Emo Will Ruin Your Life.
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- I react to NeoPunkFM's video about skramz, "Something Is Happening To Emo."
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I've said it a million times - there's a fine line between using art as therapy and wallowing in misery. The reason I stopped writing music when I was like 19 or 20 was because I realized I was falling into the latter category. Letting your trauma or your mental illness define you is not a healthy way to live.
I hate to agree with this, but I sadly have to... Mental illness SUCKS
As a folk punk musician i did the same. It went from writing songs about my experiences to writing songs glamorizing homelessnes and heroin usage.
Thats the main reason why i quit writing/performing music after i got clean
Benjami Todd a modern folk country artists talks about this all the time.
People romanticise things like depression when it actually totally destroys artistic creativity and motivation. Same with drugs and alcohol.
you shouldn't need to completely stop writing music though? if you can do it healthily its a very positive thing. correct me if im wrong
It's kind off similar to trauma/grief support groups. In the beginning it helps people to talk to others who have gone through the same thing. But after a while you see that it actually starts to hold them back in their grieving/healing process. They start to get stuck in their grief or anger and they amplify each others anger and grief. At some point you have to move on and not let your grief or trauma define you.
Yes, great comparison!
mike ehrmantraut moment
This is how I felt about AA. I see people sober 20 years terrified they will be drunk within 24 hours if they miss a day.
Kind of like how most people in most hobbies that revolves around consume a certain type media whether that may be video games, movies, music, TV shows, comic books, etc; have this very personal attachment of the things that they consume and how they always stick within their own groups and vilify people that don't hold the status quo or have a disagreement
@HappinessDIY AA is no different than joining a Cult.
The controversy surrounding AA is pretty eye opening and this day and age it's Outdated
As an elder emo myself that was a great take. This stuff helped me so much as teen, growing up, I'm grateful to have had a space for all of those feeling. But being stuck on it for too long is a huge red flag. It is not lame to be happy and hopeful.
Emo was a phase, a fashion statement. Some thing used to hook up with chicks. And it had bad ass music to chill to.
You weren't suppose to hang on to it 😆
Agreed. That’s why I listen to pop punk now 😂
Facts so true
Tbh I think you're speaking to an issue with the 2020s in general.
We've gone from 'destigmatise mental health to help' to 'enable and affirm peoples mental illnesses'.
Yep agreed
Yes. Add the growing amount of hyperbole as well and it’s a worrying trend. The amount of young people describing themselves as ‘suicidal’ when they mean ‘distressed’ has gone off the charts last couple of years.
Yes! 100% this.
Emo Industrial Complex is going to my band's name.
Best Music Video ✅
Very understandable ✅
Very epic music ✅
No bad words ✅
No inappropriate images ✅
Yep, I feel the same with DSBM. I like the music a lot, but I understand how emotionally damaged some of these musicians are/were when they created this stuff that I wish they are in a letter place mentally now.
At first i read BDSM and wondered how its connected to the video. 😂
It's a double edged sword - anger, sadness and anxiety get a bad rep but they're also normal emotions that everyone experiences on some level. Personally I think listening to music rooted in these emotions can help you learn how to navigate them, which is important because burying them or pretending they don't exist isn't healthy either. But at the same time, I had to live through some pretty heavy stuff over the past couple of years and I can attest that dwelling in those experiences doesn't let you heal and move on. So I think it's good to listen to emo, hardcore, grunge, black metal, and all those "negative" genres, especially when you're younger and probably learning how to navigate these tricky emotions in real life situations for the first time, but definitely do balance it out with EDM or reggae or Taylor Swift or whatever relaxes you too.
"Emo" felt like cultural appropriation for me. ..all those kids with actual friends wearing what I wore/wear yet having fun and still excluding me...and me still being actually sad and watching popular culture warp the stereotype....gosh!
Yeah, a few years before emo was a thing, I was getting into hardcore, crust punk and various metals because I had luckily been invited to local shows in our small town. Felt like the group of friends I never had. The music and memories are a pinnacle of my life. Wish they still had those around here. Absolutely hated emo. Felt like it warped a lot of the music culture.
I agree that listening only to darker types of music will be bad for some peoples mental health. That is why it is important to have a diverse range of music. I left home at 18 to live with some crust punks all the while wearing a combination of crust punk and kawai type fashion, reading manga, watching anime, playing video games and discovering happy hardcore and 8bit music. Gotta balance your genres. Its possible.
