I think from what i calculated, without tingyun, ERR rope will have a slight difference in rotation (ult with 1 less skill), very slight difference though. With ting here i think the difference would be just JL doesn't need to get hit/beat an enemy in her rotations to smoothly get her ults/get 5 total transmigration state turns if she gets hit a little. I'll try keeping in mind ting makes energy cycles hard to compare though so thanks for the feedback :D
@@GodDoggos damage of 1 ult in trans do 3 ,4 or even 5 time the damage of 1 ult out of it. so uiting out is never worth in the long term. u wanna absolutely avoid 4 turn ult on JL. 3 turn 2 turn 6 turn or 5 turn is good cause u're in trans. bc This moc is extremely easy, by kills and hit u can easily do 3 turn ult without err. however playing bronya make it more difficult, that's also why err is not very good. it's because u dont rly wanna play bronya with err cuz bronya make it harder for TY to follow JL speed, but its still possible to 3 turn ult sometimes if ur tingyun is fast enough compared to ur JL/bronya.i would even say its still pretty easy in this MoC with all those kills. u can also dont skill with bronya from time to time to slow it. So the fact than u can still 4 enh without err, than Err with bronya dont do much. and than u lose a pretty big amount of damage. All that make err not rly worth it. however where err shine the most is in my opinion in bronya less comp where TY rly have the time to spam ult and make super long trans with 6 enhanced if lucky. i'm pretty sure a 145+ speed ERR JL do more total damage than a atk rope over 9 turn with TY Pela team (both play the same team and no bronya obviously). but u never reach 9 turn anyway. u can do 2 turn ult with JL vonwacq too its funny.
It would have been 0 cycle with attack rope if you had targeted "The acended" instead of the "silvermane liutenant" with ult on 7:02 btw since the liutenant was almost dead and since you targeted him, it wasted most of the damage of the ult on him which would have been better used to hit and possibly kill the ascended (aoe damage would have killed liutenant). Still great video.
I have really similar atk% and err ropes on e0s1 Jingliu. I use e0s1 Bronya (poorly built tho), e6 pela and e0 luocha for sustain. What i have noticed you often overcap on energy, because in fact you dont wanna use ulti everytime it is up, you wanna wait until you get into ST state. Even with atk rope you often overcap on energy, and atk has wayyy more damage
The point of doing this is to get 2 ults out within enhanced state without using Tingyun. Which this enables. And isn't really possible without using ER rope. Overcapping outside of enhanced state doesn't really matter. It does require you to get 2 kills or get hit twice. Or a mixture of the two. But that's pretty common honestly. In my experience of testing ER vs atk%, you can get 2 ults more often than you don't get it. From my testing in MoC 10 both sides. Same team as yours. Quantum set Jingliu.
I know I might be a day late, but I cannot overlook you using the fuckin ghetto smosh sound effect 0:14 there's no shot my content creator is this cultured
I used that set with Tingyun and know play ultliu and that’s so fun. Even though Bronya is better for her I rather use Tingyun. With that comp I managed to stay 5 turn in the state
Dang i never had the chance to get 5 turns state with her yet, that must be fun as heck with the amount of energy and cycling she gets XD I'm also a fan of tingyun more than bronya just because the gameplay feels so much more fun with the ult spams
Between choosing to hostage my ulti before getting JL’s enhanced skill to use it for better damage output or using JL’s ulti without the enhanced state for garbage damage just for the sake of getting into the enhanced state. I’d rather just be patient and use the mediocre skill than waste the potential damage from the ult. ERR Rope definitely has its merits and somewhat conditional “best case scenarios”, but I feel like rotation-wise it’s not as universal compared to just using atk rope considering the damage loss from atk rope and going into the enhanced state using JL’s ulti. Also take note: the trotters’ def break is busted this MOC so the damage you’ve been showing in your videos from this MOC may prove to be inconsistent in future MOC cycles.
