Russian Circular Warships - Guide 112

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • The two circular warships of the Imperial Russian Navy, are today's subject.
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Komentáře • 723

  • @Maddog3060
    @Maddog3060 Před 5 lety +891

    They're like aquatic roombas.

    • @slojogojo2766
      @slojogojo2766 Před 5 lety +9

      Maddog3060 NICE !

    • @markblakey3456
      @markblakey3456 Před 5 lety +51

      Imagine the size of the cat needed to ride that one. Huuuuuggggeeee.

    • @Maddog3060
      @Maddog3060 Před 5 lety +7

      @@markblakey3456 czcams.com/video/TayTHX_FgvY/video.html Something like those I'd imagine.

    • @fistpunder
      @fistpunder Před 4 lety +5

      Maddog3060 That comment actually made me laugh Out loud!

    • @kentnebergall3156
      @kentnebergall3156 Před 4 lety +7

      @@markblakey3456
      Out - Czar Bomba
      In - Czar Kiska (OK, I realize that means "king female cat", but it doesn't work as a wordplay pun otherwise.)

  • @richardscott1397
    @richardscott1397 Před 5 lety +652

    "20 degrees to starboard." " Which starboard captain?"

    • @Elenrai
      @Elenrai Před 5 lety +75

      "Just pick one that suits you I guess..." *Sigh*

    • @VersusARCH
      @VersusARCH Před 5 lety +59

      I think they used clockwise-counterclockwise on those two.

    • @lesamos8900
      @lesamos8900 Před 5 lety +1

      thats right down a bit, dick head.

    • @rolfs2165
      @rolfs2165 Před 3 lety +11

      Unless you're putting the screws all around the ship, there's at least one direction that can be declared aft - and everything else can be derived from that.

    • @PS-nf3xw
      @PS-nf3xw Před 3 lety +2

      amos navy lark?

  • @Lazarus7000
    @Lazarus7000 Před 5 lety +187

    As soon as I saw where the screws are, I thought "I bet they could do some wacky shit with differential thrust" and indeed they could.

    • @DeHerg
      @DeHerg Před 4 lety +24

      They could've turned the entire ship into one big turret (if you really want to go crazy with ballast tanks front and aft for elevation).

    • @patrickdertz9110
      @patrickdertz9110 Před 4 lety +5

      DeHerg an aquatic s tank

  • @joearnold6881
    @joearnold6881 Před 5 lety +795

    Oh I assumed these would be more hypotheticals.
    They actually built the things?!
    I love it and want one as a pet.

    • @b.griffin317
      @b.griffin317 Před 5 lety +70

      apparently so did the tzar.

    • @JLPicard1648
      @JLPicard1648 Před 5 lety +22

      ...they should've sent a poet...

    • @davidlogansr8007
      @davidlogansr8007 Před 5 lety +33

      You couldn’t afford to feed it!

    • @b.griffin317
      @b.griffin317 Před 5 lety +33

      @@davidlogansr8007 ya, 11.5" shells aren't as cheap as they used to be.

    • @ethanpoole3443
      @ethanpoole3443 Před 5 lety +19

      What can one say, those crazy Russians! But a good crazy as one clearly needs more humor in war...and if your enemies are keeled over with laughter as you spin about dizzying everyone then they certainly aren’t shooting at you!

  • @lostpony4885
    @lostpony4885 Před 5 lety +279

    Well rounded ships. Literally.

  • @2manyIce
    @2manyIce Před 5 lety +93

    "No matter if it is a good idea or not, as long as you can actually build it, someone WILL build it." First Law of Engineering proven right again....

  • @pickeljarsforhillary102
    @pickeljarsforhillary102 Před 5 lety +765

    You spin me right round, baby
    Right round like a record, baby
    Right round round round

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 Před 5 lety +21

      For the Monitor with it's revolving turret firing as the target came into view I thought Pop goes the Weasel would be a good theme to play.

    • @andybrooks3155
      @andybrooks3155 Před 5 lety +14

      I can't see or hear of this (song) without thinking of meat spin... Not your fault of course. But thank you, for that horrible reminder! To anyone else, don't even think about looking, trust me you don't want to too!

    • @johnsobery
      @johnsobery Před 5 lety +14

      Flat bottom girls make the rocking world go round

    • @JosipRadnik1
      @JosipRadnik1 Před 5 lety +4

      @@andybrooks3155
      What's wrong with 80ies disco synth beats and fancy pirate looks in neon colour tones?
      If you lived through it, you know the answer: everything!

