Anatheism: Rediscovering God in a Secular Age
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- March 20th, 2024
St. James's Church, London
In this talk, Rupert Sheldrake explores the theme of finding God again, in an increasingly secular society. Drawing from personal experiences in India and his journey through various spiritual traditions, Rupert provides insights into anatheism, or returning to God, and how this process is unfolding in a post-Christian world. He touches on the connections between science and spirituality, the value of pilgrimage and sacred places, and the emerging concept of panpsychism, which considers consciousness as a fundamental quality in nature. An engaging Q&A session with the audience dives deeper into perennial philosophy, the role of feminine energy in Christianity, and the impact of psychedelics on spiritual practices.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction and Rupert Sheldrake's Early Life
00:00:28 - Anatheism and Rediscovering God
00:01:38 - Secular Society and Belief Systems
00:02:29 - Diverse Spiritual Traditions and Modern Challenges
00:04:12 - Sheldrake's Childhood, Boarding School, and Methodism
00:08:14 - Transition to Atheism and Science Education
00:12:59 - Morphic Resonance and Intellectual Crisis
00:15:24 - Scholarship at Harvard and Intellectual Shift
00:16:20 - Thomas Kuhn and Scientific Paradigms
00:20:15 - Epiphany Philosophers and New Directions
00:24:08 - Discovering Morphic Resonance and New Research Paths
00:26:01 - Time in India and Influence on Research
00:32:10 - Work in Plant Development and Spiritual Awakening
00:34:09 - Immersed in Indian and Tibetan Traditions
00:38:17 - Spiritual Advice from a Hindu Guru
00:41:25 - Father Bede Griffiths and Catholic Mysticism
00:46:12 - The Trinity and Sacred Mysticism
00:48:35 - Logos and Holy Spirit
00:52:07 - Panpsychism and Cosmic Mind
00:57:06 - Scientific Research and Spiritual Practices
01:00:07 - Revival of Pilgrimage and Urban Spiritual Centers
01:03:40 - Audience Question 1: Perennial Philosophy and Interfaith Dialog
01:07:51 - Audience Question 2: Role of Feminine Energy in Christianity
01:12:25 - Audience Question 3: Philosophy, Technology, and Connection with the Divine
01:19:20 - Audience Question 4: Encounters with Krishnamurti and David Bohm
Alternatives is a UK-based organization offering spiritual and personal growth events. For over 30 years they've hosted talks, workshops, and resources focused on spirituality, well-being, and conscious business at St James' Church in Piccadilly.
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Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.
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Hi visitor, I agree. He's one of a kind. Very wise!
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Ha Ha--that's great!
I hear our Guardian Angelic Minds like our movies as well
❤ Rupert’s soft unassuming delivery coupled with deep logic is the best of all possible worlds. What a perfect spectrum of cool. People like him make the best friends - for me anyway.
What a gem of a human being! If people like Rupert were running the world, there would be hope for the future!
What a delightful, soft-spoken, gentle and wise man we have in Rupert Sheldrake. I must definitely read more of his books.
Very enjoyable and stimulating talk and I must say that listening to Rupert is an aesthetic experience for me as well... his voice, humility, gentleness and humor. So glad I watched this.
Fantastic lecture! I've felt a strong animosity towards the militant atheism and mechanical materialism of the scientific community for the better part of my life. When I hear someone like you speak with such depth and eloquence about the beautiful mysteries of life, with such respect for organisms and the mystery traditions of the world, it really makes me wish this was the majority paradigm we inhabited. God Bless you!
You should never be angry with someone who doesn't share your beliefs. That is ignorant.
@@TonyVega123 I think there's a difference between anger at a person, and anger at an ideology/perspective that has come to grip a person. Scientific-materialism has done a lot of harm to our societies; and personally I think that's an understandable sentiment.
Whatever God is, I do not think we can comprehend him with our rational mind, which acts like a knife dividing or categorizing. So God, to us, is irrational and that may seem unjust.