I hear people are building her with quantum set as she already has so much dmg stat wise that it would scale better if she just had 20% def break The only issue is that they need to have quantum weakness and you dont have a 2pc set bonus
but she loses 10% of cryo damage + 25% of Crit Damage for 2 turns after her ult which is pretty significant. besides, if an enemy has cryo weakness, you may plus breaks + enemies with cryo will receive more damage@@PutraDede
i wonder if you can keep her buff state all the time with huohuo and tingyung, future lineup Jingliu Tingyung Huohuo Bronya, Huohuo being psuedo harmony this is busted
I'm pretty sure that can absolutely happen as more characters get introduced, it'd be totally busted to someday have 3 harmony characters that all just help JL get in her state xd
I think ERR would be best if you're running Aeon as LC. That way your stats would be balanced and the loss of attack stats will be mitigated. Since Aeon would increase attack for about 64%, and that's more than an attack rope could give. And space sealing station could also help since it provides 24% attack, it will justify running err given it has good substats.
I'm running signature + ER rope and I personally love it. I have a better atk rope that has 5% more crit rate but I've gotten more consistent 0 cycle clears in MoC 10 using ER rope. Because it let's you get 2 ults within enhanced state as long as you either get a decent amount of kills or get hit within that state. It happens pretty frequently too. But it's not a huge difference from using atk rope. They have very similar performance, I just prefer ER rope by a bit. Though yes if you're using Aeon then ER rope is 100% the way to go. Jingliu already has way too much atk buffs (180% !!!!) even before Aeon. Add Aeon on top of that and an atk rope becomes a drop in the ocean in terms of DPS.
Nah i back to atk% is much much better. Especially when you use atk% shoes too. Around 3k damage.☕️ enough to make a destruction. And if you havent bronya like me use yukong but i recommended use pela instead or SW. With tingyun which allow to you spam a her Ultimate not only for buff, but also double extra damage. Ofcourse be prepere for it jingliu can be spam in auto her ultimate before use skill so minimum 50% crit is requirement to deal enough damage without her state. Priorities of traces: Skill>Ultimate>talent.
ATK% rope with ATK% shoes is not optimal because of diminishing returns (The more you stack ATK, the bonuses increase lesser and lesser). ATK% rope with SPD shoes is better so she can rotate faster and get her Transmigration state to activate earlier.
@@_uh._.no_ i dont care either about cycles. I havent bronya , so not have to play off the speed tuning. Still rather atk% then speed. And ERR rope suck for dps sadly but harsh truth.
what if you used the 'ERR 2pcs set for extra 5% ER plus the 19,4% i wonder how that would affect dmg and ultimate recharge,. i persoinally go for ERR myself, her build-up feels super slow
I think in the end ERR build is better than ATK one, the last does more direct damage with every hit but ERR gives Jinliu more consistency and you are able to supply that lost of pure ATK into more enhanced attacks and ulti more frecuently. In other words, ERR has a slower start but once you cast your ulti the damage starts to equalize and in the next turns, because of the more frequent ulti, it surpases the pure ATK build.
@@masterngam DMG loss from using ERR rope > extra bursts and transmigration state. Literally every theorycrafter recommends ATK rope. And I say this as someone who uses an ERR rope because it's fun and both my ERR and ATK rope have 22-23% crit DMG. She's pretty strong with an ERR rope but it's objectively a DPS loss. Only time it isn't is in longer battles in simulated universe probably, in MOC it's somewhat worse.
