I am loving these tutorial videos. Great style and very clear and easy to understand instructions. Can't wait fore more ! Maybe a handroll tutorial? Or some more advanced stuff like cartwheels, loops or airscrew etc. Anyways, thanks for making these videos, they are great, and you are awesome!
thanks a lot - I would like to know how one might practice on a sea kayak without a paddle - it being too far to reach out to the tip of another kayak as you've done - have you got any ideas?
I usually try this with my friends (I can sweep roll and hand roll, but not this yet) but found that a nice intermediate is one of those orange rescue ring things found by the side of lakes in the uk.
i watched 1 video on how to back deck roll from WhiteWaterPaddlingTV and got it within 30mins in the pool. From my experience for anyone wanting to learn this video is alot more detailed and has a better sequence to follow, Once again you deserve more subs! Awesome vid. Excited for the dry head back deck roll
Great tips, but I think that which side you should go over on depends on which way your paddle is feathered (right handed/left handed). EJ explains this well in his video - both blades are in an inclined position. Also I found his concept of doing a pushup on the paddle really helpful for keeping my head dry. Looking forward to next video!
Hi Seth, just started to watch your inspirational video's. I was wondering if you've ever thought about dry-land back deck roll practice as an option. Greetings from Northumberland, River Tyne catchment area.
Thanks for checking out my videos! I actually do not advocate dry land rolling drills like that as I think they largely I still too much arm pushing and not enough hip/leg movement which is the key to the whole thing. Best to get on some flat water once it’s warmer.
I recently completed my first backdeck roll and for some reason I felt I was still going too deep into the water, after watching this video I have realised that I wasn't using my hips to rotate the boat over, I'm now extremely excited to get back out on the water and try to roll a bit more efficiently
Hi Seth, great video- 2 comments. Firstly, using a friend's creek boat to practise flipping on was painful- the head and hands were too high and this put pressure on my back. maybe another playboat with a low nose is more comfortable- better still- I used a paddle float/airbag to practise the "over the back" move. Secondly, although right handed ( with 45 degree feather), I roll left, which puts the wrist roll back for feather adjustment quite severe for a left hand back deck roll- should I just suck it up and develop a right hand back deck roll? Thanks Barbara
The offset does make it hard going the other way. It makes the paddle dive. You can get there though just takes that wrist opening up a bit further to get your paddle back to the surface.
Any advice for how to set up when you're stationary underwater? I have no trouble backdeck rolling from a start-position (with momentum). But I can't seem to figure it out in a combat situation where I'm upside down and have no momentum. Cheers, and thanks for the tutorial!
Crank your wrists harder. The offset of your paddle is [probably] causing your blade to dive under the water. I also struggle going the other way (mostly because I don’t practice enough). Interestingly even though I know to address this weakness I still haven’t!
Any tips on learning sweep or c2c roll after learning a back deck roll? My instructor taught the back deck roll first and now I am having a tough time learning any other roll.
What an interesting teaching strategy! I don’t have a step by step for the c2c or sweep but hopefully I’ll get around to one later in today the year. It’s on the list for sure
Rita C you can use this same technique in a slalom boat, creek boat, even sea kayak. Granted it gets more challenging as the boats get longer/heavier. But it’s the same exact technique.
Notice the feather on the paddle, or Lack of - it lets the lead paddle slice across and the support paddle then works nicely. (?what is that paddle feather angle?)
I use a 30 offset which is pretty common. The amount of slide really comes from the intersection of wrist twist and paddle offset. great question though
I cant wait to give these techniques a shot. I hope I can gain enough flexibility at 58 years old to do a few old tricks and some new ones ;-) Very fluid move. I can see that being used surfing.
@@SethAshworth Using a pool float allowed me to mimick the motion pretty well. It stretched my back in a few new ways. I am getting more limber ;-) I might even try it on dry ground.
CncObsession I would actually recommend against doing it on dry land as it reinforces bad habits where you can push with your arms and not flick your hips sufficiently
@@SethAshworth Though at 1 time many years ago my hip snaps were strong, age has slowed that down too. I have not tried to do it on dry land as it is definitely going to need flexibility. I am not having issues with a traditional roll. Currently my only paddle is an old beautiful Silver Creek squirt paddle. Very little blades dont offer the support I feel needed to commit to this type of roll. I also dont feel I have as much time underwater as I once did.
Hi Seth- great video. I learned many years ago the C to C roll and find it tougher on my Rockstar. I watched Eric Jackson’s roll technique which looks interesting. The stern deck roll seems pretty intuitive. My shoulders get jacked up pretty easily. Is the deck role better for shoulders versus the roll technique Eric Jackson teaches in your opinion?