Thanks for reading my TED talk...
Anyone else a fan of The Blood Brothers? '...Burn, Piano Island, Burn' blew my mind back in the day.
Gotta love kids realizing their culture is being commodified. That's just the way of things, always has been.
Lol @aofmual loL
"stuff i learned about looking at Instagram on my iphone is being commodified, how can that be????"
Oh gen X, if only you knew what was happening to gen z 😆.
important work warning the youth of the dangers of total immersion within a music scene. they need to hear that if they continue to live their pop punk lifestyles they're going to spend the rest of their lives explaining why they aren't allowed within 1,000 feet of a school
Can someone explain this joke to me? I've heard it before, but I'd like some added context.
@@errixevery band at warped tour touched young kids
I’ve seen toxic subcultures vaguely tied into mental illness and mental illness glorifying end in a few ways. Note the END part of that sentence. I’m only 34, but my older sister and her friends played out virtually the same way. Some OD’d or unalived in their teens-twenties. Some are still addicted to hard drugs in and out of jails in Portland because they all moved to Oregon for some reason. Some creeped on younger women because they’re mentally stunted. Some became dead beat parents who’s refusal to grow up lead to severe consequences for their kids later on. Some were just normies who dabbled in some toxic sht and grew up. Some are still fighting to turn their lives around and function with severe mental illnesses and addictive tendencies like myself. Not to say the music inherently caused all of this… but Finn is right with his a certain type of person is attracted to this stuff hypothesis
I see it as toxic attachment. It's that moment where you no longer see the music as music, you see it as 'this is me'. From that, you indulge in the comforts of self-pity and inactivity (accompanied by alcohol, drugs etc.) and surround yourself with people who enable and encourage your toxicity. Then it becomes a cycle of depression and self-destruction. I was lucky to get out of that way of thinking and those environments. It's sad when you think some people stay that way forever...
Music can be incredibly therapeutic, and there have been many genres where artists have sought to express their personal struggles through music. Oftentimes, this has touched fans who have struggled with similar feelings or issues, and it can be therapeutic for artists and fans alike. The problem is when it becomes self-fulfilling. Some people tie themselves so deeply to a specific subculture it becomes their identity. If negative thoughts or ideas are key to that subculture, people won't change for fear of no longer feeling a part of the subculture they tied themselves to. That doesn't mean that subculture is necessarily bad, just that some of the people within it have put themselves in too much of a bubble to ever change for the better.
I think this kind of stuff is fine as long as you realize that these song lyrics are emotions that people felt in singular moments and you don’t let yourself get caught up in that. Ive really enjoyed Midwest emo/skramz since I found it in early high school, but over time I’ve definitely grown to appreciate different aspects of it as I’ve matured
Yes this, it's a three minute snapshot into what could have been a 3 minute fleeting feeling.
I noticed this in my own songs, when people would be asking if I'm ok, do I need help? Lol.
I'm like, dude I don't feel like that 24/7
Finn getting real with us & I love it. Love when I leave a video with a new way of thinking about something I may or may not have listened to/watched previously. More think 🤔 pieces like this are definitely good for the culture(s) discussed as a whole. Always good to have a perspective you might not have thought of previously.
I always hated elmo
I regret befriending the emos in hs instead of bullying them.
I just couldn't get a long with the emo kids.
I always thought Elmo was the most overrated muppet on Sesame Street and I say that as someone who likes Elmo
I grew up with anger problems because of Elmo constantly in my fuckin face asking what the gotdamn letter of the day was. Bitch, I don’t fuckin know. How am I suppose to figure out the right one out of 26 choices (27 if Spanish)????
Elmo can get bent
really appreciated ur insight on “will this still be good for me years down the line?” point. i feel like that also speaks to the importance of allowing bands to explore different directions rather than trying to pigeon hole them into doing the same thing over and over. the bands that stick with you are the ones that will grow and heal with you and same advice goes for the people you keep in your life.
Amen!! So, so true.
You should do a full video about metal and psychology/personality. I think it's a important subject.