I believe mathematically ATK does have higher ceiling, though an ERR rope with perfect substats will always top an Attack rope with bad substats. But a perfect ATK rope will likely be the best for her due to the sheer damage increase you'd get. In the vid, she definitely still did a considerable amount more damage with the attack rope so yep, i do believe the highest ceiling will still be from the attack rope 👍
@@blasianking4827 how is it a dmg loss? If you have err, you'll be able to have more skill and burst uses, which is more dmg than just an atk rope with no extra uses. in short, if you use 2 skills with err rope, its more dmg than one skill with atk rope (ik its more uses than two and one just used to simplify things) P.S i don't mean to come off rude if thats what it sounds like, just curious (IMPORTANT READ) i didnt read your comment all the way, i meant for longer battles btw, like if you're not doing anything important like SU or MoC then yeah i get it, atk is def better
ERR or Atk rope really just depend on do you want to deal max damage or not Since if you want to deal max damage you will want to hold Ulti untill you in her super mode.This is where Atk rope better since with ERR rope you still need to wait for Jing Liu to enter super mode. If you want her super mode to have higher up time then you will want to Ulti everytime you have it. This is where ERR rope is better.
Vonwacq could be funny just to overload her with ERR haha sadly i dont have a single vonwacq ERR rope tho rip. But yea rutilant is still very valuable on her so i thought to just use what i got :D
Perhaps, though initially i thought she'd need tingyun's ult charge to be consistent, with pela she could just dish out way more damage instead though you're probably right 🤔
@@GodDoggos yea, I'm no theorycrafter or anything but if you have resolution at high refinement enemies are pretty much butter waiting for you to be sliced.
I struggle between deciding to use her E while her ult is up or using her Ult first haha, but after some research i think you are right, now i usually do her E first regardless, wasn't sure which was more worth it beforehand.
You're not alone with those ER rutilant ropes. I used all the mats given to synthesise those for DHIL 😂
0:17 the actual quote "If there is a hole there is a goal"
dang it i got the motivational quote and the horny one mixed up 💀
@@GodDoggos that’s fine, you went for it and almost got it
@@GodDoggos no problem you actually made it a bit funnier
@@GodDoggosA for effort 👍
ERR doesn't change rotations at all, specially if u have Tingyun
yeah TLDR its pretty much the same, the difference is ERR is very rare than ATK Rope.
I think from what i calculated, without tingyun, ERR rope will have a slight difference in rotation (ult with 1 less skill), very slight difference though. With ting here i think the difference would be just JL doesn't need to get hit/beat an enemy in her rotations to smoothly get her ults/get 5 total transmigration state turns if she gets hit a little.
I'll try keeping in mind ting makes energy cycles hard to compare though so thanks for the feedback :D
It reduces one turn if you manage to kill 2-3 enemies
@@GodDoggos damage of 1 ult in trans do 3 ,4 or even 5 time the damage of 1 ult out of it. so uiting out is never worth in the long term. u wanna absolutely avoid 4 turn ult on JL. 3 turn 2 turn 6 turn or 5 turn is good cause u're in trans. bc This moc is extremely easy, by kills and hit u can easily do 3 turn ult without err. however playing bronya make it more difficult, that's also why err is not very good. it's because u dont rly wanna play bronya with err cuz bronya make it harder for TY to follow JL speed, but its still possible to 3 turn ult sometimes if ur tingyun is fast enough compared to ur JL/bronya.i would even say its still pretty easy in this MoC with all those kills. u can also dont skill with bronya from time to time to slow it. So the fact than u can still 4 enh without err, than Err with bronya dont do much. and than u lose a pretty big amount of damage. All that make err not rly worth it. however where err shine the most is in my opinion in bronya less comp where TY rly have the time to spam ult and make super long trans with 6 enhanced if lucky. i'm pretty sure a 145+ speed ERR JL do more total damage than a atk rope over 9 turn with TY Pela team (both play the same team and no bronya obviously). but u never reach 9 turn anyway. u can do 2 turn ult with JL vonwacq too its funny.
@@phantr2530 How can you cycle Tingyun to get 4 ults off in a row for 6 enhanced turns in a row? Or am I reading this wrong.
It would have been 0 cycle with attack rope if you had targeted "The acended" instead of the "silvermane liutenant" with ult on 7:02 btw since the liutenant was almost dead and since you targeted him, it wasted most of the damage of the ult on him which would have been better used to hit and possibly kill the ascended (aoe damage would have killed liutenant). Still great video.
