In and out of Calvinism Part 2 | Compatibalism & T: Total Depravity
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The channel “conversations with a calvinist” used to have an instructional video on how to witness if you are a Calvinist. the video included him saying to never tell people Jesus loves them or died for them specifically, but to vaguely share the gospel. It is off CZcams now. I guess all of my challenges in the comment section made him delete it? Or maybe I just can’t find it. If you find it please share the link.
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Scripture that I feel challenges the teaching of Total Depravity (man cannot respond positively to God) and Determinism:
Exd. 32:11-14
Jeremiah 26:3-13
Jeremiah 18
Jeremiah 42:10
Jonah 4:2
2 Samuel 24:16
Numbers 14:5-24
1 Samuel 23:7-14
2 chronicles 32:31
2 kings 20
Rev. 2:5
Exd. 33:12-23
Matt 23:37-39
Acts 7:51
Duet. 30:11-19
Matt. 23:37
John 5:40
John 12:48
John 20:30
2 cor. 5:19-20
Hebrews 3:6-11
Matt. 11:28
John 3:16-17
Rom. 10:21
Eph. 1:13
1 Tim. 2:4
2 Peter 3:9
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Calvinism wrecked my world, I am not the same person I was, I don't witness and have the love for the lost like I use to, I constantly agonize over if I am of the elect, I can't pray because I don't know if I am one God loves and I can't read the bible without anxiety, fear and condemnation. I am so glad I heard your testimony and your exhortation to get back to the word and let the Holy Spirit teach me.
My goodness. How sad. I’m so sorry. I pray you see just how loved you are by God and just how good He is!!!!
@@AlanaL3 thank you for your prayer and concern, I appreciate it.
John 6:35-40 says:
35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty. 36But I said to you that you have indeed seen Me, and yet you do not believe. 37Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
Take heart, you are beloved of God! Come unto him and he will accept you and not cast you out.
@@chelseal654 thank you for taking time to encourage and exhort me with the word of God, I appreciate it.
Amen, GOD
❤️🧡💛💚💙💜s YOU, Kevin!
This was respectful but brutal. You absolutely exposed the absurdity of Calvinism, in this video.
You communicate in such a compelling manner.
Divine determinism makes everything pointless, as you mentioned.
When I think about how many of the most popular preachers today are Calvinist, it really puts into perspective how Jesus teaches us to receive truth like children. Learning and education does not equate to discernment. Quite often it simply leads to indoctrination.
This video was amazing. Could have listened for hours! Well done. Matt
Thank you so much! I’m so glad it was clear to understand and hit the way I hope it does for anyone who takes the time to watch it.
Compatibalism is what most Calvinists are taught to believe…It is pure philosophy…still determinism, but with a pretty bow on it.
"Do you love your child more than God does?" That was a really good one. I'm going to use it in my conversations. Thank you!
Thanks so much for this teaching and you sharing your struggles with this subject. I’ve been a Calvinist for about 10 years. This one thing has brought torment to my mind, lack of assurance. And I hear so many ladies say when they pray for their kids, well maybe their not chosen. To me it brought grief that they think that of God. Thanks so much for giving us scripture to prove to ourselves what you’re say is the word of God
Many moons ago, early in my conversion, I felt “forced” to believe (although I was radically delivered from my sins!). One night I had a dream where these elders anointed my head and the oil went on my forehead and then INTO my brain. I woke up and I had this awareness that I could CHOOSE to follow Jesus or not. After feeling that freedom, I determined to continue following Jesus because He is the truth!
Great videos Alana. I’ve never been a Calvinist praise God, I know a few of them, they never talk about it so I didn’t know much about their beliefs. About 6 months ago I started watching a few Apologia, Macarthur, and White videos, everything was great until I noticed something that wasn’t when I heard them speak of Total depravity and regeneration etc. After realizing they were Calvinists, I’ve been looking into the doctrine, and was shocked to find out what they teach. Ever since I’ve been on a mission to try and tell the truth of Gods Word to them. I was amazed how anyone could believe these teachings and interpret Gods Word that way, particularly when you look at the origins of the doctrine. It is truly a masterful deception by the enemy designed to limit Gods Sovereignty (despite what they think), limit Christs atonement and change the very nature of salvation, and Gods character. Keep up with what you’re doing, you are helping others to see clarity in the scriptures. Let’s pray that the Holy Spirit will remove the “calvanistic lenses” from any Calvinist that watches your videos.
I am so very thankful for you sharing your story with us. Long ago in my baby Christian life, I happened to come across a little book written by A W Tozer called, "The Knowledge of the Holy". With my Bible in hand as I read, I gleaned so much from this impactful book! All throughout the years, each time I came across it in my bookcase, I would take it out and read it again. The "knowledge" of this precious book actually kept me from slipping down the slope of Calvinism when the church I attended (and in which I was deeply involved in) started subtly going down the direction of Calvinism. Because of what I learned through Scripture with the help of this book, there was no way I could accept this teaching. Calvinism goes totally against God's character and attributes. I had many discussions with the Pastor of that church, and it came to the point that I had to leave. It was so painful to leave the people that I loved...but I had to. Shortly after I left, I came across Leighton Flowers (that was a Divine Appointment!) and he was exactly who I needed to hear at this point in my life to confirm that I had made the right decision (because I questioned myself if I truly "knew" the Gospel because Calvinist are so persuasive). Keep it up and can't wait to watch your other videos. Thanks again and God bless you and yours!
You have no idea how much I needed to hear this and watched your first video on it which brought tears to my eyes. I would accept all these teachings from John MacArthur, John Piper Wretched Radio, RC Sproul, Douglas Wilson. Even trying to read Calvin, Augustine and Jonathan Edwards. But every couple of months saying more and more there has to be an objection to Calvinism. I have to say I love those teachers but I want to confess to the world that the Love of God is more than Calvinism can display. I appreciate what you are doing please keep these coming.
So blessed your researching Calvinism Leighton Flowers Soteriology 101 CZcams Channel has great content also!Blessings
Oh bless u! 🙌 keep going the love is right there for u to touch!!!!
