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The Three Big Thirties ~ The .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, and .300 Winchester Magnum
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- čas přidán 20. 11. 2016
- GunBlue has used each of these three legendary rounds on real hunts, and has had vast experience with them, both on the range and on the hunt. Get a detailed look at the performance of these three important cartridges that have established themselves as the dominant .30 caliber cartridges of all time. Compare and understand recoil factors, power, trajectory differences, powder consumption, efficiency, and bullet selections. You might be shocked to learn that increasing velocity by 500 feet per second gains far less practical performance than you may think. GunBlue examines the actual trajectory differences, and explains why velocity comparisons alone can be very misleading! Assuredly, there are significant differences among the three great cartridges, but they must be intelligently interpreted, apart from marketing hype and ballistics tables. If you are in the market for a great .30 caliber rifle, watch this video, and go forth armed with knowledge, so that you can pick the best of the three! Whether you ultimately choose a .308, a .30-06, or a .300 Win. Mag, GunBlue will help you assess the best for YOUR hunting needs.
This is NOT just another CZcams video - it's a University-quality lecture, worthy of the finest educational institute anywhere. I'm dead-serious. The historic context, technical content and real-world experience shine through in your words. I sit and listen, making notes as I used to in my own university lectures. As a new rifle shooter, it's like having a speaking encyclopaedia. Many Thanks from a new UK NRA member.
Marine veteran here, I have to say that im 51 years old and well schooled in all types of firearms. BUT I feel like a child just learning to walk when i watch your videos, they are the GREATEST learning tool for even the most advanced student. You are the best Instructor and I look forward to your classes. Semper Fi
Me too. 18 years in two branches, including 15 as an Army instructor and I am simply in awe of his depth of knowledge and his ease of imparting it so understandably.
To both of you, thank you for keeping us safe. In opposite to you, I am a neophyte wanting to learn and finally found here an incredible instructor who treats his students with uttermost intellectual respect and not giving us the feeling that the instructor loooves to listen to himself talking like on too many channels...
Thanks to y'all
Haha, me too bro’s .
Thank You for your Service WarFighter...RESPECT !
To be fair the civilian market and the military are so different they cannot be compared ...I do realize that the military uses these caliber however what I don't understand is what you don't carry this basic knowledge...no offense
This guy is an encyclopedia, could listen to him for hours. Informative and interesting.
and you can, because all of his videos are an hour long lol
I like the old man from the movie shooter
Like listening to your grandpa
Good stuff learned alot so far
As a young hunter (26) I really enjoy your "old school" common sense approach to hunting applications for various cartridges. Sometimes it can be difficult to determine effectiveness of a given round when crunching ballistics. Especially with gun magazines and the internet toting the latest and greatest long range cartridges. Effective range, i believe, is something many people don't understand. Sure, you can hit that milk jug at 600+ yards from a bench on sandbags, but hunting situations are far more difficult. I agree with not needing to shoot much past 400 yards at game. And that rules out the need for a lot of these newer high velocity, high BC, magnum rounds that are so popular today. Matching your bullet to your needs seems to be much more important than cranking velocity as high as possible.
GunBlue,
I wish you were my mentor/big brother when I was growing up! My family was not a big hunting or shooting bunch, but as the youngest of 10 kids I had a great interest in the shooting sports with no one or no place where to learn!
Now many years down the road, and with the never ending supply of internet info, and very cool folks like yourself, I can sit down after a hard days work and learn all I want. Thanks you for taking the time to convey the knowledge you have amassed over the years to eager students of the gun like me.....
All I can offer in return to you and your subscribers is information in the Plumbing Heating and Drain Cleaning fields. Please don't ever hesitate ask me! I am a Master Plumber with 30+ years in the trades. I am more then happy to pass on my experience to whomever needs or wants it, and is willing to pay it forward so to speak.....
Have Fun, G.
I'm like you....would have loved to have been able to pick this man's brain when I was a kid although I'm sure he'd have gotten tired of it after the 1st day.
I don't shoot guns (my husband does) and have no idea about cartridges but I just like listening to you talk! Subscribed.
I like that. :-)
smart lady....can learn a lot,from this man
So does her husband lol
My wife never touched a firearm until she met me now she is a dead shot. Give it a try, it’s quality time with your spouse.🇨🇦🤠
@Charles Huyck Mrx ,
What the fuck, Can you spell?
GunBlue490, once again you're a breath of fresh air by cutting through all the noise and hype out there as a light house in a dense fog. You have meticulously explained the pros and cons of the Big three where a simpleton like me can understand.
The .30-06 has a "long, luxurious neck length." LOL! I love your descriptions, GunBlue! Spectacular.
I recently purchased a Savage 110 in 300 Win Mag. I had an Elk hunter talk my ear off for about a year. I am more of a target shooter than a hunter, so I told my friend I really did not need one to take out a phone book. A year later, Cabela’s had a Savage on fire sale. The 300 Win Mag has a different recoil then I expected. Yes, not an all day shooting rifle, but not as sharp as I would of expected. I reloaded a few 208 grainers over RL26, and the accuracy of the cartridge was amazing . I am an amateur and I was under 1/3 MOA of off the bench. That phone book never saw me coming. Thank you for the video.
LOL! “... that phone book never saw me coming ...” !!! 🎯👍😁🙏🏻😎
Gunblue409, you are the best teacher I’ve come across. Straight, clear talk, common sense and more experienced than i ever will be. It’s a joy to spend time with you on this channel. Keep them coming. God Bless!