For example I see a lot of "metal dads" bragging about how proud they are because their kids are also into . As someone that grew up with nu-metal (which kinda normalised self harm and encouraged to be the weird kid that gets bullied) and moved on to metalcore/deathcore (which really glamorise suicide and depression) I really hope my kids grow up as happy people that don't have to find solace in metal music.
I feel like nu metal is more empowerment. Not gonna dispute your metalcore take
@@ItbecauseI agree. Nu-metal felt like it was a supportive community where whatever you were dealing with was okay to feel bad about, but not in a rolling-around-in-the-misery way.
I never was really into it myself, I was - and am, at ~40 😅 - a punk, but I come from a small town, so we kind of smashed together -:)
I think a lot of metal types seem to want to be respected for how 'heavy' they think the music they listen to is when to most people it just sounds overproduced, repetitive, too low tuned so you cant hear most of the frequencies with teenage embsrassing lyrics about dragons and sht. punk was always heavier to me
@@Ukraineaissance2014 dragons? This only seems to cater to one subgenre
@@Ukraineaissance2014 That's some weird conflation between Death and Power Metal if there's one lol
You’re very right about this. I spent the last several years depressed and listening to depressing shit and wondering why I felt like shit. There’s bands that I love that I am no longer allowed to listen to and it greatly improved my mental state. I wake up every morning now listen to Perseverance by Hatebreed while I run and lift and that’s how I start everyday. It’s made a ton of improvement. You put trash in you get trash out.
Fuck yeah dude I did the same kinda stopped listening to melancholic butt rock and pop metal bands and started listening to HATEBREED
Now Im into Noise music and Grindcore lol
I think the point you’re making is actually really honest and sweet. Can tell it comes from a place of concern and compassion
I got bullied at school and called emo purely because I liked to wear long hair, didn't even listened emo music and wore emo merch. So emo indirectly ruined my life and even to this day emo music gets me triggered in a wrong way
You probably shouldve just went full emo
@@djtoxxikk even when I was little I considered subcultures as cringe.
@@djtoxxikkbro.. you NEVER go full emo 😟
grove street emo
Me on the other hand today listening to heavy metal songs and get normies calling me emo 😎🤙
I get where you're coming from but it is a bit alarmist when we realize a handful of those people grow up fucked up, as they do from every scene, and the rest of us are normal members of society, myself included. I was in a "scramz" band in the early 00's and our whole band turned out fine. The people I still know from that scene are perfectly fine. I still listen to the music and look back fondly on those days. I did go through a lot of childhood trauma, but I also worked through that in a healthy way, part of that healing was a cathartic release of emotions through music. Once again, I respect where you're coming from but I think it's a bit too alarmist.
I totally understand this viewpoint. I will say though, the new Jerome’s Dream record is excellent. It’s not purely mopey: I believe there’s a ton of depth in it. There’s a power in it that still blows me away.
I love you bro!! Your boomer rant comes from a good place. Some things need to be heard, no matter how unpleasant it is. I used to be into 2nd wave black metal and depressive black metal(i.e. Silencer) when my mom died. One of the best things I did was stop listening to toxic music. It just feeds that beast!!!
emo industrial complex
now THAT’S a genre I want to hear
This video went deep, Finn went full emo historian on us 🧐
I started listening to Cannibal Corpse at 11, because it was hilarious and brutal. Now, I’m a full-blown death/black metalhead, and the community is full of people like me who never let that inner child die. To me, it isn’t steeping yourself in negative emotion. It’s listening to a story and admiring a work of art. Even if the atmosphere of a song is relatably depressing, the fact that somebody’s musical ability and lyrics can influence the way I feel in the moment is beautiful.
I think both things are totally possible. You can't say all people in one scene are like this or that even if you find patterns.
I got into Cannibal Corpse and heavy music in my teens because it was an escape from negative emotions, made me feel strong and helped me push forward. It's still the same way for me as an adult, and I don't think it's bad that it helps me, but it definitely came about through my own issues.
I listen to cannibal corpse cause it sounds awesome. Makes me feel happy. I do t pay attention ton to lyrics though. It's all about the actual music. The instruments. How can you not feel happy listening to this stuff? Pure joy for me.
A lot of death metal can be fun in a music sense, while these examples are hurtful
@@lebarak69 I blast suicidal depressive black metal on the way to work, and it makes me feel like a powerful Lich on his way to the necropolis to feast on the souls of my fallen enemies!
