The later Sith ideal of power was power wielded by ONESELF. Relying on artifacts would be seen as a crutch, an invitation for an apprentice to steal them, and also as potential proof of the sith's continued existence should they fall into jedi hands. Im surprised Bane didnt forbid their creation.
It makes sense too, since the Sith get stronger through succession. I think the closest thing you're allowed to a crutch is having an apprentice as an apprentice.
i care not for disneys new lore -in the book of sith, it is described how sith light saber crystals are constructed via some raw elements and dark side meditation. ~Much like the relics, the crystals were manifestations of THEIR WILL. So, its actualyl a good thing to MAKE relics, but it would demonstrate weakness to be a mere user.
If the sith were to be fully destroyed (via rule of 2) artifacts act as a failsafe, a regular individual who is force sensitive may become sith and retain some level of strength compared to those before. Through hundreds of generations there is little concern of the siths complete destruction as another artifact will be uncovered someday. Bane was interested in the increase in the siths power, he's not unaware of risks towards that path regarding the rule of 2 has.
The Sith under Palpatine did not rule through the Force. They ruled through military might. It is no accident in that one iconic scene, the gathered generals and admirals at Tarkin's table in the Death Star scoff at Vader and regard him as an outdated relic of a bygone era. With Star Destroyers, the Stormtroopers and especially the Death Star, the necessity for the pageantry of the Sith was largely overcome. And even when, after the destruction of the first Death Star, Vader becomes the chief operative on Palpatine's plan to destroy the Rebellion, he does so not because of his role as a Sith Lord, but as the commander of the Imperial war machine. His own flagship - the Executor - was a testament to this: a mobile space station owing little to the first Death Star itself, guarded by swarms of Imperial Star Destroyers and foreboding the coming of the second Death Star.
I mean true but he did plan to rule with the force eventually and he probably would not be able to maintain power without it. The death star is a force weapon the world destroying beam was fueled by kyber crystals which as we know kyber crystals have the force in them, it's pretty much just a massive lightsaber for Palpatine.
Those gathered officers scoff because they've only read about Jedi and Sith in books of fable; Tarkin is the only one of them who has ever seen the powers of either up close, and the hubris of at least one of the officers results in great pain and\or death.
@@calebsargent6902 Except Palpatine didn't intend to "rule through the Force". This is a fan-written recontextualisation that doubles down on too much old EU sources that wanted weird wizard Palpatine to take the center stage over the crooked, frail-looking tyrant with a penchant for making mass murder weapons and use them, and not the Force, to rule the galaxy. What's even more, the Original Trilogy Palpatine, that was the single most powerful Force-user in the Galaxy but still chose to rule through technological terrors rather than his Force Lightning, is perfectly in line with the actual philosophical differences between the Sith and the Jedi. The Sith hoarded power and knowledge, greedily and jealously. Sith Masters did not willingly surrender or bestow knowledge to their apprentices. Their apprentices had to rip the knowledge out forcefully, so to speak. Palpatine was never meant to be the sponsor of baby Vader and his bumbling band of morons with unhinged personalities and spinning lightsabers. To the Sith, the Force was the ultimate power and a very special gift, so it was not meant for the masses to appreciate or even be terrified by, it was meant to be the tools of a select few. A select two, to be more exact. To the galaxy at large, the Emperor was not the Dark Lord of the Sith, but the frail-looking scary tyrant with a deep voice and a hideous face. It was his will, and the strength of his purpose and vision for the galaxy, that caused some of the most sinister but brilliant minds, like Tarkin and Thrawn, to subscribe so loyally to Palpatine's Empire. And while Motti is made to look like an idiot for disregarding the power of the Force, he is not wrong in his assesment. Even Darth Vader, who makes the specific point of reminding Motti that the Force was also formidable, was a bigger threat at the head of Death Squadron than simply on his own. Even new canon also pays homage to this notion. The very fact that the new writers decided to put kyber crystals at the heart of the functionality of the Death Star is a genius move. It takes one of the most exotic and ephemeral aspects of Jedi lore - the use of kyber crystals to power their lightsabers, acquired through profoundly spiritual experiences in the planet Ilum - and twists and corrupts it into weapons of mass destruction to be used at the beck and call of a regular joe, like Tarkin, completely divorced from the gifts of the Force.
Yes, because Palpafail had no Attunement to the Force. Vader hardly had too. Which weakened both. The Modern Sith aren't even a shadow of the Ancient Sith, Force wise. Now, Palpy had immense power in regard to manipulation, but combat/Force Powers wise? He was nada, compared to the Old Masters. I mean, having to make your Master SO drunk, he waved in and out comatic state, to be able to kill him? BAH! And only because he had no patience, he could not resist that title.
I figured that the more modern Sith would have cast away a most of these artefacts for a few reasons: 1) They were constructed by previous Sith and while records may show them somewhat successful they could not achieve the goals of the current Sith. 2) To dominate the Force and all others, it almost means that they (the Sith) claim their own power to be the Dark Side; and what prideful Sith would want their own power to be aided by one who was weaker than them? The culmination of the Sith is to be greater and stronger that the Sith before, to beholden to the past can obscure their future, and to one such as Palpatine, to exist always as an unstoppable eternal force was his ambition. 3) As explained in the video, age corrodes the artefacts' power, the artefacts aren't at the potential they once were, some stand the test of time but fewer are useful to the modern Sith who value practicality and instant results.
The artefacts were items of personal power. While the Sith in the days of Palpatine had no lack of personal power to go around, the Sith never created their plans to depend upon personal power to succeed. It's a fundamental shift in philosophy. Every duel between a Sith Lord and a Jedi in the prequels is actually a travesty: all the Sith Lord really needed to do was survive, because the ultimate trap for the Jedi was set and by the time Dooku unleashed the Clone Wars, it is already too late.
I somewhat agree the main reason why modern sith abandoned these artifacts was a fundamental change in their philosophy with the rule of 2. The rule of 2 consolidated all of the Sith's previous power and knowledge into 2 individuals so there wasn't a need to search for old artifacts when it was more important to develop something new that could be passed down. However the ancient Sith were constantly competing with each other and trying to gain every advantage they could over their rivals so they would seek out these artifacts of power.