Dear Sir, your videos are so informative and inspiring. I am South African and we have a very small but vibrant shooting community (sadly under tremendous threat / pressure due to the infernal anti gun lobby!). The result is that knowledge has become extremely scarce and since everyone has become an expert on the internet its so refreshing to see your commonsense views that clearly comes from long experiences. In the "olden days" money was scarce and I think the original 30 cal for South Africa was the 303 British. It was probably responsible for most game taken - even perhaps to this day. My first real full sporting rifle was a .308 Win made by Musgrave, called a Free State Model. Wonderful rifle that was. Later I "migrated" to the 30 06 and I shot well with it and liked the wide variety of bullet weights / speeds - giving the then false impression of "all - all rounder" - one day I was aiming from a very awkward position at Blue Wildebeest, taking an uphill shot of about 80 meters. The rifle was an Austrian Voere and as I took the shot the stock at the Pistol grip snapped right in half and I looked like I was almost shot myself where the scope took a nice deep cut into my eyebrow. After that little episode I developed a very pronounced flinch that really did a lot of harm to my shooting. I literally had to start over again from airguns to 22 and work my way up. Today my most favorite rifles are the .223 and the .270 and always managed to bring the meet home. So here I am saying a big thank you from a faraway land that you are giving back so much not only to Americans but shooters everywhere as there is really no place to learn but through people such as yourself taking that time out to teach. Stay well and blessed!
Matthys J Uys
Thank you for your thoughtful comments! God bless.
Matthys J Uys
Hear hear from a Saffer in England- interestingly I think our gun laws are more practical in the UK than in SA (currently!)
Indeed they are - but then our Police Force has no idea of what a firearm actually is - crazy - lost papers - chaos - and off course lots of corruption etc. Gun laws - interesting topic in itself as All Countries that shares a former history with English Law holds the presumption of innocence dear. In our case - house searches without cause or warrants etc takes that away. So any so called "sensible" gun laws that one political agenda wants I view with Orwellian Suspicion! It is only a matter of time ----- that is all we have.
Matthys J Uys Meneer... you sound like all my old chomies who think things in SA are soooh bad. I acknowledge it's hard to differentiate between what is attributable to the new "South Africa" and any teething problems and the pressure on all administrative processes in the modern world but here in the U.K, things are not very different in terms of inefficiency and political agenda's affecting the gun fraternity. I am fortunate that in Leicestershire where I live our police authorities are very good but some counties have such a backlog and mess that it gets regular reporting in the gun media and provisional licensing arrangements are being facilitated to accommodate the delays...
Do me a personal favour and say a big "Hello!" to my beloved SA for me...
More love for South Africa. Here in SA the 30-06 rifle is the quint essential Bushveld rifle. Simply because it ethically takes down larger animals like Kudu, which can weigh as much as 700 pounds, through thick brush religiously. this is achieved by simply using the heavier 220gr bullet weight to their maximum potential, without sacrificing velocity to the detriment of damage or bullet stabilization.
Love to hear this gentleman speak...reminds me of my late father who was an Engineer out at Cape Canaveral during the space race years but had grown up on a farm in Ohio and had hunted and shot every animal and every firearm known to Midwest America in the 40's, 50's and 60's....Pop was encyclopedic on ballistics and real world hunting experience.
This guy is a living encyclopedia. I learned so much from him because he can explain things in a clear and informative manner.
This gentleman is one of the best firearm vloggers on CZcams. He should have more subs.
I was blessed with taking the biggest whitetail of my life in Saskatchewan with a 308.
My 300 pound 15 point non typical whitetail was harvested with one shot right on the shoulder. Its all about shot placement and a lot of practice which builds confidence in the field.
Great video as always. Very educational and entertaining as well. Thanks again.
Wow...hunt of a life time i bet..concongratulations! 👍
Shot placement is paramount.
I would take a well placed shot right in the heart/lung zone using a .243 Winchester any day over one back aft from a 30-378 Weatherby.
Congrats on getting that bruiser buck.
God, I .wish you were my neighbour/uncle etc... your videos/knowledge is gold... always, thank you sir!!!
Back for the third time to listen to it all. Still one of the most enjoyable lectures on the net. Long live GunBlue490!
270 Win and 300 Win Mag make a perfect pair
Actually my perfect combo is a 270 Winchester and 300 Holland & Holland 😉
@Alexander Mason - That’s not a bad combo either, but I’d rather have a 30-06.
I'd say .270 Win and .338 win mag... OR... .375 H&H mag.
I use a .308, with 165g SST doing 2770fps, I’m bias towards bush stalking, and occasionally dial to take deer out to 400m. My good hunting mate uses a .270, with 139g SST doing 2840fps, he’s bias to dial shots out further, but will occasionally still shoot them in close. Both are great, stuff still dies. I also drink whiskey, but he likes bourbon.
Really great perspective on these rounds, I learned a lot. Grew up with the 30/06 being the round to own, I am 55. But I always thought it was to much for deer in Pa. here. A 30 30 is much more reasonable and more meat in the end. Still a 30 06 man but some older cartridges like the 243 and 25 06 264 are very tempting also, Great video thanks
Jamesbullock7257 awesome sir, I 100% agree. To heck with the Antlers I'd get within range for a perfect headshot either with ironsights or scope😁👍👍
This guy is a living encyclopedia of guns.
you are right ,I love the 150 grain bullet and it is all I have ever used when loading my 30-06 and it is what I use for my 30-30 hand loads and the 243 is great with the 100 grain bullet I have often used it as a varmint hunting bullet and it does very well on Groundhogs ,and it is a accurate load for my rifle I have dropped alot of whitetails with both of these rounds
I have watched several of your videos and I have to say, they are some of the best gun videos that I have watched on youtube. I liked your choosing a scope video and not am convinced I don't want anything besides a 1-6x scope. I look forward to watching more of your videos, you are a wealth of knowledge and practical information for shooters/hunters. Thanks again for posting them.
I always appreciate and enjoy Gunblue videos. He always gives practical insights.
