I fancy the idea of body de-evolving back to fish-like state when loosing soul. As if some divine force in the past have triggered evolution by giving to primordial life some kind of "soul/mind" spark. And now when Godwyns soul has been taken away he's being reduced back to cancerous biomass. Alive yet mindless.
I really like how Godwyn is at the center of such stark contrasts; he was one of the most important demi-gods, yet we only really learn about him from the memories of a few who still speak of him, his life seemed to invigorate the golden order, and now his death taints it. The tree seems to understand Godwyn is, on some level, dead and seeks to restore him, but can only give birth to a corrupted, soulless mass of horror
The nose is really what throws the whole face off, it makes you want to look at it upside down. Considering the rest of his transformations have him taking on elements of aquatic creatures, I think the nose migrating upwards towards the top of his “head” is meant to resemble a whale, who similarly have wildly displaced noses.
I was about to ask someone to please explain how a human face turns into _that_ and I think yours is about the most succinct and plain explanation one could hope for.
I don't think the facial features are migrated as much as people think. The opening cinematic shows him being stabbed in the back. If the scar on the body in this video is the same wound, then we're looking at his back. The head is facing upward or bent backward, and the tendrils are coming out of the mouth.
Not quite. Look at the wrinkles on the back. That's a reflection of his true body's scar from the assassin's cruel knives. He's twisting and breaking around but this corpse is lying on his belly. It's backward and wrong compared to the true body in Deeproot.
@@ratman262 My mind always wants to interpret the nostrils and frill as a sort of faux beard, which gives the stormveil version of him an almost sort of 'at peace' appearance where he looks like a happy old man, but when you see him in Deeproot his golden hair is sprouting from this frill. Godwyn wasn't known for his luscious, golden beard so the hair implies that the frill is the top of his heard. I think it's intentional that his face looks completely inverted, as it only serves to make him even more unnerving to look at.
>first day or two This was my first souls game. It took me like two weeks before approaching stormveil doing everything but the main path to level up 😂
@@ChuckPalomo Formsoft's twisted take on Poseidon or neptune. imo a lot of marikas children are based on these figures. like Radahn and mars, and malenia and athena
what makes this creepier is that, this isn’t where he died. this is one of the many growths sprouted from his actual corpse by the roots of the erdtree. when you play the game and go to dungeons, look at the roots… you’ll see godwyns’s eyes on them. his corpse is corrupting/has corrupted the lands between because he died in soul, not body.
There is plenty of evidence to say that this is actually the real place of his death OR even that this isn’t his body at all. Argument for his place of death: it’s stated in lore his body was moved to its current position beneath Leyndell Argument for this not being his body: thorns coming from the growth are completely different. eyes are also different. I tend to believe it’s a completely different victim but your guess is as good as mine
You can see Godwyn’s eyes on all the crabs near the little lake just outside Leyndell Capital where Blackguard is camping out. The lake is right above Deeproot Depths.
I read a theory that the different places where you can see parts of Godwyn, including the bodies at Leyndell and the roots, are the erdtree's failed attempts are regrowing him, but each try results in a malformed dead body because his soul is dead. Basically the only way to truly kill an empyrean is to kill his/her soul, because that way they can't be rebirthed by the erdtree, and this is what happened with Godwyn
@@yyakaemunGodwyn wasn't an empyrean, he was a "normal" demigod. Empyreans are specifically those chosen by the greater will and two fingers as candidates to become gods and replace Marika like Ranni and Miquella. And technically everyone with Grace was "immortal" (to an unspecified degree) and would be reborn by the erdtree after Marika removed the rune of death from the elden ring. What you are thinking of is destined death, the true death everyone is destined to have that Marika sealed away by removing the rune of death. What Ranni did is steal a piece of the death rune and infuse it into a few daggers, granting them the presumed ability to grant destined death to those killed by them. Then used them in a ritual where one destined death would be split between her and godwyn allowing her to escape her own actual empyrean body and the influence of the greater will while not outright killing her. The thing with Godwyn not being able to be reborn is that he's technically still alive and immortal, so rebirth fails. Plus his body is infected by the rune of death.
Probably shouldn't. Worth noting, it's apparently, in-universe, only a rumor that something darker is withering away Stormveil. Nobody seems to know this thing is actually there, and considering it's a pain to actually reach, in a seemingly otherwise locked-off bit of the castle...
Godwyn's transformation is one of the weirdest nd most disturbing aspects of the game, and very few characters even talk about it. Hopefully he can die a proper death in the DLC.
This, and the scarlet rot, make a compelling argument for the Three Fingers. Some things really just need to be melted away with the yellow chaos flame.
@@Mare_Man Stop thinking like a mortal and start thinking like the new God of your world. Scraping the disgusting plate that is the current Lands Between into the trash bin is arguably the right thing to do if you'd like any sense of peace or normality in your world. I'm a Ranni fan, but even I see the appeal after spending hundreds of hours in this place.
I think he actually gets a proper death when the Tarnished burnt the Erdtree. All Death Roots and Godwyn are interconnected with the the roots of the tree, and the Flame of Ruin is said to be able to burn anything and feared by Marika and Greater Will. And with the death of Maliketh and the release of Rune of Death, the beings in Land Between can die properly. Somehow I think Ranni calculated this when she assassinated Godwyn.
It is more unsettling that he does not move an inch. You would expect it to move at least a bit, but he never does. He just sits there blankly not moving even a nanometer
@copyninja8756 idk it it's visible on mobile screens but I italicized the "yet" to emphasize that I don't think they'll never move, I think we just have yet to see it happen
Godwyn perished in soul, but his body remained alive in a sense. But a mistake was made, he was thought to be dead completely, and he was buried deep amongst the roots of the Erdtree in the practice of Erdtree burial. Unable to truly live, unable to truly die, Godwyn stagnated into corruption. He came to resemble the creatures of deep stagnant ponds and rotting tide pools. His corruption prevented the Erdtree from absorbing him, instead he corrupted the roots around him and Deathroot was born. Now as it spreads across the Lands Between, the roots endlessly manifest the likeness of Godwyn in rancid wood, iterating like a fractal of suffering and rot.