Finn is speaking the truth yet again. Back in the early 90's when we was all bands like Pantera, CrowBar and Skynyrd "especially Pantera" turned a lot of us into alcoholics. I sat and watched helplessly as all 3 of my best friends drank themselves to death and not a damned one of them lived to be 40. You younger guy's are probably thinking we are a bunch of old middle aged old fools but man we've been there and we've seen this crap first hand, and you don't wanna end up like that👌
Exactly
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I don't know if we should laugh or cry😮💨
Same with my crew. Pantera pretty much turned half my high school into alcoholics. Luckily most survived but our time sure could have been spent better.
@@bodomnight13 indeed it could have Anon😮💨
This is an important video… I’ve grown to feel the same way about some of the music I’ve liked over the years… where I’ve not always broken negative thought patterns, the wallowing in self-pity, just not getting to a good place fast enough…
I had to get away from it all… both physically, and even in something as (seemingly) trivial as music selection.
You are like the older brother many scene people would have needed a long time ago.
One part of me likes these guys. The other part of me recognizes them as “giving off boomer energy from a gen z point of view”. It’s weird.
Agreed it's strange to see tbh
Like anything in life, too much of something can be bad. It's all about balance.
You meet a lot of these bands in person and youre like ‘oh they werent lying in the lyrics’ cuz yea we legitimately suffer.
As an “elder emo” I agree with this so much. I’ve seen what has happened to other kids I went to high school with who never seemed to grow out of a certain mindset and where they are now. I still listen to it mainly in the gym or when on road trips but as I got older I realized I couldn’t stay in that sort of head space if I wanted to make a meaningful life for myself. I appreciate this take.
This was fantastic! It always makes me think we are long overdue for a posi-core revival.
I think now is an especially important time to talk about this. The glorification of mental illness and being generally fucked up is more prevalent than ever (especially in the newer generation). Embodying and displaying mental illness is practically used as a way to chase clout, gain approval, and it's competetive (if that makes sense).
I still listen to a lot of the emo, metal, etc that helped me through the fucked up times of my life, but my attachment and association with the music has changed. Like you said, I don't think it's healthy to cling to it and stay in that mindset/energy in your adulthood.
Excellent points. I definitely agree with you. It's wonderful that people are more confortable talking about mental illness BUT we also need to actually encourage people to get better, not just wallow in misery bc suddenly that's "cool."
Most of the emo kids got into K-pop, got into the post-punk revival or became hippies. I saw this kid in my area who was an emo at thirteen, was also into the post punk revival too (he straddled the line between the two), then became a hippie ten years later. He now looks like he stepped out of 1967, lives in a commune in Cornwall and gives courses on shamanism (from a historical and anthropological perspective), crystal healing, magick, meditation and is also a really good short story writer. He’s now a practicing pagan, but was a rationalist as an emo.
I used to see him at Angular Records club nights, which was post punk, along with Toy Pirate nights. He loved The Violets, Long Blondes and Neil’s Children, we’d even discuss his favourite emo too over drinks. Now he’s into blues, folk, psychedelic rock, funk and soul, acid rock, psychedelic trance, seventies progressive rock, Shoegaze, world music, New Age music, krautrock, classical and avant garde jazz. He plays in a folk band with other emo or scene kids turned hippies. Funnily enough, all the hippies he knows were former hardcore, emo or scene kids.
i went down the rabbit hole of every "experimental" underground artist like i was searching for the holy grail in my 20s lmao then finally a few years ago, at 27, it clicked that it was meaningless and i also started to avoid music that makes me depressed. Going down that rabbit hole and consuming this extreme depressing music was like catharsis from my addictions and trauma, and yeah the dopamine aspect too. Shoegaze, scramz, black metal, cloud rap especially are music that has that ethereal atmosphere quality like psychedelic music but even more so feeds the dopamine
Part of me wants to tell you that youre worrying too much, the other part sees your point.
As a real fan of emo and metal music in general, it’s hard for me to admit this fact. And this is perhaps the most painful and unpleasant video that Finn has released on his channel, but it is real and everything that is described here is true. Malice and anger.