Good vid :D I like exploring different options
I have really similar atk% and err ropes on e0s1 Jingliu. I use e0s1 Bronya (poorly built tho), e6 pela and e0 luocha for sustain. What i have noticed you often overcap on energy, because in fact you dont wanna use ulti everytime it is up, you wanna wait until you get into ST state. Even with atk rope you often overcap on energy, and atk has wayyy more damage
The point of doing this is to get 2 ults out within enhanced state without using Tingyun. Which this enables. And isn't really possible without using ER rope.
Overcapping outside of enhanced state doesn't really matter.
It does require you to get 2 kills or get hit twice. Or a mixture of the two. But that's pretty common honestly. In my experience of testing ER vs atk%, you can get 2 ults more often than you don't get it. From my testing in MoC 10 both sides. Same team as yours. Quantum set Jingliu.
people going for quantum set on jingliu just for that 2% dmg increase are so funny
this is good to know bc i have an err rope for the rutilant arena set with some crazy crit substats >:)
I have like 5 rutilant ERR ropes and all my good damage type orbs and atk ropes are Broken Keel.
Currently running Broken Keel Jingliu btw, she slaps.
Jing= rutilant.
Everyone else=keel.
trying ERR rope with blade might get you a different result from this
That'd make Blade do even more Ults which actually could be interesting haha
I know I might be a day late, but I cannot overlook you using the fuckin ghetto smosh sound effect 0:14
there's no shot my content creator is this cultured
NO WAY YOU RECOGNIZED IT 🤣🤣you are based i hope you know that
I used that set with Tingyun and know play ultliu and that’s so fun. Even though Bronya is better for her I rather use Tingyun.
With that comp I managed to stay 5 turn in the state
Dang i never had the chance to get 5 turns state with her yet, that must be fun as heck with the amount of energy and cycling she gets XD I'm also a fan of tingyun more than bronya just because the gameplay feels so much more fun with the ult spams
Great video Doggo
so basically we are too desperate for that mommy look
I mean... Hear me out
WE GOTTA SEE HER BLINDFOLDS OFF MORE 😩😩
some hits didnt crit LOL. so how can u compare?.
Between choosing to hostage my ulti before getting JL’s enhanced skill to use it for better damage output or using JL’s ulti without the enhanced state for garbage damage just for the sake of getting into the enhanced state.
I’d rather just be patient and use the mediocre skill than waste the potential damage from the ult.
ERR Rope definitely has its merits and somewhat conditional “best case scenarios”, but I feel like rotation-wise it’s not as universal compared to just using atk rope considering the damage loss from atk rope and going into the enhanced state using JL’s ulti.
Also take note: the trotters’ def break is busted this MOC so the damage you’ve been showing in your videos from this MOC may prove to be inconsistent in future MOC cycles.
I hear people are building her with quantum set as she already has so much dmg stat wise that it would scale better if she just had 20% def break
The only issue is that they need to have quantum weakness and you dont have a 2pc set bonus
without quantum weakness, she can still ignore 10% def which is decent
but she loses 10% of cryo damage + 25% of Crit Damage for 2 turns after her ult which is pretty significant. besides, if an enemy has cryo weakness, you may plus breaks + enemies with cryo will receive more damage@@PutraDede
@@OlexiVRstill comparable because the def ignore is op and with Sw you can almost always get 20%
The thing about that is, if u pair a quantum set jingliu + LC with a Pela, it becomes way better than the 4pc ice set
@@OlexiVR Don't underestimate DEF ignore, plus if you have SW you can have 20% DEF ignore which is even more broken
nice video my man
nice comment onglees4972 sama
i wonder if you can keep her buff state all the time with huohuo and tingyung, future lineup Jingliu Tingyung Huohuo Bronya, Huohuo being psuedo harmony this is busted
I'm pretty sure that can absolutely happen as more characters get introduced, it'd be totally busted to someday have 3 harmony characters that all just help JL get in her state xd
IF THERES A HOLE THERES A GOAL😂
I think ERR would be best if you're running Aeon as LC. That way your stats would be balanced and the loss of attack stats will be mitigated. Since Aeon would increase attack for about 64%, and that's more than an attack rope could give. And space sealing station could also help since it provides 24% attack, it will justify running err given it has good substats.