I never had any interest in a 30-06 until last week when in found an excellent price in a beautiful model 70. It is now mine and I hope that one day to have the opportunity to get an elk. Being from Maine, I’ll have to do some driving. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks
Excellent rifle. Will also work nicely for your big moose in Maine
Don't hesitate to use the 06 on Moose , & the meat tastes better! I killed an Elk at about 250-300 yds ,shooting 180 grain black tallon, 2 shots both struck bone and penetrated about 5 ft of flesh , first shot angled, second straight away.
My winchester model 70 is chambered in 300 wm. She is a sweet shooter
I commend you on emphasizing “ethical” hunting practices on ANY game, even though we’re generally speaking of hunting large game with heavier, larger caliber rifles. I believe too many hunters are ‘ego’-driven..wanting to “prove” their long shot abilities, etc. Great vid, spot on. Subscribed...
That's why I believe in headshots on any game. I value the sustenance that these game animals provide for me over the winter. If I didnt have to do so I'd just observe them because I've grown to have great respect and admiration towards the wildlife I pursue.
On the subject of recoil: I think one's tolerance of recoil has far more to do with the design of the rifle than the actual force being exerted. A wide butt plate, a straight comb, and enough weight can mitigate a lot of recoil. Also, a shooter's ability to adapt to his or her rifle's particular profile. For example, to properly manage a rifle's recoil, the shooter should always make sure to get a proper cheek weld, and to pull the butt of the rifle into the crook of the shoulder squarely and snugly. I've met several rifle shooters who have terrible flinches because they're afraid of their rifles. Invariably, in each I've observed significant flaws concerning how they shoulder their rifles. Something to think about.
Definitely
It also needs to be said that a quality proper recoil pad can make a huge difference.
My Ruger M77 .30-06 came from the factory with a thin rubber butt pad (not a recoil pad), and after over thirty years the rubber had hardened to the point that it was now little more than a butt *plate* that was very uncomfortable off the bench.
I finally broke down and attached a really nice KickEez pad to it and now it's no problem to shoot off of the bench all day long with max or near max loads.
My dad bought me a Remington 770 .308 for Christmas 2014 when I was 14. I adore that rifle. It has a 1 in 10 twist barrel and it loves 180gr bullets. Topped off with a 2-7 scope, It has produced many sub minute 5 round groups with regular old Remington Core-Lokt 180gr pointed soft point. I have not taken any game with the rifle yet, but God willing, I may finally take my first White Tail this coming season.
I agree with you on this,but I think the three most popular 30 calibers are the 30-30,308,and 30-06. At least around here.
30-30 is way more universal than 300winmag for sure.
I just started hand loading... I wish I found you 10 months ago. I really enjoy the info and the way you present it....currently I'm just loading .308, 10mm. 9mm, and just starting 5.56... for .308 I started just mimicking 7.62nato m80 and then m852 168gr... Im more of a semi auto guy being left handed and growing up I never shot a bolt actions..my dad is also left handed and he never hunted...but I'm starting to try and work up my own .308 loads now
you remind me of my father and are echoing his words on these 3 rounds thanks i miss his wisdom
Great video and an excellent breakdown of the capabilities of these three excellent cartridges. I considered a .308/7.62 in an AR format for a long time because of the extra power but was really turned off by the considerably heavier AR10 type rifles and chose a 6.5 Grendel instead. Much lighter and ultimately a much better choice for hunting deer sized animals because, as you mentioned, the .308 offers way more power than necessary. That's not to say the .308 isn't a great deer caliber because it is, it's just more than necessary. Ultimately I also added a .50 Beowulf to my collection so that I now have multiple rifles, each suited to it's own more specialized use. However, at the time I just couldn't afford to buy the ideal caliber rifle for every species that I may have the occasion to hunt so I needed a jack of all trades so to speak. As you discussed the .30-06 is far more powerful than necessary for hunting deer but it has the ability to kill anything in North America and that's where this cartridge shines above the others in my opinion.
These days, later in my life, and as I said, I have obtained multiple rifles in multiple calibers all individually suited to their particular game animal niche but I've grown to love the overall ability of the .30-06 so much that it remains my only bolt action hunting rifle. I don't HAVE to use it to hunt deer anymore but I still love to.
I also agree about the recoil of the '06 compared to the .308. I'm a female but also taller and stronger than the average female so I find the recoil tolerable for 5-10 shots off the bench when necessary but I'm honestly ready to put it away after 5 shots. It's definitely not a caliber rifle I would choose to "fun shoot" targets at the range. It's similar to my .50 Beowulf (which is a blast at the range) in that it's not everyone. I had to install a muzzle brake and a LimbSaver recoil pad to my Beowulf to turn it from very uncomfortable to enjoyably tolerable. My Savage 116FCSS .30-06 came with a very good recoil pad but once it starts to wear out I will definitely be replacing it with a LimbSaver version.
As you discussed I wouldn't recommend a .30-06 or a .308 for a deer hunting caliber either. There are so many better choices out there that will do the work with far less weight and recoil. I now recommend the 6.5 Grendel but there are many others.
Another option is to use the .308 Winchester or 30-06 but with some of the excellent lighter weight bullets using reduced recoil loads - for those occasions when the full-power alternative is too much power. Reduced recoil loads also tend to enhance accuracy and reduce flinching in shooters prone to it.
No gimmicks. No flash. No spicy click-bait. Just meat meant to be digested by grown-ups.
Time spent on a learning platform such as this is more than entertaining, it is enriching.
A sincere thank you for your timeless content and delivery.
I own these three calibers and love them all. I get the same velocities(basically) with 150s in .308, 165s in '06, and 180s in 300wm. I tailor that to my needs. If I was forced, honestly I would be happy with just my '06, but my cabinet would look too empty.