They are both pretty solid. As long as you focused on using your hips as your primary motor it will keep those shoulders good. If you do either technique poorly then it will jack your shoulders up. Hope that answers your question
Would love to do this - tried the practice on the side of the pool and mostly it stalls before the boat goes over my body and hurts my back so I'm guessing that either I'm doing something wrong or it puts pressure on the back that most people don't notice. Anyone else get back pain from trying this?
Push your feet away from you more and flatten your body out more. Back pain is likely because you aren’t pushing outward enough with your toes and trying to sit up too much throughout.
@@SethAshworth Thanks for answering, Sorry for the questions. Is it difficult to learn on the ocean?, I have a waveski but Ive always liked the look of those little kayaks, They look like a lot of fun.
@@ourwilliam2405 yep you for sure can but stay within your limits for a while as they don’t duck under waves and you can get a pretty decent thrashing if you aren’t careful
The body mechanics still work but it is easier to lock down in a smaller boat until you get the movement pattern dialled. Once you understand how it should feel it is the same in a bigger boat but with a bit more boat behind you. Thanks for checking it out!
First off great job. You didn't even get your hair wet or lose your hat. But it's kinda cheating to set up and roll right through. It's great for starting but realistically it's good to also practice awkward tips with the paddle in the worst position and no momentum. After reading a comment about a float I'm thinking about putting a pool noodle on the paddle shaft and I might just leave it on. Whoa just got an idea! Have an inflatable float that doubles as an emergency air supply attached to the middle of the paddle. An inflatable bladder with a snorkel mouthpiece maybe even the CO2 absorbers like the military rebreathers use. It would give endless roll attempts and could save lives especially if pinned. Just don't use it for waterfalls or you might have too much resistance and catch it in the face.
The teaching methodology seems really good, but the roll demonstration is rough. A back deck roll should finish to the front. your elbows /arms/ paddle should form a rectangle all the way through. The straightened back arm is sinking the paddle down into the water and if it hits a rock at the tail end of the roll then you’ll have a dislocated shoulder.
I think there was a argument that keeping paddle travel under water at minimum reduce complications. But I'm just a paper kayaker, I stay dry and gain most my experience in front of computer screen ^_^
Very cool video, thank you.
I started trying it last week. I was missing the last quarter of the roll, i see better my mistake now.
My daughter is learning the back deck roll and this video was very helpful!
This is brilliant. Thanks Seth!
Great detailed instructions, thanks. Can't wait to go practice it!
Awesome!
By far the best video on a back deck roll I have seen.
I am loving these tutorial videos. Great style and very clear and easy to understand instructions. Can't wait fore more !
Maybe a handroll tutorial? Or some more advanced stuff like cartwheels, loops or airscrew etc.
Anyways, thanks for making these videos, they are great, and you are awesome!
Zyphon all on the list! Stoked you are stoked.
Great video, looking forward to more
Great video about the back deck roll....:)
Watched this video, tried it, it worked the first go. 10/10
💯💯💯
thanks a lot - I would like to know how one might practice on a sea kayak without a paddle - it being too far to reach out to the tip of another kayak as you've done - have you got any ideas?
I usually try this with my friends (I can sweep roll and hand roll, but not this yet) but found that a nice intermediate is one of those orange rescue ring things found by the side of lakes in the uk.
Awesome, I never even thought of those
i watched 1 video on how to back deck roll from WhiteWaterPaddlingTV and got it within 30mins in the pool. From my experience for anyone wanting to learn this video is alot more detailed and has a better sequence to follow, Once again you deserve more subs! Awesome vid. Excited for the dry head back deck roll
Itzkale thank you!
Ah, miss the days on Ottawa River with you ... best memory
Awesome!! Thank you!!
Thnx Seth !! This was very helpfull !!
Thanks for watching. Hope it helps. There are some other tutorials on my channel too. Let me know if there is something specific you need!
Great tips, but I think that which side you should go over on depends on which way your paddle is feathered (right handed/left handed). EJ explains this well in his video - both blades are in an inclined position. Also I found his concept of doing a pushup on the paddle really helpful for keeping my head dry. Looking forward to next video!
Tom M-W yep true about the blade offset thing.
And yet you will capsize according to however the water is flowing against your boat, so, react and come up on the other side.
Great video thanks for the info 👍👍👍
Elliot Rutherford stoked you are stoked about it!