    • @claypidgeon4807
      @claypidgeon4807 Před 5 lety +2

      **meatspin flashbacks**

  • @punkypink83
    @punkypink83 Před 5 lety +829

    the original UFO
    unique floating object

  • @bigblue6917
    @bigblue6917 Před 5 lety +150

    Brings a whole new meaning to just taking it out for a spin.

  • @Arthion
    @Arthion Před 5 lety +33

    The pancake-ship concept sounds interesting. Perhaps not the most practical but the ability to rotate extremely quickly by adjusting the engines sounds pretty useful

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback Před 5 lety +7

      Makes you wonder why the guns werent in a fixed direction. Fuck aiming just point the ship hahaha

  • @WillowEpp
    @WillowEpp Před 5 lety +113

    Ah, the majestic Sea Pancake!

    • @benjaminmiddaugh2729
      @benjaminmiddaugh2729 Před 5 lety +8

      Combined with the flying flapjack we've started an interesting design trend.

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Před 4 lety +12

      The Battle Blin

  • @norbertblackrain2379
    @norbertblackrain2379 Před 5 lety +188

    Well at least they were innovative ... thank you for correcting some of the myths about this unusual design.

    • @matthewlovibond900
      @matthewlovibond900 Před 5 lety +7

      Yes the QI researchers need to watch this.

    • @donjones4719
      @donjones4719 Před 3 lety +1

      @@matthewlovibond900 Ha! I just watched a clip of QI (a British TV show, folks) about this and it made me go and watch this Drachinefel one again. Yup, QI repeated the two myths.

  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  Před 5 lety +185

    Pinned post for Q&A :)
    Edit: Yes for some reason I mixed up Baltic and Black Seas... :(

    • @Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
      @Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan Před 5 lety +5

      Could a second Vanguard have been built using the turrets from the Erebus & Roberts class monitors and if so would this have had an effect on the service of the class (particularly potential longer service and deployments to Suez, Korea and Malaysia).
      In addition my apologies for the volume of questions I have posted over time, I feel this may have be rather excessive.
      Edit: Replace Marshal Ney with Erebus as Marshal Neys' turrets were used in the Roberts class.

    • @stephenmichalski2643
      @stephenmichalski2643 Před 5 lety +3

      Please clarify......constructed on Baltic........for use on Black Sea?........or for Baltic?

    • @santiago5388
      @santiago5388 Před 5 lety +12

      @@stephenmichalski2643 They were built in and for the Black Sea

    • @stephenmichalski2643
      @stephenmichalski2643 Před 5 lety +1

      @@santiago5388 Thank you.......appreciate it......have a great weekend.

    • @USS_Grey_Ghost
      @USS_Grey_Ghost Před 5 lety

      What is a Ship of State

  • @L0stEngineer
    @L0stEngineer Před 5 lety +336

    Russia: I dare you to try cross my T now!!

  • @lahma69
    @lahma69 Před 5 lety +43

    I just found your channel after watching your video on the Russian Second Pacific Squadron (which has to be the funniest documentary I've ever watched). After watching this 2nd video, I think I'm hooked. You are great at conveying concise, detailed information in an efficient manner that is both educational and fun to watch. Keep up the great work.

  • @roteba1
    @roteba1 Před 5 lety +73

    It's pleasing to know that these designs, though impractical, were not totally impractical. A worthy attempt to try something new from a Navy not renowned for its history of technical innovation at the time.

    • @magnemoe1
      @magnemoe1 Před 5 lety +10

      Now, you could build on the design, I would drop the turret using barbetes for fine adjustment and just aim the ship tank destroyer style.
      Obviously very sloped armor both on hull and superstructure, have fun sinking it in 1880.
      Yes pummeling fire would kill it fast but that was 20 century technology.
      And yes warships of late 19th century is so fascinating as nobody had much experience and you had wildly conflicting requirements.
      Turrets on sail ships is my favorite.

    • @kategrant2728
      @kategrant2728 Před 5 lety +2

      With such a narrow draft, I wonder how they’d do in a coastal bombardment roll?

    • @stevecummins324
      @stevecummins324 Před 4 lety

      Didn't have it then, but wonder how such would do with waterjet propulsion? And if enough power for weight could possibly be made as a planning Hull, with much lower drag.

    • @VersusARCH
      @VersusARCH Před rokem

      Russian and Soviet navies were often quite innovative. Not that it always worked well...

  • @testingapparatus9868
    @testingapparatus9868 Před 5 lety +94

    3:11 “restrictions on baltic fleet”- shows a picture of the black sea

    • @robdgaming
      @robdgaming Před 4 lety +9

      As others have probably pointed out, these were built for Black Sea service, not Baltic as in the narration. Confusingly, one was built in St. Petersburg, but transferred to the Baltic via rivers and canals in pieces prior to final assembly.

