Bobby Fischer solves a 15 puzzle in 17 seconds | Carson Tonight Show
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- Original Airdate: 1/08/1972
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No silly gimmicks. No fake laughing. Just intriguing conversation.
Amazing conversation indeed. He kept asking very good questions until he asked him probably the best one. How does Bobby Fischer practice and keep sharp until the next game ? Whose there like him to give him a good challenge in practice game. And Bobby said what I wasnt expecting.
so basically the JRE
@@fiffe7782 hmm kind of, lets put it that way
"avoid taxes and push covid lies"
ohhh he's soo good
sheep
*@Shawny Gang Gang* Technically, there was a 17-second silly gimmick at 13:00.
The problem with "silly gimmicks" and "fake laughing" is that they work well to draw more people. That's why the marketing department calls them a "benefit" rather than a problem.
People are no different than dumb moths flying towards a light bulb until the light bulb kills them.
*People are the problem.*
*Edit:* "they works well" changed to "they work well"
“Play the wrong move in your mind, get rid of it” is probably the greatest quote I’ve ever heard on playing chess.
I've spent my life trying to do exactly that.
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“Play the wrong move in your mind, get rid of it. Find a better move. Oh god I just gave them my queen” that’s my chess game.
Make the wrong move and you lose your mind like Fisher did.
I regard this Johnny Carson interview with Bobby Fischer as the standard reference of talk show hosting excellence. Fischer had a notorious and awkward personality behind that precocious intellect and chess genius. It makes you appreciate all the more Carson’s extraordinary talent as a talk show host to not only manage and skilfully guide the interview, but also to generate high quality entertainment out of such a daunting challenge.
@@Unpopularity ‘It ain’t that deep’ of course not, that’s the beauty of it, and who’s painting anybody lesser or better than anyone else? How the hell did you cook that up? All I basically said was that I admire the way Carson conducted this interview. The irony: I’m the guy who usually loves to pull up the red carpet from under the feet of many good for nothing celebrities, It’s rare that I praise any of them.
Absolutely. Bobby hated doing interviews so the fact that he went on the show is a testament to Johnny Carson
Carson asks a set of prearranged Questions from a set of cards ! No guests are hit with any unrehearsed bombshells ! How hard can it Be ! 🤔
@@vinnyvincent2862 NOT true. Have u ever actually watched/heard an interview? Seen celebs & or other ppl in the recent spotlight? Witnessed them become irate, embarrassed, or surprised/shocked?? The whole reason we watch is the entertainment factor, spontaneity=entertainment. There may be some ppl that have certain questions & topics they warn or "request" interviewers not to bring up, as ordered thru their agents; or the host may have cue cards taking him commercials, telling them what's up next, but who the hell would watch any talk show if it was all rehearsed? Ask the numerous failed talk shows hosts about that. It ain't easy please a bunch of ppl all @ the same time & have John Q. Public live u & keep coming back. For YEARS.
@@Unpopularity i think you don't know much about talk shows and how hard guests really are. Not everyone can just go up there and make someone you never met before comfort. Look at Toby Mcguire and David Letterman. Horrible chemistry. Awkward. And after Toby valued never to come back. Sometimes things to mesh but when you have someone who can get an interview like this out of someone it's very cool. Any Harrison Ford interview is so painfully boring. Conan and Harrison Ford is always so funny and fun to watch. Very deep
Carson correcting himself on the work 'trick' after noticing Bobby's slight flinch was a sign of professionalism and respect for his guest and the game. Well played, Johnny. Well played.
I noticed this too but Bobby himself says "my tricks" at around 8 minutes
@@kcmuleJohnny was being a pro.
He was being careful not to belittle the topic with the wrong word and being clear about it, yeah he's a gem. It;s one thing for the player to refer to tricks, but when someone else uses the term it can easily imply shortcuts or a lack of skill.
there was no flinch when he said trick in this clip. are you referring to the original broadcast and saying you remembered he flinched? the idea he corrected himself based on something he saw in bobby is GARBAGE.
You hear a lot of interviews say to sportspeople, even boxers and fighters that they “did it easy” that’s often not appreciated either.
"You are the best chess player in the World aren't ya?
"Yeah"
- Bobby Fisher, 1972
Let's not forget he was not undefeated. Bobby lost many chess games, and any sharp bum on a given sunday afternoon street corner could have cleaned his clock had he ran into the wrong bum on the wrong day. Like Tom Brady points out, it's not about being the best- it's about who plays the best on that day.
I'm glad Bobby received all the accolades he did as his victories ushered in an excitement for the game which no doubt trickled down to me and countless others, who also bought and loved his book. But he was way over sensationalized and he let it get to his head, which is why he "disappeared" from the chess world as long as he did.
He was so focused on being the best, and retaining that image he would have been likely beaten very badly the following year when he declined to rematch for the world championship.
It took him many years to overcome the screw-job that fame and all that he went through in the MSM to regain the confidence to once again go out and try to prove to himself and the world that he was still capable of being the best.
As with any competitive sport , who is the "best" is but a fleeting title to many, or a rigid belief formed when the mind was still young enough to be molded.
Good talk ✊
@@Rick-the-Swift No some random guy on the street couldn't beat Fischer😂. You're absolutely fucking delusional if you think thats the case. He refused a rematch cause he was a fucking nutcase insano. Not that he'd get beaten. Magnus carlsen said he was the best to ever play. And he was trained by kasparov.
@@Rick-the-Swift if you seriously think some homeless people could beat bobby fischer in chess I feel bad for your brain
your mom's the best chess player
I get the same thing. My family says you think you're pretty smart don't you? "YEAH".😇😁 _Muse77 2021
"Why isn't it popular in America?"
"Well you have to be educated "
Hilarious
That's not what he meant, although I thought so myself initially.
How many World Champions has the US supplied us with? 2 - Fischer and Morphy
@@BenEmberley its 4. Also back to back world war champions
@@chrisvinci5417 World Wars don't count. That's team sports.
Why isn't it popular in America? For the same reason the first Harry Potter movie had to be called, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, in America. Because the filmmakers were afraid that Americans wouldn't know what a Philosopher is. And that is true. A little education can go a long way.