Hi Seth, just started to watch your inspirational video's. I was wondering if you've ever thought about dry-land back deck roll practice as an option. Greetings from Northumberland, River Tyne catchment area.
Thanks for checking out my videos! I actually do not advocate dry land rolling drills like that as I think they largely I still too much arm pushing and not enough hip/leg movement which is the key to the whole thing. Best to get on some flat water once it’s warmer.
I recently completed my first backdeck roll and for some reason I felt I was still going too deep into the water, after watching this video I have realised that I wasn't using my hips to rotate the boat over, I'm now extremely excited to get back out on the water and try to roll a bit more efficiently
Bones's adventures Happy Gilmore says it best. It’s all in the hips!!!
Outstanding.
Thanks for checking it out
Great vid! Thanks.
SCOUSERONTOUR11 thanks for watching!!!
Hi Seth, great video- 2 comments. Firstly, using a friend's creek boat to practise flipping on was painful- the head and hands were too high and this put pressure on my back. maybe another playboat with a low nose is more comfortable- better still- I used a paddle float/airbag to practise the "over the back" move.
Secondly, although right handed ( with 45 degree feather), I roll left, which puts the wrist roll back for feather adjustment quite severe for a left hand back deck roll- should I just suck it up and develop a right hand back deck roll?
Thanks
Barbara
The offset does make it hard going the other way. It makes the paddle dive. You can get there though just takes that wrist opening up a bit further to get your paddle back to the surface.
Thanks great video. What is your paddles angle offset 30? 45? Thanks
Max Gover awesome! Glad you liked it. I have a 30 offset.
Any advice for how to set up when you're stationary underwater? I have no trouble backdeck rolling from a start-position (with momentum). But I can't seem to figure it out in a combat situation where I'm upside down and have no momentum. Cheers, and thanks for the tutorial!
Just get better dialled in on reducing the amount of momentum you need until you get done to stationary. Hope that helps
Seth what are the advantages of finishing the roll leaning back. Great way of teaching it by using another boat.
channel removed you can finish in either position
Seth - I find the back deck only easy on my left side, very hard going to the right. Any thoughts?
Crank your wrists harder. The offset of your paddle is [probably] causing your blade to dive under the water. I also struggle going the other way (mostly because I don’t practice enough). Interestingly even though I know to address this weakness I still haven’t!
Any tips on learning sweep or c2c roll after learning a back deck roll? My instructor taught the back deck roll first and now I am having a tough time learning any other roll.
What an interesting teaching strategy! I don’t have a step by step for the c2c or sweep but hopefully I’ll get around to one later in today the year. It’s on the list for sure
This helped me a lot. Please post part 2 soon!
Johnny Charles Monday
Great video! But is it possible to do a back deck roll in a slalom kayak?
Rita C you can use this same technique in a slalom boat, creek boat, even sea kayak. Granted it gets more challenging as the boats get longer/heavier. But it’s the same exact technique.
GREAT instruction. Very clear explanation! Thanks
Awesome thanks for watching!
Notice the feather on the paddle, or Lack of - it lets the lead paddle slice across and the support paddle then works nicely.
(?what is that paddle feather angle?)
I use a 30 offset which is pretty common. The amount of slide really comes from the intersection of wrist twist and paddle offset. great question though
I cant wait to give these techniques a shot. I hope I can gain enough flexibility at 58 years old to do a few old tricks and some new ones ;-) Very fluid move. I can see that being used surfing.
good luck in your practice !!
@@SethAshworth Using a pool float allowed me to mimick the motion pretty well. It stretched my back in a few new ways. I am getting more limber ;-) I might even try it on dry ground.
CncObsession I would actually recommend against doing it on dry land as it reinforces bad habits where you can push with your arms and not flick your hips sufficiently
@@SethAshworth Though at 1 time many years ago my hip snaps were strong, age has slowed that down too. I have not tried to do it on dry land as it is definitely going to need flexibility. I am not having issues with a traditional roll. Currently my only paddle is an old beautiful Silver Creek squirt paddle. Very little blades dont offer the support I feel needed to commit to this type of roll. I also dont feel I have as much time underwater as I once did.
Hi Seth- great video. I learned many years ago the C to C roll and find it tougher on my Rockstar. I watched Eric Jackson’s roll technique which looks interesting. The stern deck roll seems pretty intuitive. My shoulders get jacked up pretty easily. Is the deck role better for shoulders versus the roll technique Eric Jackson teaches in your opinion?
