Denon DL-103R playing: Don Grusin - Classical September 18, 2019
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- This song is recorded from the LP "Out of thin Air" by the pianist Don Grusin.
The master was recorded and mastered at the new recording studio Octave Records that was established by Paul McGowan from PS Audio and aims at providing us with audiophile quality records to bring us closer to the music.
More info on the release can be found here:
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About this amazing project of Paul McGowan:
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The cartridge is a Denon DL-103R, which is an improved version of the classic DL-103 moving coil cartridge with a nude conical stylus on a tapered aluminium cantilever.
The audio recorded by the microphone is replaced by a recording using the same setup and an Asus Essence STX II soundcard.
While CZcams isn't the best place to preview sound quality, it'll be good enough to get an impression of the characteristic sound and looks of the setup.
It's used in combination with a SPL Phonos pre-amp.
The sound is very neutral and the cartridge reproduces the dimentionality of the sound very well.
Especially when playing this record directly to the speakers, it's like there's a piano in the room.
Some of that dimensionality/depth is still left after CZcams compression.
For this recording I've set the load resistance on 470ohms.
I've kept the other settings at default recommended (2.5 grams VTF, 2.5 Anti-skating and VTA parallel to record surface).
Recording setup:
Cartridge: Denon DL-103R
Headshell: Jelco HS-25
Turntable: Technics SL-1200G + KAB TD-1000
Phono preamp: SPL Phonos
Recording soundcard (PCIe): Asus Essence STX II
Soundcard dedicated PSU: Seasonic Platinum Series V2
Cables: Mogami 2964, AudioQuest Saturn
Recording software: Sound Forge Audio Studio 12
I do not own any of the copyrights and I do not have the intention to violate them; If this leads to copyright infringement, just let me know and I'll remove it as soon as possible.
#Qorax #1200G #Grusin
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I had a ton of static charge buildup because it's winter over here and this record is fairly new.
Managed to get rid of most of it.
If you bearwald that Denon cart it will be moved almost 2 mm further out from the pivot point.
This will increase the effective mass of the tonearm system,
I had much better results with bearwald, using your exact turntable, headshell and cartridge.
Also with KAB1000 fluid damper.
Though I'm also using an even heavier aux weight, i have 3 aux weights, and I'm using the largest.
Also get a "The cap" it will improve the sound by a mile
@@Lasse3 The cap? What's that?
@@QoraxAudio a 100$ 3,5 grams metal house, that slips right over both the 103 and 103R, it does not require you to ruin the cart, and can be taken off whenever you want, and installed on your next DL-103R.
This upgrade has been measured by Micheal Fremer (Stereophile) and Alex Korf (Korf Audio) and a list that reads like a who's who.
With actual direct A/B comparisons with capped vs un-capped.
Everybody agrees both subjectively and objectively by both listening and also measurements by accelerometer + vibrameter;
- that "The cap" heavily reduces resonances and ringing in the plastic house of the cart, which completely upgrades the cart to a whole other level.
The cap provides a firm connection for the mounting screws and bolts, so that the DL-103R will be much more mechanically connected to the headshell.
The improvement in soundstage width and depth is staggering, and both bass and treble is taken to a whole other level, without sacrificing anything!
It doesn't change the sound signature or take away from the merits of the DL-103/R it only improves on what was already there.
It's like when you put isoacoustics Gaia on your speakers! Just for your cartridge instead.
@@Lasse3 Sounds interesting, thanks for the suggestion.
I'll take a look at it!
@@QoraxAudio so i just recieved the DL-103R. And i de-mounted the original DL-103 which had well over 30 hours burn in.
Even during the very first virgin needle-drop, i already prefer the 103R.
Though it's slight rise in response above 10khz might not suit smaller speakers,
I have giant floorstanders in a small room, so a little extra emphasis at the top really suited my sound, - as compared to the slightly rolled-off top end of the original DL-103.
The 103R is obviously faster in it's transient response and has higher resolution, thanks to lower mass of coils, this results in a cartridge that sounds more high-end.
I really enjoy what I'm listening to here, can't wait to get it burned in, and experiment with the setup.
Ahh! Those Denons are incredible cartridges for the money.
Yeah they sure are!
Sounds fantastic!
Cool! That is exactly my set-up. Listen to it every day :) /Paul
Nice!
Nou dat snap ik wel, want deze klinkt echt heerlijk!
Heel helder en goed gebalanceerd klankbeeld.
Wel een beetje krakend bij hele luide muziek dichtbij het label, maar dat komt denk ik door de conische punt.
Heb je ook gëexperimenteerd met het toonarm/headshell gewicht?
Veel mensen zeggen dat daar de bassen wat voller van worden.
Dus ik ben benieuwd of dat voor mij de moeite waard is!
@@QoraxAudio Als je zin hebt om te experimenteren, dit zijn mijn settings. Tracking force 2,6g. Anti skate op 2,0g. Gewicht headshell en cartridge op iets van >20g. Extra gewicht in contra gewicht. Klinkt als een beest :) /Paul
@@XjunkieNL Ah ja ik heb ongeveer 20 gram in het totaal, 8 gram van de cartridge en 12 gram van de headshell.