Fischer was just a stone cold genius. An incredible mind.
When he said he was a pawn-grabber a lightbulb went off in my head. Kicking people when they're down is definitely a winning strategy. I never knew this principle also applied to chess. But I guess he was a winner because he was the best at tediously whittling away at the king's line of defense.
It was obvious he would be bright, his mom had 3 PhDs and could speak 7 languages fluently and his dad was a Chemical engineer
also a horrible person
@@joenamathlover1987 what do you mean?
Some people are a little to smart and venture off into a lot of rabbit holes. lol
He confesses here that after becoming world champ he felt like something was "taken out" of him. That was a deep and honest statement.
One of the greatest is to achieve all your goals. One of the sadist is to have achieved all your goals and have none left.
Exactly what Magnus said
@@josephbingham1255 lol you said sadist, I think you meant "saddest"
yeah, after hearing that it's no wonder that he left the game so shortly after
This happens after good achievements to all
One is a genius with people: and one is a genius with chess. This is a gem.
Well stated👍
💯
Bobby was a real intellectual genius. He learned russian by himself in a week or 2 just to read russian chess books, he also knew many other languages that he learned in the same amount of time. He had one of the highest iqs ever measured officialy, a real stone cold genius
@@paki6277 True
Which is which?
Notice how nervous Bobby was at the beginning, very fidgety. Johnny Carson made him more comfortable with his calm demeanor and he talked to him. It ended up being a great interview.
@Game Time Johnny was the best interviewer
@@mickfunny4185 He was. Knew exactly what to say, when to say it and when to sit back and listen. When to be serious and when to interject humor. The best there ever was.
yes- I'm not sure how he does it- Johnny has humility-
He was the greatest everybody and I got to watch Johnny Carson live for many years before he signed off to retire with all his pals.
Imagine Fallon cracking jokes about "why are you so nervous?!?", and turning it into a roast
This is one of Johnny Carson's greatest interviews. As a veteran broadcaster myself, this clip demonstrates his incredible ability to ask the right questions at the right time, not to dominate the time by opining, but asking short, to-the-point questions. The result is that Johnny succeeded in helping us know Bobby Fischer better and what his life was like at that time. And of course, Johnny was a great entertainer. The bit with the puzzle was brilliant.
You're no veteran broadcaster. We don't know Bobby Fischer by watching this.
@@fjccommish 28 years full time in radio. 20,000+ hours on the air. Yeah, my colleagues in the industry would call that a veteran. Don't know who you are and you sure don't know what you are talking about. I didn't say that we "know" Bobby Fischer. I said we know him *better*. Big difference. Yeah, the man has been a recluse forever, little known. This interview is one of the better ones of him. The avalanche of comments here saying something similar means the overwhelming majority concur with what I'm saying.
@@MarkVanOuse You aren't like Johnny Carson. We don't know Bobby better. We know how he answered pre-arranged questions. Everything on a show like Carson is planned and rehearsed.
@@fjccommish don't let this guy get in your head, mark. I appreciated your initial comment. Regards!
@@fjccommish Why are you being such a jerk?
Talk shows were comnpletely different before the dumbing down agenda kicked in.
Infinitely more relaxed, intellectual and actually, very enjoyable.
That is before ‘culos’ and regeton invaded the united sates
The "dumbing down agenda"...lol. Nice try, Murican gramps.
@@gst013 there was a time when talk shows were just Trump Trump Trump not too long ago in today's age... Definitely dumbing down
@@aureliaandris8240 are you having a stroke?
That's why podcasts are so popular now.
Such a relaxed pace, no frantic mugging or fake laughs, like eavesdropping on a dinner party of ADULTS.
That's the exact reason why I clicked. I knew it was gonna be mature people that understand basics of personal responsibility, dressed in suits, etc.
The good old days. Today we are in a 24/7 victim olympics.
So true! Can’t stand Jimmy Fallons fake laugh.
@@mcdo0gal1985 At least when Fallon fake laughs, his simultaneous desk pound is real. At least I think that's his real hand.
Great analogy, well said.
@@andresp7136 Victim Olympics lol I love it
This is the first interview I’ve seen with Johnny Carson. This is magnitudes better than modern talk shows.
Same. The first one I’ve seen.
I used to love his voice in the background when I was a kid. So sad when he left. Lenno was alright but Fallon and the new guys don’t even come close.
If I have to hear Fallon say “we love you man” to one more guest I’m going to slit my wrists ... every freaking guest.. “we love you man.. we love you man ... we love you man “. 🤦♂️
oh please guys, go on a Johnny Carson binge, he was the epitome of late night hosts
And Bobby Fisher was red-pilled AF about the "JayQue" 😉. Good lad.
Bobby had to be feeling he was at the top of the world here. Impeccably dressed in front of a large nationwide TV audience, mixing with famous celebrities, getting laughs and applause from a very appreciative crowd, an interviewer who seemed to relate to him and what he had to go through to be world champion. I guess Bobby could not get the same motivation to sustain his drive to be #1 as he had leading up to 1972.
👏👏👏👏
Yeah he even said in the interview that something left him soon as he won
Johnny Carson was arguably the best talk show host ever. Welcoming, congenial, well informed about his guests, and a great sense of humor. Remember watching his show as a kid. Simply brilliant.
Look up Dick Cavett, he also did amazing talk shows, one as well with Bobby Fischer. Always very interesting and very enjoyable.
Don't you think he's such a natural guy?
So tell me what made Jay Leno so off-putting to you, after Carson?
I cannot believe there could be such an intelligent conversation on any late night talk show today.
Fallon would do a song roulette, Corbin carpool karaoke, and Kimmel would crack some jokes about Chess nerds and AV club. Carson actually conversed.
Today’s tonight show hosts are TERRIBLE. I can’t stand how corny and fake they are.
@@rickroll9086 Content to be #juveniles4ever
Does anyone even watch TV anymore?! 🤣
Seriously its astounding how much better Carson is than any of today's hosts.
For self-proclaiming that he knew nothing about chess, Carson did a great job asking relative and interesting questions. Great interviewing skills and voice for sure.
