2023 Honda Civic Type R vs Toyota GR Corolla // Battle of the Hot Hatches In-depth Comparison
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- čas přidán 2. 09. 2023
- Deciding on the FL5 Honda Civic Type R or Toyota GR Corolla? 3 Cylinder vs Four Cylinder, this head to head comparison might help you make a decision, enjoy!
The colors on these cars: Heavy Metal for the GR Corolla and Championship White on the Type R
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I gotta say, the over takes to show you switching cars is a REALLY nice touch
I have the GR Yaris and that’s a little rocket! But in terms of daily drive, comfort and looks, TYPE R is hands down the winner. It just gives that timeless appeal! Don’t get me wrong that Type R is a quick hatch!
That's exactly what I was saying....the ideal garage is a yaris GR and Type R....both amazing.
Just a corolla..
GR YARIS AND TYPE R KING OF HATCH
Corolla GR looks way better than the civic. Both great cars but Toyota wins looks undoubtedly. Civic looks bit dated 😳
@ElleyElley-et4ky civic looks dated...just wait a few years to make that call, the fk2 type R looks similar to the corolla in aggression...thats came out in 2014 I think....the type R looks just perfect
Just FYI GR Yaris and GR Corolla has a soft limiter in 1st/2nd so you only get full turbo boost in 3rd. (Done purposefully by Toyota to protect engine/turbo under warranty)
You can drop it from 3rd to second and floor it and it'll go nowhere fast , it'll feel like massive turbo lag where you feel like you are barely accelerating at all , with no way to remove it unless you custom tune the ECU so be very mindful.
Also for future FL5 owners , even with 265 wide tires it'll wheelspin in 1st-2nd on warm tires if you floor it (even with stock PS4S tires) , you will have to load the throttle progressively for best results. it is not a car built for drag racing from a standstill but from a roll , only way to combat it is to either fit stickier tires (semi slick's / R compound) or extra supporting mods like an anti lift kit and Polybush the lower torque mount with Powerflex or Whiteline and cross your fingers , but it will be extremely close in cornering capability on the limit to the GR Corolla if not better. Honda have truly engineered the Type R to carve up corners and hit circuits (from factory).
Anyone that has the opportunity to get either car is extremely lucky , but both cars try and target a particular audience , yet both cars have personalities that are total opposite of one another. Both have the capability to do what you want it to do , but do it in completely different ways.
If you can test drive both before you make a decision then do so , otherwise comparing these 2 cars head-head is extremely difficult. At this price-point both cars are very high priced and its important you pick the car based on your own desires/wants.
If you want my pick
Daily: GR Yaris/Corolla
Track: CTR
I only say this because i now daily the CTR and the 30 profile tires are amazing on good roads but is super bumpy on less then ideal roads even in comfort mode , the car absorbs the bumps fine via the electronic suspension through the cabin so you don't get a sore back but its just the annoyance of having a super stiff setup from factory , anyone with the CTR i advise dropping to 18s with a 35 or 40 profile tire. its simple physics. That's my only neg otherwise its a fantastic car all around.
Good luck guys , enjoy it while you can. This IS the golden age of ICE cars. Drive fast but responsibly.
P.S for the video poster , you can turn off the fake engine noise if you set it to individual mode by holding up and just dial up all the other settings to your preference except the fake engine sound. It is still as simple as 3 button pushes.
Test drive the Elantra N at your local meet and tell us how it compares to GR and type r
Very interesting to know, thanks.
I have notcied that too.
@@StinkySundaeman i love that car but the burples make me want to stab my ear drums
The original WRX had this to protect the transmission. You could buy a cheap manual blow-off valve to circumvent this. I imagine it's harder to do these days.
battle of the dealer markups
MSRP here 👍🏽
I found 2 championship type r’s for msrp now
True I did spend $7k over msrp on that FL5.
I can feel your passion for cars through the screen bro. It's what kept me watching all the way through till the end.
You can't go wrong with both brands. both Toyota and Honda are equally good and reliable.
I’d choose the Type R any day
I just got my GR Corolla circuit edition and it definitely puts a smile on my face when I drive it.
