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Cauda Equina Syndrome vs Conus Medullaris Syndrome EXPLAINED

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Komentáře • 100

  • @Jaysay7
    @Jaysay7 Před 6 lety +8

    AWESOME VIDEO! It cleared concepts I didn't know I was lacking! Thank you so much for making this video.

  • @gissellamartinez3005
    @gissellamartinez3005 Před 2 lety +1

    I can finally understand the topic. I was very confused about the differences, but you explained it in a wonderful way. Thank u!

  • @tinahendricks917
    @tinahendricks917 Před 4 lety +2

    i have come back to this video again and again it is the best explanation of this differentiation i have ever seen

  • @dinithiwanigasekara7102
    @dinithiwanigasekara7102 Před 3 lety +2

    Really awesome video! This area was never clear to me before and you have explained it in such a simple way!

  • @manalshahid1148
    @manalshahid1148 Před 4 lety +4

    Wow after yrs of medical education finally I got the concept of these topics👍🏻

  • @leticiacampoverde4420
    @leticiacampoverde4420 Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful work. I nerver understood this topic until now :)

  • @DrPilot23
    @DrPilot23 Před rokem

    this is a PAID quality lecture. well done!!

  • @robertopalazzolo9140
    @robertopalazzolo9140 Před 3 lety +2

    Awesome, thank you so much for explaining that. In lots of books or also internet, like Wikipedia etc, I didn't find all the differentiation of these two syndromes. But thanks to this video now I have a clear idea of how to differentiate these

  • @amitsinha4814
    @amitsinha4814 Před 4 lety

    Superb , marvellous ...as a surgery resident ...i m thankful to you for clearing all my concepts .. !!

  • @Moonzari
    @Moonzari Před 5 lety +8

    I was diagnosed with Cauda Equina Syndrome and am now relearning to walk and have complete paralysis in my feet. No feeling in my saddle area, trouble with my bladder and bowel. It’s serious. I ignored symptoms for so long until I had lost complete function and it became a surgical emergency. Get help before you get to that point.

    • @foxfur8327
      @foxfur8327 Před 4 lety

      The problem is that no neurologist wants to do the operation because they fear it will make things worse (if there is such a thing as worse, ) but they will give you opiods for the rest of your life.

    • @albanymountainhomestead
      @albanymountainhomestead Před 4 lety

      @@foxfur8327 if opioids improve a patient's quality of life, then it's a risk patients are willing to live with, since nerve damage is permanent.

    • @mgreene011
      @mgreene011 Před 4 lety

      @@albanymountainhomestead I believe that I had Cauda Equia but it was missed. I have very little feeling in my testicles and my feet hurt all the time.Stretching has helped and strengthening my core has helped, but I still have pain during ejaculation and can feel Nothing on the right side of my genitals. My butt is also pretty numb.

    • @albanymountainhomestead
      @albanymountainhomestead Před 4 lety +1

      @@mgreene011 I'm sorry your hurting, I have painful numbness from my upper ribs to my toes (half of my body) so I understand your pain. I hope you find relief soon.

    • @mgreene011
      @mgreene011 Před 4 lety

      @@albanymountainhomestead Thank you. And you as well.

  • @SamSampeMana
    @SamSampeMana Před 3 lety +1

    you're doing a great job sir! much gratitude, thank you!

  • @eagleeye9549
    @eagleeye9549 Před rokem

    I have had two lower decompressions and ended up with CES both times and it sucks! I Lost control of my bladder and bowels the second time and had to learn to sit up and walk with a lot of of pain! And it's been almost six months and self-catheterization and shitting myself several times a day. I'm praying that it will get better. The first time just the numbness in the saddle area. After watching this video I am deducing that I have both...

  • @sijalrupakheti9399
    @sijalrupakheti9399 Před 3 lety

    Very detailed and clear. I will never forget this now. Thank you!

  • @dawoodsohail5049
    @dawoodsohail5049 Před 6 lety +2

    so good man!!! ive had so much trouble with this topic till now.. you've explained it brilliantly! bravo

  • @yelyab1
    @yelyab1 Před 3 lety +1

    Impacted how? Arthritis, bulging disk, swollen spinal cord? What is causing the the symptoms when more than one is present in imaging? When patient is in pain why isn’t pain medication given to allow mobility instead of spinal injection as a primary treatment which is not very effective and cannot be used to facilitate a normal daily routine. Are patients with this syndrome expected to suffer as a contribution to the opioid crisis?