I'm running signature + ER rope and I personally love it. I have a better atk rope that has 5% more crit rate but I've gotten more consistent 0 cycle clears in MoC 10 using ER rope.
Because it let's you get 2 ults within enhanced state as long as you either get a decent amount of kills or get hit within that state. It happens pretty frequently too.
But it's not a huge difference from using atk rope. They have very similar performance, I just prefer ER rope by a bit.
Though yes if you're using Aeon then ER rope is 100% the way to go. Jingliu already has way too much atk buffs (180% !!!!) even before Aeon. Add Aeon on top of that and an atk rope becomes a drop in the ocean in terms of DPS.
What about the mole welcome you LC? It gives 72% atk boost in just 3 stack permanently in battle
@@nabi7701same dude.
It's way under rated.
@@neurzeroyeah but you gotta use a basic atk with jing at the beginning. Which sets you back one team turn early on.
I’m running errands rope bc it has 20% attack 6% crit rate and 4 speed
See. That right there is why you don't need atk rope.
Subs will cover it just fine.
OOOH FUCK IM BOUTTA TRANSMIGRATEEEE
I run crit spd e rope.
Why? Because the way it runs now I have after her first rotation.
Spd boots: 25.2cd/2.9cr/7.7%atk/4.4ehr
I'll probably just use whichever has higher stats. I use rainbow set rn and it's at least playable
all I see is our mommy is just her
all WE see is out mommy is just her 😩
Ps did no one notice that he called bronya blade
Not a big fan to play with tingyun just play pela instead and save tingyun for ur second dps
meanwhile my ass running Rutilant ERR rope for a week on her now shortly after release since i figured more ults prolly equates into more dps~
I have a lot of err rope well crit dmg body is super rare in my acc
Ey go ahead and give it a shot, its pretty fun and she just works so well with her kit that her damage doesn't even suffer too badly haha
I 0 cycled this moc without leaving trans state. ERR is definitely not the way
I run her with Atk boots and ERR rope. Why? Mine is E6 and with ERR rope, even without Tingyun, she never leaves the Spectral State
Dang if you have her at E6 im pretty sure ERR rope will be the way, i seen an E6 jingliu in action and she genuinely just goes perma trans state xd
If you are. E6 just put atk rope you can finish before state out xd i have e1 and can do that actually
Nah i back to atk% is much much better. Especially when you use atk% shoes too.
Around 3k damage.☕️ enough to make a destruction.
And if you havent bronya like me use yukong but i recommended use pela instead or SW. With tingyun which allow to you spam a her Ultimate not only for buff, but also double extra damage.
Ofcourse be prepere for it jingliu can be spam in auto her ultimate before use skill so minimum 50% crit is requirement to deal enough damage without her state.
Priorities of traces: Skill>Ultimate>talent.
ATK% rope with ATK% shoes is not optimal because of diminishing returns (The more you stack ATK, the bonuses increase lesser and lesser). ATK% rope with SPD shoes is better so she can rotate faster and get her Transmigration state to activate earlier.
@@_uh._.no_ i dont care either about cycles. I havent bronya , so not have to play off the speed tuning.
Still rather atk% then speed.
And ERR rope suck for dps sadly but harsh truth.
@@_uh._.no_ but u gotta understand spd shoes dont matter when the user has bronya
what if you used the 'ERR 2pcs set for extra 5% ER plus the 19,4% i wonder how that would affect dmg and ultimate recharge,. i persoinally go for ERR myself, her build-up feels super slow
Better off just having an e6 ting for the extra 10 energy
Or get tings lc from battle pass.