Got mine about a month ago. First time I seen it in person was at the dealership. What a beast!
@@JG-mg3if same
cool story bro
For those wondering, the Civic Type R and and Civic Si (respective year) have Adaptive Sound Control, which is what he means by "Fake engine noise." Essentially, theres a microphone near the engine, and it records and plays that audio through the car speakers. Its purely for the enjoyment of the engine noise, but can be annoying for content creators and people who enjoy quiet rides. You can disable it in settings with these newer models, but the older ones need the mics removed to turn it off (its a fairly simple process, but personally i like the noise! Makes me feel like im doing more than i am lmao).
which one you have type r or si?
@@rafam2600 sorry for the late reply! I have an SI, but a few buddies of mine have a fk8 and the new fl5 (the one in this video) disabling the Adaptive sound control is pretty much the same process in all of them. Hope that helps
The fl5 is actually real noise, I thought it was fake when I got mine but the centre tip is actually valved opens and closes around the 3500rpm mark.
Just take it off. Its literally near the glove compartment
@@ElViperr408 that's what I was pointing to by saying you can remove the mic. It's literally two clips to take off the glove compartment and a wire that needs to be unplugged, so again, fairly simple process I'd say.
I love your style of editing! Great Video!
thank u!
I’m a Honda guy but you just can’t beat the AWD system
Beautiful review and analysis! Lovely production as always
Preciate it!
I would choose the Corolla just because of the AWD
AWD is amazing
Aye Corolla gang!
I would if it weren't for all the damn mark-ups
I chose the GRC for this exact reason. I can drive it all year in Ohio.
Awd is overrated. Especially compared to a car with a locking LSD.
Love how ALL this reviews between this two are always in a nice sunny day. I mean almost half the year we get rain and snow in a lot of areas..
That’s generally a function of your tires.
@@josephsmith594 oh really,,,, well let’s test them still. The CTR comes with more gripping tires. Let’s put them with the same tires to track them on pavement, then change them for rain, snow and dirt.. Let’s get a good test on All Seasons and elements. Since they all just like to do dry and sunny tests..
@@JG-mg3if Get some good quality all season or summers and the best winter tires you can afford and you’ll be fine in any car.
I wish they would make a 2 door Type R again
Well done video, and great start to the channel. In 4 mos just impressive how much it's already grown. Who owns Sleepy Garage?
dang dude, your videos are quality - keep it up
Preciate it:)
Wow best compare video i have seen yet, so many points and information, thank you for a great video. Going a check if you got one on the Golf R MK8.
Thanks! Hoping to review the golf r this summer!
2:20 the heat extractors on the Circuit's bulge hood are real and functional
The Corolla's interior seems to have been an afterthought. It looks so cheap and doesn't even have an armrest. I do like that it is an AWD but besides that I'm taking the Type R 10 out of 10 times.
Interior look much better in person. Well at list to me 🤷🏻♂️
Im glad my GR doesn’t have an armrest because it doesn’t get in the way when racing, it is a small car!
Typical Toyota.
Awesome video! I have a deposit down(at MSRP) on both, so I'm waiting patiently for my number to be called. I love both of them for what they offer. If push comes to shove, I would take the FL5. It just feels a little more special inside and out plus has more usable space for when we take the kiddos with us on drives. You simply can't go wrong with either though!
Long live the petrol hot hatch!!!
the type r is a lot more special on the inside, not a little lol
Follow up. We picked up a Sonic Gray Pearl FL5 back in late November! Phenomenal car. Best hot hatch out there.
…best comparison of these two i’ve ever seen
It's all personal preference now and I love it! They both are great cars so it just depends on you. I'm leaning toward the Type R love the interior and that Honda shifter.
I love ripping it on Forks. It always makes my day. I wanted a GR Corolla but got an Elantra N instead. Am very happy.😊 Hopefully my friend will get his FL5 soon.
Hyundai and Kia are not even proper car makers... they make soul less cars with minimal driving dynamics... ppl should test drive 2-3 cars before choosing one
The TypeR is the naturally pick for me as the GR is just too tiny for a tall guy like me and it's backseat are useless
im owning GR yaris & FK8R, if you have to choose, just choose Type R / FL 5.