I always liked the idea of alchemy and artifacts in Star Wars. It's cool to see all of these enchanted items and whatnot with different effects and I kinda wish they were more prominent...
Wouldn’t Vader’s suit eventually become entwined with his own energies, and ultimately become an artifact itself? We even see Ren develop a fascination with his mask, so I’m surprised we haven’t seen some lore about it. Perhaps there is or will be some lore about Vader’s suit, and I’m just ignorant to it.
I went and read about this and I'd just like to say thank you for providing an accurate and precise explanation of the understanding, it is extremely valuable and appreciated! :D
What better way to get the attention of the Jedi than to carry around something radiating dark side energy? When the rule of two was invoked and the Sith went into a “cloak & dagger” modus operandus, it would’ve been like wearing an “I’m a Sith Lord” sign. Also, Palpatine was far too arrogant to try achieving his goals using anything other than his own abilities. Say he used the meditation chamber; one could easily say “he’s only powerful because of that relic”. It likely also would’ve been seen as a crutch to Palpatine; something of a handicap that limited him when he was without it. I found the scene in Rebels with him using “magic” to be very out of character for Palpatine. Though the prize he was after was one of nearly limitless power, I never imagined him using something akin to the Witches of Dathomir. Then again, being able to play with time itself could’ve been the key to his immortality. As far as lesser artifacts were concerned, they were just that; lesser. Just my two cents ✌️
I think the problem is more about Star Wars having a fucking time machine than how Palpatine reacted to it. The World Between Worlds was by far the most powerful artifact any sith had ever seen. He grabs that and I don't think even Abeloth could stop him. He did whatever he possibly could to get the stupidly OP prize.
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 As would nearly anyone; Jedi or Sith. I don’t think “time machine” is quite the right term, but I also don’t see it as an “artifact” either. To me, it’s more like a natural phenomenon; much like the force itself. In all seriousness, Ezra should’ve never gained access to it without his mind or soul being shredded in the process. Same with Ahsoka. Maybe we’ll find out more now that the Ahsoka series seems to be moving ahead. There’s also talk of a crossover with Obi-Wan, which wouldn’t be outside of Filoni’s expertise/predilection. Rebels ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, with Ezra and Thrawn not actually being shown to have died. Plus, Ahsoka already mentioned she was looking for him in The Mandalorian. I like, too, how Ahsoka was pulled forward in time rather than Ezra going back (though we could probably debate that to some degree). Here’s hoping we never get to stop asking questions 🤞😁
If you think in evolutionary means, the early Sith needed to acquire and/or create artifacts in order to gain dominance. After Darth Bain changed the landscape with one action; no trinket was necessary when you only have one other individual coveting your throne. Great research. Great channel. Thanks!
I imagine possessing a sith artifact in an age where the Jedi greatly outnumber and unbalance the force would cause a level of anxiety akin to possessing illegal contraband in an era of militant prohibition.
I love the fact that you understood that Vader was always using the meditation chamber. This goes hand in hand with Sidious having shared the knowledge of Revan/Banes holocron and the history of dark side seer that was once Darth Nihlus’ slave who used that specific artifact. This might have been an idea of palpatine to make sure he was able to keep an eye on Vader as this would center him in the darkside more and being a big signal booster is almost a guarantee as there aren’t any significant force wielders openly and blatantly putting their abilities on display as a show and force of power like Vader or the emperor do. It also like seemed to be used to track down force sensitive beings in general while applying the concept of reaching out in the force to feel others specific with that intent. Easily a tool used to continue order 66.
I heard that the rule of two line of siths believed in the power that came from within and that Bane believed if you need artifacts to gain more power then you don't deserve it
And yet Darth Bane himself used the holocrons of Darth Revan, Freedon Nadd, Darth Andeddu and others to build his power. And created a holocron of his own.
I stopped the video at 4 minutes and 24 seconds to take a guess and say that the sith stopped using these because it left them less reliant on seeking out more power for themselves through training and came to the conclusion that it left them stagnant in their quest for attaining as much power as possible themselves not power borrowed through items
Shive: collects sith artifacts that he displays openly in his office, gives away information or receives information that even the jedi isnt aware of and very invested in training anakin! Jedi Council: I allow it!
You should make a video about Vader's meditation chamber. I've always wondered what all the little things inside are for. You can mostly see them on the top half when it opens. It seems like it would be sort of a deprivation chamber, but there's all kinds of stuff inside.
in the game called Star Wars: The Old Republic an Online game it old republic era if play scoerecer aka the 1 with froce lighting powers u able be doing Ancient Sith Artifacts things
Correct me if I'm wrong; Wasn't Darth Bane's whole ideal that maintaining the sith rulers to a master and an apprentice consolidated the force to the master, strengthening the masters connection? And if the artifacts were made to give a boost of dark side energy to the weilder but was considered a gift from the dark side, but where no longer used during the later time of the rule of two that would mean that Darth Bane was accurate in his thinking that one to master and one to learn, kept the might of the dark side at its strongest, wouldn't it? In turn making the need for the "gifts of the dark side, force, not needed, during the later stages of the rule of two? Thoughts?
Hey I know this is an odd request but is there any possible way you can post up the background music links? I liked the background music you used though it was subtle.
Bevel Lemelisk’s clones the the Emperor used to transfer his essence into a new body each time the emperor had him killed, Darksaber novel, Callista as well.
They totally missed an opportunity with the force awakens to have the star destroyer on Jaku be the one equipped with Vader's meditation chamber. Thus giving Rey a back story for why she's knowledgeable in the force. She could have been receiving training from Anakin not knowing anything about Vader or his grandson. This information having been discovered by Kylo Ren during his interrogation of Rey would have motivated his hate and rage. He'd been trying to reach Vader all these years and the whole time he'd been indulging some scavenger as Anakin. Killing his father, his wreckless wanton rage in attacking Rey in their duel, it all would have been more palpable.
