That line is literally from the fact that the Chinese army and other associated police and security forces ran over the protesters in APC/Tank/Bulldozers (can't remember what vehicles were used) to make "pie" that could be washed down drains or scraped up with back hoes and what not.
I've only ever seen Zach Grenier in small but not super memorable parts over the years (Twister, Fight Club, Zodiac), so Kenton in Devs really shocked me. He's so good at playing a casually terrifying son of a bitch.
Really? It's very intimidating and well acted. But I thought this branch of the storyline didn't do much for the plot. And "security guy thinks overwhelming use of force is effective" isn't especially original. Not bad or wrong, just nothing new.
@@johanstone It's a very good scene if it's just there to be a short and scary scene. But in serialized TV I would usually want some kind of larger meaning to the scene.
That’s an interesting idea, but I feel like Spader’s intellectual personality would overpower the “strongman” character trait. I think this version of Kenton has a soft-spoken intelligence that suits him well in addition to his brutish nature. Just my thoughts.
@@ctpnk hmm, yes/no It’s not so much of a stating a for sure result.. it’s more so those could be his final moments.. an why shouldn’t he want to put up the fight ? Instead of being soo compliant? I can understand he probably thought Kenton had lots of authority with the police at his heels taking in Lilly.. an he was stunned.. but I wasn’t totally happy with it
@@daladinpanse7362 that actually makes more sense.. it’s more plusable.. an I’m more satisfied with that answer rather then him just sitting there letting him do Whatever..
@@popephiliam5860 I really think you are exaggerating it a bit. Sure, Jaime is physically more robust but you can't really say that it should alone win the day for him. Apart from his training you are also removing the human element out of it. For e.g. Jaime never experienced any of the stuff that Kenton did during his career. He is a soft guy. Earlier in the scene, he just froze when Kenton entered his room after police left.
@@georgalem3310 eh, still. Nobody is such a b*tch that they would let some old guy violate them in a bathtub. He would have still fought back. This whole scene has weird racial undertones.
Devs was weak because the characters were too similiar. On alternate sides of the plot, it felt exactly the same. They all spoke in a slow, quiet, robotic tone. When the scene called for more life they couldnt deliver. The main woman in it was terrible. Her spy bf, the beard guy, the blonde woman. The characters had such limited life. It was just flat. That sucked the life out of the story. The fat guy had a couple of good scenes with that kid. Jamie wasnt too bad. But hands down Kenton was the best part and this was my favourite monologue.
The show was flat sadly. It had a decent concept but the acting didn't carry it off. A clever plot alone isn't enough. Did you make a joke that I didn't catch. The laughing at the end of a post doesn't validate a comment. Wish people could work that out. If you thought the characters were well acted and deep. The plot deeper. The costumes deeper still. Good for you. Peace and love.
@@ben86jones82 I really love your ending, "Peace and love" and so (just because of this) let's go a bit deeper into your points and what I think about them. Perhaps we can gain sth from our discussion! (1) Your main argument is that the characters are too shallow and speaking "in a slow, quiet robotic tone". To be honest with you, I also thought this the first time I watched it, especially for the first episodes. I had this disconcerting feeling that as you put it "the characters were lifeless", a sort of caricature of real-world characters so to speak. But as I continued to watch the show and am currently watching it for a second time, I think that I couldn't have been more astray from the truth. First of all, it must be said that every character of every show is necessarily shallow. You simply can't capture the huge complexity of a human being in a bunch of episodes, most of whom are targeting the masses, i.e. providing cheap burgers and not sublime food. This also holds true for books btw: Writers like Dostoevsky are the exception and not the rule. Most of the time, for most authors, characters break at the first analysis that you make of them. Again, I believe this is first and foremost a necessary consequence of the fact that we are here dealing with most complex device in the know universe: the human brain. Second, I think you might be missing the point altogether: the show portrays one specific type of human psychology: the entrepreneur. It doesn't depict an artist, it doesn't depict a resentful, all-too-average husband as is the case with Walter White. And, moreover, it doesn't depict this type when its hustling at "its best" (aka when its in the process of raising a company out of pure mud), it rather depicts an established entrepreneur. Hence it depicts a bunch of highly rational human beings, where the Apollonian side has triumphed over the Dionysian side so to speak (if we are to borrow a metaphor from Nietzsche). Thus I believe exactly this "lifeless" depiction of the entrepreneur is spot on! Think of the astronauts in 2001 a Space Odyssey for a comparison. (2) "Certainly can't compare with other shows lol" Now, given the above explanation and moreover, adding to this the tremendous depthness of this show when compared to other shows (personally for me this show gets a 10/10 in this respect and is on par with movies like Interstellar, Arrival or Whiplash) I then wondered what one could say for other shows given what you had just said for this show... Hence the 'lol' Let me know what you think!