He definitely knew a little if he asked about gambits and knew what it meant. Carson was likely just a very bad chess player or beginner level that said he didn't know how to play but I'm pretty sure he knew how the pieces moved. Just my opinion though.
He was one of the best talk show hosts in history. Very intuitive, forthright and calm with each one of his guest, whether he personally knew/liked what they were into or not. Outstanding host.
*relevant
There is only one Beatles, one Michael Jackson, one Johnny Carson and one Bobby Fischer.
Well said Lily Bond! So true......
Wow. I never knew talk shows used to feature intelligent conversation, and weren't always just nonsensical like they are today. Brilliant!
This guy just oozes brilliance & genius just by his mannerisms alone.
And this Fischer guy is also no slouch.
@@MartValja 👍
that’s kinda what having an IQ of 180+ does
His mannerisms don’t stand out in any way. He’s not very articulate and doesn’t have much charisma.
He’s brilliant in chess. He has a super high iq and is a genius but I wouldn’t say he seems like one when taking to him.
“What do you like to do outside of chess?”
“I like to study some chess....”
When we first heard about him we thought it was just a gift but biographies show that he worked as hard at his game in his youth as any athlete. Thousands of hours of study and tournaments.
Shame it drove him mad as a hatter. He spent the end of his life an angry nutter on Island, his driver being his only friend. He would lose that friendship at the end too, they wanted to make a film about him, and they would pay him good money, he was fine with it until he found out his friend would also get some money, a lot less, but he rejected the deal cause somebody else, even his only friend, would benefit from it.
timestamp sir
@@gbeachy2010 He learned RUSSIAN so that he could study the Russian chess books. Let that sink in for a moment.
@@Studeb wow
I like how Fischer describes how many moves he looks ahead in a game: If there is only one reply and there's a line of moves with only one reply, then he can see 20 moves ahead. If there's a line of moves each with 3 or 4 replies, then he might only see 2 moves ahead.
Well explained.
Yea this is where you see a genius iq in action, being able to take in all that information and use it, he actually makes it sound so simple, it's irrelevant to him of who hes playing because whatever the move he's calculating ahead, obviously to us it's not that simple 😂, great interview and what an insight into his thinking
@@stevesmith8933 I agree, but that is only possible if you start playing young, and thats really the biggest advantage. A person with 100 iq that starts playing at 6 till 9 will always beat a genius that plays from 16 till 19.
@@TheReasonableSkepticist I don't think that is true. Where is the evidence for this statement? The thing about chess is there are correct moves and incorrect moves. If the more intelligent person knows the rules and analyzed the strategies used over the years and the other person had just been playing without researching the hundreds of years of strategies why would you assume they would still win?
@@BiasFreeTV Thé evidence is that nearly all titled players started playing seriously before the age of 10. Chess is like a language, it’s much easier to learn if you are young.
@@TheReasonableSkepticist because people get into it at a young age. what reason would someone have for starting chess later in life, if they have an affinity for the game? anyone can afford a set, so the barrier into entry is incredibly small. if they have an interest chances are they started playing early. that said, many people pick up chess later in life, Rubenstein was 16. The number 2 guy in Poland started at 42. There are plenty of examples of people starting late in life. So while a genius who started at 6 would likely fare better than a genius who started at 16, I don't think it's true that someone of average intellect would necessarily usurp a more intelligent player due solely to when they started.
Bobby Fischer was a genius. Johnny Carson was lucky to have him on his show. Great interview, great reminder of a bygone era in American history.
Old school TV shows are just unforgettable.
Fr!
Johnny Carson was so polite and seemed genuinely interested in whatever his guests were doing, or at least made everyone believe he was, he took a jab at humour whenever possible, it's nearly impossible to dislike the guy.
Yeah and then he'd go home and domestically abuse his household. What a fucking legend. /s
Scott Magill,
Alcoholism & marriage don't mix, he was also an introvert, I heard he was a mean drunk, but during divorce(s) many stories both true & exaggerated do come out.
To Carson's credit he gave a Massive Amount to charity, he created the Johnny Carson Foundation with 156 million (in 2005 dollars) the largest Hollywood sourced charity EVER, you can't buy your way into heaven, but I think he redeemed his name.
@@johndelper1404 That's your opinion regarding his character and I respect the information that you shared. Thank you.
We have fallen since. I have seen a video of Magnus Carlsen doing chess promotion in a school. He was in a open space with lockers around, there was movement and bells. A grand master is treated this way now. No respect.
@@mikecimerian6913 The guy became a millionaire by playing a board game, chill.
Johnny’s patience and gentleness coaxed a notoriously difficult guest into revealing the human side of his genius.
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Fischer was easy-going and friendly not difficult.
@@randymctavish3728 friendly but nervous
He went crazy in later years
@@challenge2357 No he didn't that's just what his enemies say.
Carson was seriously seriously good at hosting a talk show. Unmatched in versatility.
Carson is so good at making conversation. This would be a mess if Fischer was interviewed by one of our current late night hosts.
So very true in other countries too. Australia had some fantastic interviewers 30 or 40 years ago. Great conversationalists with wit. Nowadays, they couldn't carry a conversation if they tried and only seem to know how to follow a script.
I love how this is so obvious, but some people still try to cope and say it's nostalgia. We're getting dumber
The only recent host that would stand a chance would be Conan O'Brien. He can be clownish, but has intelligence to back it up. Fallon would try to get Fischer to sing karaoke.
It was a mess back then too. Listen to Bobby Fischer interview on the Dick Cavett show. It was so awkward it made my skin crawl. Dick Cavett literally say's "I wish I knew the right questions to ask you."
He's not arrogant. He's a genius, he's competitive, and he's being honest.
he was still arrogant, just rightfully arrogant
@Timothy Gray
In the video he was alive. I'm 98% certain of it.
@@malachi4838 how do you define arrogance.
He doesn't disrespect the others. Arrogant people disrespect the others. He doesn't. But states that among that players he is the best player.
an arrogant genius
@@innosanto I mean if arrogance is related to disrespect, I recommend you read up on his beliefs and what he's said about Jews (despite having Jewish ancestry himself).