I don’t personally have a dog in the fight for MacArthur, Sproul, or any of those people. I have always been a student first. I appreciate that others can contribute important thoughts to the conversation about biblical truth but I’m not obligated to care what they say.
That being said, I acknowledge that people beat others up over doctrine. But John 17 is a very interesting read about Jesus’s prayer
32:50 talks about her assurance from the text instead of the fruit of change; not sure
We are of course depraved, but not totally since God made us in his image with a heart, a conscience and a will. Job 1:1 proves it, as do Noah aNd Enoch. No one deserves heaven but we were created so we could choose him or the world. Hundreds of OT and NT scriptures testify to this.
Thank you! ✨️ It is such a relief to know that people are free to believe in Christ or not (rather than some chosen to be saved and some not). Also so important to know that God wants all to be saved. He has been so patient with me. His deep love and patience in wanting all to be saved is amazing.
Alana, I am thanking God so much that He caused me to see this and the previous video. My story is extreme but really lays out the horrific consequences that can result when Calvinism is allowed to play itself out and it’s true fruit is shown. I ended up having to lose and leave all my friends and family for the sake of the gospel and have been asking God what He wants of me. I’ve felt like I don’t understand why He would reveal the truth to me when I don’t feel I have the gifts to communicate it to others and so often get discouraged when people only want to debate. My sister is a teacher but she uses her gifts to teach the bad news (Calvinism and distorted election) and we no longer have contact. I’m so encouraged to see a sister in Christ using her gifts to help people get back to the truth. The writings of George MacDonald are so helpful and are what helped me see I did not need to walk away from God - just Calvinism. If you ever decided to use your Patreon account to lead a ladies study and discussion and the membership was affordable I would so be in. I have not listened to both videos completely cause I really need to go slow and chew on it and ask questions but I will be sure to keep at it. God bless from Canada.
George MacDonald has hepled me too.
@@AlpacaLipps I’m so glad to hear it. I wish more people could be blessed by his writings. He focuses on obedience to what you already understand in the Scriptures and how that leads to more understanding. I honestly didn’t stop believing in Calvinism because someone had a good argument against it. I stopped believing when I started obeying the words of Jesus consistently like a child and then some things just became obvious through what can only be called divine revelation. God reveals Himself to little children and hides himself from the wise and prudent. Calvinism is prudent but it’s not true to the character of God.
Calvinism is everywhere. What province are you from?
@@SheepDog1974 Ontario. You?
@@aniefro2403 I am happy to learn that you have not turned your back on God. Jesus is a faithful friend, despite the loss of your friends and relatives. Whatever you have suffered through this journey God is before you making a way.
I'm in the GTA. Currently attending a reformed church 😮 and waiting to see how the Lord unfolds this next chapter.
about 33 minutes in, I actually encountered a Calvinist on Facebook that told me that "For God so loved the world" the Greek word for "world" is Kosmos" which means "elect"....he literally changed the definition of a word to suit the Calvinist narrative...that was so weird
Kosmos does not mean elect it means Creation. Jesus took op on Him the curse that came on the whole creation including animals. Such change does not come from Calvin.
❤ Thank Our Lord Jesus Christ for your sharing and edification. You've been really patient and thorough. I feel that I once again been washed a new in the Blood of Jesus Christ, and His word. Keep it up, we desire to hear more from God through you! Praise God!
Watching you share brings me to tears. You are doing an incredible job of explaining things and I gained more understanding watching this video. The part about children of wrath is gold. I actually understand very clearly after you broke this down. I have been wrestling through the damages of Calvinism since 2013 because for me the destructiveness of this doctrine went so deep that it's not something that I have been able to undo quickly. I have to hear things over and over. All I heard was Calvinism for over 20 years. It's a tangled web. I will be emailing you soon.
I’m so very sorry. False teaching does deep damage and Satan knows it. How next move is for you to leave Jesus all together. Jesus is true and real, seek Him he will lead you through his word and Holy Spirit.
Thank you for this. You have wrestled with so many of the same questiones I had. I have had a rough church history, with many false churches (NAR, charasmatic, female led congregational, lukewarm and megachurch to name a few) and some shoddy foundation laid and I was taken under the wing by a reformed calvinist friend, whose husband is a pastor. I did Bible study with some of her church for years, and through the years I got so much more hopeless feeling. I didn't blindly accept but questioned all these things, and I was told I just wasn't there yet, that God was God and could do anything He wanted, so who was I question His ways. My three main contentions were: 1. God wasn't loving if He created people solely to go to hell with no hope-it was cruel . This bothered me A LOT and it went contrary to all the verses about how loving and patient and kind and merciful God was. This was no love I wanted a part of . 2. How would you ever know if you were elect or not elect? We were told to look at our works and fruit and that bad fruit didn't come from a good tree. I saw bad fruit in my life, things like bitterness inside me bc of having so many trials at once and a hopelessness in a sad/hopeless situation, and I was trying to figure out how I could have this bad fruit in me, was I a bad tree? THis was drilled into me again and again, my works, my fruit, and my tree. I got a point this summer where I was ready to be done with all things God. When you start to feel like its hopeless bc everything in your life is a sad, depressing hopeless disaster and then your fruit is proving you must be a bad tree and God hates and has condemned you anyways....there is no good news in any of it. I was hanging by a thread with my relationship with God. BUT what bothered me even more than that was 3. If this is all laid out and we are just following our master plan God created, then we are just robots following code. And if that is life, what a meaningless hopeless life it is for all of us, saved and unsaved. I don't find any comfort in "discovering" that I am a puppet being forced to play the part assigned to me. That is the kind of thing that leaves you laying in bed feeling suffocated, that we are just cogs in a machine; that free will is forced will. It was all just one hopelessness after another. I ended up quitting the group this fall, I couldn't do it anymore, I was so numb to God and angry and hopeless. Instead, a close friend supported me and we went into a simple study of John, just on our own together. Just us and the Word of God. The last few months have been so freeing to me. I feel like I really understand the gospel and the good news properly for the first time in my life, without all the et ceteras. I will never consider any points of calvinism again as truth, I don't want any more mandmade teaching ever again. I want the Word and only the Word. It is so hard to find a church anywhere that doesn't give you their spin on it though. I never understand how we were supposed to be like children to enter Kingdom of God, yet I wasn't to trust the simple message I was getting out of the Bible bc it didn't align with TULIP knowledge of how one got into the Kingdom of God. It was all so theological and confusing, the more I learned, the less I understood and the more hopeless I felt.
