Recurve Tuning Series Episode 3 | Limb Alignment with Jake Kaminski plus rough bow weight & tiller
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- Recurve Archery Tuning Series Limb Alignment plus rough bow weight and tiller. This video covers what I mean when I say rough bow weight or rough tiller. I also cover the proper way to align your limbs and my thoughts of the tools used to align your bow. Plus how to check if you stabilizer is straight to make sure you are using a good reference point for setting up your equipment.
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This will be a multi-part series where each episode will break down each step to my shooting technique how I shot. I will take you through all the steps needed to have winning form and confidently compete at the Olympic Games.
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I have had a few people mention they feel like they are taking advantage of the situation with this info being out there for free. I want to let you all know that I am doing this to help spread the word of my knowledge on the sport to bring more interest into the seminars that my wife and I have been hosting around the world....
The best thing you could do is to spread the word about this CZcams Channel and to get this info out there for people to use. There isn't enough solid resources for information with experience to back it up and there is a huge void with first hand experience as a top level archer. You can help out the community at large and encourage it to grow.
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I love the series, the only problem is, the episodes aren't coming out fast enough!!! Keep up the excellent series!
Well I for one would suggest attending such a seminar and any publications from you as a birthday gift from my wife for certain ^^ Hope you will visit the Netherlands some time
Hi Jake
This is a response to an old video but I do want to thank you for your desire to improve archery around the globe. I'm a para archer from South Africa and while I shoot a compound bow your videos have helped me with my coaching skills to young recurve archers.
Regarding limb alignment. Di you have any guidance on aligning the old Win and Win Toutall limbs.
Thank you so much for your videos. I'm a new archer following you from Spain. Your tutorials are helping me so so so much! Keep going, and I hope you come to Spain!
Thanks for another great video!
In case it helps someone...
the effect you're talking about is called 'parallax' and I've always found that the easiest way to explain it is with a wall-mounted analogue clock. Stand about 2 metres away and look at the time, specifically the minute hand. Take a step to the side or have someone stand to the side and read out the time. You will get slightly different readings for each person that will decrease or increase in difference, the closer or further away that they move.
The same goes for if you move the minute hand further away from the clock face, which is in essence what the new alignment blocks are doing. The margin for error can become huge!
Good call thanks for the help on that one.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery NP, & thanks for the reply. It's a tough call because in theory the problem that parallax causes gives the potential for greater accuracy, but that same problem also gives a greater capacity for error, and i'm not convinced it's been overcome. Beiter blocks on the limb still appear to be the way forward.
You are a giant archery nerd and I am here for 500% of it
Excellent stuff - thank you for making these videos Jake.
Thank you
Just found your videos through a link in a barebow-group on FB and I think they are great! I´ve been looking for someone who can really explain in a way you understand and that´s what you do. I myself have been shooting barebow for 16 years but feel that I have great benefit from what you explain. You are doing a fantastic job, thank you😀
Hi Jake, I'm rather new to Archery and got my new 25" Gillo G2K Riser ad 64" 40lbs Uukha Limps a few days ago in order to start on a plausible standard. I follow your super cool Recurve Tuning Episodes to learn all about it. Meanwhile I'm a huge Fan monitoring all the Results and all the Progress I made already. Please hang on! Thanks a lot and all the Best from Berlin, Germany, Peter
Thank you jake for this very detailed tutorial vid.
I now have perfectly aligned limbs, when it comes to info you are the GOAT
look forward to becoming a patron
Hi Jake,
the next cool video, many thanks!
I use the Beiter blocks too and never had bad results befor!
Please go on with your Recurve Tuning Series!
I'm from South Wales YK and we're got allot of archers here due to our ancestors that the Welsh invented the longbow and could pull 250 lbs up to 280. Which the English could only pull half the poundage and half the distance, its a common misunderstanding that the longbow was English, but the Welsh longbow was far brutal, and the Welsh arrows were made rough for maximum damage. I'd love to see you over here in the UK. I'd love to have lessons with you. And see if our clubs could get you over here.