@@georgalem3310 Hello mate. Been working a lot. But did read the post. Thanks for your informative message. I agree with much of what you said regarding TV and books depth of character. Crime and punishment is one of my all time favourite books. I thought breaking bad was decent for 3 years but once Gus died and a chemistry teacher became the king pin, It was too ridiculous. I think it's clear that DEVS is your type of show. When your quoting Interstellar and Arrival as rival 10 out of 10 standard. They wouldn't be my top films. I saw DEVS some time ago now. I will take into account what you said about a second viewing. It has a strong plot and deserves one. However I didn't say the characters were shallow. Which was my main gripe with how you phrased your message. I thought the show had depth and enjoyed the motives of forrest also. I thought the subject matter was interesting. I liked the moral and philosophical arguments for said concept of pre ordained events. None of this was my criticism of the show. The acting performances of the lead cast did not match the story or characters that were written. The lead female was exceptionally poor and flat. Her hardened, tough cookie, find the truth vibe I found very hollywood. Granted she is stunning to look at in a very visual orientated show. And yes that counts in casting. But her inability to bring life to the role, when it required it made her a poor choice. In her match up with the blonde woman and long chat on different sides of the moral compass. It felt like a mirror. Tone, style of voice. Granted it had a place in the show. But it was overused. In a show, for it to be anything like 10 and 10. Story alone no matter how interesting isn't enough. I have to be captivated by the performances. Visually the show was cool. Its the primary reason for my Kenton post. That bit about the Chinese revolution was what I felt the show lacked. As an add on I did feel the forrest character was strong and his tone, control, desperation and religious styled fanaticism. All delivered under the false guise of a calm progressive scientist. In a robotic tone worked. Matching him with others who did the same so the conversations didn't spark limited range. When he and the blonde woman continually said they had always known how this day would end in the same manner. Another example. Specifically the lead performance though. Was an error which I feel left the show feeling flat. When a very interesting story deserved more. Rushing the message a bit so apologies for errors. Peace and love.
"You are a dissident, I am a tank. "
Holy shit
That line is literally from the fact that the Chinese army and other associated police and security forces ran over the protesters in APC/Tank/Bulldozers (can't remember what vehicles were used) to make "pie" that could be washed down drains or scraped up with back hoes and what not.
The actor who plays Kenton steals every scene he’s in and adds a bit of humor to the show. Devs def needed some humor at times
Kenton is 'Devs' version of Mike Ehrmantraut.
I had that same thought haha, Mike is much more likeable tho
@@1337snake888 maybe if we had more screen time from Kenton we would’ve been equally fond of him but it’s a short series after all
the old man who cleans up the mess
more like an Evil Mike Ehrmantraut
I've only ever seen Zach Grenier in small but not super memorable parts over the years (Twister, Fight Club, Zodiac), so Kenton in Devs really shocked me. He's so good at playing a casually terrifying son of a bitch.
Watch The Good Wife and The Good Fight. Zach commands every scene in those shows.
He really should’ve been nominated for an Emmy for this.
Just realized that he's the boss from Fight Club
And the herpetologist from the xfiles
Can I have this monologue in cornflower blue?
❤
Kenton Durden.
One of these famous monologues from Far Cry
One of the best monologues.
