The Everyday Jiu Jitsu Podcast | Ep. 11: Optimizing Learning With Greg Souders
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2023
- This week, I speak with Greg Souders of Standard Jiu Jitsu. Greg is a big advocate for the ecological approach to learning, and has recently made waves with his “Game-based” approach to teaching Jiu Jitsu. We talk about the best ways to learn Jiu Jitsu, his thoughts on the Gi, John Danaher, and much more. Enjoy the show!
Check out Greg's social media:
@gdsouders
@standardjiujitsu
Further Studies/Resources:
-Make It Stick: The Science of Successful Learning By Peter C. Brown, Henry L. Roediger III, and Mark A. McDaniel
-How We Learn to Move By Rob Gray
-Learning to Optimize Movement By Rob Gray
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Chapters:
0:39 Intro
0:57 Greg Souders and the ecological approach to Jiu Jitsu
4:51 Using the ecological approach in class
10:14 Contextual interference
11:23 The ecological approach and the Gi
21:08 Using the ecological approach for kids
25:36 Interleaving
34:35 The ecological approach vs teaching techniques
44:54 Teaching breaking mechanics using the ecological approach (heel hook)
53:50 The Greg Souders definition of success
56:01 Giving details
57:32 Using landmarks & instructionals
1:09:30 3 foundational aspects to every movement pattern
1:11:45 Using the ecological approach for beginners
1:15:24 Can we make the Gi more exciting by adjusting the rules?
1:21:21 Rapid fire questions
1:42:51 Outro - Sport
Need an instructional on this guys “not game” games.
I'm a simple purple belt but this is the exact path I was moving towards approaching my BJJ training before life circumstances forced me to stop. Can't wait until I can train regularly again.
Greg's approach to bjj definately ticks some boxes that many schools are lacking !
@1:00:08
Heuristics are not a branch of ecological psychology. In the 1950s, economist Herbert A. Simon introduced heuristics, indicating limitations in rational decision-making. In the 1970s, psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman expanded this idea with their cognitive bias research. Simon's "satisficing" heuristic helps choose alternatives when outcomes are uncertain. Simon's work showed that we operate within "bounded rationality." James Gibson offered an alternative view, suggesting direct information coupling for adaptive actions. Gigerenzer criticized Tversky and Kahneman's rationality norms and emphasized adaptation to real-world environments. Gigerenzer's approach instead of using probability, statistics and
logic as a norm of rationality, he considered that the parameter of rationality is how well a cognitive process aids an individual to adapt to the environment. But still all IP.
Thanks for the correction
Sounds like a normal start of a sesh. Warm up and spar with escaping,passing,sweeping etc..
It’s the Hegelian revolution in Jiu Jitsu. Sauders is discovering Jiu Jitsu’s version of the creation of an entity through exploration of self, and world spirit.
Good point 👍
Been a big fan of Greg's methodology ever since I heard him on BJJ Mental Models. Great episode!
Great stuff.
💪💪💪
This is a masterclass. Greg is brilliant to be giving this information away and planting the seeds. Athletes training like this will be the future champions of the sport.
this is the second podcast i've listened to about the ecological approach. i still am left wanting when it comes to how this actually plays out logistically during practice on the mats. we got a little bit with the host's heelhook breaking mechanics questions, but it wasn't until 1:10:00 that we got something like what actually practice looks like, and it was barely an example. i think the host did a good job trying to get him into the weeds, but it was another session of just fart smelling about how this approach is better than anything else.
at this point i still feel like i need to keep thinking of designated winner games to start implementing this approach.
There is an example of a full foundations class on the standard youtube channel. There will be videos of the other classes coming as well
The host kept asking trite questions. So does every other interviewer. "How do you teach mechanics?" He says he doesn't, he teaches the essential positional elements. Control, isolation, proper alignment, and the students play to figure it out. "But how do you teach mechanics?" It is frustrating, he already answered that question. He explains again. "But what about mechanics?" And on and on and on. Same questions, because the host is driving an agenda, and isn't listening.
@@Jonobos started following Greg on IG and he puts together really good stories that summarize the games he has his students play. also since this video there have been a few other youtubers that have gone to Standard to film how his classes go.
Anyone know how to spell the name of the guy Sounders says is the best grappler he's ever seen? Thanks in advance
Have been following Greg's stuff for a while. I appreciate his approach a lot, but so far I've found him to be unnecessarily condescending to Matt in the conversation, and had to stop listening. (I don't even know Matt, but I really appreciate his mind and his reputation in Jiu Jitsu). It's almost like Greg's trying to employ Danaher-esque rhetoric without Danaher's eloquence or the dignity he gives his conversation partners. I think Greg and his methodology are brilliant, just wish his tone was more respectful.
