At the end of the day, the problem with these agencies is that they do not actually know what makes an application stand out to ICA. Nobody does. So that means they are only guessing like everyone else, and of course it's possible to make your guesses sound very well-reasoned and logical (as the lady in this video does). But the bottom line doesn't change - they are guessing as well. This doesn't change no matter how articulate they may be. It's a sweet deal for them because they don't have any success/failure standards to meet or be measured against i.e. there's no way to know if they've actually done a good job or not. They can always blame ICA or quota. So their claims are completely unfalsifiable.
I understand that because you have access to the track record of so many applications - you know what definitely doesn't work so if you get rejected a few times, it's natural that you go reach out for help. As long as you don't go for an agency that is selling you certitude - if so it's definitely a scam!
@NewtoSingapore it's still doubtful that they have information that is not already publicly available though. Because nobody even knows how many criteria there are, nor how those change over time. I wonder if these agencies can really give you any additional information that you could not find on an expat forum or group. The cynical side of me just thinks they're preying on foreigners willing to do anything to raise their chances, regardless of whether it's rational or not. But even if it's just for psychological comfort/assurance that "spending this few thousand dollars can make my application stronger," then perhaps some would be willing to spend it!
@@NewtoSingapore Actually the other commentator is quite right. ICA is so fking opague & their goal post keep changing. If u read the news, a few case of PRC masseuse/ KTV hostess who was arrested for vice was found out to be a PR. For singapore, WHERE u come from matters more. As some commentator mentioned, even CEO have difficulties.
I’ve approached these consultants before. Do know that once they take your money, they ll just provide filling of paper work and forms for you. I’ve cconsulted some of these agents and they are non responsive after payment is made. I’ve had a bad experience with them
Hi Amandine, thanks for sharing tips on the PR applications. These supporting documentations, were are we supposed to send them? I also got fooled my the fact that you cannot supply them online. Should we mail them to ICA directly? Thanks.
That's the "know-how" of the agency so it's a secret that they are trying to keep 😅 If I have to apply one more time and want to submit the documents, i would try to put it in the section where they ask about your employer letter 🤷♀️
A journey of a thousand steps begin with you first step. Congratulations Amandine, you have begun your journey. Persevere and don't lose heart. You will get there in the end, if you persevere.
This was very helpful with lots of great advice. What would you say the price is to hire these consultants for a PR application for someone in your situation?
It depends on what you need - I think if I get rejected and want to apply again, I will at least get their services to review my documents (it’s a couple hundreds dollars) Then if there is a lot of work needed, to get their help from start to finish it’s from $2k+
Keep your fingers crossed and wait for your results. Normally, you will notify within short period if your application rejected. Only those short listed have to wait for a bit longer. Good luck to you. 😊
My friend’s 2 daughters were given citizenship status but her son has been rejected repeatedly. I wonder why. It’s been very sad for them and the boy is totally willing to do NS… 😢
It can be really disheartening when there's no clear reason for the rejection. I hope they continue to stay strong and not lose hope. Perhaps seeking advice from a PR consultancy might help 😢🙏
The government is more willing to grant citizenships to women than to men, probably because... men tend to be less malleable and more commitment is required from male citizens. This is reflected more clearly in how foreign women who marry citizens can get citizenship in 2 years whereas for foreign men, being married to a citizen only helps in the available paths to citizenship but doesn't even open up a new path itself.
It would be great if someone from the ICA stumbled upon your blog. Singapore welcomes individuals like you, who possess a heart and passion that even some Singaporeans lack. One can sense your affection for living here through your videos.
People keep parroting Safety as the main attraction of singapore. If u really value safety, there are 5 countries safer than singapore because we are 6th in the world. Don't forget singapore financial security is very bad. Most of your salary will go into housing, tax, inflated prices. Singapore is a land of a thousand small taxes, that bleed u to death ultimately. The people who are enjoying are above 60 who bot their HDB at 150k back in the 90s.
Safety is indeed one of the factors people value here, but it’s not the only reason people choose to live in Singapore. For me, Singapore’s diverse culture and quality of life also play significant roles. As for the cost of living, it’s true that it can be high, especially when it comes to housing. However, I think it’s important to consider the overall package-like the strong healthcare system, reliable public transport, and the vibrant job market. Everyone has their own priorities when choosing where to live, and it’s about finding the right balance that works for you!