  • @kentchong8650
    @kentchong8650 Před 6 lety +3

    Well explained! Thanks for the effort!

  • @lurodriguez1
    @lurodriguez1 Před 4 lety +1

    A+ on this video! Thank you for the explanation

  • @AK-ez7hk
    @AK-ez7hk Před 3 lety

    Thanks for making this so much easy to understand.🔥

  • @TimdubW
    @TimdubW Před 4 lety

    sick video mate, helped me so much!

  • @MonsMavis
    @MonsMavis Před 12 dny

    The most informative video! Thank you so much for making it. I have congenital absence of the clitoris. I have hypotonic muscles that surround the vagina. I have a near total loss of vaginal sensation. I would like to ask you, does the fact that my clitoris did not develop affect the innervation in the surrounding structures? If the pudendal nerve innervates the clitoris and the perineal nerve, a branch of the pudendal nerve, innervates the bulbocavernosus muscle, where does the fault lie, I wonder? It could be a mixture because I have a filum terminale lipoma down to L5. Thanks.

  • @drmeenakshiponmudi4596
    @drmeenakshiponmudi4596 Před 5 lety +2

    Wonderful explanation

  • @chrisdom7731
    @chrisdom7731 Před 6 lety +3

    This was really helpful and helped my understanding of the topic tremendously. Thank you =D

  • @muhammadalikhan6474
    @muhammadalikhan6474 Před rokem

    Crystal clear concept
    Thanks

  • @shilpa1553
    @shilpa1553 Před 4 lety

    nice effort! A brief yet explainatory video...

  • @TonyB4679
    @TonyB4679 Před 3 měsíci

    How can I contact you ? I’m sure I have Cauda Equina , very concerned and doctors are not !!! I need help please!

  • @benda-annevanniekerk6833

    Just confused because aren’t S1 and S2 dermatomes going to be affected in conus medullaris - so then technically there would be lower limb sensory loss in those dermatomes?!

  • @melofficial97
    @melofficial97 Před rokem

    GREAT explanation. thank you

  • @sapnapk7501
    @sapnapk7501 Před rokem

    Wonderful,clear explanation.thank u.

  • @meghanas7779
    @meghanas7779 Před 5 lety +1

    Very well put, thank you😊

  • @sashagenis
    @sashagenis Před 3 lety

    Thank you very much for this amazing explanation!!! :)

  • @sunandkumarn.n1444
    @sunandkumarn.n1444 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for the video...clearly understood

  • @tharikaneelawathura7240
    @tharikaneelawathura7240 Před 8 měsíci

    Very well explained ❤

  • @docdiaries8866
    @docdiaries8866 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you..!!

  • @Fakhrihilmi69
    @Fakhrihilmi69 Před 6 lety +3

    i dont understand why CES is a medical emergency when other upper lesions ie thoracic myelopathy which can cause more devastating results are not an emergency. please help!

    • @ther1224
      @ther1224 Před 3 lety +1

      Because if not treated immediately, it can cause incontinence or permanent paralysis. With regards to other UMNL, it will depend on the severity. if severe enough then it willl be considered a medical emerg. For thoracic myelopathy, what is the cause? And how severe? If the compression is little, then iit can’t be considered a medical emergency yet. I think it will depend on the presentation. Perform your quadrant scan, and based from your clinical findings and reasoning, decide on what next step is the best to do. (Refer back to physician, or emerg, continue conservative tx? )

  • @lisa5483
    @lisa5483 Před 5 lety +1

    This is great! Thank you!

  • @introvertedbookkeeper9447

    thank you so much for this!!

  • @thisisnotreal2211
    @thisisnotreal2211 Před 2 lety +1

    Great , thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️

  • @user-om9es4co6c
    @user-om9es4co6c Před rokem

    great video, thank you

  • @bangpinkfandom1105
    @bangpinkfandom1105 Před 3 lety

    When ever i watch this vlog regarding spinal disorders i became very stressed and depressed because i have some kind of spine ailment. I saw this vlog by mistake.

  • @Dr-Shlomo-Cohen
    @Dr-Shlomo-Cohen Před rokem

    If caudal equina is peripheral nerves and not cns, how do we explain the fact that its before ganglion (synapses) after the foramina?

  • @josipag2185
    @josipag2185 Před 2 lety

    Good job, wish you explaind just a bit more abiut etiology mention the key thing as reflexes are that can be distinguish more objetive in radiculopathy and in general and because of forming plexus other things are overlaping always, that achiles reflex is missing and patelar reflex is there in conus syndrome. Also, bilateral like you said, in real life is not always simetrical due to its etiology and well it is not complete medular section nor hemisection - also it can cause also sensory sistem disociation loosing TA, but like you said perfect comes in the test only.