    • @angicola4910
      @angicola4910 Před 4 lety +1

      @@robdgaming That's really weird.

    • @myparceltape1169
      @myparceltape1169 Před 3 lety +1

      @@angicola4910 Building in pieces and transferring them to the location of final assembly is still done with aircraft. Not only the engines.
      There are several ships floating on large lakes several feet above sea level, where the parts were made.
      Ships boilers have been transported along public roads on the way to the ship under construction.

    • @angicola4910
      @angicola4910 Před 3 lety +2

      @@myparceltape1169 Oh, I thought it meant in one piece. That makes sense.

  • @captainloggy140
    @captainloggy140 Před 5 lety +60

    I guess another advantage of a round hull would be that shells always would hit at an angle, significantly increasing the effective armour thickness.

    • @dullen2810
      @dullen2810 Před 2 lety +16

      Not really. The center of the ship would also be presenting effectively flat armor no matter what angle you shoot at it from.

  • @URL358
    @URL358 Před 5 lety +17

    Surprising quality of pronunciation of russian names. I'm impressed.

  • @lightypower3412
    @lightypower3412 Před 5 lety +44

    We need only two things now: a circular aircraft carrier and a Novogrod shipgirl for AL.

  • @jebes909090
    @jebes909090 Před 4 lety +25

    Officer "They're firing on us comrade captain!!"
    Captain "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"

  • @BrettonFerguson
    @BrettonFerguson Před 4 lety +65

    When he said it took and hour to turn, I thought, "couldn't you just turn off half the engines and it would spin almost instantly?"
    A minute later I was confirmed right.

  • @exharkhun5605
    @exharkhun5605 Před 5 lety +85

    That's a hell of a cliffhanger, waving that golden dinner plate in our faces and going Nope.

    • @lostpony4885
      @lostpony4885 Před 5 lety

      Hes got a mean streak.

    • @robmanueb.
      @robmanueb. Před 5 lety +1

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_yacht_Livadia_(1880)

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 Před 5 lety

      The video for that is now up. Love, the Future

  • @alicaljungberg3742
    @alicaljungberg3742 Před 5 lety +29

    10:00 this is amazing. They basically had the ability to do a naval 360-noscope if they wanted to add humiliation to injury.

    • @kameronwillison5378
      @kameronwillison5378 Před 4 lety +8

      Ah yes. So that means the Monitor's guns weren't malfunctioning at Hampton Roads, she was just 360 noscoping the Virginia

  • @kilikus822
    @kilikus822 Před 5 lety +32

    For you see Ivan, If you make ship into circle you are always ready to broadside enemy!

    • @jazldazl9193
      @jazldazl9193 Před 5 lety

      and ready for quick escape

    • @Tsototar
      @Tsototar Před 5 lety +1

      @@jazldazl9193 I think you mean ready for *slow* escape! :-P. (six knots??)

    • @admDanRyan
      @admDanRyan Před 3 lety

      I- well played

  • @CountessKek
    @CountessKek Před 2 měsíci +1

    My Pops, who passed at 93 in 2021, was a Navy officer and he would have SO enjoyed this! Before becoming an officer, he was on the USS Ticonderoga. I remember his pride of her when they had a family ship tour day in San Diego, i was 6 yrs old. What a huge ship!! I was astounded it has airplanes on it😂. Ty for the memories!

  • @Dragons_Armory
    @Dragons_Armory Před 5 lety +196

    Ah, the Russians, made this and the Tsar Tank
    Never stop, Russia. You always make history much more interesting. 🤪👍

    • @whee38
      @whee38 Před 5 lety +24

      To be fair to the Tsar tank, it was meant for use on the icy Russian tundra. In theory, the small points of contact would be on near solid ice

    • @opforind
      @opforind Před 5 lety +22

      Don’t forget the erkanoplan!

    • @BadWebDiver
      @BadWebDiver Před 5 lety +17

      @@opforind *Nobody* can forget the erkanoplan! Anyone who's seen it has that image with them for life. Especially watching video footage! O_O _(It .. it doesn't fly???!!!!)_

    • @TheCrankyCow
      @TheCrankyCow Před 5 lety +11

      ​@@whee38 Tsar tank also never got out of testing phase.
      It's flaws were noticed rather quickly and it was abandoned.

    • @MrAranton
      @MrAranton Před 5 lety +20

      To be fair: For most of its history Russia and her industry have been technologically backward compared the countries in Western Europe and the US. They knew using traditional concepts and wisdom they wouldn't be able to build something on par with western warships or tanks with the industry they had, so they started to think outside the box. Thinking outside can fail spectacularly, but it can suceed spectacularly; it gave Russia the Tzar Tank, but it also gave them the T-34.