The real advantage of the 30-06 is not it's performance with 150gr bullets but it's ability to handle 180gr or heavier bullets with adequate velocity. I argue that both the 30-06 and 308 are overkill on whitetail especially here in Texas where deer run a little lighter then up north. I find the 6.5x55 and the 7mm-08 to be exceptionally lethal on deer and recoil is never an issue even for the youngest of hunters, I bought my 7mm-08 as a low recoil guest gun but I kind of fell in love with it, I can handle 300 win mag recoil without flinching but I still find my two sissy kickers to be far more fun to shoot.
Good video, those 30 calibers are all great. I got the 300 wsm along with the other two. What I like about the 308 is the short action and more compact rifle packages available. Just can't go
wrong with any of these.
One of my all time favorite hunting rifles is Sako Bavarian in .308. Use a 150 gr Nosler Partition bullet for great kills to 300 yards. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I really appreciate all your videos!
That's good to hear. I have a Sako Bavarian in '06 that I'm planning on loading 165 gr nosler partitions
I love the lecture and history of each rifle cartridge its extremely relaxing.
Im a semi-hunter gatherer also a serious handloader. I have experience hunting with my ironsighted M70 308 Winchester, and mainly my ironsighted Rem700 in 30'06 with Leupold QR mounts. The Nosler Partition 180 is my main goto for moose hunting here on the YukonKuskokwim Delta. I perfer to wait for a perfect headshot, the ribs and heart are too valuable to me. So far in 20 years Im glad I didnt need to make any follow-ups using any of the Nosler Partition bullets, but I always keep a box of 220's with its own VX-1 scope👍👍
I use my 308 for white tail, my 30-06 for mulies ,my 300 win mag on elk and my 270 if I want to enjoy my hunt.
frankinjeep 1 got to take them all for a walk eh before one gets jealous haha
I love the skinny 7 as well. Jack O’Connors favorite cartridge is superb, and a real joy to hunt with. I purchased a 270 WSM back in the 90’s, but I have never loaded any cartridges and fired it. That rifle is over 20 years old, and I never used it. I’m going to have to get it out and see what it can do.
Aaron Buckmaster i own a 270 wsm as well in B.A.R love it also a 30-06 weatherby. All we have to hunt in my area is whitetail and black bear. The odd moose of your ever lucked out and get drawn.
Aaron Buckmaster Skinny 7 lol 😆 well put my friend. Greets from Canada🇨🇦🤠
Randy Schaff canada as well here,where bouts?
I grew up only shooting a 300 H&H and what has always seemed a little fuzzy concerning the 30 calibers you brought into perfect focus in 44 minutes. Thank you.
I am tickled pink with your videos. The other day the 7mm 08 my favorite and now the 30s. Keep your powder dry. Two thumbs up!!
The best gun guy on youtube! Love watching ur videos! In my opinion u r way better then Hickok 45 when it comes to guns and history of guns!!
Hickok 45 says he don’t hunt,he does reviews and his videos show him firing the guns he’s reviewing.Gunblue definitely has a lot of cartridge and firearm knowledge but I’ve yet to see him actually get out of his chair and fire one.Very knowledgeable.Its obvious he’s read lots of books on the subject.
Nak Nak different style. Hick is short and concise, gunblue is in depth and long winded. One does not get anything from watching one of these videos in 10min, hick you do. Depends what you’re looking for
William Hawkins
Well one needs a longer attention span.
Daniel Moore I would not underestimate him !!
I feel like I'm having a relaxed and honest fireside chat with the grandfather I never had. Even being a rookie at all this, it is generally understandable.
I really appreciate going into details about all of this. I’ve been debating between .308 and 30-06. I will be buying a .308 hunting rifle. Here in Good Ol’ WV that will be perfect for deer.
If I could only have one out of these three , the .270 Winchester would be the one I'd pick lol
Fantastic! I've been watching so many of your videos. And could tell some stories! I'm on the Canadian border in Minnesota. Plenty of bear. I don't hunt but do like the challenge of predators. Often find myself at 3am colder than a freezer chasing predators down in -35 F! Retired on hobby land and very thick brush. I run an 06 loaded down to 2200 fps with 110gr varmageddon loads. Fun to no end! Anyway, love your talks! Thanks for sharing!
Great info and videos Iam 53 and you never stop leaning I have a Montana Rifle Company, Rifle in a ASR.308 cal beautiful Rifle
I come back and listen to this every once in a while.
Greetings!! Only about the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen your channel. I like your presentation style, casual but obviously well-informed and impartial. Very well done. I have, in storage at a friend's home in my home state of PA, (I've been living in Thailand for the past 20 years) an original 1903 Springfield, made at the Springfield plant, serial number in the 880k range, meaning it was made AFTER the introduction of the double-heat-treating process. I hope I live long enough to make another trip home so I can sell it, as I have no son to leave it to. It was carried through the German campaign by my stepfather, who retired as a CSM. He brought home 3, and gave this one to me for my 16th birthday (I'm 64). I totally stripped it once, and gave it a 'surgical' level cleaning, and re-linseeded the stock. Action is tighter than a bank-vault, (carried a lot, shot a little) and yet slick as wet ice. It even still has the cylindrical cleaning kit in the stock. If I can make it home, I hope I can find someone to give me an honest appraisal of it's value.
Great vid, thanks for sharing!
Amazing story. If that rifle was put on gunbroker along with the story you tell here, with a penny auction and no reserve, I warrant it would bring a record price. Don't come home till this pandemic is over however. The US really sucks right now. %^/
When I made my lifetime investment in a serious big game rifle back in 1974, I chose a Weatherby Mark Five in .300 Weatherby. That cartridge has the capacity of the .300 Winchester and then some without the short neck. Since then It has worked really well for me out to 400 yards. It was especially efficacious out on the Montana plains when I lived there during most of the 1980's. I like to use 180 grain bullets for both deer and antelope.