Carson, as a nonchessplayer, asked very relevant questions regarding chess. Its really quite impressive.
That is called PREPARATION and PROFESSIONALISM. Something almost all late show hosts lack today.
Compare it with what the chess journalist ask in recent WCC
Thats how hosts should be. Now we have clowns
I was noticing the exact same thing. I was like... man, Johnny is asking some really good questions.
It should have been no surprise though since he was the best to do it in my opinion. Late night hasnt been the same since he left.
I played when I was young.It was fun and I got the game right away. My brother was 6 and he played very well.
Never realized before that Bobby Fischer was an absolute Unit. Guy could beat you in chess,.. and most likely in the Ring as well Damn
And in the bedroom 🥲
Carson actually asking interesting questions for someone who knows very little about the game; not just fluff. So refreshing ... a time when late night interviewers actually tried to interview, rather than simply be personalities.
Well stated
Here's a great example where Johnny showed why he was so good at what he did. No politics, no trumpeting his own horn, just good thoughtful questions, and a genuine interest in learning and what the guy had to say. That put Bobby Fisher at ease and he opened right up.
Johnny was the best. He knew when to try to be funny and he knew when to spotlight his guest
Absolutely. And since that style and approach was so successful, why did these Late night shows turn into , “Let’s kick conservatives asses in every single joke, every single segment, every conversation?? We watch news and want entertainment later, but these whacked out Night Show hosts have nothing else in their repertoire. Single-subject shows night after night after night.
I grew up with The late-night shows now are all about politics, and none of them can fill Jhonny Carson's shoes.
as a brit johnny carson is a semi-mythical figure who doesnt really feature in our culture. Here ive just watched him for the first time and hes amazing at "playing dumb" to get his guests to feel empowered. Bobby fischer didnt need much encouragement, but Johnny clearly was anything but dumb. great host.
Richard Harris was a favorite guest and told such great stories, but he always came out nervous like he had been called into the Head Master’s office. Then there would be a little old lady from somewhere in the hills and she’d be hilarious too.
The contrast of the intelligence and class from this clip compared to the complete idiocy permeating current social media is sobering.
But that's what everybody says. Are you part of the problem? Watching CZcams like me?
I think you're right. The intelligence can be found usually in the comments. Like yours
Well said 🔥
@@Anthony-hu3rj yeah but not worsted problem to have
Definitely. It shows the dangers of social media especially considering the last president trying to demolish the Capitol using minions that Trump egged on using social media
There is not a single late-night talk show host today who could conduct such an interview without trying to get laughs or to keep the energy up among the audience. This was a sober, interesting interview that Carson conducted without letting such an academic subject as chess become dull. I can't think of anyone today who could do this.
Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see. No great mind has ever existed without a touch of madness. Only a couple of idioms that best described Bobby Fischer.
Johnny was a master at asking really good questions with just the right amount of comedy
He was the Oprah Winfrey of his era.
Bobby Fisher was red-pilled AF about the "JayQue" 😉. Good lad.
@@catkeys6911 don't insult Johnny Carson by putting his name in the same sentence with Oprah Winfrey
him and Dick Cavett and Tom Snyder were incredible
I had forgotten how amazing Carson was. So smart and smooth. None of today’s hosts are in his league.
your mom's in his league
@@mikek2951 gottem.
Conan is very good
Our society is in decline. Fischer was fairly keen on the cause of this too....
Talk show hosts today are arrogant, egotistical clowns.
No one will be able to equal Johnny Carson's ability to do an interview on a late night show. This is a perfect example of how to interview people of interest without constantly injecting silliness or sexual innuendo which has become the pattern of other late night talk show hosts.
To be fair, Johnny had lots of contemporaries like Dick Cavett who were also doing smart interviews without goading the audience to laugh or applaud every 5 seconds. It was just a different time, with different expectations for what a talk show was.
Johnny was very good, but but not unique in this regard.
One of the BEST interviews. EVER!!
12:00 for the puzzle
To the top!
legend
Thanks man
Thanks dude
Thank you my guy
"I only lost 2 games. I didn't make many moves I regretted."😂😂😂👍👍
Bobby is not very talkative, but Johnny does an excellent job of prompting him with questions.
I love how humble Carson is, mentioning how little he knows about the game.
I also appreciate how someone as "cool" as Carson (he was a buddy of the uber cool rat-pack with Sanatra back in the day), doesnt attempt to make jokes at Bobby's expense and doesnt try to make him seem "nerdy" for the audience's entertainment.
Also...this interview is riveting to me. I cant stop watching
I like how Carson was respectful and gracious.
Yup, and nervous.
@@johnhungerford6073 He was! I think because, as he readily admitted, he knew nothing about chess. Still, he handled the interview so well. Gotta love the cigarette in the ashtray. Lol
Carson always put his guest in the best light.
Except he kept calling him Bob. It's Bobby.
@@albertjrich That was great I chucked when he said "Sure Bob"
For somebody who claims to know nothing about chess, Johnny asked better questions than many whose entire job revolves around asking people questions.
He kinda fit in that category too tho.
@@drummerdoingstuff5020 True, but the category includes people like reporters and other show hosts, and with today's sorry excuses of late night hosts, it's refreshing to see. Johnny Carson was and always will be the best. If he was alive today, his podcasts would be fire!
@@wolverine9632 If he would do podcasts. Conan O'Brien makes transitioning to longtime traditional TV host to podcaster look like a good move, but the way Johnny Carson retired then stayed retired, maybe Carson would have said no to all the new media.
Johnny was king
Absolute bolox. "You're the champion chess player of the entire world". He was World Chess Champion. "Is the trick, not the trick to maintain the championship?". His questions were inane. "What endorsement offers have you had? One's that a kinda strange?" What sort of question is that? Carson showing his complete lack of understanding about chess. I thought his questions were infantile. "Can anyone learn to play chess?" F.F.S. the mans an idiot.
This interview was masterful, very organic, I love it!
R.I.P. to the legend Bobby Fisher. 👑
"Organic" is a beautiful description.