Scientists who are atheists and materialists must have ignored or dismissed Alfred North Whitehead. If they think they are smarter than he was or have deeper understanding they are deluded
30 min in, what an incredible talk, man, humor, enlightenment, storytelling half hour, so far. A joy with coffee in hand, tree through window in vision, on a lazy free, Sat morn.....a blessing, a blessing. Back to it I go.
Marvellous human Being, I've followed him for almost 40!years, a kind teacher.its wonderful to grow old as he grows older.
I love the idea of the moon reflected in buckets of water set differently. Each bucket reflects one moon. We are all reflections of consciousness. What a beautiful and gentle bucket of consciousness Rupert is.
consciousness/Consciousness:
“that which knows”, or “the state of being aware”, from the Latin prefix “con” (with), the stem “scire” (to know) and the suffix “osus” (characterized by). To put it succinctly, consciousness is the SUBJECTIVE component in any subject-object relational dynamic. The concept of consciousness is best understood in comparison with the notion of sentience. Cf. “sentience”.
As far as biologists can ascertain, the simplest organisms (single-celled microbes) possess an exceedingly-primitive form of sentience, since their life-cycle revolves around adjusting to their environment, metabolizing, and reproducing via binary fission, all of which indicates a sensory perception of their environment (e.g. temperature, acidity, energy sources and the presence of oxygen, nitrogen, minerals, and water). More complex organisms, such as plants, have acquired a far greater degree of sentience, since they can react to the light of the sun, to insects crawling on their leaves (in the case of carnivorous plants), excrete certain chemicals and/or emit ultrasonic waves when being cut. At this point it is imperative to consult the entry “sentience” in the Glossary of this Holy Scripture.
According to this premise, the simplest forms of animal life possess sentience, but no noticeable semblance of true consciousness. As a general rule, those animals that have at least three or four senses, combined with a simple brain, possess a mind but lack an intellect. Higher animals (notably mammals) have varying levels of intelligence but only humans have a false-ego (sense of self). Thus, human consciousness is constituted of the three components: the mind, the intellect, and the pseudo-ego (refer to Ch. 05).
There is a rather strong correlation between brain complexity and level of consciousness, explaining why humans alone are capable of self-awareness. In this case, “self-awareness” is not to be confused with “self-recognition”, which is a related but quite distinct phenomenon, found also in several species of non-human animals, in which an animal is able to recognize itself in a mirror or some other reflective surface. “Self-awareness” refers to the experience where a human over the age of approximately three years, is conscious of the fact that he or she knows (that is, aware) that he or she is aware. Obviously, in the case of a child, he or she may need to be prompted in order to first be acquainted with this understanding. For example an adult could ask the child:
“Do you know that you have a toy car?” “Yes!” “And do you KNOW that you know you have a toy car?” “Umm...I think so...yes!”.
In contemporary spiritual circles (as well as in several places within this book), the capitalized form of the word usually, if not always, refers to Universal Consciousness, that is, an Awareness of awareness (otherwise known as The Ground of All Being, et altri).
This idea is very like the physicist/philosopher Bernardo Kastrup's view of individual consciousness as sets of whirlpools in a common river. Not surprisingly, perhaps, I have found out that Kastrup is a great admirer of Sheldrake!
Always such a fascinating man! Love this, I could listen to Rupert for hours ❤
After an apostasy of forty years, I find myself joyfully responding to the call back to my native faith, which is now stronger and more substantial than ever. There's nothing like a good sojourn in the wilderness to help you complete your circle.
May I ask what your story is?
I too would like to hear your story please
An intellectual powerhouse with spiritual depth - that's Rupert Sheldrake - a wonderful man to behold! 🙏
I feel there is always so much to learn from Rupert. I intended to listen to some of this and go to bed...and I stayed, rivetted, for the whole hour and a half!
how softly the truth is spoken....
God! I finally understand what you have been saying all these years! I wish everyone could see. It's so beautiful!