This is the first video of yours that I've seen. Well done. It makes me feel like I'm listening to P.O. Ackley talking. I'm subbing for sure as I like what you say and how you say it. Clean simple and to the point from an experienced point of view.
It's like going back to school with ya sir! Always learning from ya! Thanks Much!
Wow. It is videos like this that make CZcams fun and informative. Thank you sir for a extremely content Rich video that I have to rewind multiple times to make sure I’m digesting all of the information. Thank you and take care
The 30 06 can be a nice caliber to shoot, silencers, mild loads, heavy rifles is things that makes the 30 06 more pleasant to shoot. A light rifle in 30 06 and shooting in a bad position can be very bad for your shooting abilities.
I'm now approaching 70 years of age and I've been hand loading for almost 50 years, so I'm not hampered by having to use factory ammunition that most manufacturers lie about the velocity anyway. I've now watched this video at least three and maybe four or five times over a period of several years and I've enjoyed it every time. I've tried to read all the comments and their replies. I find some of them interesting, some entertaining, some amusing and some just "Huh, what does that have to do with anything GB490 was talking about?"
My favorite rifle is always the one I happen to have in my hand at the moment. As to the 30 calibers I am partial to the 300 Savage, 308 Winchester and 300 H&H Magnum which is known for its ability to handle bullets lighter than 150 grains which the other big 30 thumpers are not. The only 30-06's I ever had were '03 Springfields and 1917 Enfields that I sold or traded so that I could buy some other toys. If I come across an '06 that I like and can afford I'll add it to my collection. In the meantime I can load the 300 H&H down to '06 velocities with 150 or 165 grain bullets for local White Tails or just for fun out in my pasture if I'm so inclined.
I'm not particularly recoil sensitive. When I used to do a lot of muzzle loader hunting I used my Thomson Center 54 caliber Renegade loaded with 120 grains of FFg Black Powder behind a 400 grain pure lead Maxi Ball. The muzzle energy was supposed to be about equal to a 458 Winchester. It was not something I wanted to shoot off a bench rest a lot.
But why take anymore punishment than you need to. Actually, through the years, I've taken more deer with my 270 Winchester than any other rifle. I live in the Smoky Hill River valley of Central Kansas which lies between the Smoky Hills to the west and the Flint Hills tall grass prairie to the east. In this region I I can have shots at deer as close as 50 yards in the hardwood creek bottoms or 400 yards across a soybean field or the big pastures and canyons in the hills. The 270 with a 150 grain bullet at around 2800 fps is just about perfect for the condions, but so is the 308 or 30-06. All flat enough shooting when sighted for maximum point blank range. All plenty effective without destroying a bunch of good meat.
As I've aged I've learned that often less is more. Less weight to carry, less powder burned, less cost, less muzzle blast, less recoil and less chance of flinching are all good things.
I'm not able to hunt much anymore because of back, knee and leg problems, but I'm working on those. With these things in mind I've acquired a nice custom 7x57 Mauser and I'm having another custom 8x57 re-barreled to 257 Roberts. For you youngsters who aren't familiar with the 7x57 Mauser or the BOB as the 257 Roberts is known to old gun cranks my age and older, check out GB490's videos on those two classics. In the meantime, happy hunting!
16:46 After 50-60 rounds @ 53gr x 165gr through my Remmy 30-06 I was done, filleted, cooked & served until I got rid of the old "red rock" of the early 1950s recoil pad and replaced it with a limb-saver. NOw
I have more rounds & love for target ventilating than hours in a day.
I inherited a ~1959 Winchester Model 70 .300 H&H Mag (as well as a ~1956-58 Marlin Varmint King .222 Rem) from my father, and would love to see a history and comparison between the H&H Mag vs Win Mag. Anything you’ve got I would love to hear! First found this channel by looking up the .222 on CZcams, and I’ve learned a lot from you. Thank you for the videos!
I’m so late to the game here…. Like 5 years lol. I picked up a 300 H&H last year….. absolutely in love with this cartridge!! Love to hear his take o it as well
By far the best in depth description and comparison between these three calibers that I have ever seen. Thank you sir.
Between GunBlue490, Lucky Gunner, and Paul Harrell, everything you need is covered and made understandable. If they can't explain it to you, you didn't need to know, anyway.
Oh and Hickock 45 and English John from TGS let's not forget.
@@plumcrazypreston2797 absolutely!
300 RUM with 220 grain Nosler is my favorite deer round. I have the money to waste powder primers and bullets. To each his own !!!! 😁😁
In my younger days when I was hunting (New Hampshire) my long range gun was a Browning 30.06 falling block. it seemed to shoot 180 grain loads (Fed Premium factory loads) best for me. I think it had a 24 inch, heavy tapered barrel, but it might have been 26 inch. Can't remember now. All I know is it was shorter than most rifles because of the short falling block action. I loved that gun. Sadly, sold it.
I only used it for the occasional field or power line stand once in awhile. Never got to actually take a deer with it.
Well Sir you know your stuff ..... my 30-06 kick my shoulder but I still luv it 👍👍👍👍
Great video and nice to have you back.
I use .308 remington 700 for deer and have never had a problem. Even 400lb hogs at distances that typically never reach over 100 yards in the Louisiana swamps. My brother-in-law was using 30.06 for years but because of recoil and destruction (and shooting my .308) bought himself a .308. Actually if deer season isn't open I take down huge boar with my mini 30 in 7.62x39 with no problem either. Bigger isn't always better. Thank you for knowledge you share. I enjoy your videos so much I actually joined just to subscribe and comment which ive never done before.