Fischer was so far ahead of the competition at his time...unmatched in history.
Except by another American chess genius, Paul Morphy.
Jose Raul Capablanca edges him , otherwise, yeah!
@@davidcopson5800 Perhaps so. Bobby Fischer brought chess into the American mainstream.
@@josephbingham1255 But did you know Gasai that Magnus hates Americans? look up ZS4ZPF
@@davidcopson5800 But did you know Gasai that Magnus hates Americans? look up ZS4ZPF
No politics, no agenda by the host. Just a great interview about the guest on the couch. Not about the host or his ego. Johnny was simply the best. Never be another like him.
Pretty sure I saw politics in there.
@@drunkrtard point it out
This is actually highly political, not just the politics of our time.
@@alfonsoignacio9006 WHAT? The ONLY talk that came near "politics" was of how Spassky was treated in the Soviet Union after this event, and the 'competition' of international chess. Who would compare that dialogue with the Marxist, divisive garbage they're spewing at the networks today? Are people that indoctrinated by Liberal socialism to see the same level of politics in this interview?
that was a really tough interview. Fisher, like a lot of brilliant people is a bit of an introvert and drawing him out on a topic is abstruse his chest, no small feat. This is a hell of a lot more impressive from Johnny Carson‘s perspective, then when he interviews Robin Williams for example.
"I woke up the day after the thing was over and I just felt different, like something had been taken out of me." His whole life he had been dreaming, preparing, and living for this ultimate goal. Once he achieved it there was a massive hole left behind. And sadly, for him, nothing could really fill it.
Happens to a lot of champions. Such an ironic fallacy.
The hunger to be the best is their drive and once that hunger is satiated the fire burns out.
Mostly in 1v1 mental and physical. Especially in fighting/ mma/ boxing.
@@Dunkdamonk Happened to Tyson Fury after he beat Klitschko. He went totally off the rails for a few years. Hope he's all right now, since he seems to be the type who could easily fall apart again. And he really doesn't have much left to prove at this point to help motivate him.
what "his whole life", the man became a world champion in an incredible battle against the Soviet machine, even before he turned 30, after which he achieved the goal and gave up ... normally! Then his life goes on for even more than 30 years, you idiots! The hole is in the minds of those who persecuted, terrorized, persecuted and slandered him !
I totally agree...things lost all meaning for HIm..but the Great Bobby left us Chess960..which are really incredible..He was the Greatest!
Jesus fill all holes.. hope he was able to let it go and believe Jesus died for his sin...
There's a lot of younger commenters here saying how great this is, how good Johnny is, how bad talk shows are now.... to put things in context, you have to understand that Johnny *invented* the talk show format. There has never been anyone since that could hold a candle to him. He was the absolute greatest. Pure class, style, humor - but still relatable. He could laugh at himself, and never took things too seriously. I love Craig Ferguson's show, and there have been other good shows (early Letterman was fantastic, but a different type of show entirely). But the Tonight Show was always tops, and Johnny was, and always will be, the King. When my family took a vacation to Southern California in the mid 80's, as a young teenager I was fortunate enough to recognize his greatness - and the one thing I asked to see was not Disneyland, not Hollywood, not beaches... but Johnny Carson - so we went. I will never forget that hour plus in the audience. It was pure magic.
Awesome! Do you remember who the guests where?
Jack Par was the original Host of The Tonight Show, who is the person that Johnny Carson replaced.
Ferguson seems to have an interesting show. Clips on you tube show a stream of beautiful women and lots of sexual innuendo and they respond to it.
Sure, but subversion is also a thing that exists and is real and relevant, example 1-9999 shows like this vs the ones now...
One is objectively better and has little to no blatant propaganda, the other has nothing but that and sucks to top it off.....
This is the first time I am hearing his voice. I didn't imagined him like this. He looks completely normal. And seems a friendly person.
He didn’t “go crazy” until his own government put out an arrest warrant for him for playing a rematch with Spaasky because Yugoslavia was under a boycott by the UN. After that he really let it be known who he felt was in control. And since they own the media they made him out to be insane
@@strangebrew1231 not really, Fischer became unhinged and reclusive long before that.
How can he be so confident to the point of arrogance yet so honest to the point of humility?
He simply knew he was the best.
Your comment has its own talent as well.
I was noticing this too, though you put it more succinctly than I would have. He straight out admitted by usually only thinks two or three moves ahead. But in saying that, he also said that for each move he pictures, he has to think through 3 or 4 other possible moves by his opponent. Interesting to get a glimpse into his mind. By the way, he also has a talent for brevity. Very interesting man.
By not making stuff up and just answered the questions as a matter of factly.
He seems quite humble and honest to me.
I can't tell which is best:
1) Johnny's showmanship
2) Bobby's mental acumen
3) That shag carpet
None of the above. The correct answer is "34C") Suzanne Pleshette's Chest.
@Jeff B only if your talking about Suzanne Pleshette's carpet you Donkey
the puff on the cigarette before he started the puzzle
Paula Prentiss
Ok Doc ..”hands over the Internet”.. check a d mate..
Great interview, and Bobby was a brilliant legendary man.
Never seen this before and it displays Carson as a truly incredible interviewer. He is reacting to everything Fischer says or the body language shown. He is also phrasing questions well ahead to keep the interview flowing. Just thinking like a chess player in fact.
Johnny Carson was before my time, but I see now why he's so beloved. His interview is the perfect blend of serious and humorous. At the same time, he keeps pulling you in closer and closer, and before you realize it, it's over. There's a natural rhythm to his style that is sort of hypnotizing. I'm not even a chess fan but I enjoyed every minute of this.
A big part is he doesn't focus on himself and instead keeps the interviewee talking.
Johnny will forever be the king of late night. He spoke to everyone equally, he took jabs at everyone equally (including himself). He never used his platform for socio-political punditry. And NO ONE will ever replicate his ability to look into the camera for an unspoken punchline.
Today's late night hosts have become vitriolic pundits, who instead of telling jokes and making minor social/political commentary, are now pushing mockery and condemnation as "comedy".