It is fairly easy to check if the stabilizer is straight by using an arrow spinner! Put a book or something with fine print against the screw while turning and you will be able to detect if it woobles
Thank you for your great job. God bless you.
Awesome video as always.... you are a great teacher Jake. Thank you.
The video felt like it ended abruptly though imo.
Lots to cover unfortunately after that last clip I started talking about centershot (new video just went live) and never really finished up talking about limb alignment. I’m working the kinks out on the videos and appreciate you watching them through. I’ll do my
Best to overview and summarize each topic before going on.
Thank you Jake. Hope you and Heather had a wonderful Christmas.
Thank you for all this great info, your explanation is easier to understand than a few photos in a book.
Great way of checking the long rod is straight as you are also checking the threads are in line too. ( I’m guessing the threads are the easiest part to damage if you drop a stabiliser onto a hard floor)
Thanks for the support.
Thanks!
Thanks for the super thanks!
You can make a card with a vertical line on it running through a hole. Take off your dampener, put the card on with the end screw through the hole and screw your dampener on. You can line the card up with your string, to help with lining things up
Not a bad idea.
Such great insights and so well explained. Thank you!
Thanks for being a Patreon Supporter!
I'm going to end up hiring you to coach my shooting, so these videos pay off. Really like them!
Hi Jake, great video. Can you use a couple of pieces of tape on the limbs with a centre mark instead of the Beiter Blocks? I have two sets of the blocks on order, but I am anxious to get going with this.
Jake, or anyone with experience, have you seen a limb twist, from tips or warped wood, cause the center shot/alignment to shift after shooting? Thats is, after seeming to get good limb alignment and center shot, the string shift after a few shots, arrow obviously not centerline with string/stabilizer.
Kaminski good afternoon, congratulations on the channel for the content, I would like to make a request, talk about arrow spines, about the more or less suitable for the main bow powers with use for competition purposes.
Grazie.
Thanks for another great video Jake but it seems like it just cuts off at the end. I have a Hoyt bow and would really really appreciate if you could go through how to disassemble the shim system on the down and on the pivot system just so we can see how all of that comes apart. Also, I am concerned that someone might try to loosen all of that assembly with the bow still strung?!
If you have the time I would really appreciate seeing how to do this end to end on a Hoyt bow
Awesome video thanks! You should get ahold of Zirn and Tim at The Push. I think it would make for a great podcast and some free advertising for you.
I'm having a hell of a time doing this with my new to me xceed with Quattro limbs. I take a photo with the string dead center on my stabilizer and just don't feel like they really are lined up. When I center the string on my stabilizer I would think that the string should still be fairly close to centered on the riser screws but mine isn't.
thank you for the tips! I think I hear a rooster in the background? Threw me off a few times while watching
Jake, did you actually try the tuning forks and compare to beiter? My experience (compared to 4 beiter) just comparing, the tuning forks would allow for finer adjustment after a “perfect” beiter adjustment. After fine tuning with tuning forks the beiter would still show perfect. It seems you are theoretically against it but did you actually try? You might be surprised.
I did try. I’ve tried them a handful of times and had decent results but it might just be that my eye works better with beiter and I know what I’m looking for exactly.
When I aligned a bow with the beiter blocks it was in perfect alignment and the limbs tracked straight, plus the tips were straight.
I threw a set of tuning forks on and saw I needed to make an adjustment so I assumed it was a fine tuning thing like you suggest and after making the adjustments I had limbs that wouldn’t track straight anymore.
I’ll make a video showing how to check limbs in other ways for straightness and show how I correct them as well.
I think the tuning forks are great but I just prefer tried and true old tech.
Jake Kaminski ok, thanks!
Hi Jake. Great start to the series, awesome to see you back at it. Quick question, in one of the last 3 videos you show the clear coat removed from the dovetail of the limb, what is reasoning behind this? Is it to prevent it from cracking unevenly and inducing limb twist? Is it something that you'd recommend?
I think you should give those tuning forks from Earlyhuman a try. I am fairly new to tuning and I tried both Beiter blocks and tuning forks and can testify that in my experience they are a lot easier to use. At least for a novice archer.