It would've been cool if they made his eyes track the player whenever they would move just to reinforce the fact that he died in soul not body they should've added that
@@AALion2004 I actually really like that. It would have felt like that's what the story trailer was foreshadowing when it showed that close-up of Godwyn's eyes opening and rolling forward again. It could also mean my theory is a bit off. Or that the developers wanted to do that, but ran out of time. Or that they just didn't think of it.
@@WASDLeftClick yeah I think they either ran out of time or forgot to add it that's really the only thing missing from Godwyn should've made his eyes track the player because in game his eyes are pretty much dead he's like a deformed corpse with his eye constantly blank just staring of into space you wouldn't think that his body is still alive you'd think hes dead as a whole that's my only critique with Godwyn's design that would've been the final nail
As Godwyn and deathblight are oddly linked to the sea, I believe that the third eye above Godwyn's forehead is based on the fact that many crustaceans, in their nauplius(Larval) form, have a simple eye on their forehead. Some crusteceans, such as brine shrimp, retain this third eye. Given Godwyn's aquatic form and the fact that he has possesed crabs, this could have some connections. Another theory is that the third eye could represent the invisible, inner, mind's eye in hinduism and buddhism. The third eye could be some kind of ironic symbol, signifying cognition in a brain-dead god. Just a Game Theory!
"that is not dead, which can eternal lie and with strange eons even death may die" no other creator has come close to capturing the essence of Lovecraft's cosmic horror the way that Miyazaki has, imo
People are insane for "loving" both hearing or telling the same cheap joke over and over. It's dull and smacks of desperation. I wish le epic memers would leave From's games alone.
@@PKFireFawx try finger but hole, amirite fellow redditor?!?! I wish I could give you reddit gold for that brave defense of recycled jokes, kind stranger!! Praise the sun!!
i like the theory i saw someone make a vid of where they speculated godrick took a piece of godwyn and essentially left it in the basement and thats what it grew into
I think that's pretty clearly implied in the game. A lot of people are posting videos describing lore/plot points as if they're some grand hidden revelation.
@@Rich_P_Anya hey man "clearly implied" would mean there'd be a piece missing from the original Godwyn that we could point to. There isn't though, which makes this thing way more ambiguous and weird.
Imagine you lose your soul, die horribly, and are transformed into something so grotesque and different from your original body. Now imagine feeling all of this, seeing your body turn into something different. And being stuck, only able to watch. No hope of ever turning back to normal
Godwyn in both concept, look and lore is the only things in 20 years of media that has genuibely creeped me out to the poinr of making me uncomfortable of looking at it. When I found it at the bottom of SV I had chills and could'nt get my eyes off him, then I learned about him and couldn't even be near its real corpse. Absolutely brilliant piece of work and design
Someone theorized he was "flayed" and his skin is what is under Stromveil Castle. of course, this really demands the "Why" Godrick doesn't seem like the type to drag the skin with him from Leyendell, where godwyn actually _died_ , plus Godrick was chased FROM Leyendell, kindof hard to just "pop on down to the undergroudn to grab Godwyns Skon and take something that massive WITH me WHILE being actively "Hounded" by a hostile military force. Not Happening. I think it has to do with His face popping up on those Mounds you can find in some places where you have fought the UnDead Mariners, those big piles of black shit? you can find his eyes on them, the big grey pupils.(Zullie has a vid on it) I think it is just "him" manifesting with the spread of DeathRoot as it spread through all the Lands Between
It’s clearly a very different, separate thing from Godwyn’s proper corpse but also we know that what ever it is, it was created because of the night of the black knives.
it's also possible that rogier don't know the truth, and this can be totally different from godwyn. There are no deathroot, no fly wings roots, no eyes and no hair. I personally think that it's the former vessel of the Prince of Death outergod (sorry for bad english)
@@quetzatlipotec527Exactly! The fact that there are none of the usual characteristics of death root around always makes me have doubts. The only weird thing is that you can see Rogier get infected when you touch his bloodstain...
I had a nightmare a long, long time ago and a character's head deflated, and it looked exactly like Godwyn's head. Next time, if ever, nightmares come up and I tell the story he's the perfect example to give.
I think his design is actually based on an old drawing of the kraken attacking a ship by pierre denys montfort. Seriously, look it up. The resemblance is crazy.
Could be. Godfrey's axe has tentacle patterns on it, and one of the first pieces of promotional art released for the game was Godfrey standing on a stormy shore facing out to sea.
The eyes, the tentacles... Yeah I see it But it also looks like I think Godwyn also looks a ton like the sea monster under a woman to the left of Africa on the worldmap called la terra conosciuta by paolo forlani
One of the wall holes in Godrick's arena is shaped like an eye. And it just so happens to be visible behind him when he declares "Forfathers one and all! Bear witness!"
@@tonyawwwno3364his real body is in deeproot depths the body on stormviel is just a mutation of him a copy basically the erdtree trying to make new bodies for him to come alive but failing because his soul is gone so it keeps trying to replicate him
Ah, I remember seeing this on my first playthrough... while desperately climbing the ladder as quickly as possible. Thinking to myself: "Boy I sure wish I could take a closer look at that thing but the monstrosity screaming up the ladder at me is just not having it."
@assman7218 he's technically dead but also not. He's the first one who lives in death because of the rune of death carved into him. Fia even dreams with him and you can enter said dream, which seems to imply he's in some sort of hibernation or coma. She evens mentions waiting for him to wake up.
considering the dlc is the classic souls trope of time travel shenanigans in the past. i doubt it. look at ds 1 and 2 dlc even threes final dlc all have us traveling to the distant past themes. and i mean far distant past, often times visiting kingdoms long gone.
Holy crap minus the stitching around the eye that looks kinda like that thing Marika was pulling the golden strands from in the trailer, wait wait wait
The concept of post-mortem Godwyn still baffles me. Like what exactly is he supposed to be/ Turing into? His body is turning into a weird fucking merman monster, a second corpse is forming under Stormveil, the deathblight crabs have his face forming on their shells. I hope the DLC explains or clears up some things on what exactly is happening to him and why his corpse is reconstructing on said things
But it has the facial flesh talisman that specifically says Godwyn, it looks like his body in the deep root depths and we know from other locations pieces of his face appear in other places in the world on areas infected by death blight. Everything seems to imply it's a part of Godwyn.