Amazing review!
Thanks!
Great comparison on the best hot hatches available
Thanks bro!
i have seen both in person and drove both, i just personally perfer the R better...there are lots of things that the GR does that's great, but i think the styling and how the R looks just fits better for me personally more than anything else.
R looks like a long family sedan with liftback, corolla looks like a nice cute hatch.
Corolla look like a Frog at best.. Civic is that sleek, wide, sharp, mean machine looks
@@i.d.6492they are both very big
nice review. nice graphic as well!
Much appreciated!
Great review. Can you also review the 2021 STI ?
Awesome video, and comparison. Btw, where in Ontario can find road like this?
You knew what his preferred option would be at the start by looking at his shirt.. CTR is the better daily for sure.
It really depends which part of Canada you live in. I'm a Honda guy but after driving the GRC it completely changed my view towards Toyota.
Awesome review.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks so much!
Nice review! Where in ontario are these roads? Im in the GTA and finding twisty roaeds are impossible. Keep up the good work 👍
Forks of Credit. Thanks!
Corolla vs Civic fight will last for decades.
for real!
They both great cars and they hold their value
The sound and DNA of the GRC is why ill always choose it. I absolutely love the sound every day on ky commute. All the sounds if the G16E-GTS, the turbo noise, blow off. Its such fun, and so raw!
Great video, I love that both of these are available.
Ok, that intro 👏 just lower the volume of the music. I wana hear the cars! Btw the GR hood vents are functional 😊
I have both 2023 gr corolla core with performance Package and 2018 type R i tink I'm a blessed man
U definitely are!
I love both but the GR Corolla is really something else
The honda just has it all, shows you dont even need AWD.....can be a track car and family car....has big ass tyres and looks legit inside and out.....plus it has way more modifying options namely spoon/mugen/prl
As good as the civic might be, front wheel drive makes me flaccid. It’s the antithesis of what driving dynamics should be. All the trickery and kit that the civic has, just mitigates what is inherently wrong with FWD.
@KN-jw7ts I'm pretty sure the greatest hot hatches on earth where front wheel drive? So in this case it seems all that will make you unflaccid is an understeeing AWD or a bmw.....they make those bmws for guys like you, enjoy it!
Oh contraire mon frere……the best hot hatches have always homologation specials, that’s just a fact. And what do the vast majority of those have…..(say it with me) AWD. And this gr is the closest thing we can get to one of those here in the states. Btw, unfortunately bmw doesn’t do it for me anymore. Last one I had was an e46 m3, which I still regret selling. I digress, it’s not some big secret that fwd is the least desirable set up for enthusiasts. I can assure you, in the real world, places that have an actual 4 seasons….this gr is not only more capable, but will be much more fun….which is paramount. But I respect your opinion (albeit, weird) in liking fwd. I guess torque/under steer can be fun?
And lastly, never said the civic isnt great…….but you basically saying that awd is irrelevant Bc this ctr is set up the way it is, is absurd.
@KN-jw7ts no no one said the corolla is irrelevant, as another guy posted....if you looking at a complete package the CTR is better, and when I speak of a hot hatch for the road then the best hot hatches are 90 percent FWD...namely Peugeot 205gti, Megane RS, GTI clubsport...EK9 type R....so you can go get your rally special corolla and then everyone is happy....maybe one day take the FL5 for a drive and tell me what torque steer is....coz I have had both the FK8 and now FL5 and there is literally none of that, but I'm over this convo, you should maybe tell the honda engineers to wake up and listen to your opinion on the car.
Front wheel drive I never had issues with it honda type R for me I like all the red sporty
Thank you for this review. Im shopping for one now. I agree with everything you said. I'm wondering a bit though if I can place an after market drivers seat in the GR to lower it.
Thanks for watching! You probably can without a problem.
I have circuit edition. I think you should mention a bit more about the GR FOUR system. Its not your ordinary AWD folks. It is a different animal.
Honda looks now more grown up and mature ..❤
Would love to see the Morizo go up against the FL5, in the wet, on that same mountain road.
yo sleepy garage this is an amazing video and i love the road yous filmed this on so where can i find this road
Thanks! Forks of Credit.