6% e charge. Only downside is random rotation of that with atk% or crit dmg.
Try with the four star light cones doggo
I sadly dont have that leveled yet 😭
do healer only on diff5 swarm
I think in the end ERR build is better than ATK one, the last does more direct damage with every hit but ERR gives Jinliu more consistency and you are able to supply that lost of pure ATK into more enhanced attacks and ulti more frecuently. In other words, ERR has a slower start but once you cast your ulti the damage starts to equalize and in the next turns, because of the more frequent ulti, it surpases the pure ATK build.
no lol XD there is math behind it and atk rope is better.
@damek1388 mind explaining then?
@@masterngam DMG loss from using ERR rope > extra bursts and transmigration state.
Literally every theorycrafter recommends ATK rope.
And I say this as someone who uses an ERR rope because it's fun and both my ERR and ATK rope have 22-23% crit DMG. She's pretty strong with an ERR rope but it's objectively a DPS loss. Only time it isn't is in longer battles in simulated universe probably, in MOC it's somewhat worse.
I believe mathematically ATK does have higher ceiling, though an ERR rope with perfect substats will always top an Attack rope with bad substats. But a perfect ATK rope will likely be the best for her due to the sheer damage increase you'd get. In the vid, she definitely still did a considerable amount more damage with the attack rope so yep, i do believe the highest ceiling will still be from the attack rope 👍
@@blasianking4827 how is it a dmg loss? If you have err, you'll be able to have more skill and burst uses, which is more dmg than just an atk rope with no extra uses.
in short, if you use 2 skills with err rope, its more dmg than one skill with atk rope (ik its more uses than two and one just used to simplify things) P.S i don't mean to come off rude if thats what it sounds like, just curious
(IMPORTANT READ) i didnt read your comment all the way, i meant for longer battles btw, like if you're not doing anything important like SU or MoC then yeah i get it, atk is def better
Each time he builds her her attack gets lower lol
ERR or Atk rope really just depend on do you want to deal max damage or not
Since if you want to deal max damage you will want to hold Ulti untill you in her super mode.This is where Atk rope better since with ERR rope you still need to wait for Jing Liu to enter super mode.
If you want her super mode to have higher up time then you will want to Ulti everytime you have it. This is where ERR rope is better.
you lose 120k damage to do an instant burst. it's worth only at the end of ur run and even without err u could do it sometimes
Untrue. Jing with e rope+tingyun= 75% charge. Even higher on kill or at e6 ting
This isn't even factoring in huohuo who charge it the rest.
@@Kspice9000 What are u trying to say. who are you talking to. no one talked about what u said, do the link
Vonwacq where?
Rutilant is too perfect for her, Vonwacq will be a straight downgrade
Vonwacq could be funny just to overload her with ERR haha sadly i dont have a single vonwacq ERR rope tho rip. But yea rutilant is still very valuable on her so i thought to just use what i got :D
with atk rope you use pela instead of tingyun tho lmao
Perhaps, though initially i thought she'd need tingyun's ult charge to be consistent, with pela she could just dish out way more damage instead though you're probably right 🤔
@@GodDoggos yea, I'm no theorycrafter or anything but if you have resolution at high refinement enemies are pretty much butter waiting for you to be sliced.
@@GodDoggos u have so much kill and enh do approximatively same damage as ult so u're okay
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@@suffering9481 nuh
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Trans Liu sounds really sus...
I have about 4 err ropes of rutilent arena in my acc 🥲🥲 and only 1 hp and 2 atk ropes with decent stats. Everything else is def
i dont understand why you ld open with her ult and skip a free action, her skill gets her to transmigration state anyways
I struggle between deciding to use her E while her ult is up or using her Ult first haha, but after some research i think you are right, now i usually do her E first regardless, wasn't sure which was more worth it beforehand.