@@Crestfallen_Warrior sure, but with everything else it just feels like that's a stretch. Especially since Godwyn"s body in the depths looks so much like the thing under storm veil. Like, why would they have so much pointing to that and then have it be the storm king instead?
@@tonyawwwno3364 Well, I'm not convinced that it's the Stormking, but I'm fairly it's not Godwyn. I think it's another one of Marikas children. If every one of those children spread something unique like Godwyn spreads Deathblight, then this Demigod spreads whatever befell Stormveil Castle. It's actually unlikely that this is the Stormking, because I think the Stormking died beforehand.
@@Crestfallen_Warrior I get what your saying, but the game heavily implies the only reason the death blight is being spread as it is is BECAUSE of Godwyns death involving the ritual and how his body was buried at the erdtree foot, which made it spread throughout the land. "It is said that this cyst came from the corrupted visage of one unable to die a true Death. Indeed, it comes from the Prince of Death, scion of the golden bough and First of the Dead among the demigods." This quote is from the prince of death's cyst, the second talisman that specifically says the corruption is coming from The Prince of Death, the first to die. "On a night of wint'ry fog, the rune of Death was stolen. And the demigods began to fall, starting with Godwyn the Golden.' A quote used a lot and from a few sources, many refer to Godwyn as being the first to die during the plot of the black knives. We know he was the first murdered, and that he was indeed buried at the foot of the erdtree. One of the finger crones says "Ohh... Oh, Lord Godwyn... Such cruelty, such humiliation... My poor, sweet lordling should have died a true death." The only one that we see buried at the foot of the erdtree with any ill effect is Godwyn, and we know that giant mutated body in the depths is him. All areas with deathblight roots and such have what looks like his eyes and nose spreading throughout, same as what we see on The Prince of death stuff. Nothing else indicates that the other demigods are the causes of this spread and everything implies it all comes from Godwyns body and all because of how he died coupled with how they chose to bury him. I like the idea of it being something that's not Godwyn, honestly, I'd rather have it be something else that we can speculate on. Nothing points to the other demigods spreading death blight on their own on death as far as I can see
I think its there because of Godrick. He had an obsession with trying to be like Godfrey and his ancestors, which includes Godwyn. What if he obtained a piece of deathroot and left it to grow beneath Stormveil, much like Godwyn's corpse below Leyndell? Perhaps he believed it would make him stronger?
Whoever came up with this should’ve gotten a raise. This is the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen in a video game. Anytime I came across this, especially in the DLC, I was so fucking freaked out
I saw a theory in a comment on another video that Godrick stole a piece of Godwyn's corpse for grafting purposes and noticed something was up with it so he cast it to the bottom of the castle only for it to continue growing.
@eyesofthebeast hell no, the guy lowered the racism of the g.o. help rise the twins to the point they both want him back. Ranni is evil and no amount of white washing will change that
IMO this looks like a baby Godwyn. Maybe he's like a counter to the Erdtree where he's the main one and all these are the equivalent of Minor Erdtrees. The body on this one looks especially underdeveloped like a baby
im sure his body developed roots in that place, where he was killed, and probably his body was taken from there when it was already devolving into a primitive form of life (hence the baby-like shape), the roots retaining this shape as an apple seed grows into an apple tree. Then he just kept becoming a sea creature in the roots of the erdtree.
Godwyn's body shows aquatic characteristics. Maybe it's like a Starfish, lose a limb and grow it back. The lost limb starts to grow into an entirely new starfish. Godrick is a grafting nut, I wouldn't be surprised if the fool took some of Godwyn's flesh thinking he could graft it to himself. After it rejected his body, Godrick left the discarded flesh and now it's what we see today.
@@thewhistler6537 I'm interested in knowing more about the Stormveil connection especially because you never see another Godwyn body this developed anywhere else in the world except for his actual body in Deeproot Depths. I also wonder if there's any concrete evidence for Goodrich even knowing it was there below his castle considering he wasn't the original ruler of the castle.
@@FlashFirePrime That's why I suggested Godrick had stolen a bit of flesh after the assassination, of all the people to do it I think it'd be the individual most interested in applying other's body parts to his own. 🤣 I mentioned the starfish comparison because of Godwyn's fish-like attributes. Miyazaki is known to take influences and mash them together to create a whole new abomination. Since Godwyn body has developed a fish tail and is growing out of control, on top of the second growth under Stormveil leads me to believe his body has regenerative properties like a starfish does. As I mentioned a starfish will not only regenerate the lost limb but a whole new starfish will regenerate from the severed limb. Perhaps Godrick tried to graft Godwyn but quickly found out he needs to remove it before it essentially takes him over. Godrick cast the flayed flesh beneath his castle to hide his failed attempt, not realizing it would continue to grow. This is just my own head cannon based on Godrick's personality and desires.
To me, I see this as the 'final/most advanced' version of the Godwyn growths you can find littered around the Lands Between, like this one was the first to sprout after Godwyn's 'death' and it's been growing unchecked ever since, and is taking on more and more aspects of his true body. I mean, this even has the Cursemark of Death scar on it's back...
The fact that this is what happens to a living body without a soul is cosmically terrifying. I bet this corpse is a test subjet Ranni used to see what would happen to Godwyn when inflicted with the mark of death. What if this is her old teacher or some shit?
It would seem he is laying on his back but his head is upside down or at least his face is then again what looks to be his mouth piece with the bramble coming out could also be his scalp I really do wonder what inspired them to twist Godwyn into this odd mermaid looking clampfish thing...
I have the theory that the godwyn in stormveil castle is actually dry flesh, like if he wasn't exactly turned into a fish but rather a reptile, and like reptiles they remove their old flesh and grow a new one, if so that means the corpse in stormveil is his old flesh while the corpse under the earth tree is his actual corpse with the death blight growing on him. That actually rise a question if the corpse lies umder the Earth tree, why is his "flesh" found under stormveil castle, did he at some point move around or something? or maybe the earth tree absorbed his soul further more led to his body be on the earth tree roots? And he at some point traveled trough the sea to far lands, Perhaps we could find his "flesh" in the dlc as well.