Not a fan of them, I'll do a video with them to describe why.
I gathered that much from your comment on them, but got convinced to try them by a fellow member of the Barebow group on Facebook after spending a few hours with Beiter blocks. Can say that even after Beiter blocks show alignment, the forks show the limbs to be a bit misaligned. After re-setting the limbs with the tuning forks the Beiter blocks still showed the limbs to be aligned. But again, I am very new to this and probably was doing something in a suboptimal fashion. Thank you for your work, by the way, it helps a great deal.
For the old model 2013 and oldest there is no shims for twist so what about if the limbs are twisted?
i bought a new set of limbs and found they were not a good fit were a half inchout of alignment not sure what i could do to fix them
You like to use stabilizer to get the center what if the stabilizer screw is not straight as some archers use it to hold the bow during the shooting
I would like to use the center of handle is never change
Regards
I wrote the comment before continue the video and you talk about the point the I told so is better do not use stabilizer if you not sure is straight
As I mentioned elsewhere … i shoot an old Spigarelli 650-riser.
The mounting point for the central stab is not straight.
Any advice on how to or with what to align the bow when adjsuting the limbalignment… withoit the central stabiliser?
So how often do you check limb alignment? I just re-checked the limbs on my Hoyt Alero... the screw had loosened and the alignment was off. My POI at 30m had shifted left about 4 inches. How often do you double check?
As a machinist myself, I can tell you this is normal. Unless you machine them yourself in tight spec.
Cheers for this, I used one of your earlier videos to help me set up my alignment (the 3rd dimension bit wasn't clear to me until I saw your explanation, I ended up going in circles) - Got me set up in 30 minutes!
Couple questions with setting the alignment in relation to the front stabaliser:
Is it that the front stabiliser bushing is a reference with the smallest tolerances?
Is the bushing designed to hold a straight stabiliser in the same plane as the string? That is to say that it isn't mounted offcentre or offangle to the central plane of the bow (which co-insides with the string by definition)?
Really great videos! Have you looked at the Earlyhuman Tuning Forks for limb alignment? It’s a really interesting take on how to align limbs and visualize limb plane in respect to the riser and stabilizer.
Those are the ones that I talked about that is a great idea but I tried them and saw an issue that I outline in this video
Look around 13:00 in.
Oh thanks! Sorry I must have looked at my phone at that part. Thanks!
I found that in my last seminar when someone used their earlyhuman tuning forks, I found the limbs to not track straight I used the beiter blocks outlined here and then the limbs tracked and aligned better. When I put the tuning forks back on, they showed a misalignment. I attribute this to the amount of clear coat on the limbs and the type of clear used.
Does it have to be done on a bow press? I cannot afford 1 of this in my area
Wouldn’t it make sense to nock an arrow as your reference point for aligning your limbs?
Your center shot can be set wrong, align the limbs first and then set center shot.
Jake what is the sight mounted clicker you are using here please ? I don't recognise it . Thanks for the excellent series
That was a homemade prototype that ended up being this. arizonaarchery.com/Shop/recurve-products/216-gold-extended-clicker.html
I'm doing something wrong in trying to get the limbs aligned. The top limb hits the correct lines on the block nearest the limb tip. and at the riser. On the bottom limb the block closes to the riser centers, but the block on the bottom of the limb doesn't. What am I doing wrong?
Sounds like the bottom limb is twisted. It happens if you have a hoyt with the pivoting limb blocks you can help fix it but if not, just use two limb blocks at the base near the riser and ignore the limb tips. One can also file the limb tips with a round file to correct issues in limb tip geometry which often causes the “twist”
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks for the reply. Limbs are pretty new, less than a month. I guess I got some "rejects".
I don't use stabilizers for my bows (hunting) is there another method you can use to aid in limb alignment? I don't want to purchase a $200 stabilizer for limb alignment checks.