Admiral Ozzel was on the same ship when Darth Vader Force Choked him. They were both on The Executor, Vader in his chambers and Ozzel on the bridge. Still an impressive distance, given we usually only see it used on those in the same room. But Ozzel was not on a different ship.
this is kind of a dumb question and recently found this channel but how do you know all this like is there spacific books that talk about these stores or is this information youve gained from everything you've learned over time bc I'm just now getting in to the books and graphic novels
Unreliable, costly to the wielder, apt to be stolen or destroyed, and apt to give otherwise compliant underlings ideas. Now, that one artifact at the far right of the screen at 2:36 - it ensured that the wielder always has infinite prep time.
exar kun Didn't need his artifacts to be powerful he used it to channel his own power to use force blast and some sith magic exar kun was more powerful than nihiluis revan and bane
@@matthewweise8776 he was above revan since he gained more power than revan in a short amount of time also he vitiate and papaltine reborn were the only sith lords to ever archive formless spiritual cosmic ghost form without the need of a body coil, luke Skywalker compared exar kun with emperor papaltine reborn, luke Skywalker at the time he face exar kun was like 3 times stronger than vader
@@matthewweise8776 no exar kun for mastered the dark of the force the same way vitiate and papaltine reborn did, he became one with dark side and was more powerful than revan, revan never archive god like hood
The Bat-Holocron, and next to it the Symbol of Cthulhu-Holocron....... dear God, imagine if Lovecraftian Entities existed in Star Wars. The only one that I know of is Abeloth, but do others exist that weren't originally human?
credit due, i don't think before now i ever saw anyone even suggest the meditation chamber was an artifact, on the other hand only one character in star wars as far as I saw ever had one. I just assumed this was something special made for him.
I just finished the darth babe series of books I was looking for suggestions on old novels to read. I’m more interested in the old lore not the newer “canon”
Palpatine seems like he would value truly having power above getting it from an object. In fact, he totally seems like he would scoff and look down on most but the most unique/powerful of them. A dark side artifact snob.
maybe vaders meditation chamber also functioned as radar for Vader so he can sense jedis or force sensetives better from his travel through space or help him to look forward for complactions.
I have a question it’s about the sith artefact in Vader right hand which made his glove indestructible how was it able to retain power we see it in use when Han shoots at Vader and it connects but no damage just curious
Regardless of intention, just the act of bleeding a kybercrystal would turn a lightsaber into some sort of an artifact, in the way that the lightsaber would bolster their strength in the darkside and weaken jedi who posess it. Stronger jedi would be able to resist it, but they would in some way still be affected.
If I were a sith lord I would have a big collection of artifacts because I’m a collector in real life so it makes sense I would have a collection of sith artifacts as well!
For Sith, you would have enough dark side power for the artifact to acknowledge you, because of the rule of two and the rule of one, no Darksider attempted to expand their power lest they be discovered. Sidious hunted down many expanding their power. Only place for new Darksiders to go was beyond the veil. And hope no one found them until too late.
So eventually the "Sith" in these Artifacts was like a battery. An would in time run out. Sorta got me wondering if there's any sorta Jedi counterparts an if something empowered into a Sith Artifact can be cleaned an purified in alot the same ways a corrupted, made to bleed Sith Saber can be "healed" into a neutral all white color?
I imagine that the nature of the dark side results in the waning of power compared to the living force. The force itself probably tries to balance it out. If you have a being who's more than just Jedi or Sith, like Revan, and their artifact reflects that kind of affinity with the force, then the power might linger longer. Though Revan's mask wasn't an object that held power. It was a mask. I imagine Revan's mask probably contains traceable echoes of his presence. If you sit with the mask and meditate with it, I imagine you could feel that - and that sort of thing might linger on more than an object designed purely to hold power itself.
Personally, I value knowledge for its own sake and would oppose the destruction or restriction on sith artifacts even as just some citizen of the republic. Knowledge can't hurt you, only people, but it can certainly help you. Of course, that would make me a pretty shit sith. But, I might not as a sith. Doing so while in hiding incurs a lot of risks, and there's probably a lot fewer artifacts worth having as the Emperor. In hiding, I would first need to research sith artifacts to find one that actually suits my needs and then go find/steal it. Both are going to attract unwanted attention, and the possession of any sith paraphernalia would put me under intense scrutiny. Maybe I might take one if it basically presents itself to me, but it would have to have to be enormously useful to be worth the risk. If I happen to be the sith who finally overthrows the Jedi, that can change things. Anything that just makes me a more powerful combatant doesn't seem worth the effort. That's what giant militaries are for. I think the temple in rebels was a giant superlaser, and if I'm an evil emperor you can bet your ass I'm collecting giant superweapons. That being said, there are probably better things for me to worry about at any given time. What would interest me would be nightsister magick. Nightmother Talzin wasn't naturally force sensitive, but she had a magic(k) sphere that could make her force sensitive in the clone wars {from that episode where she kidnaps Jarjar's girlfriend). Screw growing my own stupid body in a vat like palpatine, my body sucks. Imagine what a sith lord could do with Tech's brain. I said martial power wouldn't be of any substantial use to me, but if I'm going out of my way to build a new body that would be stronger in the force than I already am, why not throw in some extra benefits. Make me a Hutt so I won't have to grow another body for at least 1000 years. After that, maybe I would start studying the sith as a more general study of force powers, but my goals as a sith are still general power increases, not being the perfect duelist.
Learning from a Sith Holocron for the sake of knowledge is fine but becoming reliant on wielding an artifact is a crutch, equipment can be damaged or even destroyed “I always assumed those Sith Artifacts weren’t Lightsaber resistant”
@@KumaoftheForest Lightsabers can break, and so can bodies. Lackeys can betray you, enemies can outsmart you, things can turn out to be different than you thought. There is risk in everything. The real question is if the risk of the artifact breaking is greater than the risk of not having it. After all, if my opponent beats me with my artifact, how was I going to do better without it?