Maravillosa!! Sus recuerdos tienen un gran valor histórico y teórico para comprender las limitaciones de la epistemología o filosofía de la ciencia del siglo 20. Una verdadera joya. 🙂🙂👍👍👌👌🤗🤗👏👏👏
Brilliant! You are a gift to this world. Thank you.
A brilliant and lovely man. I met him once at a talk in Birmingham - a talk he was giving at "Sceptics in the pub'.
i have experienced anatheism in my life: i was born christian, then became atheist during my high school years as i started questioning things, then in my thirties i realized that questioning current religions makes sense, however, given the incredibleness and quantum mysteries of this universe and of life on earth, i concluded that my bet is that there is some superior or divine entity behind this universe, and that's my current position. so i guess you could call me a agnostic theist.
Have you had spiritual experiences before?
God bless you Mr. Sheldrake!
I look forward to more of your work and ideas. May God keep you safe and well!
Are you a THEIST? 🤔
If so, what are the reasons for your BELIEF in God? 🤓
A mass convergence of Sufism and Kabbalah would solve many of the issues in the Middle East.
I agree!!
@@andreiadetavora8471 super!
thanks for all of your talks
By god I love this man.
I love he speatches , the way he is thinking .my respect dear mr.Sheldrake.How fortunate we are to hear you.
I need this. Thank you. Sir.
Been touching in with him periodically for about the last 45 years. It's been interesting watching his thought develop.
Really needed to see this video now. Gotta Love serendipity.
I've been listening to Sheldrake since about 2015. I learned about him when studying Robert Lansa's work on his Biocentric theory.
Same! Great book 👍
Love hearing Ruperts journney and discoveries.
Superb Rupert! We, humanity, owes you a debt of gratitude in so many ways. Yet above must surely be your adventure in return, a pathfinder, Anatheism , and genuinely creative scientific innovation. Gracias!
Extraordinary man.
Fantastic lecture 😁
Thank you, and thank you for your response about my discoveries from your office. I've added more info to my platform. The 12 is a mindblowing periodic table of ancient times. Implications are profound. It's about What is God? As told by the Bible's original ideators.
Makes me rethink and better embrace my Anglo-Catholic faith and heritage.
How beautiful! Thank you for sharing. ❤
Thank you
at 104:44 "people believe in God because of their mystical experiences" is just plain wrong, because experience gives you KNOWLEDGE, not belief. This whole talk never once mentions Australian Aborigines, who basically lived in the "Garden of Eden" for perhaps 200,000 years, and were in direct connection through actual experiences to the Universal consciousness which they called "The Dreaming". People today play with religions which cannot connect to that because they are only beliefs. If they increase your lifespan, well so does positive thinking or believing in Santa Claus. Everything in the Universe is connected to everything else EXCEPT US, and Religions keep us there. And the real Aboriginal Elders won't usually tell you this coz you're not ready, they say of us "Little brother has lost the Dreaming". SO TRUE!
the darker it gets the more we need to become light
At a young age we decide we are an entity, with a name and a troublesome body. When thoughts appear in perception we 'own them' as if belonging to this entity. So the mind is reaction...always drifting and reacting. Which is why our lives feel second hand...not fresh and joyful and appearing from life itself.
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I'm too stubborn to actually take in what you said
@@fleskenialation Actually saying this means you let go.
@@user-nb4ex5zk3w are we suppose to let go? Is individuation not a product of maturing?
@@fleskenialation Yes let go. Your thoughts are simply reactions to what is already happening without your consent. You do nothing. My dog thinks it takes me for walks, that it guides me with a lead attached to me.
Rupert is one of the reasons I decided to study integrative medicine at Quantum University (IQUIM).
Wow that’s fascinating! Is your goal to work with people/patiets?
*patients
What a nice talk! I love the discussion of universal spirituality, although i never understood why people think Christianity is on the same level as other mystic traditions
Some truly great mystics were Christian
@@lynnhall9957 no doubt! Although I have to imagine that their practice was something completely different from the cheap cults we have in the US.