If there is one you tube character I woulld like to meet and spend some time with it is this guy..I could listen to him all day...great knowledge and a pleasure to listen to...TY
Thank you for all of your in-depth videos. That is what we need.
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The 30-06 is still the measuring stick of the hunting world, in my opinion. As far as old and unpopular cartridges, I still like my 308 Norma.
Me too , I could never get a 300 win mag to shoot as accurately as the 308 norma ,I liked the longer norma neck .200 gr bowlers were magic in that cartridge.
Paul Davidson l like the longer neck on the Norma. However l have never had any problems loading for.300 win.🇨🇦🤠(or accuracy problems)
You can be any place on the planet and get 30-06 rounds. In any weight you would need. Why it's still around... I have a Browning BAR in that round..I also got a .300WSM Browning BLR....It's a tack driver too...If I had to choose one. It would be the 30-06..Even with the added weight of the rifle. I can get it anywhere. Still does the same job the .300WSM does.
@@MasterChief-sl9ro You are absolutely right in the world, but it is easier for me to shoot the 270 I have the same supplies
Outside of 22lr, it's probably the most versatile rifle cartridge. I never shoot it, lol.
After loving the 308, and enjoying a 270, I fell on 06-30, I can only have a 270 factory and a 30-06 bull barrel, I think I have the best of both worlds. However, I am against what is found on the web with the life of my cannons, firing 2 shots and resting from 5 to 45 min depending on the ambient heat, I have discovered that the life of the 270 can reach 15000 rounds, mine claba 2 shots from 150 meters touching each other and has already taken 6000 shots in 8 years. The 308 in competition in Argentina fire 60 shots in an hour and have lasted 30,000 shots in competition, so I highly doubt that a hunting gun loses precision, I have seen damaged 270 cannons with counts of more than 30,000 shots without difference of 80 feet in the superformans and with an accuracy in 2 shots less than 1/2 moa
I have been hunting with one rifle for 35 years . I have bought other rifles but I went back to my 30-06 model 70 winchester cause I like the feel of it. It shoots winchester factory ammo good enough to kill deer at 250 yards.
My absolute favorite cartridge is the 30-06.
30-06 Ackely Improved with extra free bore, H1000 or Superforamnce powder in a light varmint weight 26 inch 1/10 twist barrel launching 195 to 208 gr eldm is the cat meow.
This matches most factory 300 wsm and easily rings steel out to 900 yards, if not 1100 yrds.
I personally would not hesitate to take elk sized game out to 800 yrds in readable and constant conditions. Where I have the time to set up the below mentioned- high quality camera, an experienced spotter, my environment reading devices, ballistics program, above mentioned rifle shooting 1/4 moa groups and have the game out in the open so to perform follow up shots. I would have must practiced regularly out to 1100 yards, even as just a few days before in the same area/country.
If I can't have the above mentioned, I'll take a 200 yard shot or less gladly!!! And much more prefer that.
I believe in Dave Manson reamers... A 300 Win Mag is a great option as well! The 300 prc, if reloading parts and or ammo was available would be even better.
I do believe a lot of game is lost due to poor preparation and lack of experience at distance. I do not like .257, .264 nor .277 cal's on elk sized game below 2200 fps. I also prefer bullets that go below 2200 be above 160 grains on elk sized game. The bullet must also be strong at 2200 fps, not blowing up.
If you have a strong 257, 264, 277 cal bullet at 120-140 grains with a minimum impact velocity of 2200 fps (faster proferred), with great bullet placement, I say squeeze the trigger!
very well said. The recoil information was great. Dividing each gun by bullet weight is something I've never heard before. If I have heard it, you must have explained it better. Outstanding video. Thank you.
WOW, the recoil factor is something I didn't realize between the .308 vs 30.06 . As close as they are in ballistics, the hit to the shoulder is not worth it as I like to target shoot. I'll just put a few click up into the SWFA and fire away! Thanks for the info! G>
target shooting = 308 hunting I'd go with 30-06 since it gives that bit more oomph on game and you are usually only taking a shot or two.
@@WayStedYou Recoil on 308 Howa 1500 Kryptek with heavy barrel is next to nothing. 308. heavy rifles are great for range shooting. I prefer heavier for precision. This Howa 1500 308. made sub Moa at 100meters and the same at 150 meters. Cheap scope Niko Stirling Gameking 16x44.
30-06 is best balance between pinky 308 and heavy 300 WM.
Excellent history of these cartridges!! Learning!!!!!😎🙏
I love 308 in semi autos and i love 30-6 and 300 win mag in bolt guns. ALL great rounds. Great video, good job.
I live in the Yukon, a 30 cal is mandatory to hunt bison. For moose and bison a 308 is woefully underpowered, and 30-06 isn't always enough to humanely take a Bison in my experience. I shoot 300 win mag and my brother in law shoots 300 WSM. He uses that for everything from sheep, caribou, moose and Bison. I'm a pretty large man so 300 win mag isn't a problem to shoot recoil wise. I don't have a favourite cartridge by any means and am a huge fan of 308 but when it comes to feeding my family and taking Yukon sized game I rely on 300 win mag.
The .308 (and many less powerful calibers) has been used to kill elephant and people have killed American Bison using far less powerful cartridges such as 30-30 and .243, not to mention recurve bows. Certainly it's not the best choice for larger game but 'woefully underpowered' is objectively inaccurate.
Use hot handloads or hot factory loads and the 06 in more than enough, 180 grains at 2880 fps is fine for bison.
Absolutely !
Barrel length has lot to do with the woefully underpowered on a 308. I also have all three calibers. Biggest thing with the 300wm it can throw 40 plus grain heavier bullets as fast as the 30-06.
Own eight 30 caliber rifles including the 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag. Wouldn't choose any of them to hunt bison; that's a job for my 338 Win Mag, which is essentially a 30-06 upsized by 25%.