I agree, @Wit. Not even Palpatine needed his lightsaber in battle. Just pure force unlimited power! While the last new 3 movies does show Palpatine clone using a lot of artifacts (and lore) to set course the story.
I think another big reason why Darth Sidius didn’t use them or create any is because as a politician… I think he had no time. His schedule was probably almost always packed. Hard to study and create stuff that takes time when you have no time.
There was two Sith artifacts that survived for centuries, even through multiple wars, distractions, and re-formations of the Sith order, and these two items were the holocrine of Darth, and do, and the more talisman constructed by the entrance Sith Lord cornice more who was one of the original 12 dark Jedi during the first great schism that involved the 100 year darkness
If I were a sith, the artifacts would make a fine addition to my collection. But even if I would be a strong none force user I would still collect them
Crazy how there’s no Jedi sorcerers, but there’s dark versions. I understand why though. They are limited, compared to vast, strange powers of the dark side and how to achieve it would be sinister
Well because the Jedi were more like sages. They had no need to create artefacts since the root of their power was in their own personal connection with the force. The Jedi did make a bunch of holocrons though. Like a *lot* of them, which contained the personalities, teachings, and techniques of uncountable masters going back thousands of years. They were all stored in the temple on Coruscant and were the reason Anakin was so desperate to become a master, as only masters were allowed to use the holocrons that held the highest level, experimental, and sometimes dangerous, teachings of the Force
It’s like being a sith is selling your soul to the devil so you can get magical items and witch powers, being a Jedi is like being holy and pure, very light magic instead of hard magic
Thank you for continuing to spread awareness and understanding of the dark side of the force. Lol I always loved when the animated shows elaborated on dark side magic… it’s ironic…. 😂…. Tenebrus instilled a practical focus on sith tech/science to Darth Plageous above magic or lightsaber skills…Clearly Palpatine utilized that superior tech, but he developed a fascination for magic and alchemy that Plageuos refused to indulge which exasperated his urge to discover the secrets his master kept, that he would later keep from Vader. Palpatine’s first known usurpation of the rule of 2 as an apprentice happened on Dathomir in an exchange of knowledge with a young mother Talzin, she taught him magics and darkside alchemy, and instead of making her his sith apprentice Palpatine kidnapped her infant (Maul) to craft into the perfect secret pseudo-apprentice… I agree that Palpatine’s need to use these methods decreased due to a lack of enemies after the Jedi purge, but we see him still very efficiently utilizing magic and alchemy in both rebels and clone wars… I would even go as far as to assert that the degree of Palpatine’s foresight and precognition is amplified in RoftheJedi teeters in the realms of sith sorcery.
You said it in the video; the power of the artefacts was going away and that's why they're not popular. As for what artefact I'd have if I were a Sith Lord, I think I'd go with a holocron, but which one? Maybe Darth Bane's Holocron, since it would likely contain all of the Sith lore he had collected, or maybe Freedon Nadd's Holocron.
2:36 the strongest sith artifact batman Pyramid
the Dark Knight holocron
Lol I saw that xD
Contains the once powerful Sith lord heart of.....Alfred.
I almost never comment but I just wanted you to know that was so funny lmao
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The later Sith ideal of power was power wielded by ONESELF. Relying on artifacts would be seen as a crutch, an invitation for an apprentice to steal them, and also as potential proof of the sith's continued existence should they fall into jedi hands. Im surprised Bane didnt forbid their creation.
It makes sense too, since the Sith get stronger through succession. I think the closest thing you're allowed to a crutch is having an apprentice as an apprentice.
@@Sernival GOOD POINT! Yeah anything made by a previous master would have to be, at least in their minds, inferior to what they could do themselves.
i care not for disneys new lore -in the book of sith, it is described how sith light saber crystals are constructed via some raw elements and dark side meditation. ~Much like the relics, the crystals were manifestations of THEIR WILL.
So, its actualyl a good thing to MAKE relics, but it would demonstrate weakness to be a mere user.
Bañe himself learned everything he knew from artifacts and spent much time creating artifacts of his own, why would ban them?
If the sith were to be fully destroyed (via rule of 2) artifacts act as a failsafe, a regular individual who is force sensitive may become sith and retain some level of strength compared to those before. Through hundreds of generations there is little concern of the siths complete destruction as another artifact will be uncovered someday.
Bane was interested in the increase in the siths power, he's not unaware of risks towards that path regarding the rule of 2 has.
The Sith under Palpatine did not rule through the Force. They ruled through military might. It is no accident in that one iconic scene, the gathered generals and admirals at Tarkin's table in the Death Star scoff at Vader and regard him as an outdated relic of a bygone era. With Star Destroyers, the Stormtroopers and especially the Death Star, the necessity for the pageantry of the Sith was largely overcome. And even when, after the destruction of the first Death Star, Vader becomes the chief operative on Palpatine's plan to destroy the Rebellion, he does so not because of his role as a Sith Lord, but as the commander of the Imperial war machine. His own flagship - the Executor - was a testament to this: a mobile space station owing little to the first Death Star itself, guarded by swarms of Imperial Star Destroyers and foreboding the coming of the second Death Star.
I mean true but he did plan to rule with the force eventually and he probably would not be able to maintain power without it. The death star is a force weapon the world destroying beam was fueled by kyber crystals which as we know kyber crystals have the force in them, it's pretty much just a massive lightsaber for Palpatine.
Those gathered officers scoff because they've only read about Jedi and Sith in books of fable; Tarkin is the only one of them who has ever seen the powers of either up close, and the hubris of at least one of the officers results in great pain and\or death.
@@calebsargent6902 Except Palpatine didn't intend to "rule through the Force". This is a fan-written recontextualisation that doubles down on too much old EU sources that wanted weird wizard Palpatine to take the center stage over the crooked, frail-looking tyrant with a penchant for making mass murder weapons and use them, and not the Force, to rule the galaxy.