5/16-24 all thread can work in a pinch
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Regarding limb twist. My Beiter Limb Tip Line Gauge (you didn't use those in your video) show that my limb seems to have a very slight twist. I have a Gillo riser that only allows the lateral limb alignment, like the Win&Win. So I assume there is now possibility to do anything about the twist, right?
What limbs do you have?
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Hoyt Grand Prix Carbon Velos
Hi Jake, Amazon says the Beiter Blocks are currently unavailable and they don’t know when or if they will be available again. Do you have another resource for obtaining these?
Paris D Black you could check Lancaster archery at lancasterarchery.com
Hi Jake, really loving your videos. Quick question though, is there a way to determine if the stabilizer bushing from the riser is straight so that we can go on and use our stabilizers to check the alignment?
I’ve only seen one stabilizer bushing in my career that had been misaligned and it was very obvious. I’ve had my hands personally on hundreds if not thousands of bows and never have had an issue. There is a way to check but would add multiple levels of complexity to the scenario. I’ll consider making a video addressing this in the future.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thank you!
Do we really need any stabilizer?
Even for amateur archer?
I would suggest getting one of course but that can come when you are more serious. If you are worried about your bow setup your probably advanced enough to use one for benefits.
I shoot barebow. Would you use a stabilizer as an alignment tool when aligning the limbs?
I would yes.
Thanks. The videos are great.
Is there a method to tell if the stabilizer bushing on the riser is straight? I have the feeling that my bushing is slight off but no way to verify its straightness
It’s extremely rare. Although the gillo risers are off center. I’ve never heard of a riser angling their bushing on purpose.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery It is possible that the bushing was damaged when I forgot my bow sling and the bow dropped out of my hand after releasing the shot last summer. Now I'm looking for a method the verify the bushing is still straight (or not). Because even very little tolerances are magnified a 32" stabilizer, way more than clear coat tolerances by the tuning forks.
I’d disagree on the tuning forks part cause that can cause issues with the system as a whole. Where as a bent stabilizer bushing is very plainly obvious. I have seen one incorrectly installed or “bent” bushing in my entire career. If you bent your stabilizer bushing from dropping your bow, the whole riser would be bent. There are more then enough crush forces in installation to center the bushing and prevent it from moving. It might as well be an actual part of the riser. If it’s bent, the riser is bent. The only way to be sure is to use extremely expensive granite flat surfaces and a fixture to hold it still and calipers of many shapes and sizes to verify it’s straight.
Are you having issues aligning your bow or just worried about an issue?
I’ll do another video explaining my methodology behind the stabilizer being used.
Again I’ve seen risers “aligned” to the back of the riser without a stabilizer but when using the stabilizer its off. Adjust to make the stabilizer in plane and the back of the riser stays in alignment. Go figure.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I have aligned my bow with tuning forks (that was before seeing your tuning video but I didn't realign my bow after watching the video yet). Using tuning forks to align the limbs, Beiter blocks align too but my main rod goes to the right when watching from behind. The 32" rod is about the thickness of a 1" A-Bomb off. Removing the unnecessary parts between riser and rod, using shims to alter screw-in depth or using my girldfriend's main rod didn't change that. I should probably retune my limbs using the main rod as a reference point and check if I notice a difference in performance, though my skills will probably be the limiting factor. Thanks for your feedback, appreciate your help.
Alex K. I would try that. You’ll be surprised how the back of the bow is still aligned despite it being ok now.
I like these videos but those 3/8 of an inch and similar things, make my head ache. Thumb up though.
Sometimes I forget metric exists and many viewers are international. Luckily most squares have inches on one side and CM on the other. I’ll work on using metric dimensions as well thanks.
It's a bit strange here in Europe since we measure bow length, draw weight and stabilizer setup in imperial units but we tend to measure tiller, brace height and nocking point position in metric.
I created a cheat sheet for myself for common imperial dimensions to keep handy with videos like these so it is easier to visualize.
To much man, unwatchable
All-thread is cheap and easy to use instead of the stabilizer and fairly easy to straighten if off. The first stabilizer oscillated quite a bit as well if you go back and look at the footage.
Not a bad idea.