  • @The_Laughing_Cavalier
    @The_Laughing_Cavalier Před 5 lety +74

    Tsar: Yeah what?
    Popov: * draws circle * That. That's what
    Tsar: What, it's a circle. It's a good circle I'll give you that...
    Popov: No. No, no... Warship
    Tsar: What?
    Popov: Yup
    Tsar: What?
    Popov: Yup, it is
    Tsar: No way!
    Popov: It is. It is... big time

    • @PaperclipClips
      @PaperclipClips Před 5 lety +16

      The Laughing Cavalier [ Emperor draws a circle with a dot in the middle ]
      Emperor : THAT will be our ultimate weapon!
      Death Vader : ... a boobie?
      Emperor: What?! No, not a boobie!!!

    • @karansjet3823
      @karansjet3823 Před 5 lety +14

      I feel it went more like:
      Tsar; Popov pass me the Vodka
      Popov: Vwarship?
      T: No, Popov give me a bottle of Vodka, the round thing.
      P: Round Vwarship?
      T: Sigh.. Okay Popov, round warship..
      P: Here's your Vodka your highness

  • @Macintoshiba
    @Macintoshiba Před 5 lety +33

    "Minor details like Buoyancy"

  • @coreymicallef365
    @coreymicallef365 Před 4 lety +5

    I kind of like this idea, I mean they wouldn't be practical fleet ships but they could be churned out of a shipyard or two and used as self mobile coastal defence batteries that can be deployed and redeployed as needed. Fit them AA guns, depth charge launchers, and sonar and they could be fairly useful additions to a coastal city's defences.

  • @evanulven8249
    @evanulven8249 Před 5 lety +104

    Stuff like this is why I love Russian engineering. The rest of the world used slow, plodding advances that often end up as incremental improvements. The Russians kick that aside and go for something utterly screwball, often discovering that it actually works.

    • @BHuang92
      @BHuang92 Před 5 lety +38

      Most of the time, they fail spectacularly.............

    • @opforind
      @opforind Před 5 lety +28

      Well like everywhere they have 2 different types of engineers. Those that simplify and those that over complicate. It seems like during peace time the engineers that over complicate are allowed free reign. Then during wartime reality takes hold and simple reliable designs get a chance to shine.

    • @proudtitanicdenier4300
      @proudtitanicdenier4300 Před 5 lety +4

      @@BHuang92 There always has to be that guy who has to be a dick.

    • @slojogojo2766
      @slojogojo2766 Před 5 lety +1

      BHuang92 Have you ever heard of the "Ribbon Bridge"?

    • @Rammstein0963.
      @Rammstein0963. Před 5 lety +3

      @Evan Ulvan
      Don't forget their tendency to make war machines that are both overly large as well as so visually offensive that your eyes bleed just trying to behold them....but they don't care as Russians have generally always favored function to the near or total exclusion of form, they don't care if it rapes your eyes looking at it as long as it does what it's designed for.

  • @vernonbear
    @vernonbear Před 4 lety +7

    For mankind to improve and move forward we must take missteps or make mistakes. These ships are amazing examples of exactly that process. What seems like an obvious solution to a problem is an obvious mistake with our benefit of hindsight. We need designers and inventors who push those boundaries and who take the risks. It makes looking back through history both fascinating and amusing 😀

  • @Irondrone4
    @Irondrone4 Před 5 lety +8

    The Russians in the tabletop game Dystopian Wars had some circular warships like this. Never played with them, but I always wanted to know more about the real ships they were based on. Thanks!

  • @CountArtha
    @CountArtha Před 5 lety +26

    8:11 Well whaddya know, it's almost like ships are built longer than they are wide for a reason!

  • @CZ350tuner
    @CZ350tuner Před 5 lety +7

    The wooden lamination of armour was to prevent spalling and also wracking caused by copper head explosive shells (developed & used by the Royal Navy). Copper head shells were an early form of HESH shell and were a conventional bullet shaped iron cup shell with a gunpowder filling capped with a copper dome. On impact the nose would deform igniting the gunpowder by crushing it and the shockwave would be transmitted (the technical term is wracking) through the iron armour causing fragments to spawl off of the far side at great velocity.
    This was an accidental discovery as the copper head shells were a crude form impact detonated munitions devised by the British Royal Navy and the devastating effects caused by wracking when fired at ironclads was simply an unexpected bonus feature.
    Laminating the armour with wood (The British used Iron Wood, Teak and Oak) cancels out any wracking caused by a copper head shell impact thus insulating the inner hull from the armour belt.

  • @lowtierhuman69
    @lowtierhuman69 Před 5 lety +29

    yo this channel is so good to have a bowl and just chiiiiilllllll. thanks man! :D 9:36 hell yeah, slam one side into reverse and the other full forward i bet she spun real fast.