I put him on every night before bed cause I love learning about different calibers these are my favorite type of videos from him
Good sir, I am new to firearms, and I’ve scoured the Internet for information. I have learned far more from your channel than any others. Just wanted to take the time to thank you for your fantastic teaching skills.
You just confirmed why i love the 30 cal , my 06 is the go to rifle 760 gamemaster . Or my browning a bolt .. i really appreciate your videos . You are very knowledgeable also . 06 was all i ever knew .
Thank you ! You informed me so much your knowledge and description of third calibers is over the top thank you so much
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I have a .308 & 30-06& 7 mm Remington mag ! ! I shoot 150 grain in all of them hunting whitetail deer ! ! Love them all ! ! !
3 great cartridges, love em all.
For the average one gun hunter keeping shots to under 200 yards the .308 is in my honest opinion the best all around cartridge for the lower 48. I spent a few years in Alaska and would't have felt under gunned with a .308 with good 180 grain bullets for the interior. 30-06 a very close second. The 300 winchester packs more recoil than most folks can tolerate on a steady basis.
I agree, I sold the 300 Win but bought a 308. If I need to go big I use a 375 H&H, a push not a sharp smash in the shoulder. There are a lot of 300 and 338 magnums in the used gun market with less than 40 rounds through the barrel.
A hit with a 30-06 is better than a miss - due to excessive recoil - with a 300 Win-Mag.
I’ve never been a gun owner though I have fired them in the past. I’ve seriously considered picking up deer hunting as a means to put some meat on the table as of late. The last rifle I fired was a 30-06 and didn’t much care for it. I’m 165lbs average build and the recoil was a little much for me.
I was initially, and still considering, the .243 for deer hunting. But the more homework I do the more people are saying to go for a more “all-purpose” rifle. The rifle I’m looking for would need a mild recoil, and be useful for taking deer and the occasional target shooting. I’d also want something that takes common, easily found ammo.
Hunting in the north east is also mostly spent in the woods, under brush. Most of the .243 shots I’ve been seeing have been in an open environment. Not sure if that makes a difference.
So would the .308 fit the bill I’m looking for, or should I just stick with the .243?
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Though the 243 would certainly be adequate, I am a great proponent of using the best gun for the task that you can handle efficiently and comfortably. Excluding the 270 Winchester which is primarily a heavy plains rifle, and the 25-06 which is a very specialized long range cartridge, two bore sizes exist between the 243 and the 30 calibers that deserve close consideration, and there are exceptional offerings that would provide fabulous performance on a wide range of game, and can truly be called all purpose. Perhaps the most universally popular and effective is the 7mm-08 Remington, which is an American version of the venerable 7mmx57 Mauser, featured in separate videos. It has considerably less recoil than the 308 when using bullets of equal penetration, and has extremely efficient performance at all ranges, under virtually all conditions. Its case is made from the 308, and is the same case as the 243. My wife is small in stature compared to you and easily handles a fairly lightly stocked 7mm-08. Another option worthy of consideration for the recoil sensitive is 6.5mm bores, of which there are two favorites in this country; the 260 Remington, another modification of the 308, and the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is virtually identical in performance, and is rapidly gaining popularity. I provided a video on those also. The 6.5 bore gained great traction in European cartridges such as the 6.5 Swede, and is used on game as large as European stag and moose. Being lighter bullet weight, recoil is again reduced. I repeat that I will always opt for a larger bore, if given the choice of options, because frontal area of a bullet is the primary destroyer of vital tissue, and the quicker killer of game, all things being equal. At equal velocities, and with equal sectional densities and ballistic coefficients, a 6.5 is superior to 6mm, and 7mm is superior to both, as recoil steps up as well. But if you shot a 30-06, you would experience a reduction of about 50 percent with the 7mm-08, which is a level that all but the most recoil sensitive find quite manageable. Having said all the above, and if I may exercise license in contradiction myself for the sake of sentimentality, my personal favorite in my old age is the venerable 257 Roberts, which is dead between the 243 and 6.5, if you can find one. I did a video on the Roberts, too.
GunBlue490 Thanks for the hasty reply. Looks like I’ll need to find a place that will let me shoot a few different rifles. I suppose that’s the only way to know where I stand.
GunBlue490 I think you dismiss the 25-06 too easily. I don’t know about eastern hunting, but in the west it’s a hard hitting mule deer round, that I’ve also used for Elk, and can be loaded down for varmiting and has very mild recoil. Ammo out here is easy to find and if your very handy can easily be made out of 30-06 brass. Point Blank range is good out to 400 yards. It’s ballistics are very similar to the 300 win mag, just scaled down from a 180 grain bullet to a 120. So, I definitely wouldn’t discount the 25-06 so easily.
I have model 99 Savage 308 & R.E.M. 700 30/06 & mdl 70 Winchester 25/06 , & like you I currently weigh 142 my top weight was 165 , weighted about 158 last time I fired the 25/06 & did not see much difference between it and the 30/06, which when I get to shot #8 I am begging no more ! With my 308 I have killed pig 180-200 lbs, equal mule deer, nice white tails, California black tail, & 2 Elk , 4 black bear, shooting 165 g Federal Premium, works like a champ
My brother shoots a 243 for deer & has probably killed at least 50 with it most "1" shot
Back in '74 I got a yen to upgrade from a 1903 Springfield. I had most of my life ahead of me then so I could put a high priority on getting something good to serve for a lifetime. After much thought and some research, I decided to have ordered for me a Weatherby Mark V chambered in .300 Weatherby. I thought about the 30.06 chambering, but decided against it because for the same money I could have a .300 Weatherby. As for the cost of ammunition, for me it was only a matter of using more of a slower powder because and forking over about $17 or so for a new Lee Loader.. Years later I moved from Okanogan County, Washington to Great Falls, Montana where I went from harvesting at most one deer per year to harvesting up to three and also two antelope. I liked having the extra confidence that I had on the two 400 yard shots that I made. One was on antelope and one was in the Missouri Breaks on a nice buck from the rest of a razorback ridge to just below the top of the brae that topped out to the Montana plains. I used 180 grain Hornadys over 77 grains of DuPont IMR 4831. In later times after returning to Washington, I switched to 180-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips for their greater accuracy in that rifle. I am a big, barrel chested bruiser and never was much bothered by the recoil. With a deer or antelope in my scope, the rifle's report was as a whisper and the jolt I noticed hardly at all. On the bench I used foam ear plugs and then ear muffs. With that rifle I am careful to start my aiming process by first putting my eye too far from the eye piece and then quickly reducing the distance until seeing the full field of view. That keeps the scope off my forehead. .