Thank you, Alana, for making this video. It is good for a woman to talk about this as some women will be more inclined to listen to you (human nature) rather than try to understand the complicated way some of it is presented in debates. Most people don't understand the terminology, so they stop listening. I'm going to forward this to my Mom, sister, daughters and wife. Thank you for asking questions and thinking. God bless you!
Alana, this is so powerful. It is touching places in my heart that I have been calling out to God about for so many years. Calvinism has skewed my view of God for so long and hearing you speak truth about his character is like a healing balm on my soul. I am starting to see that it really IS good news. Thank you so much for these videos and letting God use you.
Oh i LOOVE to read this! It brings me to tears to see so many waking up to the TRUTH!!! Praise God. 👏 He is merciful and just. Jesus died for all of our sins including yours and u only need to confess, believe, he died for u on the cross and resurrected 3 days later. God bless
I have watching you for a long time and I watched you for years despite you being a Calvinist or using Calvinist language. Your heart was always so genuine. It was hard for me at times because I had left a church that I was THRIVING in when I got married and I followed my husband to John Piper's church as my husband was in seminary there. Ever since I have had the hardest time reading the Bible, thriving in the Lord and having any fruit. I used to be an eager evangelist but their evangelism team was less than 5 people at Bethlehem even though it was a mega church. I tried following Calvinism to keep the peace in my marriage and to follow my husband well. I have slowly been coming back to my previous theology and freedom (Orthodoxy with some appreciation for Trinitarian theology). You and Leighton Flowers have been drastically accelerating my return to the fire of my youth and hunger for the Lord and his word. I have felt such comfort from you both that I haven't felt in almost a decade. I wish I could express what a priceless gift you've given me in bringing me back to the good news of Jesus Christ. Thank you Alana ✨💖✝🕊🥰
Wow🙏🏼 thank you for sharing some of your story with us. I’m thankful to hear you’re finding joy and peace in Jesus…I pray He will continue to guide you and you seek and follow Him. How’s your husband?
That 5 people evangelism team makes me sad to hear…
This was absolutely brilliant and filled me with such joy and confidence in the Lord. It bought tears to my eyes to hear you say a parent would love thier child more than God if they weren't elect 😭 That breaks my heart to think of knowing my God loves me and my children more than I will ever know. God bless you and thank you so much
When you spoke of how you would turn to scripture to see if something really was supported, and when you spoke of how hearing teachers say something you already knew, validating what you learned by reading the scriptures for yourself; I really connected with that because that was my experience too.
Hey Buddy 👋
I just found this channel.
Nice to see a familiar face🙂
@@rwdchannel2901 yes, I know, it's very sad. She will be missed.
Well done! I can tell your passion has led you to your new purpose for this chapter of life! These 2 videos will cause major growth for your channel and help guide people in the right direction. 👏👏👏
I love that I recently found your channel Alana.
You are sharing and articulating so well, what many of us have found to be true and have struggled with ourselves.
Talking with Calvinists can feel like you’re being constantly gaslit and one of us must be crazy!
What a blessing to know we’re not alone.
God bless you🙏
Thanks once again dear sister! Ready for Part 3 :)
So good! These videos have been such a blessing to me! Also I just want to say, I used to be very quick to watch a sermon to see what the Bible meant, but thanks to your videos this year I have really stepped back from that. I turn to the Bible first and have loved it so thank you!
Praise the Lord!!!
Same pinch. God bless you
@@AlanaL3 is the fact that non believers feel guilty after doing something wrong not also proof that they are not totally "death"
@@user-zl2ic1wy5y it’s just proof that they have the law written on their heart and a God given conscience. Romans 2.
@@AlanaL3 I totally agree with that. I was just listening to what you said calvinist say about being totally death and incapable of anything good. And I thought if that is your state of mind why would you ever feel guilty or shame?
I’ve never been a Calvinist so learning about it really blew my mind. I had no idea there were so many people who had this view of scripture! Thanks for defining Compatible Free Will, I’d heard about it but no one had actually defined it in a way I could understand 😂
It’s meant to keep you confused and thinking you’re ok with “mystery.”
@@AlanaL3 That is because they are confused. Many years ago I was told that our theology needs to be examined by others. If we cannot defend it then we must study more. One person I know told me that we should read books we know that we will disagree with so we know the opposing viewpoints or differing viewpoints. Applying James 1:22 will help us to not get far away from where we should be. If we are constantly interacting with people and allowing people to ask us questions that is one of the best things we can do.
I have been so incredibly helped by this video as well as Part 1. This is so exciting to me. When you hear the truth, it just clicks. Thank you so much for what you are doing.
Alana, thank you! You bring very strong arguments for free will, against compatibilism! Thank you for being true to the love of Christ! ✝️♥️
The Lord uses the weak things of the world to shame the wise. Not that you are weak, you are strong in Christ, but weak in terms of 'just a homeschool mom', 'not a seminary teacher'. But the Lord is using you powerfully Alana and I thank the Lord for your testimony and sharing how the Lord brought you out of this doctrine of devils. Bless you sister, this has blessed me. 🙂
Thank you!! That s exactly what I told my friends. I want to make these videos because I’m just a homeschool mom that loves Jesus!! I want people to see they don’t have to be intimidated into believing anything just because they don’t have a degree etc. we have the holy spirit and his word!