Love you Rupert! 🌚☄️❤️💫
Longtime fan of Rupert. What a fantastic contribution he’s made
Rupert's lectures are so inspiring
You sir.. are a role model I wish I was aware enough to have at an earlier age -thank you for your insight and efforts 🖤🙏🏽
Love you Rupert. Thank you for your contribution to humanity
Nothing happens by chance, Only by Fathers will. Father is with Rupert tis clear as day.
I like Rupert.
Hardly a hesitation...thank you Rupert.
I love you Rupert. //OM NAMAH SHIVAYA//
What an inspiring talk. I hope there will be more since we need this so desperately.
This is how you feed your soul.
Magnificent lecture!
regarding "sat cit ananda", I would like to add that "sat" also means "goodness" or "a good man, an honest man", so this fundamental principle is also considered the source of good.
You also find these two qualities (being and goodness) in the word "sattva", (one of the 3 guna)
A truly brilliant talk!
I loved this so much!!! ❤❤❤
Eno and Sheldrake!!! Together!
give me ananatheism every time.
Thanks for that TED talk, "all you need is one miracle." I used that in my communications too.
Brilliant. The contingency (Meillassoux'), which is a pinnacle of thought, Benben - can be explained by consciousness
The mystical element of the God experience is Gnosis, in the recent past, the Gnostics who were persecuted as heretics have been vindicated especially in the area of thanatology where they taught that when we die we are resurrected immediately. The Church fathers taught the resurrection was physical even the day after the eschaton when an Angel would blow a trumpet and people would rise from their graves. As a modern Gnostic, I am intrigued at what is happening in the world today as the old order is beginning to break down before our eyes and the archons have no choice but to reveal the truth, these are apocalyptic times and a trifurcation is happening.
Well done Rupert❤️🔥👌✌️🙏☮️🪡✨️♾️
In the methodism I grew up in this is called a testimony. An unusual testimony to be sure, at least for those circles, but what a marvellous one, and beautifully delivered. A more traditional Christian theology would be struck and a bit saddened by Sheldrake’s brief take on Jesus Christ. It would be marvellous if he would take a larger step in the direction of the Incarnation of God in Jesus Christ. I think Dr. Sheldrake would find another soulmate in the work of the late Anglican theologian Thomas F. Torrance (see his book of lectures entitled “Incarnation”). Torrance was a great student of St. Athanasius of Alexandria. Torrance also had much experience in the east, especially China. And, he is highly respected in the Eastern Orthodox world for his bridge building with the Catholic/Anglican world.
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I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological .
My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs used to approximately describe underlying physical processes, and that these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities. Consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property.
Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract and subjective cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept.
Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness.
(With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams).
From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience.
Some clarifications.
The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality.
Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property.
Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience.
My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that such scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness.
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Science has paved the way for the secular. Con-science unpaves the way to God.
I'm favoured, $130K every 4weeks! I can now afford anything and also support God's work and the church.😊
I'm so happy for you dear, please can you elaborate more about this I'm having a lot of family crisis lately. I definitely believe you're God sent
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place
Thank God for Bringing Mrs Maria Angelina Alexander , I'm happy for God's grace have found me, Mrs Maria Angelina Alexander is lord sent!!!
A lot of people keep talking about investments and how investment trade change their lives. I really need to engage myself in someway of earning more income and stop depending on the government
The miracle of God is flowing Wow I'm just shocked you mentioned Maria, thought I'm the only one trading with her. She's a perfect teacher
It's useful to think of it as a secular Jewish society. CZcams being one example
Read: Dr. p. Tzamalikos 🎉
He's undoubtably a remarkable mind/thinker, courageous too! I've noted that he seems to avoid the topic of near death experience for some reason I've never heard him articulate. Is it that he thinks substance dualism (what NDE's point to) can't be correct or has he not delved into them enough. Leaving aside the cult that has developed around NDE's (the inevitable psychobabble ) the ordinary experiences (ordinary as in authentic/honest) of cardiac arrest patients who are resuscitated and survive to talk about it, are really fascinating. I do wonder why these are always excluded from Rupert's lectures. I see no good reason why they should be, as they are in fact as close as one can literally get to the unknowable divine, whatever that is,
Beautiful ending after around 1:01:00
Not try to create a fluff up but there is a multipart youtube series "Alec Ryrie's Gresham Lectures". The first of which is titled 'How to be an Atheist in Medieval Europe'. There is history that in my mind likely existed but older than I imagined.