    • @memecat57
      @memecat57 Před 5 lety +1

      @Henryk Gödel don't forget to distribute mangos. the myrcene greatly enhances the high.

    • @bleedinggumsroberts3579
      @bleedinggumsroberts3579 Před 5 lety

      Im burning one too. Looking at my model stash.

  • @admiraltiberius1989
    @admiraltiberius1989 Před 5 lety +21

    And yet another ship I knew nothing about. And yet again another fantastic video Drach.

  • @Roger-my5in
    @Roger-my5in Před 5 lety +33

    Lol it cracks me up some of the ‘novel’ designs that actually made it past the peanut gallery and were built...only to then discover obvious flaws that were somehow overlooked then defended so as not to lose face

    • @phatkatracing
      @phatkatracing Před 5 lety

      The engineers likely wouldn't have only lost face, but their lives also, if things didn't go well.

    • @p.f.886
      @p.f.886 Před 5 lety +3

      @@phatkatracing they would never have been killed for a failed project, unless there was a dictatorship. In the Russian Empire, as well as everywhere, if an engineer built a ship that was a complete fail, he would have had to pay for the fail (money) or even loose his job, but only this. No death penalty or torture. Those things happen only in some dictatorships. Not even in the middle ages you would get tortured or killed for failing at something!

    • @wahlex841
      @wahlex841 Před 4 lety

      Highsight 20/20.

  • @jasonhuiting5193
    @jasonhuiting5193 Před 5 lety +51

    I would wager Leonardo da Vinci would cried out of pride if he saw these.

  • @joearnold6881
    @joearnold6881 Před 5 lety +39

    Topic request:
    A little outside the usual focus, but I’d love it if you talked about the cannon-armed galleys/galleases that patrolled and fought in the various inland seas like the Baltic and the Med from (I believe) the 1500s right up through the 1700s.
    They fascinate me.

    • @shorttimer874
      @shorttimer874 Před 5 lety +4

      One of C S Forester's Hornblower books had a battle with cannon armed galleys in a calm. I'd be interested also.

    • @ploppyploppy6554
      @ploppyploppy6554 Před 5 lety

      Look up john Paul Jones the only Scottish Russian American honoured in all three countries .

    • @peterdansie9195
      @peterdansie9195 Před 5 lety

      Joe Arnold

    • @clockworkmultiverse92
      @clockworkmultiverse92 Před 5 lety

      Yes! I love those too!

  • @steweygrrr
    @steweygrrr Před 4 lety +3

    So what I learned from this video is that this... ship should be remade with modern materials with vectored thrust hydrojets for propulsion and armed with both a 108 tube VLS in the centre as well as launchers for RAM. Or turn it into an assault carrier with a deployable air cushion to allow it to be the worlds first amphibious warship. 100% viable for which you have my utterly unfounded guarantee.

  • @Sauske2101
    @Sauske2101 Před 5 lety +34

    Ohhh the steampunk era.. how i miss it dearly :(

  • @sillypuppy5940
    @sillypuppy5940 Před 5 lety +166

    If they had been sent into battle they would have been roundly defeated.

  • @Defenestrationflight
    @Defenestrationflight Před 5 lety +185

    Omg, russians invented tank controls before tanks were invented. God bless crazy tzarist engineers.

    • @jalpat2272
      @jalpat2272 Před 4 lety +11

      one of them invented modern bomber that not an airship and helicopters.

    • @LupusAries
      @LupusAries Před 4 lety +3

      @@jalpat2272 You mean Igor Sikorsky don't you?😉
      We'll he didn't quite invent the Helicopter, Etienne Oemicheimen dir that by building the first one that actually flew.
      However Sikorsky build the first practical Helicopter, and the First in the tail rotor configuration.
      You could argued that the Fa-61 was earlier, but it wasn't really useful for anything but showflights and testing.
      And while the Fa-223 was the first series built helicopter, it came later than the VS-300 but before the R-4. Although in comparison to the R-4 the production numbers we're small.

    • @SofaKingShit
      @SofaKingShit Před 4 lety

      He just described the problems with steering and l was like "golly why didn't they simply use the propellors?" and then Drach went "so they abandoned the rudder and used the propellors" and l was like wow this comment is going to be particularly pointless.

    • @mariebcfhs9491
      @mariebcfhs9491 Před 4 lety

      you mean differential steering?