@@NewtoSingapore First I do welcome more of diversity of foreigners like yourself. However reality is different What u wrote sounds like a singapore tourism brochure. "diversity" surely u don't mean the overwhelming chinese/PRC/Indian National mix with 5% others? There are 100s of countries with REAL diversity with a mix from 160 countries. "Quality of life" Hot boring, and most stressfull & most worked hours country in ASIA? "Reliable public transport" Yeah a small island we need almost 2 hours from tuas to changi ? Jam eveywhere despite EPR & COE? MRT that u have to queue up twice because its full? "Medical" Tell that to my grandmother & many who had to wait for more than 24hrs for a bed. And btw, would u trust a doctor from delhi ? Well we import them by the 100s. But since they are "approved" by Spore, well they must be the best.. yeah?
Go marry a Singaporean and hopefully you will get a son or two. Having contribution to NS will be very helpful lol. My Spaniard ex-boss who is GM in a top-tier Singapore GLC still got his PR application rejected despite having 2 sons so good luck 🤞
Getting citizenship through marriage to a citizen is actually very different for males and females. Females who marry a citizen can take the special path that only requires living in singapore for 2 years to get citizenship whereas such a path doesn't even exist for men. For men, being married to a citizen is just a bonus they take into consideration when you apply through the usual ways.
do not mislead her, while this was possible long ago. Now they have sealed this loophole. Better to marry an aussie or Asian citizen in EU USA, but pls don't marry a singaporean. If u have a son, he will be RISKING his live in the army for 2 years. In 2024 we aint got no time to waste.
Why do people even think like this? You’re taking your son’s freedom away so you can live in Singapore. As someone who was born a dual citizen, served in the mandatory military, got a chronic injury and then had to renounce citizenship of that country right after because they don’t allow dual nationality, it’s disgusting to see some people think about doing this so they can get a PR status. You’re screwing over your own child.
Hello, I advise you don’t focus on the success record - from my experience, agencies with high success record are faking it by shortlisting their candidate!
YES 100% CAN SINGAPORE GOV IS DESPERATE OF FOREIGN TALENT BECAUSE SINGAPORE HAD ZERO TALENT BUT SINGAPORE PREFER CHINA CHINESE THAT IS BILLIONAIRE BECAUSE SINGAPORE HAD TO BUILD UP MORE CHINESE IN SINGAPORE THAT SURROUNDED BY MALAY.🙈🙈🙈🙈
Singapore’s government does focus on attracting foreign talent to sustain economic growth, but it also values maintaining a balance in its diverse population. Discussions about race, nationality, and immigration can be sensitive, and it’s important to approach them with respect and understanding for different perspectives!
@@NewtoSingapore BY OVER ATTRACTING FOREIGNER TALENT TO GROW THE ECONOMY IS A VERY OLD PLAY BOOK THAT BEEN USE FOR FEW HUNDRED YEARS. IF THE WORLD CONTINUE TO USE THE ANCIENT METHOD THEN TODAY YOU DON’T HAVE COMPUTER,AI,FACEBOOK,ZOOM AND MANY NEW INVENTIONS. HELLO DON’T WAIT TILL YOUR HOUSE ON FIRE THEN GOT THE COURAGE TO LOOK INTO THOSE SENSITIVE ISSUE. UK SOON GOING TO REACH THE TIPING POINT OF CIVIL WAR BETWEEN THE WHITE AND MUSLIM. JUST SEE,WAIT AND WATCH THE TROUBLE ARRIVE AT YOUR DOOR STEP.🙈🙈🙈
At the end of the day, the problem with these agencies is that they do not actually know what makes an application stand out to ICA. Nobody does. So that means they are only guessing like everyone else, and of course it's possible to make your guesses sound very well-reasoned and logical (as the lady in this video does). But the bottom line doesn't change - they are guessing as well. This doesn't change no matter how articulate they may be.
It's a sweet deal for them because they don't have any success/failure standards to meet or be measured against i.e. there's no way to know if they've actually done a good job or not. They can always blame ICA or quota. So their claims are completely unfalsifiable.
I understand that because you have access to the track record of so many applications - you know what definitely doesn't work so if you get rejected a few times, it's natural that you go reach out for help. As long as you don't go for an agency that is selling you certitude - if so it's definitely a scam!