Ik had al een idee dat anti-skate wel iets lager kon met conische styli, dus dat ga ik dan morgen eens even uitproberen!
Oh, man! I didn’t see that you’d put this up yet! It sounds fantastic. I’m such a huge fan of the DL103r. When it eventually wears out, I’ll most likely have it retipped with a micro line. I’ll probably also pick up another stock one just to A/B the two, cuz the stock cartridge is obviously doing something right. Again, sounds excellent! Love it. Thanks!
Edit: I meant line contact not microline
Nice!
Once retipped, you should make a comparison recording for us to listen to!
Would be very interesting...
what is the difference between line contact and microline?
That is dead quiet amazing sound
Thanks!
Saludos !!!EXCELENTE!!! tu trabajo el que estas haciendo, yo tengo un Onkyo Digital A88-00 con un amplificador M504, con un ecualizador EQ540 y otro EQ201 y una platina TA2550 y un plato CP1500F y aguja tocadiscos Ortofon 40 y CD DX708, y la radio T4500. Todo los modelos del INTEGRA que es de lo mejor que de la onkyo NO hechos en masa la producción si no son selectos de la Onkyo Y los cables conectados al equipo son de la marca KabelDirekt Pro Series RCA . EN FIN TODO UN CLASICO DE LOS 80S Y 90S de equipos de sonido de aquella época, con los años jamás se me ha roto ningún modulo eso ya se ve de como trabajaban antes y los materiales de fabricación, espero tenerlo duarte ,muchos años por la calidad de un buen equipo musical ,saludos y muy buenos videos que tienes un gran like para tus grandes videos ya no se fabrican tan estupendos modelos de sonidos como estos aparatos ,es una pena , que hoy en día todo sea platico, saludos desde Barcelona - Podías hacer uno de Onkyo interga también de Review -
I may have it that record. Does it have my initials in the lead out? cm
If so, I could tell you about how the production was made. Chris Muth.
Hey, Qorax! Happy New Year, my audio nerd friend! 👋🔊🎶🥳
Lolol! Happy new year! Fellow CZcams addict! 🍻🎉
@@QoraxAudio Hahaha 🤣
@@NickP333 Oh btw, I just uploaded a new video, but damn youtube is slow today... it's not even available yet because it's still processing...
Should be up any moment now!
You have to let me know if you're getting tired of me asking questions all the time. Can't help it. Anyway, do you use the extra weight that you attach at the back of the tonearm for this? And, how good a match is this with the Technics arm? People keep saying the 103R is ultra-low compliance and that you need a heavier tonearm. Perhaps your headshell makes up for that.
Nah I don't mind the questions, but remember, you'll only get one perspective, so joining some HiFi forum would be a wise thing to do regardless.
And yes, I use the small aux weight (about 16 grams).
Yeah I know about the low compliance argument.
While many people claim a lack of bass with medium and low mass tonearms, I've never noticed any detrimental effects... it works just fine.
Maybe the tonearm damper I use damps out all of the negative effects... but I've seen people happily using these on 1200s without tonearm damper too.
The headshell is only 4.5 grams heavier, so I doubt that it'll make any significant difference.
Or maybe it's the combination of the magnesium tonearm with damper and a slightly heavier headshell... who knows?
I'd say that it's definitely worth a try, since it's a great allround cartridge and very affordable for a LOMC cartridge.
If you had to pick one, this or the Audio Technica ATOC9XEN?
This one, because this Denon is more neutral sounding, so it's more universally good, best allrounder.
And it's a common platform for retips/rebuilds.
There are many people running souped up 103R's that are retipped with things like boron cantilevers and microridge styli.
Suitable parts are very widely available to retippers.
However, if you play a record that fits with the warm sound of the ATOC9 cartridges, they'll easily beat the 103R.
Salve, saprebbe consigliarmi l’impedenza di carico da adottare per avere un’ottima resa musicale? Grazie
I had to use google translate for that...
I found the load impedance to be best at 470 ohms for this Denon DL-103R - it provides the best tonal balance.
What mat are you using ? And dimensions please
Technics RGS0010A 6mm mat.
And I’m sorry one more question what height on the arm were you using you probably forgot since arm was changed .
@@jerryandlisa27 Yes I forgot that, but I think it was 1 or 0.
Do take in mind that the headshell used was a Jelco HS-25, which is a few mm higher than the stock Technics headshel.
Thnx
What sort of difference in Audio output you got with and without KAB-1000 Tonearm Damping.
With this cartridge the difference is very small using the TD-1000 tonearm damper.
However, some cartridges benefit a lot of it, especially my 2M Black, AT-OC9XEN and AT-ART9XI, because those are higher compliance cartridges.
@@QoraxAudio You have put a Magnesium headshell instead of standard inbox Technics headshell moreover the Tonearm is Magnesium everything is non resonant now wondered where is the need to dampen further.
Great sound and nice headshell. Is it made of graphite?
No, it's made of magnesium.
The tonearm is also made of magnesium, so the headshell and tonearm are a great match.
@@QoraxAudio is the Magnesium arm of the 1200GR lighter than the aluminum arm of regular Technics?