  • @cdreid99999
    @cdreid99999 Před 4 lety +2

    I was thinking if you mounted a circular upper hull on twin or triole hulls you could get a faster (10+) knot ship that is both conventionally maneuverable as well as having the engine spin ability. Her weakness is speed. It carried the armament of a much larger ship and could have carried a lot more. But ships use speed and maneuverability to stay alive. We cant know for sure but it would be awesome to simulate a battle between this and a British battleship of the time. Im pretty sure the battleship would win though as it would pick when it fought

  • @dayne3352
    @dayne3352 Před 4 lety +11

    Wonder if a modified "golf ball effect" would help the speed on such a hull or any for that matter.

  • @captain0080
    @captain0080 Před 5 lety +62

    That was a less embarrasing desing than i was led to believe.

  • @INEEDCAFFEIN3
    @INEEDCAFFEIN3 Před 5 lety +24

    Black Sea pictured at 3:14 when talking about Baltic Sea? Wonderful topic!

    • @patrickmcleod111
      @patrickmcleod111 Před 5 lety +2

      No dude, they are the same thing! An analogy would be Germany and Deutschland. We call it Germany but the 'natives' call it Deutschland. We call it "the Baltic sea", but the natives use the traditional Slavic terms "Black" and "sea" to describe it. Its like Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. They sound like 3 different countries, but they're not.... Its all the same single country.... See?

    • @watcher13th
      @watcher13th Před 5 lety +1

      @@patrickmcleod111 LOL, dude, that's an overload of misinformation. Literally everything you said is wrong...
      Edit: Sorry, You're right about Germany.

    • @patrickmcleod111
      @patrickmcleod111 Před 5 lety +3

      @@watcher13th
      Yeah, I wasn't being being serious.

  • @benwilson6145
    @benwilson6145 Před 2 lety +1

    There was an oval almost circular tug design called the Ship Docking Module (SDM) designed in the USA in the mid 1990's.

  • @ds3930
    @ds3930 Před 5 lety +6

    iRoomba really has come a long way.

  • @ocb8486
    @ocb8486 Před 3 lety +1

    Up until 1950 any idea was built and tested,its so cool that pictures and drawings exist of all these weird ships,planes and whatever :)

  • @Lurker1979
    @Lurker1979 Před 5 lety +5

    I wonder how well this would adapt to modern applications? Like say a leisure ship for example. The around deck would be a great platform for parties and such.

  • @johnchambers2996
    @johnchambers2996 Před 5 lety +17

    It looks as if these ships would have been tremendously vulnerable to long-range plunging fire through the thin and wide roof top deck area. This was one of the issues with Union ironclads that were vulnerable to Confederate hill-top fortifications and mortars.

    • @RoskinGreenrake
      @RoskinGreenrake Před 5 lety +6

      Yeah that figures. It seems like he was an absolute madman, do check out what happened to his Livadia yacht that was mentioned at the end here.
      Also if the propellers can get lifted out of the water in large waves, the big changes in resistance could be bad for the engines, and how the heck did they not know a slightly larger than normal rudder wouldn't be enough before they built the whole thing.

    • @LordRenegrade
      @LordRenegrade Před 5 lety +4

      That's normal for ships of that era. Most ship to ship engagements were pretty close, and "plunging" from that era would be like five or ten degrees, not like 40+.
      As for hilltop emplacements, well, I read somewhere that they have maneuverability and speed issues that would even allow ...unhydrodynamic... ships to escape.

  • @WardenWolf
    @WardenWolf Před 4 lety +1

    I'd call them a good design for littoral waterways. Their good maneuverability (once they figured out engine turning) and very shallow draft are both excellent features. In many ways they were the ideal design for such a ship given the technology of the time. They did what they were designed to do quite well with no huge drawbacks.

  • @kyle857
    @kyle857 Před 5 lety

    Reinventing the wheel. Also, the advantages to be for armor weight compared to volume. I can see why they would use it for a royal yacht.

  • @Tsototar
    @Tsototar Před 5 lety +2

    I was watching this with growing incredulity and then what put me over the edge to start laughing was the bit about the guns spinning around after firing

  • @greenspiraldragon
    @greenspiraldragon Před 5 lety +1

    Sounds like a floating bathtub. I don't imagine they were very streamlined or very fast. It would be funny watching one's gun turret spin around every time they fire it. Also look up concrete battle ships. They were actually very effective, but not moveable. Actually they were concrete islands with gun on them. On a different note modern armored ships are now very vulnerable to missile attacks.

  • @jaytaylor9232
    @jaytaylor9232 Před 5 lety +1

    HMS Captain shown at 1:15. One of my ancestors went down with that one.