@NewtoSingapore it's still doubtful that they have information that is not already publicly available though. Because nobody even knows how many criteria there are, nor how those change over time. I wonder if these agencies can really give you any additional information that you could not find on an expat forum or group. The cynical side of me just thinks they're preying on foreigners willing to do anything to raise their chances, regardless of whether it's rational or not.
But even if it's just for psychological comfort/assurance that "spending this few thousand dollars can make my application stronger," then perhaps some would be willing to spend it!
@@NewtoSingapore Actually the other commentator is quite right. ICA is so fking opague & their goal post keep changing. If u read the news, a few case of PRC masseuse/ KTV hostess who was arrested for vice was found out to be a PR. For singapore, WHERE u come from matters more. As some commentator mentioned, even CEO have difficulties.
I’ve approached these consultants before.
Do know that once they take your money, they ll just provide filling of paper work and forms for you. I’ve cconsulted some of these agents and they are non responsive after payment is made. I’ve had a bad experience with them
Do you mean this agency in particular or other agencies?
@@NewtoSingapore this and two Others
Hi Amandine, thanks for sharing tips on the PR applications. These supporting documentations, were are we supposed to send them? I also got fooled my the fact that you cannot supply them online. Should we mail them to ICA directly? Thanks.
That's the "know-how" of the agency so it's a secret that they are trying to keep 😅 If I have to apply one more time and want to submit the documents, i would try to put it in the section where they ask about your employer letter 🤷♀️
A journey of a thousand steps begin with you first step. Congratulations Amandine, you have begun your journey. Persevere and don't lose heart. You will get there in the end, if you persevere.
Thank you so much for your encouraging words! I'll definitely keep pushing forward and staying positive 🙏✨
@NewtoSingapore, vous êtes la bienvenue, Amandine. Comme on dit, si vous n'essayez pas, la réponse sera toujours NON.
This was very helpful with lots of great advice. What would you say the price is to hire these consultants for a PR application for someone in your situation?
It depends on what you need - I think if I get rejected and want to apply again, I will at least get their services to review my documents (it’s a couple hundreds dollars)
Then if there is a lot of work needed, to get their help from start to finish it’s from $2k+
Keep your fingers crossed and wait for your results. Normally, you will notify within short period if your application rejected. Only those short listed have to wait for a bit longer. Good luck to you. 😊
Thank you so much! 😊 I’ll definitely keep my fingers crossed and stay hopeful. Waiting can be nerve-wracking, but I’m trying to stay positive!
My friend’s 2 daughters were given citizenship status but her son has been rejected repeatedly. I wonder why. It’s been very sad for them and the boy is totally willing to do NS… 😢
I guess SG needs feminine gender. 😂
It can be really disheartening when there's no clear reason for the rejection. I hope they continue to stay strong and not lose hope. Perhaps seeking advice from a PR consultancy might help 😢🙏
The government is more willing to grant citizenships to women than to men, probably because... men tend to be less malleable and more commitment is required from male citizens. This is reflected more clearly in how foreign women who marry citizens can get citizenship in 2 years whereas for foreign men, being married to a citizen only helps in the available paths to citizenship but doesn't even open up a new path itself.
I can relate to you haha.. Just keep trying, hopefully we can get it soon! Jia You... ;)
All the best! When did you apply? Or not yet?
It would be great if someone from the ICA stumbled upon your blog. Singapore welcomes individuals like you, who possess a heart and passion that even some Singaporeans lack. One can sense your affection for living here through your videos.
Not sure it would help my case haha! In a sense, I'm the one that have been profiting a lot from Singapore!
People keep parroting Safety as the main attraction of singapore. If u really value safety, there are 5 countries safer than singapore because we are 6th in the world. Don't forget singapore financial security is very bad. Most of your salary will go into housing, tax, inflated prices. Singapore is a land of a thousand small taxes, that bleed u to death ultimately. The people who are enjoying are above 60 who bot their HDB at 150k back in the 90s.
Safety is indeed one of the factors people value here, but it’s not the only reason people choose to live in Singapore. For me, Singapore’s diverse culture and quality of life also play significant roles.
As for the cost of living, it’s true that it can be high, especially when it comes to housing. However, I think it’s important to consider the overall package-like the strong healthcare system, reliable public transport, and the vibrant job market. Everyone has their own priorities when choosing where to live, and it’s about finding the right balance that works for you!