What's even more, the Original Trilogy Palpatine, that was the single most powerful Force-user in the Galaxy but still chose to rule through technological terrors rather than his Force Lightning, is perfectly in line with the actual philosophical differences between the Sith and the Jedi. The Sith hoarded power and knowledge, greedily and jealously. Sith Masters did not willingly surrender or bestow knowledge to their apprentices. Their apprentices had to rip the knowledge out forcefully, so to speak. Palpatine was never meant to be the sponsor of baby Vader and his bumbling band of morons with unhinged personalities and spinning lightsabers. To the Sith, the Force was the ultimate power and a very special gift, so it was not meant for the masses to appreciate or even be terrified by, it was meant to be the tools of a select few. A select two, to be more exact. To the galaxy at large, the Emperor was not the Dark Lord of the Sith, but the frail-looking scary tyrant with a deep voice and a hideous face. It was his will, and the strength of his purpose and vision for the galaxy, that caused some of the most sinister but brilliant minds, like Tarkin and Thrawn, to subscribe so loyally to Palpatine's Empire. And while Motti is made to look like an idiot for disregarding the power of the Force, he is not wrong in his assesment. Even Darth Vader, who makes the specific point of reminding Motti that the Force was also formidable, was a bigger threat at the head of Death Squadron than simply on his own.
Even new canon also pays homage to this notion. The very fact that the new writers decided to put kyber crystals at the heart of the functionality of the Death Star is a genius move. It takes one of the most exotic and ephemeral aspects of Jedi lore - the use of kyber crystals to power their lightsabers, acquired through profoundly spiritual experiences in the planet Ilum - and twists and corrupts it into weapons of mass destruction to be used at the beck and call of a regular joe, like Tarkin, completely divorced from the gifts of the Force.
Yes, because Palpafail had no Attunement to the Force.
Vader hardly had too.
Which weakened both.
The Modern Sith aren't even a shadow of the Ancient Sith, Force wise.
Now, Palpy had immense power in regard to manipulation, but combat/Force Powers wise?
He was nada, compared to the Old Masters.
I mean, having to make your Master SO drunk, he waved in and out comatic state, to be able to kill him?
BAH!
And only because he had no patience, he could not resist that title.
@@Xogroroth666 EU Sidious has no equal in the Sith, absolutely nobody comes close. Vitiate? Pfft. Ritual master, nothing more.
I would totally go for a holocron. Ancient knowledge, and the ability to pass knowledge on.
I figured that the more modern Sith would have cast away a most of these artefacts for a few reasons:
1) They were constructed by previous Sith and while records may show them somewhat successful they could not achieve the goals of the current Sith.
2) To dominate the Force and all others, it almost means that they (the Sith) claim their own power to be the Dark Side; and what prideful Sith would want their own power to be aided by one who was weaker than them? The culmination of the Sith is to be greater and stronger that the Sith before, to beholden to the past can obscure their future, and to one such as Palpatine, to exist always as an unstoppable eternal force was his ambition.
3) As explained in the video, age corrodes the artefacts' power, the artefacts aren't at the potential they once were, some stand the test of time but fewer are useful to the modern Sith who value practicality and instant results.
The artefacts were items of personal power. While the Sith in the days of Palpatine had no lack of personal power to go around, the Sith never created their plans to depend upon personal power to succeed. It's a fundamental shift in philosophy. Every duel between a Sith Lord and a Jedi in the prequels is actually a travesty: all the Sith Lord really needed to do was survive, because the ultimate trap for the Jedi was set and by the time Dooku unleashed the Clone Wars, it is already too late.
I somewhat agree the main reason why modern sith abandoned these artifacts was a fundamental change in their philosophy with the rule of 2. The rule of 2 consolidated all of the Sith's previous power and knowledge into 2 individuals so there wasn't a need to search for old artifacts when it was more important to develop something new that could be passed down. However the ancient Sith were constantly competing with each other and trying to gain every advantage they could over their rivals so they would seek out these artifacts of power.
Batman Holocron at the right lol 2:35
I always liked the idea of alchemy and artifacts in Star Wars. It's cool to see all of these enchanted items and whatnot with different effects and I kinda wish they were more prominent...
Wouldn’t Vader’s suit eventually become entwined with his own energies, and ultimately become an artifact itself? We even see Ren develop a fascination with his mask, so I’m surprised we haven’t seen some lore about it. Perhaps there is or will be some lore about Vader’s suit, and I’m just ignorant to it.
IIRC the mask and a glove were the only remnants of the suit that remained partially intact after the death star blew up.
There was also a novel from young jedi knights I think about Vaders glove
He died a jedi and became a Force Ghost hence his dark side soul couldn't taint the remnant of his armor.
@@kanadashyuugo873 I was thinking that too
It eventually would have happened, but Vader became a force ghost before that could've happened, unlike Sith like Momin or Nihilus.
I love this channel! Nice documentary-type info about the lore, this is so great!
I went and read about this and I'd just like to say thank you for providing an accurate and precise explanation of the understanding, it is extremely valuable and appreciated! :D
What better way to get the attention of the Jedi than to carry around something radiating dark side energy? When the rule of two was invoked and the Sith went into a “cloak & dagger” modus operandus, it would’ve been like wearing an “I’m a Sith Lord” sign. Also, Palpatine was far too arrogant to try achieving his goals using anything other than his own abilities. Say he used the meditation chamber; one could easily say “he’s only powerful because of that relic”. It likely also would’ve been seen as a crutch to Palpatine; something of a handicap that limited him when he was without it. I found the scene in Rebels with him using “magic” to be very out of character for Palpatine. Though the prize he was after was one of nearly limitless power, I never imagined him using something akin to the Witches of Dathomir. Then again, being able to play with time itself could’ve been the key to his immortality. As far as lesser artifacts were concerned, they were just that; lesser. Just my two cents ✌️
I think the problem is more about Star Wars having a fucking time machine than how Palpatine reacted to it. The World Between Worlds was by far the most powerful artifact any sith had ever seen. He grabs that and I don't think even Abeloth could stop him. He did whatever he possibly could to get the stupidly OP prize.