The Mohinder 7” was printed on random magazine pages cut to size and stamped. Also Swing Kings were amazing back then too. You & I from NJ were also great. Frail who merged with Crud is a Cult to become Ink & Dagger
I feel like I've lost so many years getting into emo and following the cultural rabbit hole. I fall into the same trap of drugs, alcohol, fighting, overall toxic habits that I don't consciously want to do. It's cathartic to me now whether I like it or not.
I think every emo, former or not, should watch this video
I gotta say you are pretty right about how some scenes can become like a plague, especially midwest emo, which seems to just keep attracting “my life went to shit but it’s fine because I got weed and shrooms” type of people
God damn Finn. Thank you for this, truly introspective.
Thanks Finn! Always love your insight. You've helped more than you know.
Good points, Finn. I went through multiple music phases myself, although I never fully immersed into any of them. In most of my 20s it tended towards some darker and sadder music. I think subconsciously, it reflected my own feelings of failure and disappointment with my own life at the time, and nourished some of those negative emotions. Now, in my low 30s, my overall taste is a blend of most of my previous phases, and has much more balance between happy, sad, and angry. I think it reflects a much more balanced version of myself, since I actually have some successes now in my life.
The truth that Big Emo doesn’t want you to know…
i'm so confused on this argument. "don't listen to it because it's not good for you?" so then.. why are we still listening to heavy music today? big lmao
Exactly my point
Sorry for this kind of long comment but I felt i had to share this lol 😅
This is one of those videos I am hella grateful that you’ve made and shared with us. It struck a chord with me because what you’ve said is true.
Back in 2022 I was getting through a really bad break up and around that time was when I got super into Midwest emo. For a while it felt good and cathartic being able to feel the sorrow I was feeling at the time and just letting it out so to speak. However…at a certain point I found myself kind of using it as an excuse to drink and get drunk and express the sorrow that way; which lead to a lot of bad nights and bad fights with family and friends and it dawned on me that I was instead putting myself in a deeper hole because what I thought was helping was in fact hurting me. It no longer was me getting over my breakup it became me not accepting the circumstances and living in denial hiding behind a bottle.
Fast forward to now I’m a lot healthier and am taking further steps within my recovery from alcohol still love the genre for what it is and I love playing my favorites on my guitar from time to time. But now it’s like I take precaution listening to it whenever I do because I feel i don’t wanna trick myself into thinking I’m just expressing what I’m feeling when in reality I was just wallowing in my misery. Very great video Finn ✊🏻👍🏻 personally validating to me as well as bringing awareness of a side effect from really dark genres that most people wouldn’t even think of.
I don't even like emo. Not my cup of tea, but you are right in that you are just giving a boomer rant. I was one of the "real punks" that made fun of emos. Now I get that is just dumb snobbery. Taste is subjective. That brings us back to my point. You like what you like for any number of reasons. A genre of music does not make a person's character turn sour if it isn't there to begin with. Sure, a rotten crowd can, but as emo kids grow up and find themselves, any given rotten crowd won't effect them that much. Shit, I'm your age, maybe older, and it's weird hearing someone into punk rock getting into this "oh no I've seen the other side, kids, don't get too far into this genre of music". I like black metal. Ya don't see me murding people. I was about to do the other thing, but escaping an abusive situation fixed that right up. I still like black metal and probably always will to some extent. Emo is similar. It's one of those genres people love ot hate. I get it, but also, you're warning rant, I don't get. Relax about genre. If people in the scene are mean, maybe talk about safety as shows or whatever.
"everybody watch out, what I'm about to say is going to be unpopular"
Proceeds to give measured, insightful commentary
If he said this on tiktok though they would lose their mind. They live for manfuacturing/self diagnosing/glorifying mental illness
the Herion release that came out this year is wild.
I clicked on this video just cause my brains first thought seeing that thumbnail was “whats the matter smoothskin, never seen a ghoul before?”
Great video! I had never even heard of Skramz but in general some of the emo or heavier stuff I used to listen to had me thinking “is this effecting my psyche in a negative way?”
That and sadly at least a few guys from those bands ended up being creeps 😒
I definitely understand your take on things, it's also a headspace thing you can get into. As a musician as well I think the music can have a greater affect on us in the short term per whatever music you're into that month or year that will impact the music you create yourself. HOWEVER... My personal experience with why I got into heavier music, one of my best friends and his cousin were going through rougher times than I was but they loved metalcore, death metal, djent, this was nearing 15 years ago now. And I got into that stuff early through them, as well as playing games like guitar hero I was beginning to get into more early metal and other rock. Grew up in a musical household hearing 80s hair all the time, 90s grunge. There's just so much more to everyone's story. The closest thing to any trauma at least at THAT time was discovering I wasn't religious anymore and that only had any effect 7 years after I was already into metal.