Great scene
this scene is great
I was hoping Jamie would put up more of a fight ..
Really? It's very intimidating and well acted. But I thought this branch of the storyline didn't do much for the plot. And "security guy thinks overwhelming use of force is effective" isn't especially original. Not bad or wrong, just nothing new.
@@jerodast I just really liked the story he tells. I liked it as a contained scene
@@johanstone It's a very good scene if it's just there to be a short and scary scene. But in serialized TV I would usually want some kind of larger meaning to the scene.
But that never happend, the CCP said so.
+20 Social Credit
Needed awhile to find out where I know 'Kenton' from: he also played the narrator's boss ("Richard Chesler") in 'Fight Club'.
Poor Jamie
Zach Grenier aka voytek claukinski from problem child 2😁
I guess this show won't be getting played in China. 🤣
I wish he was played by James Spader.
That’s an interesting idea, but I feel like Spader’s intellectual personality would overpower the “strongman” character trait. I think this version of Kenton has a soft-spoken intelligence that suits him well in addition to his brutish nature. Just my thoughts.
@@thatotherkid9210 Wow, that's actually a really good point! Mind changed.
Kinda strange scene .. you would have thought this guy would have put up more ot a fight .. instead of being so compliant..
You think He stands a chance against an ex cia?
@@ctpnk hmm, yes/no
It’s not so much of a stating a for sure result.. it’s more so those could be his final moments.. an why shouldn’t he want to put up the fight ? Instead of being soo compliant?
I can understand he probably thought Kenton had lots of authority with the police at his heels taking in Lilly.. an he was stunned.. but I wasn’t totally happy with it
@@justineandserena I agree, especially how he let him break his fingers.
@@TheWelchProductions yea not good.. didn’t do his dgtwxter justice At all
@@daladinpanse7362 that actually makes more sense.. it’s more plusable.. an I’m more satisfied with that answer rather then him just sitting there letting him do Whatever..
Jaime would have stopped this guy's heart with his bare fists. Scene is some BS
The hell you talking about? Jaime is just a software security guy, not CIA-trained agent!
Jaimie is an old man with arthritic hands that looks like he would topple over from a gust of wind. The other guy is in his early 20s.
@@popephiliam5860 I really think you are exaggerating it a bit. Sure, Jaime is physically more robust but you can't really say that it should alone win the day for him.
Apart from his training you are also removing the human element out of it. For e.g. Jaime never experienced any of the stuff that Kenton did during his career. He is a soft guy. Earlier in the scene, he just froze when Kenton entered his room after police left.
@@georgalem3310 eh, still. Nobody is such a b*tch that they would let some old guy violate them in a bathtub. He would have still fought back. This whole scene has weird racial undertones.
@@popephiliam5860 you definetely haven't even watched the show
I wonder how much China spent to have that bullshit line inserted into this show.
Perhaps one of the most stupid comments I've ever seen someone leave on this god forsaken site.
what a conspiracy
nothing of course. Cause a) its kinda true and b) why would they care about that show..
@@5gt38723 wrong.
hm, would they really want this line in a show? even one that only aired outside the country? in any case, definitely too minor a show
Devs was weak because the characters were too similiar. On alternate sides of the plot, it felt exactly the same. They all spoke in a slow, quiet, robotic tone. When the scene called for more life they couldnt deliver. The main woman in it was terrible. Her spy bf, the beard guy, the blonde woman. The characters had such limited life. It was just flat. That sucked the life out of the story. The fat guy had a couple of good scenes with that kid. Jamie wasnt too bad. But hands down Kenton was the best part and this was my favourite monologue.
On the contrary: characters were deep, ideas discussed even deeper. Certainly can't compare with other shows lol
The show was flat sadly. It had a decent concept but the acting didn't carry it off. A clever plot alone isn't enough. Did you make a joke that I didn't catch. The laughing at the end of a post doesn't validate a comment. Wish people could work that out. If you thought the characters were well acted and deep. The plot deeper. The costumes deeper still. Good for you. Peace and love.