CIVIC TYPE R 🔥
The GRC does have a heated steering wheel in Canada. 18:57 you can see the button on the left side.
Good review. Better than most.
thank u!
Both insane
Subscribed just on the intro ! You had me hard ! Cheers from France !
Thank u!
😂😂😂 he had you hard?
I think you touched on a lot of things that many people never mention and you drove these cars where they are intended to be driven. I drove both before buying a GRC because I found it more fun. I didn't like the size of the CTR and I hate the red interior. I also got heated seats and steering wheel in the GRC. And did I mention the actual hand brake? I also love the true hot hatch design of the GRC. The CTR is not a hatch at all, it's a lift back. If I wanted a more refined car there are plenty of cars to choose from, but wanting a more fun car, that can be enjoyed year round with the benefit of the AWD.
Every time my choice goes to Type R. Honda- 4Ever!
if you want a track car - fl5/fk8 - if you want an all weather beater - golf R, gr corolla.
Hard to pick..but maybe the Honda because of the space and better interior
both cars are extraordinarily marked up
Imagen if Toyota and Honda would work together ❤
My 2 favourite brands
Great video presentation 💪. I like the type R a bit better, mainly due to the interior, but living in NY, Id opt for the AWD ,Toyota.
I choose Corolla for the futuristic looks
where is this twisty road mai know???
near Toronto?
Good review
Thanks
Only bad thing about the AWD on the GR is that it Overheats and subsequently disables itself, since they put the exhaust system so close to the clutch pack. Huge design flaw for track.
Only if you track it hard in 70/30 mode. Track mode is 50/50.
Is this flaw also in gr yaris?
yes@@CCANGEL333
It is a design flaw but it can be greatly improved with the Cusco Billet Rear Differential Cover and a rear diff cooler.
Some aftermarket exhausts correct this over stock.
But as @yvonjasser said , when on track and really pushing it 50/50 mode is what you want to be in.
Civic type r ❤❤ una leyenda.
You can turn the engine sound off by using individual mode. Just turn everything to R mode except for the engine sound and its the same thing as R mode but without the sound
Thankfully you can disable the fake noise in the R in under 30mins by unplugging a module in the dash. Now I can actually hear the engine a bit, still doesn't sound all that great though.
yea they all sound like big vacuum cleaner lol until u get a exhaust one bad thing idk how they made integra type s sound good but ctr sound like a hoover lol
Also, remember for the Corolla there’s even a higher performance track trim call the MORIZO.
I've seen both in the flesh and the FL5 is very understated to the point where you hardly notice it. The Corolla on the other hand stands out substantially more. If I had to choose I'd get neither and get the Yaris instead.
I don't know. Between these two cars, they feel very similar. For the most part. I've driven both and they are just fun to drive! I can go with any of those cars. There's not one that truly stands out over the other. It's really personal preference and styling. I'll stick with the GR Corolla because of its reliability and handling.
As for the interior, I don't really care about it either. It's the driving experience that gets me. Like the guy said in this video, you can make the entire interior of the GR Corolla crap and I'll still buy it! And trust me when I say this, the GR Corolla is really, really fun to drive if I MUST choose between the two cars. But that's just my own personal opinion. I like the "feel" and it's like my body and the car itself, is one. You know what I mean? Like the Corolla responds to the way I want it to, like it knows how I want to handle the tight curves, and turns and when I need that extra "oomph". I don't get that with the Type R.
This review video is definitely the best review I've seen so far between these two cars. Totally unbiased, real, and there are points made I've never heard of before. That's what makes this video #1 in review so far between the Type R Civic and GR Corolla.
Yeah, well said. Really just preference. Glad you liked the video and thanks for sharing!
Civic type R drivetrain really limits further power and performance, without compromising the balance that it’s barely holding on to. GR Corolla is the way…. And I’m a Honda guy. (Btw the hood vents are real on the GR corolla, this ain’t no Supra! ahahha but thats cool too 🤣)
No offense, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. The GRC transmission has some major downfalls, and is not very strong. There is a reason why every modded GRY has a dog box or sequential.