The curse mark was carved on his back. He is on his stomach with his head looking up. His face isn't actually upside down like I thought at first. That's not his mouth
Always thought the tentacles are coming from under it's mouth. But looking at where his hair grows, it seems that is actually the top of the head and the head is twisted. If you look at it that way, it looks more like an alien or an ancient culture's doll, more than a Atopodentatus.
My first time ever seeing Godwyn in Stormveil.....I accidentally fell off a rampart and plummeted to my death, only for my body to splat right next to Godwyn. My annoyance at dying turned to confused terror as I spent the rest of Stormveil Castle dreading this THING I'd caught a glimpse of.
This thing freaked me out so much that on my first two playthroughs, I never even noticed the friggin ladder on the wall behind me (which I think is the tallest ladder in the game)!!
I remember I was on the top of the castle and was doing that jump across to the roof. I screwed up and ended up falling to my death, falling into the same room Godwyn’s weird second body happened to be. I was spooked since I didn’t expect to suddenly see some weird abomination so suddenly.
Few gaming moments shocked and horrified me as much as seeing Godwyn’s body underground for the first time. Of course part of that was wondering why the hell this thing looked like whatever had happened to his body.
i like how it's just wood. his real body infected the roots, creating that formation in a completely different place... i also like how a lot of people assumed this was an alien when this area was first discovered in the network test!
When I saw the one in Deeproot Depths in that huge empty space for the first time, I really dreaded I'd have to fight the thing.
Same I thought it would fall of the wall and come down like bed of chaos when you enter the arena for the first time in ds1 if I get closer
@@ImWhyMortalsCryokay but imagine how sick that would have actually been
I’d want to fight it so badly. It’d be just as insane as fighting the Horus in Horizon Forbidden West.
@@netblu True I actually hoped that would happen.
@@netblumaybe in the second dlc
The very concept of a radiant demi-god's body losing the soul would grow into a giant eldritch deep sea creature is so fucking metal, 10/10.
My thoughts exactly ❤️🔥
a giant eldrich deep sea TUMOR that spreads across the world, undying and all-consuming.
*Insert Murmaider song
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I fancy the idea of body de-evolving back to fish-like state when loosing soul.
As if some divine force in the past have triggered evolution by giving to primordial life some kind of "soul/mind" spark.
And now when Godwyns soul has been taken away he's being reduced back to cancerous biomass. Alive yet mindless.
I really like how Godwyn is at the center of such stark contrasts; he was one of the most important demi-gods, yet we only really learn about him from the memories of a few who still speak of him, his life seemed to invigorate the golden order, and now his death taints it. The tree seems to understand Godwyn is, on some level, dead and seeks to restore him, but can only give birth to a corrupted, soulless mass of horror
there's a dead god below stormveil castle.
There's a dead god below the continent
And there'll be at least one dead god in the DLC. If there's not, the Tarnished will kill it.
oh that's a dead god god. there is a dead god forgotten by our books lying motionless at the bottom of stormveil castle
Demigod*
did you know that there's a dead god's carcass under castle stormveil?
The nose is really what throws the whole face off, it makes you want to look at it upside down. Considering the rest of his transformations have him taking on elements of aquatic creatures, I think the nose migrating upwards towards the top of his “head” is meant to resemble a whale, who similarly have wildly displaced noses.
I was about to ask someone to please explain how a human face turns into _that_ and I think yours is about the most succinct and plain explanation one could hope for.
yeah it's the nose becoming a blowhole.
I don't think the facial features are migrated as much as people think. The opening cinematic shows him being stabbed in the back. If the scar on the body in this video is the same wound, then we're looking at his back. The head is facing upward or bent backward, and the tendrils are coming out of the mouth.
Not quite. Look at the wrinkles on the back. That's a reflection of his true body's scar from the assassin's cruel knives. He's twisting and breaking around but this corpse is lying on his belly. It's backward and wrong compared to the true body in Deeproot.
@@ratman262 My mind always wants to interpret the nostrils and frill as a sort of faux beard, which gives the stormveil version of him an almost sort of 'at peace' appearance where he looks like a happy old man, but when you see him in Deeproot his golden hair is sprouting from this frill. Godwyn wasn't known for his luscious, golden beard so the hair implies that the frill is the top of his heard. I think it's intentional that his face looks completely inverted, as it only serves to make him even more unnerving to look at.
We all wondered wtf this was the first day or two of playing
Now we know it's Godwyn. The question now is, wtf IS Godwyn?
@@ChuckPalomoit's his face, someone (Ratatosker I think) suggested he was flayed and the face in stormveil is the flayed skin.
>first day or two
This was my first souls game. It took me like two weeks before approaching stormveil doing everything but the main path to level up 😂
@@ChuckPalomo Formsoft's twisted take on Poseidon or neptune. imo
a lot of marikas children are based on these figures. like Radahn and mars, and malenia and athena
@@Micolashcage1 He's a beautiful mermaid.
what makes this creepier is that, this isn’t where he died. this is one of the many growths sprouted from his actual corpse by the roots of the erdtree. when you play the game and go to dungeons, look at the roots… you’ll see godwyns’s eyes on them. his corpse is corrupting/has corrupted the lands between because he died in soul, not body.
There is plenty of evidence to say that this is actually the real place of his death OR even that this isn’t his body at all.
Argument for his place of death: it’s stated in lore his body was moved to its current position beneath Leyndell
Argument for this not being his body: thorns coming from the growth are completely different. eyes are also different.
I tend to believe it’s a completely different victim but your guess is as good as mine
You can see Godwyn’s eyes on all the crabs near the little lake just outside Leyndell Capital where Blackguard is camping out. The lake is right above Deeproot Depths.
I read a theory that the different places where you can see parts of Godwyn, including the bodies at Leyndell and the roots, are the erdtree's failed attempts are regrowing him, but each try results in a malformed dead body because his soul is dead. Basically the only way to truly kill an empyrean is to kill his/her soul, because that way they can't be rebirthed by the erdtree, and this is what happened with Godwyn
@@kaj7135eyes? They have most of his outright face growing on their shells.