  • @matthewclark7885
    @matthewclark7885 Před 3 lety +1

    Oh, the disappearing mounts you take about are actually very interesting pieces of engineering, I got to see a couple when I visited several coastal forts that dated back to the revolution (the mounts didn't, obviously) I believe it was for Moultrie that had the disappearing pints mounts, but they had guns and defensive world from every era the fort was active in, another fun fact about Moultrie is that it's the reason South Carolina has a palmetto tree on it's flag, bc that's what it's revolutionary war era defensive works were constructed from

  • @MJC19
    @MJC19 Před 4 lety +12

    The Russian word for pancake is Blin... ALL HALE THE BATTLE BLIN!!!!

  • @Grummsh00
    @Grummsh00 Před 5 lety +5

    Interesting. A warship that maneuvers like a tank.

  • @crishansen8567
    @crishansen8567 Před 5 lety +2

    That yacht looks as if it would be very stable if nothing else. Would be very interested in seeing a video on it

  • @mandoramirez1205
    @mandoramirez1205 Před 4 lety +1

    Mr Drachinifel , I enjoy your videos very much, have always been fascinated with naval history, I have always wondered what it means when a ship has to return to port for a refitting or refit and wye does this or cause this to take place, have heard this term many many times but have never quite understood what was going on, I hope this question is not to dumb to answer, thanks again.

  • @billbolton
    @billbolton Před 5 lety +2

    How interesting, I seem to remember reading something on these 'ships' in the long distant past. Taking a single design concept to the extreme.

  • @Theogenerang
    @Theogenerang Před 5 lety +1

    Got to love innovative thinking. Great videos.

  • @josephdedrick9337
    @josephdedrick9337 Před 4 lety +1

    The only ship built that you could get dizzy by some clever engine work.

  • @wildonemeister
    @wildonemeister Před 5 lety +1

    What a cliffhanger at the end! I'm thorougly intrigued.

  • @varisantonovs2831
    @varisantonovs2831 Před 5 lety +2

    This ships was quite unique. At that time they were build the knowledge about hydrodynamic and stability etc. was closer to none (i dont remember but i think ship stability formulas was calculated leter than this ships were built). So for me it looks like they ware try to get around some designs to see how steel war ships would work. Also as mentioned at that time the problem of ships having quite good armour and not so good shells for penetrating that armour (if i recal there was some quite a battle between some South american battleships where they used all of shells without inflicting serious damage to each other). So the decision was quite logical: " lets put bigger guns but so as it would not sink the ship asalso wee need to have good armour, ou... we also need small draft". But any way as Black see are quite small and Russians used it mostly as offshore batteries (HMS Robert, HMS Abercombie was used mostly for shore bombardment and also had quite unique look and small draft, quite beautiful ships) to defend they Black seaports fm Ottoman empire (at that time the crime war was not so old news).

  • @seeingeyegod
    @seeingeyegod Před 5 lety +3

    Wow i had NO idea these ever existed! cool stuff!

  • @fredmaxwell9619
    @fredmaxwell9619 Před 5 lety +2

    I look forward to your discussion on the Flower Class and the Fletcher Class. Both small (compared to Battleships) but both served vital roles in the war.
    Also something you might think about what if the Japanese would of had radar and it's gun fire control that was comparable to the USA or Britain. Wonder how the IJN Fuso and IJN Kirishima would have fared then. I am sure they would still have meant the briny deep eventually if not still at the same time.
    USA was working on Radar but I am sure the radar information England shared with the US and Common Wealth countries helped tremendously.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Před 5 lety

      Fred Maxwell
      The later IJN ships did have radar. They never managed to hook it directly to the fire directors.

  • @iskandartaib
    @iskandartaib Před 4 lety +1

    Ah. The Popovkas. I read about these sometime during high school.

  • @johnmcmickle5685
    @johnmcmickle5685 Před 5 lety

    That is an interesting video. The concept seems sound but I think a center keel of some type would be necessary for naviational stability. Otherwise the engines would have to be continually adjusted to hold a course.

  • @stevengrotte2987
    @stevengrotte2987 Před 5 lety +1

    I really like the manner of speaking/humor of the narrator.

  • @velikiradojica
    @velikiradojica Před 5 lety +37

    Baltic fleet? You mean Black sea, right?

    • @davemorgan6013
      @davemorgan6013 Před 4 lety +5

      Exactly. If the ships were in the Baltic it wouldn't be surprising that they didn't see action against Turkey! I can't imagine that the Ottomans had a fleet based in Sweden.

    • @onewhosaysgoose4831
      @onewhosaysgoose4831 Před 4 lety +4

      @@davemorgan6013 Turkish torpedo boats were regularly patrolling the baltic sea. My history teacher kamchatka assured me they were a massive threat to the baltic fleet!