@@AlanaL3 Do you agree that the Calvinistic view is a doctrine of devils? If so, how do you parce out Jesus's words in John 3:3: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”? Doesn't "Cannot" means unable to do something? In this context that "something" is obtain salvation/eternal life i.e respond in any way in your own power, UNLESS you are born of the Spirit- which is not in our control according to John 3:8.
@@horton6459 you believe and are born again. Yes, I do think anything that alters the gospel or the character of God is from Satan
@@AlanaL3 I am in agreement that anything that alters the Word of God is demonic. Do you mind providing your understanding of John 3:3 and 3:8? Are you saying that we believe on our own without the Spirit? Or is belief/salvation the power of God as stated in Romans 1:16-? Activated by the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit, who preserve and keep up us.
@@horton6459 I don’t know if there’s any scripture besides Romans 10:10 that tells us how we believe, but plenty that offers to anyone. I don’t know what happens in the spiritual realm, I don’t think anyone can, but believing doesn’t save us. God saves us when we believe/call on his name.
Our church of 8 years has become much more outwardly reformed in the sermons a year after a new pastor. My husband is in thr band, our community group are truly my brothers and sisters in Christ, but I approach each sermon with an increasing sense of sadness.
Thank you for speaking clearly in love to spend more time going straight to the Bible instead of to the declarations of man.
Thank you for posting these videos, Alana. I appreciate you bringing up responses that Calvinists will make to the topics and questions you bring up. To one of your points in this video, I’ve also found that Calvinists have to redefine and over complicate certain biblical texts to fit their system. It all ends up being contradictory and confusing, which does not line up with the character of God (particularly that He is not a God of confusion-1 Corinthians 14:33). I look forward to viewing any other videos you do on this subject matter. It’s definitely helpful to me as I’ve wrestled with Calvinism for many years.
my old eyes at first glance saw "Cannibalism and Total Depravity" and i was like WHOA gotta watch this !! awesome teaching
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Awesome Video , Alana! In watching the whole thing I was going from saying AMEN out loud to laughing out loud because of the little ways you were using to describe the way Calvinist think! It's so great for you to share your journey in and out of Calvinism. I'm looking forward to your next predestined video! lol..... Keep fighting the Good fight! God bless you and your family!
Wow. This is so excellent. You are literally sharing everything on my heart! I am so impressed with your videos on Calvinism. Thank you for this. What a blessing to hear truth from a woman who clearly loves the Word of God.
This is such a great video! I watched your first video and now this one. This may help me to have respectful and God,glorifying conversations with my Calvinist brothers and sisters. You've earned a subscriber.
Love it!
So good to hear from you. Such a blessing.
So happy to hear you getting to chat with Leighton Flowers as well!
Limited Atonement has been the biggest red flag for me.
Through it, Calvinism basically tries to tell Jesus who he is allowed to die for or not.
Who on earth do any of us think we are to say whether or not Jesus died for another?
These videos about Calvinist soteriology are awesome! They explain a lot and you have a great story to share about getting out.
Oh wow! My mom is a Calvinist, I’m just learning this and it’s making a lot of sense some of our conversations. I’ve listened to some of Paul Washers sermons and they were really good but I didn’t know he was a Calvinist either. I honestly can’t believe there is an entire doctrine out there that teaches that there are only a certain group of people that can be saved
Isn’t it terrible? It minimizes the work of Jesus so much not to mention the character of our wonderful Lord.
Yay, part 2!! Always excited to hear you speak!! You are a sister I do look up too!! Titus 2:4! Also, you study to show thyself approved sister. Praise God your out of this doctrine.
Thank you for taking the time to do these videos and all of your research and explanations. I really appreciate it and think you're doing a great job.
I was reborn again last summer. I was so grateful for finally finding the truth, but soon realized how divided the church is. This broke my heart. What you are saying is exactly how I have felt since becoming a new creature; follow God only, follow his word only, identify in Christ only, etc.
I came from new age where trying to find one’s identity is idolized. I looked to everything but God to identify with. This was destructive and divisive. I see the destructive division happening in the body and I have hesitated to identify with certain labels because of this. I just came across your channel and am so thankful!
Hi, thanks for your videos about Calvinism. I've recently found your channel, and been very glad of the things you shared and learnt plenty. Keep it up.
I've read several large books on the subject but find it frustrating when friends aren't interested in reading them too. I've never adhered to Calvinism myself. I've warned people i love many times, but it seams the light hasn't pierced their minds at the moment. I pray that changes.
Bless you and your family. Andy from Nottinghamshire UK.
This is absolutely great !!! Thank you!!!
The power of God is to save those who BELIEVE!! Amen Sister! The Gospel is good news
Awesome job Alana. God bless you, your family and your work.
When I was a little kid I wasn't talking Calvinism but I was taught that God knows everything and knows our thoughts and all of this and so I would try to pray quickly and be like "did you know I was going to say that God?" I felt weird praying because I felt like God already knew what I was going to say but I got over that
Alana, you have a gift...please, please keep doing what you are doing! I have never been a Calvinist, but our new reformed pastor was... just researching this twisted theology to try and understand what he was talking about, sent me into darkness and doubt (a type of PTSD). This theology made God sound like the abusive father that I grew up with. The emotional wounds that he inflicted, Christ's love had healed my heart from..... how ironic!
Jean, In my opinion, Christ's words and actions while here on earth as recorded in the gospels are a perfect demonstration of God's true love and desire towards all of his creation. Ironically, John Calvin's assumptions about our heavenly father are not to be found among them.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT R.L.... I saved something your wrote that really helped me: "I trace the problem with Calvinism back to the original lie which Satan told Eve in the Garden. The effect is the same today. Calvinism ultimately plants a poison pill, the seed of doubt, in the heart and mind of the believer that you cannot trust God to be good to you...personally. With the question of God's true love for any one individual in doubt, it can become impossible to have an intimate relationship with God based on love and trust. Once the consequences of Calvinism's claims are honestly examined, trust is undermined and replaced by fear that the love may not really be there. And without true assurance of trust there can be no loving 'relationship'. Perfect love casts out fear but if you doubt the love exists you are powerless to overcome the fear.:
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Austin Fisher (author of "Young, Restless, and no longer Reformed") "Do we worship a God who was crucified to save sinners from what they deserve, or a God who creates sinners for the sole purpose of crucifying them?"