The only host in 30yrs to even get close to Johnny's level of greatness was Craig Ferguson, who was robbed of David Letterman's show when David retired, because Craig was not political enough, or more precisely, he was not partisanly political enough.
Today the US has only one classic style late night personality in Conan O'brien , the rest are hour long political Op Ed shows marketed as "comedic entertainment".
I’m really impressed, came here for the puzzle and ended up watching the whole thing, he makes the interview and the guest so interesting and entertaining.
I loved Johnny as a kid and still do. However I also remember how disappointed I was when I realized that he/they were using his show and his platform as the day's "best" interviewer as a vehicle to politicize many events. Even this interview, is part of why Bobby Fischer "disappeared" from the chess world as long as he did. He was screwed up by all of the attention, along with the title the "Best", which he Bobby became consumed by.
That title still consumes and clouds his fans to this day who never understood how screwed up Bobby was because of this belief that others had held for him, and with him.
People should realize that Bobby was not undefeated. He lost many (probably countless) chess games.
Fischer was unable to let go of the title that others, like Carson gave him and that he gave to himself. Many champions well understand that the "best" is but a fleeting title, or a rigid belief formed when the mind was still young enough to be molded.
Bobby's mind became molded alright, but not by the kind others may think- it became infected as it became politicized into making the Americans yet once more the world's "best" against the Russians.
It's little wonder why he declined to rematch for the world championship the following year. His mind was so consumed with retaining the image as the world's best, he likely would have been beaten badly and therefor his highly coveted title demolished. He simply couldn't allow that to happen, or perhaps he was persuaded to forfeit the tournament by others who are very powerful and convinced him to remain silent.
Now when I look back and see how politicized of an object Bobby became and which he allowed, I can't help but pray for him, Carson and everyone else that took part in it, including myself. Bobby's sacrifice was far greater than most will ever realize.
@@UnknownUzer "He never used his platform for socio-political punditry"
I hadn't read your comment until after mine was made, and I could see why you might think that, but respectfully I couldn't disagree more with this notion. Please read my previous comment for a fuller view what that entails. Johnny and the Tonight show runners used his platform to persuade countless people across the world to lean this way or that, when it came to many of the day's politics. Johnny's arena, although subtle, was one of the biggest and most effective socio-political platforms to have ever existed IMO. His charm and humor were just the key ingredients people needed if they were to digest a pill that was as big and as important as Americans, being the "Best"- especially when paired against our rivals- the Russians!
And keep in mind we are only talking about this one episode. There are many.
I was in Ireland as a teen while Fischer and Spasky were playing for the championship. It was exciting that the whole world was watching the cold war being played on a board game.
Ireland?
He said it wasnt televised
@jeff afe LMAO
@Jeff B I don’t think people care about major details like that these days. They just like to be rude. It makes me laugh though. Ha
It was definitely a "Romancic era" in chess... before the computers. This guy was Alpha Zero! Chess is having a boom right now in because of online chess its crazy, 20th century Chess was a whole different game really. Thousands of years and the game continues to evolve.
What a great interview. If only class like this still existed.
Johnny Carson was the absolute best. What a legend he was. This interview with another legend is pure gold.
There will never be another Johnny Carson. I'm just so glad he was with us as long as he was.
And there will never be another Bobby Fischer.
@@zippydoo9533 it's truly sad what happened to Bobby Fischer.
Bobby Fischer
@@zippydoo9533 Bobby Fischer
All great chess players tend to have mental problems. No regular person can see hundreds of moves ahead.
It's impressive how well Carson's demeanor and civility hold up after all these years. He was just a class act.
Made me question my existence watching a video and seeing that I had already commented on it the day before I watched it. Cheers from one Mark Sawyer to another.
Class never goes out of style.
@Jeff B Colbert is DNC propaganda shill
Could you imagine Leno, Letterman, or Kimmel interviewing Magnus Carlson?
I think Kimmel is the most Johnny-like of the current crop
That was a really great interview with one of the greatest geniuses of all time back in those good old days!!!
Infinitely more relaxed, intellectual and actually, very enjoyable.
13:00 For those who just want to see him solve the puzzle.
Thank you!
Thank you!!
Gracias!
Not all heroes wear capes
You make life easier
Interesting that I've known about Bobby Fischer for so long, yet this video is only my first time hearing his voice
Same
You should watch the documentary: Bobby Fischer against the world.
Same
He sounds a lot like Dylan, his manner of speech too
Same. Well I've heard of him
Bobby fisher is the reason I love the game of chess so much, I watched a documentary on CZcams not too long ago and was fascinated by him and the game! Extraordinary human being
Wonderful interview by Johnny Carson!
Almost forgot what a great interviewer Johnny really was.
He was the best hands down.
In an interview, Johnny said he rarely did political jokes but when he did they were never mean spirited. He asks the interviewer, why would I want to hiss off half my audience every night?. Smart man. Haven't watched any of the late night junk on nowadays since Jay Leno left. I loved headlines on Monday nights.
@@tomtransport he came across as a complete a-hole and a puppet for the state when he interviewed Jim Garrison.
@@uncletony6210 I missed that show but interpretations of interviews is up to the individual watching/listening. I'll reserve my take till I see/hear it and get back to you.
Compare him to David Letterman's loud laugh 🤔
A lot of people have commented how good an interviewer Johnny Carson was and how he put Fisher at ease during the interview. This is undoubtedly true and one of the reason Fisher decided to go on his show after winning the championship. When Bobby won, everyone and their mothers were trying to get Fisher on their show, but Fisher was very introverted and dislike doing interviews and live appearances (in fact I think he did 3; Carson’s, Bob Hopes and Dinah Shore’s). But Fisher loved Johnny’s show and decided to go on.
We are all lucky that Fisher took an interest in chess instead of a more malevolent past time. This interview alone is a treasure trove of red flags for any psychoanalytic professional. His choice of clothing, his facial expressions, his body language and erratic movement. This mans potential for malevolence is staggering. He could have very easily been another Ted Bundy if just one small part of his childhood took a significantly different turn.