@@NewtoSingapore
First I do welcome more of diversity of foreigners like yourself. However reality is different
What u wrote sounds like a singapore tourism brochure.
"diversity"
surely u don't mean the overwhelming chinese/PRC/Indian National mix with 5% others?
There are 100s of countries with REAL diversity with a mix from 160 countries.
"Quality of life"
Hot boring, and most stressfull & most worked hours country in ASIA?
"Reliable public transport"
Yeah a small island we need almost 2 hours from tuas to changi ? Jam eveywhere despite EPR & COE? MRT that u have to queue up twice because its full?
"Medical"
Tell that to my grandmother & many who had to wait for more than 24hrs for a bed. And btw, would u trust a doctor from delhi ? Well we import them by the 100s.
But since they are "approved" by Spore, well they must be the best.. yeah?
Go marry a Singaporean and hopefully you will get a son or two. Having contribution to NS will be very helpful lol. My Spaniard ex-boss who is GM in a top-tier Singapore GLC still got his PR application rejected despite having 2 sons so good luck 🤞
Alternatively you can come to "The land down under" where I'm living now, I reckoned the chances of getting PR with your background is much higher! 😅
When I hear about those stories of people getting rejected even though they have both the money and the family - I’m not very hopeful haha
Getting citizenship through marriage to a citizen is actually very different for males and females.
Females who marry a citizen can take the special path that only requires living in singapore for 2 years to get citizenship whereas such a path doesn't even exist for men. For men, being married to a citizen is just a bonus they take into consideration when you apply through the usual ways.
do not mislead her, while this was possible long ago. Now they have sealed this loophole. Better to marry an aussie or Asian citizen in EU USA, but pls don't marry a singaporean. If u have a son, he will be RISKING his live in the army for 2 years. In 2024 we aint got no time to waste.
Why do people even think like this? You’re taking your son’s freedom away so you can live in Singapore. As someone who was born a dual citizen, served in the mandatory military, got a chronic injury and then had to renounce citizenship of that country right after because they don’t allow dual nationality, it’s disgusting to see some people think about doing this so they can get a PR status. You’re screwing over your own child.
Amandine, what’s the success record of this consultancy?
I wish you the best of luck!
Hello, I advise you don’t focus on the success record - from my experience, agencies with high success record are faking it by shortlisting their candidate!
HI Amandine,
I wish you best of luck in getting your PR applications approved.
Thank you - still pending at the moment!!
merci c'était grave interessant, meme si je suis trees loin de demander le pr
On sait jamais quand le temps sera venu 🤭
Anyone who is an asset to the country is welcome. Due process applies.
Yes, it’s more about proving that you are an asset!
YES 100% CAN SINGAPORE GOV IS DESPERATE OF FOREIGN TALENT BECAUSE SINGAPORE HAD ZERO TALENT BUT SINGAPORE PREFER CHINA CHINESE THAT IS BILLIONAIRE BECAUSE SINGAPORE HAD TO BUILD UP MORE CHINESE IN SINGAPORE THAT SURROUNDED BY MALAY.🙈🙈🙈🙈
Singapore’s government does focus on attracting foreign talent to sustain economic growth, but it also values maintaining a balance in its diverse population.
Discussions about race, nationality, and immigration can be sensitive, and it’s important to approach them with respect and understanding for different perspectives!
@@NewtoSingapore BY OVER ATTRACTING FOREIGNER TALENT TO GROW THE ECONOMY IS A VERY OLD PLAY BOOK THAT BEEN USE FOR FEW HUNDRED YEARS. IF THE WORLD CONTINUE TO USE THE ANCIENT METHOD THEN TODAY YOU DON’T HAVE COMPUTER,AI,FACEBOOK,ZOOM AND MANY NEW INVENTIONS. HELLO DON’T WAIT TILL YOUR HOUSE ON FIRE THEN GOT THE COURAGE TO LOOK INTO THOSE SENSITIVE ISSUE. UK SOON GOING TO REACH THE TIPING POINT OF CIVIL WAR BETWEEN THE WHITE AND MUSLIM. JUST SEE,WAIT AND WATCH THE TROUBLE ARRIVE AT YOUR DOOR STEP.🙈🙈🙈
The video looks like an ad of a scam company.
Which part?
Please Charm the ICA officer with your beautiful Blue Eye. 😂 if not, you will turn them into pumpkin. 🤣
No corruption in Singapore haha