@@jeanb3920 Thanks for mentioning that. I'm so glad you saw value in it. There are those on both sides who hold extreme views which allow them to cast doubt on the salvation the other side. I do not doubt the salvation of anyone claiming faith in Christ, regardless of how confused they may be about how it happened.🤠
What more could the enemy of our soul hope to achieve than cause men, created in God's own image, to doubt their creator truly loves them? My view is that if Satan cannot prevent someone's belief in Christ, and their eternity with God in heaven, the next best thing for him would be to undermine their relationship with our heavenly father while here on earth. And Calvinism has a way of doing that.
Those who seek to advance Calvinism do so from a position of having been deceived themselves by others who were also previously deceived. The doctrine is in a perpetual cycle of 'rinse and repeat'. They are earnest in their belief, but they are mistaken. I cannot see it any other way than the doctrine which evolved into Calvinism, and eventually TULIP, was founded on a serious false premise, a lie. And I do not believe it was Augustine or Calvin who are responsible for framing the lie, ... they fell for it.
When I was a kid, my older brother would sometimes pin me down by sitting on me and taking hold of my arms, he would use my own hands to smack me in the head. As he was doing this, he would ask me why I was hitting myself. This is basically how I have understood deterministic compatibilism. The example may be crude but is basically the same.
😶....Your brother and you have it better now, right? He apologised and you're good, right? 😳
Looking forward to hearing more of your story and your teaching and what you are learning ❤
Thank you for sharing what you have so far! I’ve really been struggling with so many things including election. I have felt very grieved over it. You have really helped me with these videos! Im excited to dig a little deeper into scripture now that I see the perspective I was coming from and to look deeper into context.
Yes do! Look into corporate election. It makes many things clear. God bless.
Don't be depressed about election. Step back and ask the question "What is election". Go listen to Michael Heiser about it. Election to Bible scholars means something other than salvation. Throughout scripture it is used by God to choose an individual or group for service. Specifically to carry the Promise. Israel is clearly elect, even in their unbelieving state. There are no Ba'al worshipers in heaven. Paul was chosen/elected to bring the Gospel to the gentiles. He wasn't elected to believe in Christ.
Also, step back and realize that Israel and everyone else didn't believe in western individualism. To them, Isreal was corporately elected as God's people to carry the Promise. Israel believes they are 'corporately elected', not individually. Their election doesn't guarantee their salvation.
@Emily, I have no doubt that Alana has watched this video, Properly defined, no one in scripture is 'elected' to salvation, only service. czcams.com/video/S0TUH60Cd78/video.html
@@isaacbarrett1954 there are passages where it clearly refers to salvation though so that doesn’t encompass the whole of the New Testament teaching on that.
@@jordandthornburg Like what?
This sucks!!! I too am struggling with determinism. You would think that it’s a fairly simple thing to lay aside when you learn the truth of the matter, but it isn’t necessarily that easy. But God is so much better than we thought before!! 😊
Thank you Sis for sharing this, it is encouraging……keep up your “good works”! 💪🏼
Thank you so much. I am truly blessed by your video. Am looking forward to searching the scripture list you shared with us. I related to your comments regarding using commentary or men as sources of truth instead of scripture as our first and foremost source.
Just found your channel through Leighton Flowers. Glad you've seen the light expose Calvinism. The Lord reveals Himself to those who love the Truth. Although I have not been a Calvinist I have appreciated a good portion of Paul Washer's and Voddie Baucham's sermons in the past but took exceptions to some weird slants that would come through, which I later found out were due to their Calvinistic convictions. I trust the Lord continues purifying the church that He is building soul by soul as there are still other deceptions that are being swallowed by many in the reformed churches, Dispensationalism being just one of them. Blessings in your walk with Christ.
Thank you for this!!!!
I completely agree with what you said at the beginning. That any topic can be relayed in a simple manner. When I am studying something, I don't feel that I have fully learned it, until I can teach it in a very simple and easy to understand way.
I’m so glad that God delivered you from such a terrible systematic. ❤❤❤❤
Such a motivating video!! Loved that you brought up the contradictions in compatibalism!!
Thank you for sharing with us more of your story ❤
No matter what we believe, if we are challenged, we should consider if we could be wrong. Doubts and questions are never wrong. Stubbornness and pride are obstacles to truth.
There is always evidence that either supports a belief or refutes it. But if we are unwilling to search, we will never find truth.
Amen!!
@25:00 not just art, but incredible acts of compassion, mercy, self sacrifice and forgiveness, philanthropy etc.
Im glad i found your channel ❤
I so appreciate your witness for the Truth. I too considered Calvinism and started studying God's Word as to whether it's true. I actually thought that if I was under Calvinism how would I know if I'm saved. If God didn't want me saved and here I am thinking that I am saved only to believe that it was Satan who deceived me into thinking that I am saved, how would I know if I'm saved or not? I didn't have any peace in my soul and abandoned that Idea of Calvinism.
I really am appreciating your videos about Calvinism. I came out of that view point a while back which I am so thankful to the Lord. Now I have a mindset for dispensationalism ( not hyper, just making sure to divide the word and make sure I know when it’s taking about the tribulation, the millennium reign, grace, law etc. and still knowing we can take away things in each dispensation but knowing what the verse is actually intended for) the whole Bible is for us to learn from.
One thing I wanted to comment on, was when you said that everyone is made in Gods image. Just something to look into, we were made in Gods image but when the fall happened we were then in man’s image. When you come to Christ, then you are put back in Gods image
This mirrors ny journey so closely it is scary. ❤️
This is an beautiful coverage of Holy scripture Alana. ☝️❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏☝️
BYW I really learn watching your channel 💪🏻
Love it! This was beautiful. Glory to God. Just curious if you planned to do a video on the other letters as well- ULIP. (But I know it was the fall of the T for you, understandably, as Total Inability is what ties it all together logically, that led to the remaining points crumbling and crashing down. Praise God!)