@@VotEtoPizdets He is a very very interesting study from a psychological point of view.As you have said, look at Fisher’s body movements and ticks during the interview. He seems very guarded and nervous. The thing he said in this interview ghat I found most interesting is when Fisher stated that the morning after he won the championship he felt that something was taken out of him.He was so driven to beat the Russians and become champ; now that motivation was gone. He had no childhood so he couldn’t fall back on that. As a teenage he didn’t meet girls ect ect. It wasn’t long after this that he read “the proticals” and went off the deep end.
He was on Dick Cavett also..
@@VotEtoPizdets Good Lord!!! ! WtF? And a genuine curiosity... How can you say all this? Your qualifications?!!
@@VotEtoPizdets I want to hear more about this.
This is the gold standard of talk shows and it's a shame we don't have it anymore. I grew up on Carson.
Could you imagine a chess player being interviewed now by one of the late night hosts?
Johnny:
Bobby: "I really don't play too much because if I play someone I'm just giving away my tricks."
underrated comment.... & Bobby Fischer is a clever orator. Chooses his words carefully & you can pick up on his savage sarcasm if you pay attention. He speaks in the same way he plays chess...... Awesome, lost form of media excellence.
@@johnbaer1528 Well put
Dude I heard that but it didn't register.
Very interesting.
Yeah, but in this context, he's talking about moves he might make on a chess board to lure his opponent into a trap, not physical or psychological tricks. Although, I do believe Bobby wasn't entirely forthcoming about his use of psychological warfare when participated in these tournaments, that's just not what he meant when he used the word 'trick'.
@@operator0 I just think Johnny was afraid it would somehow be read as cheap or insulting. Bobby didn't think so, whether "tricks" as in gambits or "tricks" as in means to psych someone out. Just a funny thing where Bobby didn't need to be handled as carefully as Johnny supposed.
Being honest about yourself doesn’t mean you’re arrogant.
And yes, it’s 2021 and this is still inspiring!!!
Yeah. A current world champion should be able to say they are the best. Simple as that. With chess there is also very little doubt. At least as far as competitive players are concerned.
@@joeblack4436 like Muhammed Ali
fine line. important distinction.
Theres a thing called humility. Being humble is the biggest flex in the world. Don't tell people you're the best. Show them.
@@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Um...He literally was the world champ. He was asked if he was the best. If he said no, then he would sound like a simpleton.
There's a problem with stating things are not than what they are that people do not give enough attention to. There's a substantial part of the human brain that is literal AF. It couldn't tell something is a "flex" if it tried. Anything, but anything you, or anybody else says is taken at face value, and stored as valid information. Now, considering some modern trends, if most people recorded themselves for a day, and then kept this in mind while they review everything they said, then they would be horrified. Constantly inundating themselves, and others, often their closest friends and loved ones, with mountains of negative reinforcements.
Mesmerizing personality, can't imagine what people felt playing against him
Fantastic interview, two geniuses and 18 minutes of compelling conversation.
lmfao no sorry only one of them as a 180 IQ. Watching fischer talk to carsons is like watching a baby and an adult conversing. That is the gap between their IQ's.
I fell inlove with Johnny Carson after this interview. How serious he was, matching Bobbys intensity not treating any question like a joke. Great Great job.
Johnny hated him as a guest. He never had him on again.
@@I_WANT_MY_SLAW really?
@@jasoneel76 he probably made that up
Carson was the gold standard interviewer -- lucid questions, well prepared for the guest in advance, detailed questions and layers of questions to dive deeper, a genuine and truly obviously interested host-interviewer rather than just a host, and a good listener who didn't talk over or talk more than the guest. This interview with Bobby Fischer is just great. Fischer's facial expressions are strikingly similar to Nicholas Cage
Cavett second place for me
Woahh youre right! He looks like Nic Cages brother
Carlson is great at raport with his guest and seems much less phoney than many hosts. That is an increadibly hard skill when doing TV interviews as usually there is an ulterior motive that the station want.
Yeps, yep, yepp and yes (and, he looks like cage and stallone were merged, so you'd beef up cage, keep cage's face, get stallones voice, but no speech imped...Sylvester "15" Cage)
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It's very telling how Bobby says right at the start of the interview how empty he felt after achieving his dream. He is the GOAT imo
Great moment of tv, diplomatic and funny Johnny Carson, hilarious Ed McMahon, wonderful Suzanne Pleshette, and amazing Bobby Fisher. Yes, very different vibes on today's late night, much much better then. Thanks for posting it.
Almost 40 years later people are still fascinated with Bobby Fischer. I think Johnny did an amazing job keeping Bobby at ease. In 1972, while Spassky slept, 50 Grandmasters studied the position from the previous day, and yet Bobby beat them all, not just Spassky ... all the Russians were defeated. That's how good Bobby Fischer was!
40 years? Next year will be the 50th year since Fischer won the title in '72.
And yet there was that famous position that Botvinnik drew thanks to help from E Geller in the adjournment. Spassky has admitted he was not in his prime for the 72 contest, his star was already waning, and was "out of ideas", having used them all up just to get there. I think Geller or Tal, or most probably Korchnoi, would have been better opponents at that time. It would definitely have been more interesting. That is not to underrate Bobby. The other guys had been at the top and great for years. Fisher was the dynamo new blood, with great skill, and great determination, practically rewriting some endgame theory. And some very good American chess playing buddies too. Yes Fisher was incredibly good. But not vastly apart from his contemporaries as is supposed. He lost quite a lot more, than is realised too. Mikhail Tal was known, as some others, to play over 80 serious games without loss. There was an awful lot of incredible talent around. To overcome all the Soviets took incredible drive and purpose. Fisher was focused solely on chess, to break their monopoly, and I'm glad he did. Shame he gave up playing the others! But was still great at blitz in the 1990's.
Wow.
have you seen the fine film: Searching for Bobby Fischer? Child prodigy of chess in the 90’s
@@clips001ify The movie was okay... but a big disappointment from the novel, which was excellent. Of course, movie adaptations not living up to the novel is not uncommon.
These are INCREDIBLE questions. Johnny knew who he was dealing with and showed an attunement I have rarely seen when interviewing psychologically particular genius.