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 As would nearly anyone; Jedi or Sith. I don’t think “time machine” is quite the right term, but I also don’t see it as an “artifact” either. To me, it’s more like a natural phenomenon; much like the force itself. In all seriousness, Ezra should’ve never gained access to it without his mind or soul being shredded in the process. Same with Ahsoka. Maybe we’ll find out more now that the Ahsoka series seems to be moving ahead. There’s also talk of a crossover with Obi-Wan, which wouldn’t be outside of Filoni’s expertise/predilection. Rebels ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, with Ezra and Thrawn not actually being shown to have died. Plus, Ahsoka already mentioned she was looking for him in The Mandalorian. I like, too, how Ahsoka was pulled forward in time rather than Ezra going back (though we could probably debate that to some degree). Here’s hoping we never get to stop asking questions 🤞😁
If you think in evolutionary means, the early Sith needed to acquire and/or create artifacts in order to gain dominance.
After Darth Bain changed the landscape with one action; no trinket was necessary when you only have one other individual coveting your throne.
Great research. Great channel. Thanks!
Great video! I could watch these videos forever lol
I imagine possessing a sith artifact in an age where the Jedi greatly outnumber and unbalance the force would cause a level of anxiety akin to possessing illegal contraband in an era of militant prohibition.
I love the fact that you understood that Vader was always using the meditation chamber. This goes hand in hand with Sidious having shared the knowledge of Revan/Banes holocron and the history of dark side seer that was once Darth Nihlus’ slave who used that specific artifact. This might have been an idea of palpatine to make sure he was able to keep an eye on Vader as this would center him in the darkside more and being a big signal booster is almost a guarantee as there aren’t any significant force wielders openly and blatantly putting their abilities on display as a show and force of power like Vader or the emperor do. It also like seemed to be used to track down force sensitive beings in general while applying the concept of reaching out in the force to feel others specific with that intent. Easily a tool used to continue order 66.
Awesome as always dude 🤟
Such good lore! Your videos are so good. I love how you can bring out a deeper analysis of books I love.
This is the kind of video I absolutely love.
This was very interesting! I pondered this the other day and Im glad deceided to make this.
But did ya tho
@@Naefacesix6six yes
@@LenoxVeleno hmmmmm
3:22 Love the use of Computation Jewel from Youjo Senki 😄
I feel smarter knowing things I didn't know and probably most people don't know, thanks for sharing all this info!
I heard that the rule of two line of siths believed in the power that came from within and that Bane believed if you need artifacts to gain more power then you don't deserve it
And yet Darth Bane himself used the holocrons of Darth Revan, Freedon Nadd, Darth Andeddu and others to build his power. And created a holocron of his own.
@@scottboa2738 Holocrons are different they aren't artifacts that artificially gives you powerboost it's knowledge that grow your power it's different
@@Exekort He used the orbalisk armor
@@rohansampat1995 not by choice reread the fist few chapters of the rule of two
I stopped the video at 4 minutes and 24 seconds to take a guess and say that the sith stopped using these because it left them less reliant on seeking out more power for themselves through training and came to the conclusion that it left them stagnant in their quest for attaining as much power as possible themselves not power borrowed through items
I was wrong
But it could've been a possibility as well
Good theory tho! Could very well have been true
@@Thechosen1Gaming thanks man
The entire idea of artifacts containing the force is such a novel and amazing idea that I would love to see it explored more
Good video! The sound seems a tad bit off. I really appreciate your videos.
3:21 that's the type 85 computation orb from youjo senki. Nice to see another fan.
Great videos great channel!!!!! Sometimes we need to hear it
Great video
My daily dose of lore is here
If I were a modern Sith I would definitely have a dark side artifact as long as it doesn’t serve as a homing beacon for the Jedi to locate me.
Hey a good video! Glad to watch it.
Fascinating videos like this are why I stay subbed to the channel! And yes I would possess several ancient Sith artifacts
Agreed
Love the bat signal at 2:36😆
Hey star wars bruhs may the force b wit u all
2:35 Ah yes the Batman holocron is a priceless possession.
Shive: collects sith artifacts that he displays openly in his office, gives away information or receives information that even the jedi isnt aware of and very invested in training anakin!
Jedi Council: I allow it!
LOL @ 2:35 the sith holocron with the Batman symbol on it :D
Cool vid
You should make a video about Vader's meditation chamber. I've always wondered what all the little things inside are for. You can mostly see them on the top half when it opens.
It seems like it would be sort of a deprivation chamber, but there's all kinds of stuff inside.
Personally I always thought the chamber was to maintain his suit and allow him to safely remove his helmet and mask.
Bro this gives the image of Vader and Palpatine being those two cousins always getting into mischief around the neighborhood 😂
2:37 Ah yes, my favorite holocron type
BATMAN
2:39 glad to know Batman was a sith
Ah yes the ancient batman trinket. Very powerful indeed.
in the game called Star Wars: The Old Republic an
Online game it old republic era if play scoerecer aka the 1 with froce lighting powers u able be doing Ancient Sith Artifacts things
Correct me if I'm wrong;
Wasn't Darth Bane's whole ideal that maintaining the sith rulers to a master and an apprentice consolidated the force to the master, strengthening the masters connection?
And if the artifacts were made to give a boost of dark side energy to the weilder but was considered a gift from the dark side, but where no longer used during the later time of the rule of two that would mean that Darth Bane was accurate in his thinking that one to master and one to learn, kept the might of the dark side at its strongest, wouldn't it?
In turn making the need for the "gifts of the dark side, force, not needed, during the later stages of the rule of two?
Thoughts?
Hey I know this is an odd request but is there any possible way you can post up the background music links? I liked the background music you used though it was subtle.
Bevel Lemelisk’s clones the the Emperor used to transfer his essence into a new body each time the emperor had him killed, Darksaber novel, Callista as well.
can you pls make a video explaining in depth what darth vaders chamber is?