You are alright Ms. Alana. Thanks for sharing your experience. I had a friend that became Calvinist, and she came after me with a lot of pride trying to convert me. It ended up ruining the friendship. Maybe I should have done the research and it could have helped. Anyway thanks for your testimony. By the way many of us African Christians, ..... Calvinism, Armenianism is not even in our Christian vocabulary. I learned about them when I came to the States. Thanks again
Thank you so much for presenting the fact that philosophy has been introduced into the church that changes the clear gospel of Jesus Christ and the Apostles as God revealed in the writings of Jude, Peter, and Paul Back to the Bible, sola scriptura
Thank you for this! I've been sharing your videos with a Calvinist friend praying that he will see the truth of scripture and the true nature of our God!
I loved this Bible study. I disagree on the penal substitution but I see you're growing and loving the Lord! This reminded me of 2018 when I wrestled with Calvinism.🙏🏻❤
What do you believe if not penal substitution?
Great explanation.
Very clear, thank you!
This was very helpful, thanks for being brave in HIS truth,
Thank you for taking the time to address these things on your platform. Calvinism is a tool Satan has and is using so effectively against God's people. My heart breaks at all my loved ones that have fallen victim to it's lies and the world and Christ's church is suffering for it.
I agree. It is a tool of Satan and is so subtle people fall for it. It’s very sad to see. I’m thankful I’m out, but I truly feel like it is everywhere!!!
Interesting. My story is completely opposite. I grew up in arminian church my whole life and then it wasn't until I read the whole Bible for myself that I saw things that were never preached at my church. Then when I came to learn about the doctrines of grace, I knew that they were biblical because that's what I had read and have scripture to back up all 5 points. Initially I didn't "like" it, but it didn't mean that it wasn't the truth. His Spirit continues to help me and guide me and help me understand. I am relying on the scriptures alone. I would still identify as a calvinist, but first and foremost a Bible believing Christian.
Also, I never evangelized as an arminian, and now I try my best to, and when I don't it's usually bc of nerves.
Appreciate your testimony though. Anything that draws us to read the Bible in its entirety with wide eyed wonder is a blessing :) Soli Deo Gloria
I don't believe you are honest in your reaserch... I think I know what you mean, that you have Scripture to back the teachings of 'grace' - you sinply don't want to recognize the massive loads of biblical passages that contradict your reading of this or that particular passage... btw, you are NOT Christian if you mistake the Holy Trinity with a Moloch-god
@@silveriorebelo2920 it is "possible" that the testimony is accurate. Arminianism is precalvinism. Many of the presuppositions behind the 5 points are taught by accident, so a person reading the Bible with those presuppositions in mind can easily think calvinism is accurate.
@@brucegolston6507 which part of calvinism do you believe is inaccurate?
@@calledtobefree387 the 5 points of tulip.
@@brucegolston6507 you believe you can lose your salvation?
To encourage those that are struggling whether to walk away from their Calvinist churches. Whether the Calvinism is subtle or in your face. There is hope. We just recently left our church because of lack of unity amongst Pastors on this subject which was more stealth. God had an amazing plan though unknown to us at the time, as we different have a lot of options in our area which made our decision even more difficult. But we found a very recently started church plant in the area. Pastor was very familiar with Calvinism, reformed theology and was against it because of what scripture teaches. The church recognizes that God loves everyone and doesn’t just pick and choose certain people to save. If God is convicting you that something just doesn’t sound right, ask questions, right letters to the leaders, hold leaders accountable to what is being taught. In the end if you have to walk away know that God is walking with you and has a reason and a plan for you.
So helpful❤️
May God continue to use your beautiful testimony. I honestly believe Calvinism is another Gospel and completely changes the nature of God. It's incredibly grievous
@hannacastaneda8219 Arminianism is another Gospel and completely changes the nature of God. It's incredibly grievous People saying things like you have no idea what the Reformation did. It was in about 1800 that the first departed from the Reformed Theology. Protestant but no longer Biblical believers. Charless Finney started the doctrine of decisional regeneration followed by Billy Graham who ended up with universalism. czcams.com/video/hrf60-zHl9A/video.html The saying Of Jesus: No-one can enter the kingdom of God without BEING born again. That is not making a decision that is a work of the Holy Spirit.
If the anti-Calvinist were right there would have been no Gospel for the last 1400 years and even not before that. Origin of men’s free will goes back to Pelagius about 400AD. And the heresy of the pope around 700 AD About 20 to 30 million people following the Reformation died by the hand of the Spanish Inquisition for not giving up their faith. The Queen of England at the time was Called Bloody Mary for her cruelty against the Calvinist, I rather say reformed because we don't follow a man. William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible and being a Calvinist on 6 October 1536. Do you claim his faith he died for was a heresy????
It was from the Lord. Never lost is never saved, Christ Jesus did not come for choosers. Arminius was a Pelagian heretic. He twisted all of the Letter to the Romans. I have and read all Arminius works. For one he claims that God's plan of salvation came after the Fall in Paradise, otherwise God would be the Author of sin. The other is that Paul said: Wretched man I’am was before his conversion, he would not have said after his conversion . Arminius had studied theology under Theodore Beza, Calvin's successor. Beza was one of the stronger proponents of the Reformed doctrine of predestination. But Arminius's theology represented a retreat from this position. In some ways, ARMINIUS'S THEOLOGY WAS ACTUALLY A RETURN TO THE POSITION TAKEN BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM AT THE COUNCIL OF TRENT. NATURALLY, ARMINIANISM STIRRED HEATED CONTROVERSY toward THE REFORMED CHURCHES. The reformation was a Miracle of the Lord equal to David Killing Goliath with a Stone. 95 teases written in Latin killed the Giant of the Pope’s false doctrine.