@@yyakaemunGodwyn wasn't an empyrean, he was a "normal" demigod. Empyreans are specifically those chosen by the greater will and two fingers as candidates to become gods and replace Marika like Ranni and Miquella. And technically everyone with Grace was "immortal" (to an unspecified degree) and would be reborn by the erdtree after Marika removed the rune of death from the elden ring. What you are thinking of is destined death, the true death everyone is destined to have that Marika sealed away by removing the rune of death. What Ranni did is steal a piece of the death rune and infuse it into a few daggers, granting them the presumed ability to grant destined death to those killed by them. Then used them in a ritual where one destined death would be split between her and godwyn allowing her to escape her own actual empyrean body and the influence of the greater will while not outright killing her. The thing with Godwyn not being able to be reborn is that he's technically still alive and immortal, so rebirth fails. Plus his body is infected by the rune of death.
I remember finding this blob for the first time
And it just felt...wrong , like eerie in a way that made me feel " That i shouldnt be seeing this "
Probably shouldn't. Worth noting, it's apparently, in-universe, only a rumor that something darker is withering away Stormveil. Nobody seems to know this thing is actually there, and considering it's a pain to actually reach, in a seemingly otherwise locked-off bit of the castle...
Oh please.
@@officegossip jealous ?
I doubt they're jealous. They're just calling attention to what a ridiculous statement OP made, and to be fair OP was being really melodramatic lol
@@andrewanderson1755That’s really how it felt though. Like this dark secret should’ve stayed hidden.
Godwyn's transformation is one of the weirdest nd most disturbing aspects of the game, and very few characters even talk about it. Hopefully he can die a proper death in the DLC.
This, and the scarlet rot, make a compelling argument for the Three Fingers. Some things really just need to be melted away with the yellow chaos flame.
@@AJKecskDidnt have to be frenzy y'know? Could have just been destined death.
@@AJKecsk There is no compelling argument to justify omnicide.
@@Mare_Man Stop thinking like a mortal and start thinking like the new God of your world. Scraping the disgusting plate that is the current Lands Between into the trash bin is arguably the right thing to do if you'd like any sense of peace or normality in your world. I'm a Ranni fan, but even I see the appeal after spending hundreds of hours in this place.
I think he actually gets a proper death when the Tarnished burnt the Erdtree. All Death Roots and Godwyn are interconnected with the the roots of the tree, and the Flame of Ruin is said to be able to burn anything and feared by Marika and Greater Will. And with the death of Maliketh and the release of Rune of Death, the beings in Land Between can die properly. Somehow I think Ranni calculated this when she assassinated Godwyn.
This thing is disturbing on a level only bloodborne could manage
have you SEEN the wormfaces
@@BlacklistedSoupforget that, have you HEARD the wormfaces?
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub never mind that, have you FELT the wormfaces?
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub yes, have you been EATEN by the wormfaces
@@BlacklistedSouphave you EATEN one??
Looks like me on a friday morning NGL
Bruh i feel u fr
I came here to writhe the exact same comment but then I've seen yours, so I'll just drop a "Same" here
I don’t think, though wish, your name is Godwyn
When i first went through stormveil castle, i fell into the pit that leads right to him
I actually shouted when i saw him, it was so unexpected
felt there yesterday by accident
if i didnt know about the thing i would scream
It kinda looks like one of those fake mermaids that sailors would create back then
It looks like a fish or a mermaid because it has something to do with Japanese myth.
Im just glad we never see either body move. He's already terrifying enough.
It is more unsettling that he does not move an inch. You would expect it to move at least a bit, but he never does. He just sits there blankly not moving even a nanometer
We haven't seen them move _yet_
@@the_bee_is_me wot
@copyninja8756 idk it it's visible on mobile screens but I italicized the "yet" to emphasize that I don't think they'll never move, I think we just have yet to see it happen
@@the_bee_is_me You may be onto something. After all, something attacked Rogier down there and I seriously doubt that it was the tree spirit...
Godwyn perished in soul, but his body remained alive in a sense. But a mistake was made, he was thought to be dead completely, and he was buried deep amongst the roots of the Erdtree in the practice of Erdtree burial. Unable to truly live, unable to truly die, Godwyn stagnated into corruption. He came to resemble the creatures of deep stagnant ponds and rotting tide pools. His corruption prevented the Erdtree from absorbing him, instead he corrupted the roots around him and Deathroot was born. Now as it spreads across the Lands Between, the roots endlessly manifest the likeness of Godwyn in rancid wood, iterating like a fractal of suffering and rot.
It would've been cool if they made his eyes track the player whenever they would move just to reinforce the fact that he died in soul not body they should've added that
@@AALion2004 I actually really like that. It would have felt like that's what the story trailer was foreshadowing when it showed that close-up of Godwyn's eyes opening and rolling forward again. It could also mean my theory is a bit off. Or that the developers wanted to do that, but ran out of time. Or that they just didn't think of it.
@@WASDLeftClick yeah I think they either ran out of time or forgot to add it that's really the only thing missing from Godwyn should've made his eyes track the player because in game his eyes are pretty much dead he's like a deformed corpse with his eye constantly blank just staring of into space you wouldn't think that his body is still alive you'd think hes dead as a whole that's my only critique with Godwyn's design that would've been the final nail
As Godwyn and deathblight are oddly linked to the sea, I believe that the third eye above Godwyn's forehead is based on the fact that many crustaceans, in their nauplius(Larval) form, have a simple eye on their forehead. Some crusteceans, such as brine shrimp, retain this third eye. Given Godwyn's aquatic form and the fact that he has possesed crabs, this could have some connections. Another theory is that the third eye could represent the invisible, inner, mind's eye in hinduism and buddhism. The third eye could be some kind of ironic symbol, signifying cognition in a brain-dead god. Just a Game Theory!
even some reptiles have simpler eyes on top of their heads!
"that is not dead, which can eternal lie
and with strange eons even death may die"
no other creator has come close to capturing the essence of Lovecraft's cosmic horror the way that Miyazaki has, imo
I love all the messages above the eyes that say “try fingers” and the like
People are insane for "loving" both hearing or telling the same cheap joke over and over. It's dull and smacks of desperation. I wish le epic memers would leave From's games alone.