I'm so glad you made this video. It's why I ultimately, despite still being a big fan of metal, have become extremely picky about what type of metal I listen to. A huge reason I love Gojira is because they often have a positive and uplifting message in their music despite keeping a relatively technical and aggressive sound (though they've certainly softened up on that sound a bit over time)
Still love melancholy or sad music from time to time but even sad songs have a distinction between "I am sad and this is a way to feel better" vs "I am sad and will continue to wallow in it". A sign of maturing as an adult is if you listen to some of that stuff from the past and be like "ok I'm 30 now I can't listen to this little bitch whine about his minor problems".
I also think as far as Emo goes, this is why MCR aged so well because they just sound so much more catchy and theatrical in a good way. The Black Parade is a concept album that has some range and thought behind it that goes farther than my bitch mom didn't make me pizza rolls and I'm PISSED about it
It took me awhile to realize this myself. All my favorite songs from childhood to my young adult life are depressing af because they helped me through some sort of trauma. Now that I'm older I find myself getting relapses whenever I listen to my old favorite songs. I'd throw a pity party for myself and sulk until I realize I'm not getting out of this hole of by digging deeper into the wound. It's great to have spaces where you feel like you relate and aren't alone, however I feel like it can hinder your personal healing if you become complacent in those same spaces.
OMG Finn, I lost it when you showed the Frail footage.. Yep, I went to a couple of those as well.. Back then we just thought it was this "new school" of hardcore.. With the big Victory push.. I can't really complain.. this stuff got us out of the post "Youth Crew" slump. Remember, Green Rage? That was like Screamo Earth Crisis basically.
Your evil makes you weak… your evil is my strength!!!
I think there's a somewhat similar thing in sass(core), except that s more guys like me who are very very gay and have experienced homophobia and also don't fit into mainstream pinkwashed idea of what "gay cultur" means because we're all from more working-class or poor backgrounds and hold more lefty politics, so there's some good connection and positive engagement in emancipatory politics, but we've also experienced homelessness and drug problems and some trauma, except the music is obviously more happy and "sexy" and weird than broody (and obviously the soundtrack to a massive nervous breakdown). Sometimes you need to hang out with the hottie who's into Mariah for a more balanced life, and not be so terrified of getting hurt
No matter the genre it seems like capitalism always wins 😮
Depends on how you define ‘capitalism’. And you have to agree with another person’s specific definition of capitalism if you’re ever going to actually discuss it with them.
So how are you defining capitalism here? Be as specific as you can be
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k what I mean is once a genre goes semi or completely mainstream companies (mainly) will do absolutely everything they can to capitalize on the trend to the point it becomes watered down and you have people that don't even listen to said genre wearing merch and rockin the entire esthetic
@@carlzombie6722 Yeah makes sense. That’s just profiting. You just have to pursue the art you like yourself
As long as you live in society you will be in the realm of capitalism because people likes to trade and exchange all kind of things and services. If you don't want to live under a "capitalist regime" go to the mountains, build a cabinet and live there DIY everything and living self-sufficient for the rest of your life.
Im always excited to see a new Finn Mckenty video, keep it up brother 🤘
Does anyone else watch the video and realise how normal you are? Haha.
I fully agree with your final points; I'm sick of many modern scenes treating mental health as an identity, not an actual health condition, and not trying to seek help. To your other point, I had that total realisation a few times since 2019 and recalibrated something you should always think of.
Have to agree I’m near Finns age and grew up listening to a lot of Death Metal, Harcore and then early 2000s emo. Going into my 30s I listened much less and now listen more to upbeat music or just music that has a more positive vibe to it in general
Ha ha, just randomly came across this video! I took have been around this scene for almost 30+. So much wisdom in what you are saying. I remember watching Unbroken, Mean Season, Honeywell, Struggle, Swing Kids, Lifetime, and Still Life to name a few. These bands spoke to me in my youth, but a lot of them have not moved on from that place. It's kind of sad.