  • @ajitmadhual1511
    @ajitmadhual1511 Před 4 lety

    Awesome explanation

  • @vijayanand2211
    @vijayanand2211 Před 5 lety +1

    Awsme explanation... loved it

  • @frankfromupstateny3796
    @frankfromupstateny3796 Před 6 lety +2

    So what does one do...whose been trying to "talk the talk for 20 years to physicians" about sexual numbness, bowel weaknesses,...etc? I feel like I'm talking to the "living dead" when discussing this...it's tough to do "in it's own right"...but physicians think I'm crazy?

    • @foxfur8327
      @foxfur8327 Před 4 lety

      Yes, as with most everyone with this screaming spinal pain and inability to have a bowel movement more than once everyy 7 to 8 days without so much laxative it makes you violently ill. You might try to ask for a colostomy bag if you have no desire whatsoever to go and have severe 24 hour spinal and leg pain. I have never seen any solution to trigger the muscles that people need in order to be able to go, so most will suffer with extreme pain for many years. Another alternative will be that you will unexpectedly fill your pants from both ends when you go out. More doctors will understand when they themselves start doing this in front of their..patients.

    • @albanymountainhomestead
      @albanymountainhomestead Před 4 lety

      I too have the numbness to my female parts, which has little sensation.

  • @novu16
    @novu16 Před 4 lety

    why does cms not affect lumbar plexus if cms is part of spinal cord then a lesion there would be upper motor and should have loss of function below cms which includes both lumber and sacral, can some one explain pls

  • @aamir7790
    @aamir7790 Před 4 lety

    in month of Dec2019 ,I faced CES surgery , but now some portion of lower back ,sensory do not working still..can any expert guide to recover this ,

  • @DougKremer
    @DougKremer Před 3 lety +1

    I'm developing symptoms of CESS from a L4/L5 central disc extrusion 12 years ago. I go to a Urologist to get everything in their realm checked out for exclusionary reasons. I explained whats going on, what I think it is, and we decide to do a full exam, for the first time ever in my life at 45.
    First pass is all good, then he thinks for a minute and says "I want to check some reflexes but I don't want to tell you what they are first because it might spoil the results, can you trust me and just go with it?"
    "Sure Doc"
    *BC reflex test stimulus*, pause, "hrmm" from him.
    *BC reflex test stimulus* multiple times. "hrmm" from him again.
    Me: "Are you expecting some sort of clown nose honk?"
    Dr: big laugh and he asks me to stand back up and then he explains the test and how I failed miserably, and that he is very concerned.

  • @janecope6434
    @janecope6434 Před 2 lety

    I've had back pain for 5 years its now effecting my legs, there in a lot of pain when i walk will it be my spine making them painful

  • @anmolshah5653
    @anmolshah5653 Před 5 lety +1

    Good effort
    Just wanted to clarify isn't bulbocavernosus superficial reflex ?
    Shouldn't it be absent in both?
    Plz correct me if wrong!!!

    • @MedMessyNotes
      @MedMessyNotes  Před 5 lety +2

      I answered this somewhere else in this comment section if you scroll through, but in a nutshell: A diminished or absent BCR means that there is a LMN lesion. CES will show an absent BCR (if the lesion is in the sacral segments). However, while CMS may show an absent BCR, it is more likely than CES to show a preserved BCR due to the possibility of having a an isolated UMN lesion. So, on an exam, if there is ever a preserved BCR, the answer is likely to be CMS. BCR should not be your lifeline though. You will have other clues.

    • @anmolshah5653
      @anmolshah5653 Před 5 lety

      Thnxx Dr . I tried to go by the Golden rule that superficial reflexes are always absent be it LMN or UMN. Thnxx for the reply sir.

  • @ninagraceacosta6606
    @ninagraceacosta6606 Před rokem

    What can i do to regain my bladder and bowel...cause of Conus Modullaris syndrome

  • @musfirahfareed968
    @musfirahfareed968 Před 4 lety

    best explanation

  • @ankitshrivastava5655
    @ankitshrivastava5655 Před 6 lety +1

    Sir, 2 months back, i generated symptoms like...needling in genital part and in buttocks. At the same time, i had problem with erection and proper control on peeing. By proper control on peeing, i mean i was able to retain the pee and release it but in releasing, in the last, i had no control to jerk the pee out of body. The symptoms were gone in 3-4 days then. But since 4 days, the symptoms appeared again. I have needling in genital part, erection problem and not proper flow of urine with burning sensation. Is it a sign of cauda equina syndrome?