The American Great Awakening was a reformed puritans movement and the doing of the Lord. Millions came to accept Christ our Lord as there Savior. Claiming that that was the work of a deceiver is crossing a dangerous line. [I rather say Reformed, we do not follow a man. Calvin was just a small part of the reformation.
Edwards's earliest writings brought together John Locke and Isaac Newton in a defence of a religious metaphysics. Later, after a career as a practicing clergyman who led the ‘Great Awakening’, Edwards developed a Calvinist theology founded on the covenant of grace whose centre was the experience of an omnipotent God. His views were most significantly spelt out in Religious Affections (1746) and Freedom of the Will (1754).
JONATHAN EDWARDS ON THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD (CALVINISM)
"The Sovereignty of God is the stumbling block on which thousands fall and perish; and if we go contending with God about His sovereignty it will be our eternal ruin. It is absolutely necessary that we should submit to God as an absolute sovereign, and the sovereign of our souls; as one who may have mercy on whom He will have mercy and harden whom He will" (Jonathan Edwards).
The quote above, by Jonathan Edwards, is excerpted from Arminianism: Another Gospel -
Jonathan Edwards
Most historians consider Jonathan Edwards, a Northampton Anglican minister, one of the chief fathers of the Great Awakening.
Edwards’ message centred around the ideas that humans were sinners, God was an angry judge and individuals needed to ask for forgiveness. He also preached justification by faith alone.
In 1741, Edwards gave an emotional sermon, entitled “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” No-one in the church had dry eyes. It was not the gifted preacher because Edwards read most of the sermon. It was a strong conviction of the Holy Spirit. News of the message spread quickly throughout the colonies.
Edwards was known for his passion. He generally preached in his home parish, unlike other revival preachers who traveled throughout the colonies.
Edwards is credited for inspiring hundreds of conversions, which he documented in a book, Narratives of Surprising Conversions.
George Whitefield
George Whitefield, a minister from Britain, had a significant impact during the Great Awakening. Whitefield toured the colonies up and down the Atlantic coast, preaching his message. In one year, Whitefield covered 5,000 miles in America and preached more than 350 times.
Martin Luther said this Gospel of “grace alone” will be for a moment but soon attacked by the Devil. We see so much hate against the sovereignty of God.
Daniel 4: 34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; 35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL
FREE OFFER OF THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120)
He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few.
Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin never preached Double predestination as you can see and put the responsibility by men. Listen I say Preached. It is a Biblical Doctrine that God Choose or elected His Own and not the whole human race.
What about 70 Million Buddhists in Thailand. 93% in Thailand are Buddhists and 5.5% Islam. Why??? If God wants all men to be saved, did God fail to bring the gospel there so they could chose to be Christian or Buddhist? One born into Buddhism has no choice but Buddhism, Only the conviction by The Holy Spirit can change hearts.
Hello…, I’m new to your page and I just wanted to thank you for posting your story. It made me wish I could some how chat with you to share what’s been going on with me regarding Calvinism. I never really understood that teaching until last year and I’m realizing my Pastor believes in the election doctrine as well. I was hoping to talk with him soon because it has been really effecting me almost daily. Leaving your home church must of been so hard and I’m fearing the Same thing, I may have to leave mine as well. I can’t imagine he will ever change his view. But I’m his defense, he doesn’t seem to be as heavy into like other Calvinist preachers Ive heard, I’m not 100% clear on his entire view but I know he does believe in God choosing some over others.
Well thanks again, your story makes me feel less alone because it doesn’t seem like too many people really care about this subject.
You’re welcome:) I’m glad you enjoyed and found it helpful. I’m happy to chat with you:) let me know if you need to/would like to and I’d make the time:)
Sorry…. Just seeing your reply to my comment. I didn’t know you responded like 2 weeks ago!! Smh…. Thank you for getting back to me. I still plan on speaking to my pastor. It’s something I think God put on my heart to do even though I been feeling a little nervous about it not knowing which way the conversation will go. At this point he knows I want to talk and had agreed to get together with me. When he comes back from his vacation in two weeks I plan on reaching out again. Listening to you, Laughton Flowers and a few others has helped so much. I may want to take you up on chatting before hand if that’s possible. I realize how busy everyone is so if it’s not something that’s possible at this time I completely understand… I’m homeschooling and working full time so I know our time is very limited.😅
Thanks again for all your doing, it’s been a huge blessing to me!! ❤
Hey Sarah! How’d your conversation with your pastor go?
Thanks for explaining free will the way you did 👍❤️
Great work sister,you go girl
Your white board teaching made perfect sense to me. Thanks!
16:50 if I had a dollar for every time I've heard a calvinist use this as a proof text for TD I'd be rich. They fail to understand that Paul was writing this to BABY CHRISTIANS that had already believed and been saved but were still focusing on "carnal" (fleshly) things and thus could not move on in the faith to receive more understanding. They were "preoccupied" with selfish and carnal desires, that's all this means and even Christians can me carnally minded (stuck in the flesh). This is why the battleground is the mind and we must take control of our thoughts and intentions.
Good teaching!
I can tell you consider truth to be more important than life itself. Thank you for your example.
Thank you for your wonderful videos, Alana. My hubby & I came out of Calvinism after over 30 years. Leighton's book, The Potter's Promise was very instrumental. Keep learning as you trust God to reveal more truth & don't be surprised at how many dominoes within Christendom begin to fall as you continue to question those long-held assumptions & hold them up to Scripture as you are already doing. 2 Tim. 2:15 KJB tells us to, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the Word of truth." The KEY to understanding your KJB Bible is to rightly divide it, NOT separating truth from error (bc all the Bible is truth) NOR is it separating O.T. from N.T. ( btw, do you know that MML&J are still O.T. under the law?) BUT separating truth written to Israel who have an earthly destination & under the law (prophetic program) FROM truth written to the BOC in the present parenthetical disp of grace (mystery program revealed to Paul ) with a heavenly realm destination. Different programs of God, one to restore heaven, one to restore earth. But Christendom sees only one & stirs them up, serving theological soup every Sunday.The BOC wasn't a known thing yet until the ASCENDED Christ began His heavenly ministry by appearing to Saul/Paul & making him the first one saved into the BOC, an entirely NEW entity destined for the heavenly realm. THIS is where our story began, NOT in Acts 2 ( no church began there, the Jewish assembly was ADDED TO that day).Check out Pauline Mid-Acts dispensational teachers on you tube such as Justin Johnson at Grace Ambassadors, Swayzee, IND who understands right division & has an amazing & easy to understand wealth of online resources. I hope it blesses you as much as it has us! Can't tell you how much more sense the Bible makes when it is rightly divided. Still praying Leighton Flowers will discover it too. Grace & Peace!