@@ben86jones82 I really love your ending, "Peace and love" and so (just because of this) let's go a bit deeper into your points and what I think about them. Perhaps we can gain sth from our discussion!
(1) Your main argument is that the characters are too shallow and speaking "in a slow, quiet robotic tone".
To be honest with you, I also thought this the first time I watched it, especially for the first episodes. I had this disconcerting feeling that as you put it "the characters were lifeless", a sort of caricature of real-world characters so to speak.
But as I continued to watch the show and am currently watching it for a second time, I think that I couldn't have been more astray from the truth.
First of all, it must be said that every character of every show is necessarily shallow. You simply can't capture the huge complexity of a human being in a bunch of episodes, most of whom are targeting the masses, i.e. providing cheap burgers and not sublime food. This also holds true for books btw: Writers like Dostoevsky are the exception and not the rule. Most of the time, for most authors, characters break at the first analysis that you make of them. Again, I believe this is first and foremost a necessary consequence of the fact that we are here dealing with most complex device in the know universe: the human brain.
Second, I think you might be missing the point altogether: the show portrays one specific type of human psychology: the entrepreneur. It doesn't depict an artist, it doesn't depict a resentful, all-too-average husband as is the case with Walter White. And, moreover, it doesn't depict this type when its hustling at "its best" (aka when its in the process of raising a company out of pure mud), it rather depicts an established entrepreneur. Hence it depicts a bunch of highly rational human beings, where the Apollonian side has triumphed over the Dionysian side so to speak (if we are to borrow a metaphor from Nietzsche).
Thus I believe exactly this "lifeless" depiction of the entrepreneur is spot on! Think of the astronauts in 2001 a Space Odyssey for a comparison.
(2) "Certainly can't compare with other shows lol"
Now, given the above explanation and moreover, adding to this the tremendous depthness of this show when compared to other shows (personally for me this show gets a 10/10 in this respect and is on par with movies like Interstellar, Arrival or Whiplash) I then wondered what one could say for other shows given what you had just said for this show... Hence the 'lol'
Let me know what you think!
@@georgalem3310 Hello mate. Been working a lot. But did read the post. Thanks for your informative message. I agree with much of what you said regarding TV and books depth of character. Crime and punishment is one of my all time favourite books. I thought breaking bad was decent for 3 years but once Gus died and a chemistry teacher became the king pin, It was too ridiculous.
I think it's clear that DEVS is your type of show. When your quoting Interstellar and Arrival as rival 10 out of 10 standard. They wouldn't be my top films. I saw DEVS some time ago now. I will take into account what you said about a second viewing. It has a strong plot and deserves one.
However I didn't say the characters were shallow. Which was my main gripe with how you phrased your message. I thought the show had depth and enjoyed the motives of forrest also. I thought the subject matter was interesting. I liked the moral and philosophical arguments for said concept of pre ordained events.
None of this was my criticism of the show. The acting performances of the lead cast did not match the story or characters that were written. The lead female was exceptionally poor and flat. Her hardened, tough cookie, find the truth vibe I found very hollywood. Granted she is stunning to look at in a very visual orientated show. And yes that counts in casting. But her inability to bring life to the role, when it required it made her a poor choice.
In her match up with the blonde woman and long chat on different sides of the moral compass. It felt like a mirror. Tone, style of voice. Granted it had a place in the show. But it was overused. In a show, for it to be anything like 10 and 10. Story alone no matter how interesting isn't enough. I have to be captivated by the performances. Visually the show was cool. Its the primary reason for my Kenton post. That bit about the Chinese revolution was what I felt the show lacked.
As an add on I did feel the forrest character was strong and his tone, control, desperation and religious styled fanaticism. All delivered under the false guise of a calm progressive scientist. In a robotic tone worked. Matching him with others who did the same so the conversations didn't spark limited range. When he and the blonde woman continually said they had always known how this day would end in the same manner. Another example. Specifically the lead performance though. Was an error which I feel left the show feeling flat. When a very interesting story deserved more.
Rushing the message a bit so apologies for errors.
Peace and love.