@@Rich_P_Anya i've never seen a more miserable and useless comment appear in any fromsoft games discussion. its enough to make a man hollow
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@@PKFireFawx try finger but hole, amirite fellow redditor?!?! I wish I could give you reddit gold for that brave defense of recycled jokes, kind stranger!! Praise the sun!!
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i like the theory i saw someone make a vid of where they speculated godrick took a piece of godwyn and essentially left it in the basement and thats what it grew into
I swear I just saw that video and can't remember where or who posted it
I think that's pretty clearly implied in the game. A lot of people are posting videos describing lore/plot points as if they're some grand hidden revelation.
@@Rich_P_Anya idk id say godwyns whole story is pretty confusing. id love to learn more in the dlc
@@Rich_P_Anya i totally disagree that its "clearly" implied and yeah this is hidden lore if it wasnt for you that doesnt change a thing for others
@@Rich_P_Anya hey man "clearly implied" would mean there'd be a piece missing from the original Godwyn that we could point to. There isn't though, which makes this thing way more ambiguous and weird.
I never realized but the thorns or tendrils stemming from its mouth... it's like an octopus' arms.
or a jellyfish
They are roots, he was corrupted by detahblight
@@MoonlitEmbers010 You can see suckers. And claws emerging out of them is what makes it look more like thorns or roots.
Imagine you lose your soul, die horribly, and are transformed into something so grotesque and different from your original body. Now imagine feeling all of this, seeing your body turn into something different. And being stuck, only able to watch. No hope of ever turning back to normal
Godwyn in both concept, look and lore is the only things in 20 years of media that has genuibely creeped me out to the poinr of making me uncomfortable of looking at it. When I found it at the bottom of SV I had chills and could'nt get my eyes off him, then I learned about him and couldn't even be near its real corpse. Absolutely brilliant piece of work and design
The lack of eyes is what really bugs me. It has to mean something
it means he blind, my ninja.
He can't see grace anymore
Someone theorized he was "flayed" and his skin is what is under Stromveil Castle.
of course, this really demands the "Why"
Godrick doesn't seem like the type to drag the skin with him from Leyendell, where godwyn actually _died_ , plus Godrick was chased FROM Leyendell, kindof hard to just "pop on down to the undergroudn to grab Godwyns Skon and take something that massive WITH me WHILE being actively "Hounded" by a hostile military force.
Not Happening.
I think it has to do with His face popping up on those Mounds you can find in some places where you have fought the UnDead Mariners, those big piles of black shit? you can find his eyes on them, the big grey pupils.(Zullie has a vid on it)
I think it is just "him" manifesting with the spread of DeathRoot as it spread through all the Lands Between
@Integritys_Sum Wasn't it a relic he took? Which, in one definition, is like the body part of a Saint, or something along those lines.
@@Integritys_SumThey're even in Farum Azula
Dude needs a bath.
Maybe a spa day too
And a hug...
Gotta have to throw away the bath tub afterwards though.
I always felt like this was a scrapped earlier design/relic of an earlier placement.
This one even looks like he has 2 legs instead of the fish tail.
It’s clearly a very different, separate thing from Godwyn’s proper corpse but also we know that what ever it is, it was created because of the night of the black knives.
it's also possible that rogier don't know the truth, and this can be totally different from godwyn. There are no deathroot, no fly wings roots, no eyes and no hair. I personally think that it's the former vessel of the Prince of Death outergod (sorry for bad english)
It formed from a relic that was brought to Stormveil... Relics, in the catholic sense, can be the body parts or remains of saints.
@@quetzatlipotec527Exactly! The fact that there are none of the usual characteristics of death root around always makes me have doubts. The only weird thing is that you can see Rogier get infected when you touch his bloodstain...
@@RKDoroboI never knew this where do I find his bloodstain?
@@wrathofthegods4739next to this face under Stormveil.
I had a nightmare a long, long time ago and a character's head deflated, and it looked exactly like Godwyn's head. Next time, if ever, nightmares come up and I tell the story he's the perfect example to give.
I remember falling in a pit and going down right in the basement and the last thing I saw before dying was… this.
): look what they did to my boy
I think his design is actually based on an old drawing of the kraken attacking a ship by pierre denys montfort. Seriously, look it up. The resemblance is crazy.
Could be. Godfrey's axe has tentacle patterns on it, and one of the first pieces of promotional art released for the game was Godfrey standing on a stormy shore facing out to sea.
The eyes, the tentacles...
Yeah I see it
But it also looks like
I think Godwyn also looks a ton like the sea monster under a woman to the left of Africa on the worldmap called la terra conosciuta by paolo forlani
Definitely
No way you’re wrong. the eyes are hauntingly similar
those exact two drawings appear in early elden ring map designs, so you both might be onto something
this thing looks like it smells SO BAD like rotten fish and mold like seaweed maybe
this makes me wonder if Godwyn had "copies" of himself, just like Morgott and Mogh, and this is one of those.
One of the wall holes in Godrick's arena is shaped like an eye. And it just so happens to be visible behind him when he declares "Forfathers one and all! Bear witness!"
Godwyn really godlost huh
It's weird how it seems the face is twisted 180 to the body, like something is seriously going wrong on a fundamental level there.
Imagine if it was fully developed and started crawling like the grudge what an awful thought.
Took me this long to realize this might NOT be Godwyn. There is no golden hair. It has to be on purpose.
What
The corpse at the erdtree base that looks a lot like this has the golden hair
@@tonyawwwno3364his real body is in deeproot depths the body on stormviel is just a mutation of him a copy basically the erdtree trying to make new bodies for him to come alive but failing because his soul is gone so it keeps trying to replicate him
@@AALion2004 I'm aware that this isnt the real body, I was just telling the commenter that he indeed has golden hair on the main body.
Ah, I remember seeing this on my first playthrough... while desperately climbing the ladder as quickly as possible. Thinking to myself: "Boy I sure wish I could take a closer look at that thing but the monstrosity screaming up the ladder at me is just not having it."
Poor Godwyn :( I hope that we can do somenthing for him in the dlc
Isn't he already dead? His soul doesn't exist anymore, only his decaying body.