They totally missed an opportunity with the force awakens to have the star destroyer on Jaku be the one equipped with Vader's meditation chamber. Thus giving Rey a back story for why she's knowledgeable in the force. She could have been receiving training from Anakin not knowing anything about Vader or his grandson. This information having been discovered by Kylo Ren during his interrogation of Rey would have motivated his hate and rage. He'd been trying to reach Vader all these years and the whole time he'd been indulging some scavenger as Anakin. Killing his father, his wreckless wanton rage in attacking Rey in their duel, it all would have been more palpable.
Definitely would have one of my own
@2:34 Goddamn you, Darth Batman!!
Admiral Ozzel was on the same ship when Darth Vader Force Choked him. They were both on The Executor, Vader in his chambers and Ozzel on the bridge. Still an impressive distance, given we usually only see it used on those in the same room. But Ozzel was not on a different ship.
You should make a Star Wars documentary series. Could run for years.
Maybe even pitch it to Disney+.
this is kind of a dumb question and recently found this channel but how do you know all this like is there spacific books that talk about these stores or is this information youve gained from everything you've learned over time bc I'm just now getting in to the books and graphic novels
by the gods PLEASE tell me the name of this amazing soundtrack in the backround
Yooo what is that awesome Maul bust at like 3:55
Good work!
Unreliable, costly to the wielder, apt to be stolen or destroyed, and apt to give otherwise compliant underlings ideas. Now, that one artifact at the far right of the screen at 2:36 - it ensured that the wielder always has infinite prep time.
I was like, wait a minute…
Darthbat.
Fr me too
@@Scylon1 Darth Vengance
exar kun Didn't need his artifacts to be powerful he used it to channel his own power to use force blast and some sith magic exar kun was more powerful than nihiluis revan and bane
Not more powerful than Revan. Maybe....MAYBE Bane
@@matthewweise8776 he was above revan since he gained more power than revan in a short amount of time also he vitiate and papaltine reborn were the only sith lords to ever archive formless spiritual cosmic ghost form without the need of a body coil, luke Skywalker compared exar kun with emperor papaltine reborn, luke Skywalker at the time he face exar kun was like 3 times stronger than vader
@@matthewweise8776 boy. Read some books
@@llab3903Not a boy, you must be confused. Now to the point...saber combat Exar could of beaten Revan. In force skills and mastery Revan wins.
@@matthewweise8776 no exar kun for mastered the dark of the force the same way vitiate and papaltine reborn did, he became one with dark side and was more powerful than revan, revan never archive god like hood
The Bat-Holocron, and next to it the Symbol of Cthulhu-Holocron....... dear God, imagine if Lovecraftian Entities existed in Star Wars. The only one that I know of is Abeloth, but do others exist that weren't originally human?
Look into Star Wars outer rim lore/creatures and you’ll be very happy
@@starfreighterpilot8086 Sweet thanks! I was wondering where to start, much appreciated 👍
"Fine keep the artifacts, just give me back my ship!"
credit due, i don't think before now i ever saw anyone even suggest the meditation chamber was an artifact, on the other hand only one character in star wars as far as I saw ever had one. I just assumed this was something special made for him.
I love the Sith holocron with the Batman emblem, lol.
2:35
Batman with his own yellow
Bat Holocron
I just finished the darth babe series of books I was looking for suggestions on old novels to read. I’m more interested in the old lore not the newer “canon”
Palpatine seems like he would value truly having power above getting it from an object. In fact, he totally seems like he would scoff and look down on most but the most unique/powerful of them.
A dark side artifact snob.
maybe vaders meditation chamber also functioned as radar for Vader so he can sense jedis or force sensetives better from his travel through space or help him to look forward for complactions.
I have a question it’s about the sith artefact in Vader right hand which made his glove indestructible how was it able to retain power we see it in use when Han shoots at Vader and it connects but no damage just curious
Regardless of intention, just the act of bleeding a kybercrystal would turn a lightsaber into some sort of an artifact, in the way that the lightsaber would bolster their strength in the darkside and weaken jedi who posess it. Stronger jedi would be able to resist it, but they would in some way still be affected.
At 2:37 there is a sith relic with the Batman logo on it 😅
Does anyone know what the background song from 0:01 - 3:43 is?? Thank you in advance
@2:35 on the amulet on the far right, isn't that the Batman logo? lol
If I were a sith lord I would have a big collection of artifacts because I’m a collector in real life so it makes sense I would have a collection of sith artifacts as well!
what is the name of that dark SOundtrack in the backround PLEASE
Disney needs to make a family comedy show called “The Palpatiens” 🤣
For Sith, you would have enough dark side power for the artifact to acknowledge you, because of the rule of two and the rule of one, no Darksider attempted to expand their power lest they be discovered. Sidious hunted down many expanding their power. Only place for new Darksiders to go was beyond the veil. And hope no one found them until too late.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that Vader also possessed an amulet that had once belonged to Lord Kaan.
So eventually the "Sith" in these Artifacts was like a battery. An would in time run out. Sorta got me wondering if there's any sorta Jedi counterparts an if something empowered into a Sith Artifact can be cleaned an purified in alot the same ways a corrupted, made to bleed Sith Saber can be "healed" into a neutral all white color?
I imagine that the nature of the dark side results in the waning of power compared to the living force. The force itself probably tries to balance it out. If you have a being who's more than just Jedi or Sith, like Revan, and their artifact reflects that kind of affinity with the force, then the power might linger longer. Though Revan's mask wasn't an object that held power. It was a mask.
I imagine Revan's mask probably contains traceable echoes of his presence. If you sit with the mask and meditate with it, I imagine you could feel that - and that sort of thing might linger on more than an object designed purely to hold power itself.
Personally, I value knowledge for its own sake and would oppose the destruction or restriction on sith artifacts even as just some citizen of the republic. Knowledge can't hurt you, only people, but it can certainly help you. Of course, that would make me a pretty shit sith.