@dogshmog I'm not mad ahaha but who said anything about the gearbox in the gr? I'm just saying the civic type r is too powerful for front wheel drive imo... It's fast and performs great but with those type of numbers, I prefer awd or rwd. Definitely awesome cars to say the least. I think differently from some people when it comes to horsepower numbers ahahaa I feel the type r has enough power right where it is and the grc could use another 80-100.... these are premium economy cars after all 🤷♂️🤙
You do not know what you are talking about your a rude dumbass@@dogshmog
@@topend2282There’s video of 500hp CTR blasting down tracks and most Japanese tuners are push 400hp on their light tuned track use Type Rs. And comes to the GR corolla, it’s the same argument, however GR corolla need to lose at least 200lbs of weight. If GR Yaris exist in America The GR Yaris trumps all, but as if rn, the more playful and harsh civic type R takes my money.
Whereabouts are the hairpin corner?
The power of dreams. Type R amazing❤❤❤
Love my GR Corolla CE!
Where are you driving in this video ahhh needa go there
Bought the corolla bc so much fun
Type R for me, but FK8 over FL5
Type R for me too, but FD2r over FK8
no good
FL5 very good
Fkg8y 😂
Tell me if I'm wrong, but less displacement and much more power means less life for your engine?
only thing i dont like about the corolla is that 3 cylinder engine i feel the civic has more potential if i want to add more power
Honda looks really nice. Perhaps a direction old bmws might have evolved towards in a perfect world. I’ll take reliability.
In terms of Motorsports:
Toyota GR is best at Rally racing.
Honda Civic Type R is best at circuit racing.
I agree
Both great cars definitely. But me, GR, if your buying this type of car for fun you're not bothered about interior surely? GR is just way more special then the civic. AWD system and handling is on another level.
I agree if you want the extra room buy a BMW M340
I remember the days when cars like this would sell at or under MSRP. If only today that would be the case...
Type r never went for msrp. Only select few got it for that. Your just repeating bs you hear from other idiots.
Because North America now values these brands/cars. Stealerships and the UAW are doing everything they can to prevent people from buying them and support domestically made cars.
you shot this video at Fork of the Credits didn’t you :)
I often ride my bike up there
Haha yes, great roads
@@Sleepygarage lots of po pos there, everyone likes to speed on those long twisties
I just drove the GR and never drove the type R but I find it hard to believe the civic handles or drives better. I was blown away how the carolla felt just banging those gears and the awd is amazing
Then you need to drive type R to understand just how good the type R is....
Thanks for sharing, both are great in unique ways.
The type R is extremely planted. Not joking it feels like a budget porche in the corners. The handling is miles better than the gr corolla
You guys should try out an Elantra N
yeah soon!
I drive the corollas at my job theyre awesome
Toronto?
nice roads, where's this ?
GR hands down! and I used to own bunch of B16s lol
Type R on order let’s goooooooo🎉
Congrats. Hope you get one!
Where exactly is this road
They should have made the cgr with turbo 2.0L 4 cylinders and it would have been more competitive, bringing it more levelled witg the competitor.
You didn’t talk about the giant heavy flywheel on the GRC.
Thanks for the review. One constructive criticism: I suggest that you get another camera, pointed out on the road. There's a lot of time spent with the camera on you, time that could show the car progressing down the road. Combined this with your commentary, and I think your reviews would be even better.
Thanks for the tips!
Another great video mate :) Out of these two and an M340i.... which would you have? Cheers Don, Perth W.Australia, 2020 M340i xDrive (YT: Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
I owned a 2017 340i MPerformance (special to the Canadian market). I now own a FL5 type r. The Civic is way more fun and practical storage wise. The BMW was a great mix of sport and luxury though and also a fantastic daily.
How much weight did it gain from the previous model?
Not very much surprisingly.
When are you reviewing the Golf R?
Maybe next year
Reviewers keep saying the GR is down on torque because it has 1 less cylinder but that's not technically correct it's more because it's down on displacement a 1.6 vs 2.0 it could have been a 2.0 3 cylinder like the TFG and that would have been a different story