If you've been following Greg, you understand the depth of his knowledge and the work he puts in. The host did a poor job of screening the guest as he asked basic questions, then just wanted to hear his own voice. He seems condescending because he is, it became difficult to listen to because he didn't do a good job of exploring the guest, the subject matter, and thoughts. I'd be pissed too if I'm running a gym, helping other coaches, and then you're asked to do a 1 hr 47 min call with someone who asked surface level questions.
Tell me there isn’t a difference between how Greg is here vs how he is on the Sonny Brown podcast.
Nothing against the guy, seems like a nice guy and I get his heart is probably in the right place. Interviewing is not easy, especially remotely. But to put it on the guest makes no sense, it's the host's responsibility to understand and guide the conversation before it even starts.
Still doesn't warrant his tone
The job of a good host is to get the guest speaking. Seems to me the host was more interested in hearing himself talk.
Yeah, danaher is known for treating ppl with dignity. Would totally never slap your face, pull your hair or call you a f#gg@t for getting a technique wrong...
If we have to choose, gi is better, but both are great. Only no-gi nerds try to discredit one of them.
He says if you don't train at least four days a week you'll never reach blue belt level. That's just silly.
He said "you'll probably never reach past blue belt level".
Great podcast. Love Greg!
Isn't this what Kit Dale has been talking about?
Yep....,
Yeah they both read the same research. Kit got exposed because it's used more in Rugby
@@selfcritical exposed?
@@crushcrewjiu-jitsu2110 As in exposed to the use of CLA to form practice design
Anyone know who the wrestler he mentions is?
Is it Buvaisar Saitiev? I'm having a hard time finding his matches. His younger brother Adam Saitiev has better footage.
We all have used this method when trying to remember steps to moves.
It makes sense and we have all thought of this in some way.
Let the guest do most of the talking bro!
what was the name of the wrestler from the 90s that he watchs?
Buvaisar and Adam Saitiev
People are so addicted to new fads, there are many ways jiujitsu is being taught and if its good jiujitsu being taught then its up to the students to take it to their highest level
7 years with no vacations and a panic attack when taking one? No wonder why he developed such an effective training method.
Guy's a psycho lmao
Guy is a genius
I wonder if people are ready to know that Greg Sauders is leading the post modern jujitsu revolution, in the same way Danaher lead the modern jujitsu revolution
Gi is definitely not boring! Having said that I like no gi better
good thing Danaher hasn't spawned a generation of teachers that take themselves way too seriously
He’s too argumentative and basically just renaming his approach and calling it new.
Also, anyone who hates the gi that much really just sucks at it. I mean, people wear jackets all the time in real life, and pants. It’s completely applicable.
Sounds like a certain other guy everyone says is a genius
Dont feel offended, who gives a damn about the Gi? No one except of the people who train and compete in it. Thats the Point. Even Keenan sayed He waisted away years developing worm guard and basically destroy Gi Jiu Jitsu.
But you can do selfdefence with a nogi approach... You dont have to grip peoples clothes.
People who say this are people who have never been in a real fight. In a real fight do not look to grab clothes or use it. Clothes and a Gi are two different things. Even a heavy winter jacket is nothing like a Gi jacket. Even the clothing isnt applicable.
Doesn’t make sense… and he’s very angry
I feel bad for gregg man. Needs to speak to lex or Huberman. Ecological psychology and sports need to be discussed at a higher level
Lex? Lmao
Greg is great, this podcast host need to actually ask him questions rather than tell Greg what he's supposed to be doing. Have a conversation my dude.
Sounds complicated.. but I guess to each his own
I'm 10 minutes in and how unnecessarily argumentative this guy is being with the host is distracting.
Yeah same im out hes super condescending. First time listening to the podcast though I'm super interested to watch other episodes
He’s the guy who says he doesn’t give a fuck but clearly…..gives a fuck. And I shit you not it was only the first minute
You guys have a low attention span
That's due to cultural conditioning, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Drilling against compliant partners and the act without self organising in the moment is what's missing.
Seems to me the host is making a poor attempt at explaining Gregg’s teachings. If you’re interviewing a guest with a new concept I want to hear the guest….not the host.
Gi is much more dificult then nogi, so, This is cause they dont traine gi !