Yep, you know what I’m talking about
Thank you for giving us your take and personal experience on this and using your influence for spreading a positive message. If the rest of your audience can’t take both the jokes and the serious conversation objectively, then they need to be more multidimensional. Life is about balance. Thank you for your Ted Talk. 🙏🏻
Skramz went to art school, Screamo dropped out of high school.
*Elder Emo nods head in agreement* The word “skramz” sounds like a shitty chain restaurant’s breakfast scramble.
“Coming to a Perkins near you, Skramz and Weenies!”
As right as you are about this, Finn. I do have to say this isn't just those specific genres. It is a lot of entertainment and fans of these acts. Fans often enable it. Labels often want you in that headspace you create your best work in and sometimes that is them pushing you into your darkest place if they believe you make your best at your darkest place. Your health isn't their concern. They just want the money. I don't blame the music. I blame the culture. I blame the industry. Enjoy the music, enjoy the words, enjoy the themes but encourage them to get to a better place. Encourage people to get the help they need. I will never discount hip-hop because some hip-hop acts "promote" violence or use violent imagery in their art. I only blame the artist, the fans and people around them for actually encouraging and engaging in the actual violent acts themselves and using it as a marketing tool. The blood money aspect of it. The music is still ear catching. The music still speaks to people. Most genres have shitty fans that sadly aren't held accountable. Most these labels get away with their poor treatment of the artist. Artists sometimes turn into monsters too. You just have to really watch out for everyone in this.
19:24 the scene totally encouraged that echo chamber
“I think this is great. I love this” 💀😭💀
I totally agree! you have to grow out of it. It’s ok to be nostalgic for the music but don’t let it bring you down. Don’t stay down! Take his advice. ❤
Frankie Palmeri made a similar point about this. Something about how healthy and well balanced people gravitate towards pop music or rap music and hanging around exclusively with metal heads can have a negative effect on you.
The way these kids strong stare at the camera like they want to kick our ass has me cracking up lmao
Emo was underground for less than 6 mos. It was always corporate tween music that stole all the worst qualities from pop punk/and straight edge tough guy breakdown bullshit which are both the worst sh!te imaginable. Then it stole all the colorful Pop ska checkers and post punk makeup. The band names got longer, and longer. It always sucked. Insufferable is the word. It’s fakeness from something fake
Your Old Uncle Finn reminding everyone hurt people hurt people.
The younger gen remembers seeing the hot emo chick the older generation remembers seeing all the scars on her arms
I’m emo and perfectly happy, I love the clothing style, the music, everything about it just makes me so so happy.
While I'm not a fan of this music, this is probably the most interesting knowledgeable videos I've watched from you, Finn. I didn't know much about this early screamo scene. And that's not a dig on you, I genuinely think was a great watch!👏
The ending rant was unexpected and then accurate lmao
Wow, what Finn said here at 19:00 about the 90's hardcore scene being filled with a lot of undiagnosed mental illness was pretty spot on. Most of us were complete oddballs from the skateboarding world (We all heard Op Ivy on a skate video and ended up stumbling upon the YoT/BOLD CD split at Music land at the mall. How did that even happen?). We def were not the cool kids in middle school. They were listening to LA bands. Most of us became VERY cool once Nirvana happened, but that was because we were so far ahead of the normal pop culture for the time. That being said.. it took a long time before I could convert doing zines in the art room during study hall into getting laid. In the end.. looking back.. you are right.. that scene attracted a lot of weirdos.. I was one of a them.. if we didn't already have ADHD or something. We were all pre-disposed to something.. A lot of times, ironically.. addiction.
Eyo, you and the guy in the vid may have made some good ass points, but real talk my main take away from this whole react vid is that "emo industrial complex" is now a phrase I can use and I WILL be using it, if for no other reason than because that's hilarious 😂
Honestly just sounds like the kids nowadays can't find their own thing and just pick something dark to lock onto rather than facing their problems! Also hatebreed did attract the worst people but they're actually that big scary guy at the gym whose favourite film is bambi! 😅
I made a decision 6 years ago that I would not intentionally listen to any "negative" music. My mood and as a result life improved significantly.