But, I might not as a sith. Doing so while in hiding incurs a lot of risks, and there's probably a lot fewer artifacts worth having as the Emperor. In hiding, I would first need to research sith artifacts to find one that actually suits my needs and then go find/steal it. Both are going to attract unwanted attention, and the possession of any sith paraphernalia would put me under intense scrutiny. Maybe I might take one if it basically presents itself to me, but it would have to have to be enormously useful to be worth the risk. If I happen to be the sith who finally overthrows the Jedi, that can change things. Anything that just makes me a more powerful combatant doesn't seem worth the effort. That's what giant militaries are for. I think the temple in rebels was a giant superlaser, and if I'm an evil emperor you can bet your ass I'm collecting giant superweapons. That being said, there are probably better things for me to worry about at any given time. What would interest me would be nightsister magick. Nightmother Talzin wasn't naturally force sensitive, but she had a magic(k) sphere that could make her force sensitive in the clone wars {from that episode where she kidnaps Jarjar's girlfriend). Screw growing my own stupid body in a vat like palpatine, my body sucks. Imagine what a sith lord could do with Tech's brain. I said martial power wouldn't be of any substantial use to me, but if I'm going out of my way to build a new body that would be stronger in the force than I already am, why not throw in some extra benefits. Make me a Hutt so I won't have to grow another body for at least 1000 years. After that, maybe I would start studying the sith as a more general study of force powers, but my goals as a sith are still general power increases, not being the perfect duelist.
Makes sense. A huge military did wipe out the Jedi so your points seem valid
Learning from a Sith Holocron for the sake of knowledge is fine but becoming reliant on wielding an artifact is a crutch, equipment can be damaged or even destroyed “I always assumed those Sith Artifacts weren’t Lightsaber resistant”
@@KumaoftheForest lol @ lightsaber resistant......
@@KumaoftheForest Lightsabers can break, and so can bodies. Lackeys can betray you, enemies can outsmart you, things can turn out to be different than you thought. There is risk in everything. The real question is if the risk of the artifact breaking is greater than the risk of not having it. After all, if my opponent beats me with my artifact, how was I going to do better without it?
damn whole ahh essay
2:36 , top right artifact, does it summon a avenging dark knight ?
2:35 What's with the Batman holocron?😂
I would have a collection. I see it as the old way Vs the new. A cycle we see in real life as well
Which Novels or comics are your sources
It could also be seen as relying on another sith's power instead of their own
no exar kun had the ability of acknowledge absortion and power absortion every power he got was his and permanent
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 that's a cool ability that I had no idea about
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Exar Kun was a the Goku of the Old Republic before people like Revan and Vitiate pulled up...
I agree, @Wit. Not even Palpatine needed his lightsaber in battle. Just pure force unlimited power! While the last new 3 movies does show Palpatine clone using a lot of artifacts (and lore) to set course the story.
@@blackshogun272 exar kun was considered a greater threat than vitiate in 4000 years by the source, vitiate was hidding at that time
I think another big reason why Darth Sidius didn’t use them or create any is because as a politician… I think he had no time.
His schedule was probably almost always packed. Hard to study and create stuff that takes time when you have no time.
There was two Sith artifacts that survived for centuries, even through multiple wars, distractions, and re-formations of the Sith order, and these two items were the holocrine of Darth, and do, and the more talisman constructed by the entrance Sith Lord cornice more who was one of the original 12 dark Jedi during the first great schism that involved the 100 year darkness
If I were a sith, the artifacts would make a fine addition to my collection. But even if I would be a strong none force user I would still collect them
2:36 So... Are we ignoring that conclusive proof that Batman was a sith Lord in the top right over there?
Crazy how there’s no Jedi sorcerers, but there’s dark versions. I understand why though. They are limited, compared to vast, strange powers of the dark side and how to achieve it would be sinister
Well because the Jedi were more like sages. They had no need to create artefacts since the root of their power was in their own personal connection with the force. The Jedi did make a bunch of holocrons though. Like a *lot* of them, which contained the personalities, teachings, and techniques of uncountable masters going back thousands of years. They were all stored in the temple on Coruscant and were the reason Anakin was so desperate to become a master, as only masters were allowed to use the holocrons that held the highest level, experimental, and sometimes dangerous, teachings of the Force
It’s like being a sith is selling your soul to the devil so you can get magical items and witch powers, being a Jedi is like being holy and pure, very light magic instead of hard magic
Dude I wanna know what the batman holocron has stored
You forgot one artifact that Vader actively sought in legends, the muur talisman
Palpatine: "Lord Vader, real Sith Sigmas don't need Artifacts."
Vader: *Takes Notes*
Does anyone know what the weird noises are in these videos? For example after 6:16?
Thank you for continuing to spread awareness and understanding of the dark side of the force. Lol
I always loved when the animated shows elaborated on dark side magic… it’s ironic…. 😂…. Tenebrus instilled a practical focus on sith tech/science to Darth Plageous above magic or lightsaber skills…Clearly Palpatine utilized that superior tech, but he developed a fascination for magic and alchemy that Plageuos refused to indulge which exasperated his urge to discover the secrets his master kept, that he would later keep from Vader.
Palpatine’s first known usurpation of the rule of 2 as an apprentice happened on Dathomir in an exchange of knowledge with a young mother Talzin, she taught him magics and darkside alchemy, and instead of making her his sith apprentice Palpatine kidnapped her infant (Maul) to craft into the perfect secret pseudo-apprentice…
I agree that Palpatine’s need to use these methods decreased due to a lack of enemies after the Jedi purge, but we see him still very efficiently utilizing magic and alchemy in both rebels and clone wars… I would even go as far as to assert that the degree of Palpatine’s foresight and precognition is amplified in RoftheJedi teeters in the realms of sith sorcery.
You said it in the video; the power of the artefacts was going away and that's why they're not popular.
As for what artefact I'd have if I were a Sith Lord, I think I'd go with a holocron, but which one? Maybe Darth Bane's Holocron, since it would likely contain all of the Sith lore he had collected, or maybe Freedon Nadd's Holocron.
Sith artifacts were also expensive and were good black market items, or at least I imagine they were.
2:33 is that a Batman holocton???
(Right-hand yellow holocron)
My fan sith character would have and make anything and everything possible for whatever need that may arise.
Basically it comes down to a scholarly study of the dark power vs the new sith who desired imminently use of power.