My cousin has been taking white tail deer in upstate new York for decades using the rifle his dad gave him for his 16th birthday: a model '94 Winchester .30-30.
I feel that buying a deer rifle need not be so complex and confusing. Just ask some of the local old timers what they think is a good tool for the job; over the years, the best advice and tips didn't come from magazines or blogs for me, but from the gun shop in town over a cup of coffee. You remind me of those guys mr. Gunblue, and I definitely mean that as a compliment.
Thank you. Please watch my lever gun 30-30 video.
I think all four are fantastic cartridges (I'm including the 30-30) and own or have owned all but 30 06. I can't wait to start loading 300 win mag for my model 70 when reloading supplies eventually become available again.
Thank you for the lesson. Perhaps one of the most serious and valuble in the topic. Very good and clear performance. greetings from Sweden
Im more of a handgun ballistics guy and reloader, but was searching for a new deer gun for my son and was torn between choosing one of these 3 calibres , I also like the .308 due to the availabilty of surplus military ammp for range use which is very cost effective as compared to 36 dollars for s box of 20 deer rounds , you are extremely knowlegable on rifle allistics and this video was very informative , I like true ballistic experts like yourself so I subscribed and gave this video a big thumbs up , keep up the great work Sir
In Alaska I only need one rifle I carry a 375H&H. Doesn't ruin meat and everything dies. I have a model 70 in 06 too but it doesn't get much field time. Bears are awake during hunting season.
Excellent data and delivery! Very enjoyable.
The versatility of the .30-'06 is what makes it hard to beat.
Yes, indeed. If I want something mild-mannered, that feels kind of like shooting a .257 Roberts, I can get there with a stash of 130 grain .308" single-shot pistol bullets and enough H4895 in the case to get 2,700 fps out of the 24" barrel of my Model 700. If I want to thump something hard and don't mind a little return thump on me, full-pressure 180 gr.-220 gr. loads will do it. If I'm in the woods, and only need .30-30 ballistics, a 150 grain bullet and enough H4895 to move it along at 2,350 fps in the '06 case means I don't need a .30-30. What I like about the .30-'06 is the ability to load it from mild to wild.
Your knowledge of firearms their specific history’s and your ability to translate and educate the audience is unmatched. Thanks so much for willingness to share and passion for educating us.
This is a excellent and informative! Thoroughly, enjoyed it! Thanks.
Great discussion. I usually use a .270 Win, but also shoot my .300 Win Mag. My wife won't touch neither. She drives tacks with her .308 though.
Good morning GunBlue. Three questions l always ask myself when hunting. 1 What is it? 2 Can l have it? 3 How far?
Then1 Get close 2 Make that first shot count3 Keep shooting it until it quits moving.
If you folded an ordinary piece of paper against itself it would be about the difference between a .270 and a .308 in diameter. In 50+ years of hunting l have tried almost everything and guess what? I always come home to the .3006 Springfield. My favourite bullet is the old Rem. 165 gr. Core Lokt flat base.
Nothing glamorous about it just accurate flat shooting deadly and reliable. Same for the.308 win.
Up close put a .22lr into the ribs of that big buck leave him alone for awhile he will go about 100 yds lay down and die.
Ask any old timer like me a native aborigine or Eskimo up here. He will tell you the same thing ha ha🇨🇦🤠
I really liked your video on the use of mineral spirits for cleaning.
Agreed with everything you say about recoil.👍
Yup absolutely agree on the.300 Win. It shines with heavy bullets180 gr. and up on game like Elk which really are tough and can be hard to finish up.
Deer Moose are not hard to kill however after saying that if you happen to bump into a little mama black bear with cubs and you piss her off you are in big trouble! Don’t try to run Don’t try climbing a tree it won’t save tour ass . She can move like greased lightning climb a tree like a squirrel and she means business. A140 lb yearling with a set of cubs is the most dangerous thing in the woods. When l have a client l carry a .4570 to back him up.🇨🇦🤠
@@randyschaff8939 ... My 24 year old son ran into a black bear by itself when he was hunting whitetails in Western PA... He said he flicked the safety off his 300 WM and then just yelled really loud (He was a Marine Infantry NCO so he has a big mouth!)... The bear just high tailed it out of there! But we know what you mean when you're talking about mama bears with cubs! Bad juju!!!
Thanks again for the very informative video! You are very good at putting what seems to be difficult decisions into a very clear and understanding perspective. Any chances of doing a video on the 7mm mag, or possibly a comparison between that and the 30-06? Thanks again my friend.
Thank You Sir, ... I Could Listen To You Talk On This Subject All Day.
As a do all rifle the rifle the rifle I want is a 30-06 but I’m left handed and Christensen Arms only comes in 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag which one as do all from pigs 🐖 to mule deer 🦌 would you choose?
Great informative video by an expert who can speak at length on the subject.