Morphic Resonance 💜
Morphic Resonance was mentioned as fact on joe Rogans latest podcast with Terrance Howard
He moved on the universe with a breath....our words mean something....what are we putting forth as energy into our world: WAR....heartbreaking once we understand this.
God Has called me to Himself without any religion. This won’t be understood by most but it’s the Truth, nevertheless. I love Him and He loves me. I am trying to shine for others, so they can come to Him as well. The Truth is that only His True children will respond to His calling. So, please try to call out for God, dear people. You might gain His Peace.
My first hit of acid - 1970. I did acid before Rupert did! Time, apparently, is an illusion so no acid prizes.
Me too. No prizes.
Why didn't someone provide Dr. Sheldrake wirh a seat!?
The Hindu priest that sent you back to the path of Christianity was an enlightened being in the true sense ….
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All right there in the first 18 verses of The Gospel of John. The Logos/Word is a consciousness -- and like Rudolf Steiner and Owen Barfield both agreed human consciousness has evolved and is still evolving. Moses gave us the law --- Grace and Truth come through Jesus Christ ---------this is that evolution. We go from Old Testament -'Thou shall not kill' (Exodus)-- to 'Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:43-44). That is an evolution of human consciousness. You have to see what humanity's purpose on this earth is --- LOVE. Jesus came as a revealer -
If the sun is conscious,then the universe is probably conscious,and yes cucumber is also conscious.
this is what its all about. the one n the only religion in the world that can bend n flex with any new idea about it. and why they do not like others that will not allow any of it all.
If there is an extreme diversification in the God belief, and our political and moral beliefs, how shall it be beneficial ? Wel then we simply have more choice ,but where is the consensus .
I have a real soft spot for Rupert. I'm not sure if he enjoys being a contrarian, but his takes on science have certainly irritated mainstream scientists, and his quirky take on Christianity is bound to piss off mainstream Christians. Forever destined to follow his own idiosyncratic path.
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First up!! We need to acknowledge that the "God" of the Old Testament is NOT the Creator of All!! Check out Hebrew Scholar, Mauro Biglino's book, "Gods of The Bible". Anglican Priest, Paul A. Wallis has done some excellent work in this area, as well. Check out his book, "The Eden Conspiracy"!!
I do not believe in God.
And have no religion.
I know God.
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I love you, Rupert, my brother
I don't need to believe,i KNOW....
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Sounds more like U.G Krishnamurti being described.
sounds idyllic childhood reminiscent of Adam Bede, contrasted with dreadful treatment of animals and plants as unfeeling machines
God(s) exist in the human brain, and nowhere else, as far as we know.
Dear Mister Sheldrake: "Telepathy" (words) is inaccurate. Telempathy is the word. It implies transmission and reception of images, feelings and emotions. I have communicated with thousands of plants, animals, and people and believe me, you don't hear words, you feel the vibe. Simple and expressive words, of course, wash in on the telempathic stream - words like "pain, please, love" - you get the idea. Still the transmissions are more of a feeling mode, very "primitive", like when humans and animals play.
Say you ask someone what is their name, and they say ,I am who I am . Wel he simply did not answer the question then, or he could have said ,I don't have a name. I am who I am means nothing. Perhaps Its a God of nothing that is now being used for everything.
Rupert is the only guy I can tell my experiences to, apparently, and he is NOT IN L.A.? Mister Sheldrake, Dude. L.A. is UAP Central, it's a local joke between myself and E.T., nobody, I mean nobody but a couple of street people EVER look up. Humans...wtheck? Do I have stories. Ask me about the Magical Deer at the Hollywood Reservoir, I have a polaroid.
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