What Calvinists' claim is basically... humanity is the greatest puppet show that the universe has ever known.
Girl, you are speaking everything that's been on my heart lately! One of the verses the Lord used to teach me to lean on Him over man is 1 John 2:27: "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him." He is our Teacher. Why do we waste our time learning the doctrines of man to find the truth when the Word of God is the Truth?!
Amen!!!!!
@@AlanaL3 When I left my Calvinist church I had one last conversation with the pastor and I brought up all the points that you mentioned in this video. His answer was: "Yes all that you say is true, but we also believe in determinism and there is no human logic that can explain that. In our human minds, it is a contradiction but in God's, it is not. it is a mystery that we have to accept, just the same way we accept the mystery of the trinity".
“Children of wrath”. That is an excellent point you brought out. I never thought about it that way. We have wrath and anger in ourselves. It’s not the wrath of God here, it’s our wrath. Mark 3:5 the same word is translated anger.
Young’s Literal Translation
Ephesians 2:3
“among whom also we all did walk once in the desires of our flesh, doing the wishes of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature children of wrath -- as also the others,”
We assume that we should finish it by saying “of God”. But you cannot do that with scripture. We cannot make assumptions when it comes to Gods Holy Word.
As you mentioned earlier, it’s the GOODNESS of God that brings us to repentance
Yes! His loving kindness. Romans 2❤️
I literally stumbled across your channel on youtube. This video and Part 1 had me in tears. I've been a Reformed Baptist (Calvinist) since I was saved at 16. I am now 43, and my world (Calvinism) is now falling apart. I am in New England in a spiritually dead area, and struggling to find a new church, or even sound biblical pastors online that I can learn from, as I walk through this season of my life. Who would you suggest learning from in terms of pastors, as I navigate leaving Calvinism?
These CZcams pastors have good content...
1. Beyond the fundamentals
2. Soteriology 101
3. Dr. Gene Kim Calvinist videos
4. Robert Breaker's video "why I'm not a calvinist" is also a good one.
dear sister sarah i can recommend Calvanism Facts that Many Calvanist do not realise by pastor Joe Schimmel. God bless you and keep you always!!!
I feel your pain…I have taken a break from pastors. I can only listen so long. All I want is scripture right now. Still healing.
I also would recommend Joe Schimmel at Blessed Hope Chapel CZcams Channel and GoodFightMinistries CZcams. Also, Leighton Flowers Soteriology 101 CZcams Channel addresses the problems of Calvinism with scripture and kindness. I learn a lot about scripture from Leighton
Mike Winger is excellent!
Ms Alana...please don't stop teaching the Word that God reveals to you. I like your white board examples as well--it helps to grasp it quickly. Way back in the past, I encountered the Calvinist viewpoints and I just knew that wasn't my God's way in dealing with his creation. Psalms 103: 7 made it clear to me that it is possible for people to focus so much on God's work (Righteousness/Judgements) without balancing it with God's ways (Grace/Mercy). The beauty I found that both God's righteous judgements and His Divine Mercies is fully displayed in Christ on the Cross.
II Corinthians 5: 19"...God was reconciling "the world to Himself" NOT counting their sins against them, and entrusting to US the Message of Reconciliation!" NOT doom and gloom for some and joy and bliss for others. Jesus is for the World!!!
love it💗
Brilliant 👏👏👏💝
This is deep!
"Free will" is an illusion in Compatibilism.
To declare that BECAUSE you only do what you "want", "desire", or "choose" to do is "free will" is immediately made moot when they also hold to the premise that it is GOD ALONE who decides your "wants", "desires" or "choices ACCORDING to His Immutable Decree. You cannot change your "wants", "desires" or "choices" outside Gods immutable decree.
If anything, the "wants", "desires" or "choices" people have, are only the metaphorical strings that God uses to manipulate his puppets made of flesh & blood, & therefore decree whatsoever comes to pass.
Freewill is not a superpower, but Calvinists sure like to pretend they dont apply their freewill in life with the choices that they make.
Their cognitive dissonance is a superpower, but that comes from the father of lies.
Great video
Just remember, even if the commentary isn't there, the publishers of whatever bible you have can lean towards translating things in a calvinistic way. Good to use multiple translations. I love using the NKJV, NASB2020, NLT, GNT, Orthodox, and some others, along with the greek and hebrew to understand if what I am reading matches the "original text". It can be surprising how some bibles put things, and sometimes it's good or bad. Just some thoughts on it!
it's funny how most of the time in our day-to-day lives we love to consider ourselves to be smart but Everytime I listen to Alana it makes me realize how uneducated I am 😅
What?! Girl, I hope my vids show everyone that you can be just a normal person to study the word!! I’m not that smart:)
I so wish I could sit down and chat with you! 3 years ago I didn’t know what Calvinism was. The church I grew up in went through a split over the issue then and it was in the church, just not talked about out in the open. Since the split some of their people continue to send me videos and literature on Calvinism and I just really wish I knew what is the best way to counter their theology while
Still showing them love and not offending them. I’d appreciate any advice !
We can chat. I speak with many people…email me and we can chat on Voxer if you like. Hectoralana@gmail.com
This was good. Thank you
This verse spoke out to me concerning Calvinism. 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets among the people just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even DENYING THE SOVEREIGN LORD WHO BOUGHT THEM- bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Yep