@@Lasse3 The 1200GR has an aluminium tonearm. These 1200G do have a magnesium arm though.
Idk if it's actually lighter, seems that the effective mass is about the same.
What headahell are you using mine is too light for the cartridge you were right
I'm using a Jelco HS-25 headshell.
All of the equipment used is listed in the video description.
Does this cart perform well on the Technics arm / jelco hs25 combo?
According to many people it doesn't ..! Too light?
Sure, it's a bad match on paper... but in real life... it sound great! 👍
@@QoraxAudio i just ordered a DL 103R myself,
got the same table and jelco hs25 headshell + KAB fluid damper - and 3 different aux weights, the heaviest is huge 😅
@@Lasse3 Oh wow 3?
Mine only came with two aux weights, but they can be stacked onto eachother to make a heavier one though.
@@QoraxAudio i bought them online, just like the KAB damper, 3rd party stuff.
Since I'm using a real Baerwald arc protractor, I'm getting an overhang of 17,5 mm instead of the regular 15 mm.
Therefore my cart is completely as far out on the headshell as possible and slightly crooked.
This also means the arm is being weighed down more because the mass is moved further out on the arm - effectively increasing the 'effective tonearm lenght' from standard Technics 230mm to 232mm.
This really allows the use of extra heavy aux to compensate for having moved the weight further out on the headshell.
Stuff like this really changes the damping behavior of the cart, bass can go from thick and lush, to tight and focused just by switching aux and re-balancing vertical tracking force (using a scale) completely without altering VTF, only altering tonearm mass.
People who claim that the aux don't affect compliance behavior are wrong.
@@QoraxAudio DUDE !!!
I JUST INSTALLED THE DL-103 (Non R version)
It beats my Sumiko BLackbird HOMC ...... How is this possible!!!
That's a premium cart vs budget cart .... Wow the Denon cart has a sweet smooth midrange, it's a delight !!! And this was with 30 seconds on the cart !!!!!!!!
Do you prefer the denon 103r over the 2m black?
Not really, they're quite different, both have their merits.
The biggest difference is the soundstage, depth and dimensionality, which is amazing with this 103R, something the 2M Black hasn't as much.
But the 2M Black has a Shibata tip, so it has much less IGD.
The 2M Black handles very loud records better and is better as an all round cartridge, as long as the records you're playing are pressed very well.
The 103R is less sensitive to surface noise, but more sensitive to static charge.
This 103R is very good at specific types of music, like this piano music - very clear and sparkling.
The 103R has a more neutral sound color, while the 2M Black is a tad bass heavy (but still well behaved).
Another big difference is the price; the 2M Black is about 1.5 times more expensive than the 103R. However, you'd need a good MC phono preamp for the 103R, so that can be another expense as well if you don't have that already.
I do think the 103R offers better price/performance, if you already own both an MM and MC preamp (or SUT).
Just keep in mind that the conical tip of the 103R wears out significantly more quickly than a Shibata tip, so I don't exactly know how the value proposition plays out in the long run.
These cartridges are very different.
I would use a 2M black for modern presses or mint presses but not on older used records. Far too sensitive to groove damage and scratches.
Both sound quite neutral but the Denon has a more expansive soundsstage and sense of depth.
If i wanted a finer tip I would go for an audio technica at33ptg/ii over the 2m Black.
@@paulwheatley141 Yes definitely, the 2M Black is very revealing, so it reveals both the good and the bad.
Hey brother two questions what height are you using on the tonearm and are you using the sub weight
The tonearm is on the lowest setting, but keep in mind that I'm using a higher headshell and thicker mat.
I'm using the small aux weight.
@@QoraxAudio thank you ordered the denon 103r
@@QoraxAudio Tracking at 2.5?
@@jerryandlisa27 Yes.
Received my Denon DL103r I'm using a technics headshell I tried adding the sub weight small but it makes the arm way too heavy so I'm not using it
Yeah, but what do you think compared to the AT in the last video? I'm cartridge shopping so I need to hear cart talk!
This cartridge is much more neutral sounding and has more sparkling highs, less bass.
The AT-OC9XEN is more warm sounding and has softer highs, a bit more bass.
Both have nicely wide soundstaging.
So it's a matter of preference; both are good in their own way.
Audio technica have a 'house' or family sound which is both enticing while arguably managing to be a little less accurate to the source.
The Denon 103r is a very neutral cartridge and plays the older records great with its very forgiving conical stylus.
It is the stylus shape that is so appealing as it is fuss free in terms of alignment and doesn't get derailed by poor pressings and wear.
I would always use one with the original stylus.
@@paulwheatley141 However, the "house sound" of Audio Technica's MM cartridges is quite different from that of their MC cartridges.
Their MM cartridges tend to be on the bright side, while their MC cartridges tend to be much more warmer sounding.
@@QoraxAudio yes I concur with that. Most neutral cartridges I've heard are the Denon 103r, Ortofon 2M range and the new Nagaoka Jeweltone range
@@paulwheatley141 Ah nice! I've never come across someone who actually has heard one of those Nagaoka JT80 cartridges, even though they're released for quite some time now...
How do they sound?
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