  • @user-vi2tc3eb5o
    @user-vi2tc3eb5o Před 6 lety +1

    great one!

  • @fatimamajid9870
    @fatimamajid9870 Před 6 lety +1

    A fantastic explanation !! You mad it so much easy thank you .. but The bulbocavernosus reflex (S2-S4) is absent in conus medullaris syndrome !!! You said it preserved how ???

    • @MedMessyNotes
      @MedMessyNotes  Před 6 lety +3

      The presence of a bulbocavernosus reflex (BCR) is indicative of an intact S2-S4 spinal reflex. Moreover, an absent BCR indicates a LMN lesion while an intact BCR indicates an UMN lesion (if you're differentiating between UMN and LMN lesions because an intact BCR is obviously normal). So cauda equina will have an absent BCR if the sacral segments are impacted since it is a LMN pathology. Conus medullaris can have a preserved BCR since it has UMN in addition to LMN.
      So, while it is not cut and dry, conus medullaris is more likely to show a preserved BCR while cauda equina is more likely to show a diminished BCR.

    • @fatimamajid9870
      @fatimamajid9870 Před 6 lety +2

      Dr. My Messy Notes that was so much clarified .. thank you for the answering :)

    • @hedayaalmilad7186
      @hedayaalmilad7186 Před 4 lety

      @@MedMessyNotes but the bulbocavernous reflex is polysynaptic. It is absent in both UMN and LMN lesions.

    • @MedMessyNotes
      @MedMessyNotes  Před 4 lety

      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29423307/

    • @DougKremer
      @DougKremer Před 3 lety

      The BCR is reflex arc is fully contained in the lower cord, CES breaks it, but CMS happens above it.

  • @tinacollins943
    @tinacollins943 Před 4 lety

    I have L5S1 and 6 I can’t hold my bowels or urine my discs burst backward and severed my nerves is this why I have this problem

  • @reemaanjum1370
    @reemaanjum1370 Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you so much

  • @dr.noir27
    @dr.noir27 Před 5 lety

    bulbocavernous decreases in ces , just like other reflexes such patellar , ankle, detrusor , cremastric !!

  • @uttambhatta95
    @uttambhatta95 Před 6 lety +1

    thanks a lot....

  • @step_zero
    @step_zero Před 4 lety

    very nice !

  • @morgancalvi6675
    @morgancalvi6675 Před 4 lety

    You're saying where things are...but not showing anything.But based on the comments, others seemed to get it. Am I missing something?

    • @MedMessyNotes
      @MedMessyNotes  Před 4 lety +1

      Yea, I am showing it. Sorry that it's hard to see in this video. Try to look closely and you'll see it.

    • @morgancalvi6675
      @morgancalvi6675 Před 4 lety +1

      @@MedMessyNotes I got it....

  • @abyss8501
    @abyss8501 Před 4 lety

    use large and visible pointer..

  • @kalac6178
    @kalac6178 Před 6 lety

    Hii im confused about the part where the cauda equina syndrome affects lumbosacral roots while conus medullaris syndrome affects sacral cord segments and roots. Can anyone help to clarify this? thanks!

    • @aakashchoudhary8181
      @aakashchoudhary8181 Před 6 lety +1

      Clara C conus medullaris is involving sacral part of spinal cord (distal most part) so will involve only sacral nerves exiting from there. In cauda equina, both lumbar and sacral nerves are involved (not the spinal cord part, only nerves thatswhy asymmetrical too).

    • @kalac6178
      @kalac6178 Před 6 lety

      thanks!

    • @sosunbakr1217
      @sosunbakr1217 Před 4 lety

      AAKASH CHOUDHARY cauda equina could be in trokal nerves?

  • @Purple_Med
    @Purple_Med Před 2 lety

    Thank youuuu

  • @10thtan
    @10thtan Před 5 lety +1

    you're a champ

  • @Ri-yf5oq
    @Ri-yf5oq Před 4 lety

    Crystal clear

  • @abu-farhanrizvi1278
    @abu-farhanrizvi1278 Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic video ,,,,,DR RIZVI

  • @rathasasnwridiman3483

    wow bad hand writing but really great content

  • @mello57
    @mello57 Před 3 lety

    bn