  • @d.cypher2920
    @d.cypher2920 Před 4 lety +2

    1:15 '...of course a ship, does need to retain some minor details...like buoyancy.'
    😮😅😅😅🤣
    *it's the minor bits of humor that are so f funny*

  • @amdg2023
    @amdg2023 Před 5 lety

    Perfect for reef creation and diving tours.

  • @EinachserLS
    @EinachserLS Před 5 lety +5

    Imagine this thing with Voith-Schneider drives. It would be like an amusement ride.

  • @TurkeySteam
    @TurkeySteam Před 5 lety +2

    As soon as I saw the new upload I started humming the opening music.

  • @markedwards5289
    @markedwards5289 Před 5 lety +7

    Interesting concept
    You never know until you try
    Cute design

  • @seminolerick6845
    @seminolerick6845 Před 4 lety

    Obv were "time travelers"... saw Star Trek NG... the separation of the "Saucer" caught major attention !

  • @paulbrozyna3006
    @paulbrozyna3006 Před 3 lety

    That “aft” with the array of whirling blades is quite terrifying to behold.

  • @StromBugSlayer
    @StromBugSlayer Před 5 lety

    Ok, that was fascinating.

  • @andrewemery4272
    @andrewemery4272 Před 5 lety +2

    There used to be a beautiful model of a circular Russian warship on display in the Glasgow Transport Museum.

  • @adaw2d3222
    @adaw2d3222 Před 5 lety +3

    I love it, utterly absurd designs are the best.

  • @jimshoemaker1258
    @jimshoemaker1258 Před 5 lety +1

    I didn't know anything about these ships until now very nice video thank you. 6 knots hey that's impressive can you go any faster? Yes yes I can only I'm not allowed to leave the ship and swim ahead

    • @nukclear2741
      @nukclear2741 Před rokem

      Well, they actually couldn't go faster, cause of how they changed the engines up just to get the thing to turn efficiently.

  • @apextroll
    @apextroll Před 5 lety +1

    It was revolutionary!!

  • @mattisvov
    @mattisvov Před 3 lety +2

    A weaponized merry-go-round! I think, being silly.
    "It could rotate so fast it made the crew dizzy."
    I IS a weaponized merry-go-round.

  • @Rdeboer
    @Rdeboer Před rokem +2

    I'm slightly envious of the guy who realised he could perform doughnuts with a warship.

  • @MililaniJag
    @MililaniJag Před 5 lety

    Brings to mind the expression....Circular firing squad.

  • @jimwind7589
    @jimwind7589 Před 4 lety +3

    This is so insane, I m surprised the French did not come up w this ideal first.

  • @ReaverLordTonus
    @ReaverLordTonus Před 5 lety +1

    Would have been interesting if they attached the propellers to pods mounted under the hull that could rotate 360 degrees. Even at the time, it would not be too hard to rig the pods to turntables with the driveshaft independently entering from the top and through a gearbox, rotate the propeller no matter which way it was facing. The ship could have four of them arranged symmetrically in "all four corners" so to speak. This, while somewhat more complex, would make steering the ship easier and make it way more maneuverable.

  • @barrydysert2974
    @barrydysert2974 Před 3 lety

    The greatest aquatic merry-go-round ever!!!
    What fun! !:-) 😂🙃😂 🖖

  • @tonyhunt768
    @tonyhunt768 Před 4 lety +1

    Has a similarity to the Starship Enterprise (arguably)!

  • @R4V3-0N
    @R4V3-0N Před 5 lety +1

    That is one interesting video I stumbled upon over a vehicle I thought I knew. A video that was pretty well researched (although I would like to see the sources in the description as well) and of a higher quality that I had assumed by the intro (and outro). Good job.

  • @morriganravenchild6613

    Very interesting and packed full of info - thanks.

  • @kirkfosher7501
    @kirkfosher7501 Před 5 lety +1

    Would love to see a review of HMS eagle as my grandfather served on the ship as a petty officer

    • @kirkfosher7501
      @kirkfosher7501 Před 5 lety

      Well we almost always hear the HMS Ark Royal's name dropped but never the Eagle

  • @bleedinggumsroberts3579
    @bleedinggumsroberts3579 Před 5 lety +1

    Dude this is the best CZcams channel. Thank you Drachinifel

  • @alan6832
    @alan6832 Před 5 lety +1

    Even if the rudder was useless, a ship of this design should be highly maneuverable under differential thrust, provided that outer engine power settings could be rapidly and independently controlled.

  • @812guitars
    @812guitars Před 5 lety +1

    Wow! This is nuts!

  • @FlyTyer1948
    @FlyTyer1948 Před 5 lety +1

    Amazing & amusing. How ironic that the designer’s name was pronounced “Pop-off.”
    Thank you for this. Always good to start the day with some belly laughs.