@assman7218 he's technically dead but also not. He's the first one who lives in death because of the rune of death carved into him. Fia even dreams with him and you can enter said dream, which seems to imply he's in some sort of hibernation or coma. She evens mentions waiting for him to wake up.
considering the dlc is the classic souls trope of time travel shenanigans in the past. i doubt it. look at ds 1 and 2 dlc even threes final dlc all have us traveling to the distant past themes. and i mean far distant past, often times visiting kingdoms long gone.
Well, you can do something for him in the base game. Choose Fia.
The scariest looking thing
I didn't even pay attention to that face because of the tree spirit behind me 😂
Lmao. Still less frustrating than the rats before it....
Hoping theres some kind of oceanic action in the expansion
Curious even this godwyn has a rune of death carved on the back of it.
Always glad to see any new content related to Godwyn! I really hope we get more of his story in the DLC. Thanks BonfireVN!
Holy crap minus the stitching around the eye that looks kinda like that thing Marika was pulling the golden strands from in the trailer, wait wait wait
I was so scared this thing was going to move when I saw the red stain
The concept of post-mortem Godwyn still baffles me. Like what exactly is he supposed to be/ Turing into? His body is turning into a weird fucking merman monster, a second corpse is forming under Stormveil, the deathblight crabs have his face forming on their shells. I hope the DLC explains or clears up some things on what exactly is happening to him and why his corpse is reconstructing on said things
"So Godrick, what did yoy bring for show-and-tell"
"My Brother's tumour :3"
Something in my guts say that this might just be the Stormking. Especially when considering Ratatoskrs walking mausoleum theory.
But it has the facial flesh talisman that specifically says Godwyn, it looks like his body in the deep root depths and we know from other locations pieces of his face appear in other places in the world on areas infected by death blight. Everything seems to imply it's a part of Godwyn.
@@tonyawwwno3364 It's looted off of a corpse. Maybe that corpse brought it here before dying. Fell down or something.
@@Crestfallen_Warrior sure, but with everything else it just feels like that's a stretch. Especially since Godwyn"s body in the depths looks so much like the thing under storm veil. Like, why would they have so much pointing to that and then have it be the storm king instead?
@@tonyawwwno3364 Well, I'm not convinced that it's the Stormking, but I'm fairly it's not Godwyn. I think it's another one of Marikas children. If every one of those children spread something unique like Godwyn spreads Deathblight, then this Demigod spreads whatever befell Stormveil Castle. It's actually unlikely that this is the Stormking, because I think the Stormking died beforehand.
@@Crestfallen_Warrior I get what your saying, but the game heavily implies the only reason the death blight is being spread as it is is BECAUSE of Godwyns death involving the ritual and how his body was buried at the erdtree foot, which made it spread throughout the land.
"It is said that this cyst came from the corrupted visage of one unable to die a true Death. Indeed, it comes from the Prince of Death, scion of the golden bough and First of the Dead among the demigods." This quote is from the prince of death's cyst, the second talisman that specifically says the corruption is coming from The Prince of Death, the first to die.
"On a night of wint'ry fog, the rune of Death was stolen. And the demigods began to fall, starting with Godwyn the Golden.'
A quote used a lot and from a few sources, many refer to Godwyn as being the first to die during the plot of the black knives. We know he was the first murdered, and that he was indeed buried at the foot of the erdtree.
One of the finger crones says "Ohh...
Oh, Lord Godwyn...
Such cruelty, such humiliation...
My poor, sweet lordling should have died a true death."
The only one that we see buried at the foot of the erdtree with any ill effect is Godwyn, and we know that giant mutated body in the depths is him. All areas with deathblight roots and such have what looks like his eyes and nose spreading throughout, same as what we see on The Prince of death stuff. Nothing else indicates that the other demigods are the causes of this spread and everything implies it all comes from Godwyns body and all because of how he died coupled with how they chose to bury him.
I like the idea of it being something that's not Godwyn, honestly, I'd rather have it be something else that we can speculate on. Nothing points to the other demigods spreading death blight on their own on death as far as I can see
Every single time i climb up the latter after finding this thing in Stormveil im waiting for it to open his eyes... wouldve been nightmare fuel.
1:43 holy s*** it's human! ish! seeing the torso and arms put it all together, thank u!
Reminds me how the true king looked like in Demon Souls.
I think its there because of Godrick. He had an obsession with trying to be like Godfrey and his ancestors, which includes Godwyn. What if he obtained a piece of deathroot and left it to grow beneath Stormveil, much like Godwyn's corpse below Leyndell? Perhaps he believed it would make him stronger?
Whoever came up with this should’ve gotten a raise. This is the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen in a video game. Anytime I came across this, especially in the DLC, I was so fucking freaked out
Interesting to see that there is also part of the body replicating in stormveil.
Erdtree rebirths people, but due to Deathroot and Godwyn's lack of soul, it instead produces imperfect copies.
I feel like somehow it knows I'm there.
i swear the real godwyn is looking at you when you're standing in its arena
I like this thinking
The art team for this game is super talented
I saw a theory in a comment on another video that Godrick stole a piece of Godwyn's corpse for grafting purposes and noticed something was up with it so he cast it to the bottom of the castle only for it to continue growing.
Not bad.
Ranni WTF have you done dammit
This is why I can never side with her or forgive her.
@@TheCucuyo9779 im calling it, godwyn was just as evil as marika and hid it really well. Ranni did what had to be done
@eyesofthebeast hell no, the guy lowered the racism of the g.o. help rise the twins to the point they both want him back.
Ranni is evil and no amount of white washing will change that
Ranni simps: "Nashandra for DS2 was an evil creature. We could never be deceived by similar manipulator."
@@eyesofthebeastBoth Marika and Ranni are evil and wanted to fuck up the world for their own selfish desires.
Poor, pitiful Godwyn....he deserved better. All because of Ranni's schemes
You knew what you did with the thumbnail
Cool to be able to see it so clearly!
