egyptains of today have not changed much from the Egyptians of 5000 years ago. Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop's theories have also been met with ctiticism as well. And Dr. Diop never said that the Egyptians looked the same as West Africans, but that Africans had a diverse range of physical appearances. This is true, and bronze-skinned north Africans do not look like sub-saharan Africans.
And I know that middle-eastern isnt' a race, but middle-easterners have certiain physical characteristics that are consistent with North Africans, such as bronze to olive skin color and bone structure. Africans from the sub Saharan region are different, and it states the difference in the American Journal Of Human Biology. You can only claim Egyptian heritage by being "part" Egyptian, but Egyptians themselves are not "black" and never were, and Cleopatra was Greek, whether you like it or not.
And DNA tests still conclude that Egyptians today are not that much different than they were 5,000 years ago. :)
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Guys Guys Guys chill. They think Cleo may have been biracial based on her sisters remains, which was biracial in appearance, sharing both black and white features. They think Cleo may have been the same. It seems that researchers aren't 100% sure what she really looked like. So if she was mixed raced, we both win.
Those remains in Ephesus have never been proven to be those of anyone related to Kleopatra. Nor were they proven to be of a mixed ancestry.
The actress looks a lot like my eldest daughter.
Maybe she has a secret life........................!
Lighten up people & stop arguing about the race of the Ancient Egyptians.
They were...............well, Egyptian.
Peace
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I suppose you're going to say that native American Indians are black because they have a different skin tone as well? LOL Sorry, but DNA tests have alrady confirmed that Egyptians from 5000 years ago were not much different from present-day Egyptians, and is different from the DNA of sub-saharan Africans. And Cleopatra's lineage is Greek-Macedonian of the Ptolemaic dynasty after Alexander the Great, and all of your whining isn't going to change that.
I was waiting for you to reply. I knew exactly who i was replying to i wanted my cooment to be with my reply post because i didn't want it seperated. Since you know oh so much. And if you want to claim what Herodotus said are you forgeting that Herodoctus stated that the Egyptians skin color was similar to the Nubians. If you know anything about the Nubians all an Egyptian was, was a Nubian/Ethiopian that migrated North to Egypt
And you already proved you don't really know what you're talking about because you didn't seem to know that India was part of Antarctica and crashed into Asia millions of years before humans even existed, so why should anything you say have merit?
I wonder when they're ever gonna get an Asian woman to play Cleopatra lol?!
I understand that your knowledge of history is weak and that you probably only know what you read on the internet, but perhaps you would be better served by going to school and not making up history as you go along? Cleopatra was Greek-Macedonian. Her half-sister Arsione was the illigetimate child of Cleopatra's father and an Egyptian woman. Ignoring history in order to "claim" her and Egypt is just that, ignorance. You'd be better off studying the civilizations of Nubia and Ethiopia.
Looks like Hindi girl , cleopatra was Greek
No, Herodotus stated that out of the 200 + Egyptian Pharaohs less than 20 had Nubian skin color, and this was during the period when Nubia occupied Egypt as an invading force. Egyptians don't look like Nubians, never have, and DNA tests on Egyptian Y chromosomes have confirmed this. And you're the one who seems infatuated since you keep replying. lol You may be part Egyptian, but that's the part of you that isn't black, since Egyptians and north Africans are bronze-skinned Mediterranians.
@CoachDaKingMRP you guys sure no alot about history what is this debate about
And your relatives' hair color is irrelevant because we're not talking about modern African Americans, we're talking about the Egyptians and the Greeks of more than 2000 years ago.
And I know i'm mixed i'm proud of who i am.Your not Egyptian or part Egyptian so who are you trying to tell someone their own history. How about you go and try to learn about your ancestry and leave ours alone. I know you infactuated with us and can't live without us but get a life. Thank Youuuu :)
Well we ALL Know a very old Lierature Called the bible and in the bible theres the old testament and in the old testament there is the story of noah who had three sons shem ham and japeth each sons name meant something hams name meant burnt refering to his complexion it was very dark Hams SONs are Named Cush Egypt Put and Canaan all have the same dark complexion Egypt is hams son his offspring created the empire egypt
Yeah, and his name is also spelled Herotodus, not "Herodoctus" like you spelled it. You also spelled "cooment" and "infactuated," so you're really not one to comment on typos, fool. lol And I'm sorry, but all you've got for an argument is "because I say so," when every repected historian in the world things this Afro-centric revision of Egypt is laughable. The historical facts and DNA evidence are all against you, buddy.
Boring!
What? Not at all. She has very strong masculine features. She appears more Indian than anything else. Not brilliant casting at all.
Elizabeth tailor is better than she