There will never be another like the great Johnny Carson. 💜
I think you meant the Great Bobby Fischer!
Johnny Carson really did a great job in this interview, I gained a lot of respect for both of them from watching this
This interview is way ahead of it's time. Two gifted gentle, masters at their own craft.
Not *ahead* of its time - as many have pointed out, no modern talk shows are as slow and thoughtful as this. It’s a product of its time I’d say
Bobby Fisher was red-pilled AF about the "JayQue" 😉. Good lad.
Its of its time.
This is THE time. Interviewers today are jackshit. Craig Ferguson and Conan are probably the only decent ones who are above average in today's time.
@@ereh11 i find this phrase "ahead of its time" really stupid, to be fair.
as if everything was supposed to only ever improve over time.
but the quality of journalism, for that matter, has generally deteroriated over the past decades (the reasons are multiple and debatable, but that's another subject).
so, no - those who upheld this quality back in the day weren't "ahead of their time".
they WERE their time, and thankfully so.
Love the fact that Fischer could simply say he was The Best without any irony or shame or shyness. When it's true, it's true.
Well, he did win the title. He was at this time, the best.
@@greatwhitesufi Probably of all times. Certainly better than Carlsen. Except for Morphy, nobody was more dominant than Fischer was at his peak.
@@profd65 XD
@@profd65 im pretty new to chess but isnt Magnus a higher elo?
@@scrubfive9239 There's inflation in chess ratings just as there's inflation in money. I'm sure Vishy Anand has a higher rating now than he did when he was 27, but there's NO WAY he's stronger now than he was at 27. Chess players get worse as they age; they're like athletes, they don't get better.
I wish interviews were this classy these days
He answers exactly the question asked and the host does great with pulling the follow up out of him
Johnny is playing chess every time he does an interview, he’s a Grandmaster Host.👍👍🇨🇦👍👍
Absolutely! The visual comedy when he turned away from Fischer to hide his inadequacy was brilliant.
Now you see why they call him the king of late night. Imagine a clown like Fallon trying to do this interview. Classy, curious, thought provoking questions. What a legend.
...who’s fallon?
Not just the questions but the timing and presentation.
@@3DxPOD Precisely. Fischer is not an easy interview and this is one of the best ones I’ve seen of him.
Fallon is loathsome, always turning the attention to himself. Note his exaggerated laugh and facial mugging at a guest's joke, turning the attention back to him. He lacks gravitas and is an insufferable ham. He should be replaced.
Letterman would have been horrible too. The current Late Night dudes think that insults and barbs are humorous. Sure, you might eventually develop tough skin if you are constantly in the limelight but Fischer would not have been drawn out that way. Maybe Trevor Noah or on his best, past behavior a Bill Maher. Stephen Colbert went off his rocker when Trump became President and still hasn't returned from the Nut Farm with his paranoia and conspiracies. The worst is John Oliver who is unwatchable at any time.
God Bless Bobby and Johnny, the humor out of Johnny during the 15 puzzle segment was was priceless. No matter how many times, I watch this I end up with belly laughs!!!:-)
When you have an interviewer like that, the interview becomes so much more interesting. Hope we had more of these talk show hosts today
Fischer's level of concentration and intensity while doing that puzzle - very impressive and revealing. Intense and accurate intelligence working out.
I think Carson’s expression while watching him is priceless
All the glory goes to God. Our gifts come from God. Maybe he should have used his powerful mind for God.
@@BM-ru7ef It is.
@@jerrylisby5376 Good point to bring up. The Divine Mind is so far beyond the human that it is unimaginable.
Playing trillions of trillions of trillions of games of chess throughout the world and across the universe simultaneously would be like a wisp of straw on a train....
Fischer himself regretted going into chess. Paul Morphy was extremely gifted at chess but considered it a waste of time. Sultan Khan was another highly gifted player who shared this view, and refused to teach chess to his descendants, saying to them that they should do something better with their lives.
@@jerrylisby5376 Maybe religion has served whatever purpose it had to serve, & now we can progress?
Talk shows are not what they used to be. This was a fantastic interview!
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be either.
I love how honest Bobby is. Very refreshing. He even admits he is maybe not the best player in history.
Omg. Genius. Watching him solve the puzzle was dazzling
This is when talk show hosts knew how to do great interviews.
Lol, it was all planned, every aspect is planned, no conversation was free, it's all planned in advance
They had time to develop a conversation. Fewer ads.
@@xxxgames4458 pretty sure all shows are planned.
No, only Johnny Carson. Carson was special. There were a few other good interviewers back in the day, but no one who could combine interviewing and humor. That's why Carson was the one and only King of Late Night TV.
You can tell Carson took time to learn about this once in lifetime genius before the interview. Well done.
Carson made an effort to help Bobby's public profile in this interview. (This may have been talked about prior to broadcast.) Bobby was rather nervous, particularly at the beginning.
@@electronwave4551 He looks rather comfortable I thought
@@severusfloki5778 On review, I should have used anxious rather than nervous. His is waving his foot around a lot. I think the purpose of the interview was to re-introduce him to the US public as a brilliant but 'regular guy' to counteract reports of his obsessive behaviors during the world chess championship against Spassky, such as insisting film cameras were removed, turning up late, and forfeiting game two.
At the start of the interview, Fischer exhibits body language of someone who is exceedingly intellectual -- the postures he took were as if he were at that moment contemplating over the chessboard (0:39, 0:49, 1:05).
@@electronwave4551 I think you were correct in saying Fischer was nervous at the start, but Carson was masterful in putting him at ease as the interview progressed
@@Nvwheeler I agree; Carson did a great interview. Bobby was always looking for acceptance.
Great interview. Seeing Fischer's puzzle solving in real time is incredible!
11/8/72...re watching this at times over the years I'm always amazed at the ease and calm demeanor of Bobby, in the presence of Carson...then to top it off as a side note, he's the best 15 puzzle player...do they actually have championships for the puzzle game??...been doing some reading that if the pieces are arranged a certain way it's IMPOSSIBLE to solve..all right this is a rabbit hole I do not need to go into!!!