IMO this looks like a baby Godwyn. Maybe he's like a counter to the Erdtree where he's the main one and all these are the equivalent of Minor Erdtrees. The body on this one looks especially underdeveloped like a baby
im sure his body developed roots in that place, where he was killed, and probably his body was taken from there when it was already devolving into a primitive form of life (hence the baby-like shape), the roots retaining this shape as an apple seed grows into an apple tree. Then he just kept becoming a sea creature in the roots of the erdtree.
Godwyn's body shows aquatic characteristics. Maybe it's like a Starfish, lose a limb and grow it back. The lost limb starts to grow into an entirely new starfish.
Godrick is a grafting nut, I wouldn't be surprised if the fool took some of Godwyn's flesh thinking he could graft it to himself.
After it rejected his body, Godrick left the discarded flesh and now it's what we see today.
@@thewhistler6537 I'm interested in knowing more about the Stormveil connection especially because you never see another Godwyn body this developed anywhere else in the world except for his actual body in Deeproot Depths. I also wonder if there's any concrete evidence for Goodrich even knowing it was there below his castle considering he wasn't the original ruler of the castle.
@@FlashFirePrime That's why I suggested Godrick had stolen a bit of flesh after the assassination, of all the people to do it I think it'd be the individual most interested in applying other's body parts to his own. 🤣
I mentioned the starfish comparison because of Godwyn's fish-like attributes. Miyazaki is known to take influences and mash them together to create a whole new abomination. Since Godwyn body has developed a fish tail and is growing out of control, on top of the second growth under Stormveil leads me to believe his body has regenerative properties like a starfish does.
As I mentioned a starfish will not only regenerate the lost limb but a whole new starfish will regenerate from the severed limb.
Perhaps Godrick tried to graft Godwyn but quickly found out he needs to remove it before it essentially takes him over. Godrick cast the flayed flesh beneath his castle to hide his failed attempt, not realizing it would continue to grow.
This is just my own head cannon based on Godrick's personality and desires.
To me, I see this as the 'final/most advanced' version of the Godwyn growths you can find littered around the Lands Between, like this one was the first to sprout after Godwyn's 'death' and it's been growing unchecked ever since, and is taking on more and more aspects of his true body.
I mean, this even has the Cursemark of Death scar on it's back...
Godwyns full model in depths is just disturbing. To think that thing was a humanoid body before… grotesque.
The fact that this is what happens to a living body without a soul is cosmically terrifying. I bet this corpse is a test subjet Ranni used to see what would happen to Godwyn when inflicted with the mark of death. What if this is her old teacher or some shit?
Found footage of me sleeping:
Man the design is so cool :D
Imagine Godwyn molting
One of the best, most inspired designs I've seen in a long time.
There is... a lot more to that body than I thought
Always wondered why it bled when attacking far up along the wall. Its body is way bigger than I thought.
It would seem he is laying on his back but his head is upside down or at least his face is
then again what looks to be his mouth piece with the bramble coming out could also be his scalp
I really do wonder what inspired them to twist Godwyn into this odd mermaid looking clampfish thing...
I have the theory that the godwyn in stormveil castle is actually dry flesh, like if he wasn't exactly turned into a fish but rather a reptile, and like reptiles they remove their old flesh and grow a new one, if so that means the corpse in stormveil is his old flesh while the corpse under the earth tree is his actual corpse with the death blight growing on him.
That actually rise a question if the corpse lies umder the Earth tree, why is his "flesh" found under stormveil castle, did he at some point move around or something? or maybe the earth tree absorbed his soul further more led to his body be on the earth tree roots? And he at some point traveled trough the sea to far lands, Perhaps we could find his "flesh" in the dlc as well.
I feel like I’m looking at something I should never have seen. It’s so alien and upsetting.
This thing makes the entirety of caelid look like firelink shrine.
He has a third eye like St Trina
That's his mouth. lol
@@FaeQueenCoryit's not
The curse mark was carved on his back. He is on his stomach with his head looking up. His face isn't actually upside down like I thought at first. That's not his mouth
@@toastmaster914 nope, hes on his back, thats his mouth.
Bro knows how to make unhinged things for sure
Always thought the tentacles are coming from under it's mouth. But looking at where his hair grows, it seems that is actually the top of the head and the head is twisted.
If you look at it that way, it looks more like an alien or an ancient culture's doll, more than a Atopodentatus.
Did anyone else discover this by jumping into the big hole beside the castle walls? Freaked me tf out when I hit the bottom and landed on this thing.
there's nothing more terrifying...
Went I first met this thing, i got chill on my body dude. Just so eerie dude
They would probably have a monthly tradition of changing his coffin
Ah yes. The last thing I discovered in The Lands Between. I found out about it through a lore video before defeating Maliketh
Looks like the finger slayer blade, and a baby
My first time ever seeing Godwyn in Stormveil.....I accidentally fell off a rampart and plummeted to my death, only for my body to splat right next to Godwyn. My annoyance at dying turned to confused terror as I spent the rest of Stormveil Castle dreading this THING I'd caught a glimpse of.
Looks like the "Banff Merman".
Just realized that the godskins probably used this body to make their clothes.
This thing freaked me out so much that on my first two playthroughs, I never even noticed the friggin ladder on the wall behind me (which I think is the tallest ladder in the game)!!
My beautiful fishy boi!
Someday Godwyn’s deathblight will spread to the entirety of the lands between, making everything him.
I remember I was on the top of the castle and was doing that jump across to the roof.
I screwed up and ended up falling to my death, falling into the same room Godwyn’s weird second body happened to be.
I was spooked since I didn’t expect to suddenly see some weird abomination so suddenly.
Who else was neevouse that thing was gonna open its eyes the moment you stepped on it? ✋️
I'm quite certain that we'll encounter and battle him in upcoming DLCs or maybe in Elden Ring 2.
Even after staring at godwyn for 10 minutes I still don’t know wtf I’m looking at.
God this game is incredible
no words other than Godwyn freak AF bro
Fascinating
Boy he definitely let himself go
Few gaming moments shocked and horrified me as much as seeing Godwyn’s body underground for the first time. Of course part of that was wondering why the hell this thing looked like whatever had happened to his body.
i like how it's just wood. his real body infected the roots, creating that formation in a completely different place... i also like how a lot of people assumed this was an alien when this area was first discovered in the network test!