They are both pretty solid. As long as you focused on using your hips as your primary motor it will keep those shoulders good. If you do either technique poorly then it will jack your shoulders up. Hope that answers your question
This past summer the roll was stalling out on the back end and not even close to getting up. Seems so foreign. Thoughts?
Keep pushing feet away from you as it is stalling. Mostly likely. Post a video or shoot me one and i'll be able to say for sure.
You can see how good he is by the fact that his shoulders stay dry the entire video
Bailey Plimpton just practice
Hi. What size of the new Rock Star do you have? How tall are you and body weight? Thanks...
12345Flipside it’s a medium. I am 5,11 and weigh 80kgs. Check out my first look rockstar 4.0 video for more info.
👍nice...👌
Thanks 😊
How do you prepare for that roll in whitewater without the momenntum on a lake?
solid question. I think there could be a whole video just about that. maybe in 2019 I'll get to it!
Would love to do this - tried the practice on the side of the pool and mostly it stalls before the boat goes over my body and hurts my back so I'm guessing that either I'm doing something wrong or it puts pressure on the back that most people don't notice. Anyone else get back pain from trying this?
Push your feet away from you more and flatten your body out more. Back pain is likely because you aren’t pushing outward enough with your toes and trying to sit up too much throughout.
Is it possible to do back deck roll with touring kayak? I think I am going to try that...:)
Kanoist yea possible for sure but maybe super easy.
why am i watching this? seth save me from my youtube addiction. srsly good video though haha
SteepVisions I know. Sometimes I feel like it’s sucking me in!!
Great video, Can these kayaks be used in the surf?
Yea absolutely
@@SethAshworth Thanks for answering, Sorry for the questions. Is it difficult to learn on the ocean?, I have a waveski but Ive always liked the look of those little kayaks, They look like a lot of fun.
@@ourwilliam2405 yep you for sure can but stay within your limits for a while as they don’t duck under waves and you can get a pretty decent thrashing if you aren’t careful
@@SethAshworth stern advice
Happy waves man
Super
Loriq Meyou thanks! What other tutorials would be helpful for you?
it would be nice to see this done in a big boat
The body mechanics still work but it is easier to lock down in a smaller boat until you get the movement pattern dialled. Once you understand how it should feel it is the same in a bigger boat but with a bit more boat behind you. Thanks for checking it out!
When is the hand roll tutorial coming
Thanks Barrie! Not sure about exact timeline for a hand roll tutorial but it is on the list for sure.
Muito bão!
How well does this work in a sea kayak?
not sure to be honest!
@@SethAshworth I'll give it a try tomorrow.
can you do this technique in a sea kayak?
Yes but it’s hardest to learn in a sea kayak. If you learn in a shorter boat it will transfer though
First off great job. You didn't even get your hair wet or lose your hat.
But it's kinda cheating to set up and roll right through.
It's great for starting but realistically it's good to also practice awkward tips with the paddle in the worst position and no momentum.
After reading a comment about a float I'm thinking about putting a pool noodle on the paddle shaft and I might just leave it on.
Whoa just got an idea!
Have an inflatable float that doubles as an emergency air supply attached to the middle of the paddle.
An inflatable bladder with a snorkel mouthpiece maybe even the CO2 absorbers like the military rebreathers use.
It would give endless roll attempts and could save lives especially if pinned.
Just don't use it for waterfalls or you might have too much resistance and catch it in the face.
Thanks Jeff. Here is another video you might enjoy on the same theme czcams.com/video/8ccNnPmdC0Q/video.htmlsi=HNi1w3S2Je4O8BiS
How do you do it on a long kayak?
Same method just learning is a little more challenging.
I learned to back deck roll my 9' long Ripper by holding an inflated float bag in my hands before I tried it with my paddle.
Mike Gaskin great tip!!
:)
The teaching methodology seems really good, but the roll demonstration is rough.
A back deck roll should finish to the front. your elbows /arms/ paddle should form a rectangle all the way through. The straightened back arm is sinking the paddle down into the water and if it hits a rock at the tail end of the roll then you’ll have a dislocated shoulder.
This is exactly what I think
Hmmm. Why would you finish leaning back. Always should finish leaning slighty forward when doing a back deck roll.
I really don't like the look of your demonstration
I think there was a argument that keeping paddle travel under water at minimum reduce complications. But I'm just a paper kayaker, I stay dry and gain most my experience in front of computer screen ^_^
ThisNoName I agree but finishing the roll leaning back is very odd
Or you could think of it as finishing a regular roll on front deck.
ThisNoName You should finish a regular roll leaning forward...