I came to that realization about 3 years ago, while going through a rough break up that was taking a severe emotional toll on me. In a moment of clarity I realized that whatever progress I made in moving on and recovering was undone by the music I was listening to, stuff like Senses Fail, Silverstein, DGD, etc. because it pulled me back into that negative thought loop. So I shelved it all for a while, got back into early 2000's pop punk thanks to replaying Burnout 3 as well as seeking out more jazz which led to vaporwave and eventually city pop. Stuff that allowed me to work through and process my thoughts and emotions without feeding the more depressive side of my brain. Once I made that change I was able to gain a foothold and eventually climb out of the hole I had made.
Now, I still listen to all those bands, but I've been able to cut any connections their songs had to that relationship like 98% of the time. I've also learned to be more open to new bands or genres, at least initially, from going on this kind of search. I still have hard preferences, but I'll at least give things a fair shot.
Well done! Made the same decision some time ago and now I’m fully cured from listening to any music or playing in a band. Turned out I’ve spent my life on negativity. Sold my bass guitars and payed for my kids kindergarten. Way to go! #banemotionsinmusicibdustrykillingourchildrenandalsojarminggrownups #notadaywithoutpray
Same, but not with just music. I just try to surround myself or pay attention to things that make me happy. It seems shallow but it does work to ease the negative/stressful stuff in life
Finn, because of your age and life experiences your interpretation of NeoPunkFM's video takes what they are saying and puts it into a broader context. While they can talk about the technical aspects of today's EMO in comparison to 90's EMOcore, etc., the broader context of what it means to be part of subculture is lost on them. It's what happens when young people who are part of a scene or subculture grow up. Those who don't grow up and out of it are usually not very healthy people... those that do look back, laugh about it and still enjoy basking in their experiences of the past. Consider what so many people said about "goths" in the early 80's. We were sad, messed up kids right? We wore all black, listened to depressing music. Most of the goths I know, grew up and started working a 9 to 5. It just what happens.
this video reminded me of something kinda offtopic but also kinda not.
you talked about the thing where its actually a trauma outlet and ive seen a tendency lately especially with younger people where you can see and hear a musician thats clearly not well and making music thats clearly from a mind of a person that have severe issues. And then they get absolutely flabbergasted and appaled when that person then says some fucked up shit or they did something fucked up and im always like....no shit? idk if its because of more social awareness, because I dont think its a new thing that many people just consume music as a product and dont think too deeply about the context surrounding it and the vibes it gives off, but I just see this loop over and over again and it continues to impress me that people get equally shocked each time
Very well said! Totally agree
@FinnMckentyPRMBA like my brother in christ, the Kodan armadas most famous song is literally about the lead singer hearing his dad abusing his little sister in the room next to him, you think he's okay and completely stable?
@@yamaddie ik im responding to a little older comment with not much need to do so, but i'd like to clarify that the track that plays before that is an excerpt from a live show where the same singer tells the crowd that you can still have fun and that your traumas don't define you. music like this is ok, in moderation and with the knowledge of knowing that you can't stay in a bad mindset like that
Damn I needed a good “HERE’S THE THING!” & my dawg Finn delivers 😂
This is one of your best videos finn!!
Thank you for this video and trying to help people
Got too real at the end lmao
Weirdly this exact mentality has to apply to most pop music, most rap, and really most alternative music.
Dude, it's ALL negative. We dont get to have anything nice because most of our music is some seriously traumatic shit. Dont even listen to female sung RnB because its legit stalker/sexual predator music.
Thank you for yet another "HERE'S THE THING" moment. 😂
I love these guys. Truly bringing the rawness and comedy to the asipiring music scene.
Ebellution records started it all.
My favorite from that time period was yaphet kotto
Ebullition and gravity. Both incredible labels
Too much of anything can be bad for you. Music is an energy. And if you surround yourself with bad and negative energy, it will take it's toll on you mentally and emotionally. We've all been in that place, but it's never good to set up shop and wallow in it permanently. Appreciate it for what it is, but don't let it define you. Good video Finn.
Sometimes when I'm down I just can't stand listening to any upbeat positive music and sometimes I need happy "life's great" stuff.
This isn’t really emo but this is why I have a hard time listening to Dirt by Alice in Chains. Amazing album but just so dark.
This is bringing me back to this video I remember from middle school (2005ish) called Not Your Mom's Hardcore that was a compilation of a bunch of live shows from different hardcore bands