The GOOD and BAD of the 2025 Playoff Changes
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- Per Jordan Bianchi on The Teardown Podcast there will be big changes to the 2025 NASCAR Cup Series Playoff schedule. Today we look into all of it and whether or not these are the right moves for NASCAR or if they are making grace mistakes. There are some point that are both positive and negative to this. This is the good and bad of the 2025 Playoff changes.
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Do you like or dislike the new NASCAR schedule rumors?
It's okay I just wish there wasn't new Hampshire or gateway. Put Michigan and Pocono instead
Do we know if it's Nascar or SMI who put NH into the playoffs? I'd rather see Dover over NH and SMI owns both so they wouldn't really lose either way but we fans would get a far better racing product with Dover
Wish Kansas was the championship race
Will pencil in Christopher Bell to move in to whatever playoff spot is after New Hampshire next year.
I’m happy New Hampshire is in so I can go there for the playoff race
Am I the only one that doesn’t like Phoenix as the championship race? I always loved Homestead as being the last race. And I don’t think it’s just nostalgia. I like Phoenix’s dog leg and the action that comes from people running on it, but Homestead was always more action packed for me.
Edit: I totally agree about New Hampshire. It’s my home track, I’ll always have a bias towards it, but there’s a reason the September race was cut. And yes, I agree. After Sunday, they need some lighting 😂 yeah they finished it but they cut it close.
You are correct and in the majority of thinking there.
i say we move it back to atlanta when that was the ender in the 90's
Totally agree. Homestead also felt like a track where the drivers’ fate was in their hands. There is room for passing and multiple lanes if one doesn’t work for you.
@@xoanoneatlanta is for me, due to the ssw characteristic, not good to be a championship race
New Hampshire should have been a 3 race weekend
I've gone to new hampshire the last 4 years and the crowd has been packed since 2021 and more people would go saying it's the only New England race in Nascar and it'll be in the playoffs
Gateway?? Reallyy??? I loved that race the week after the 600... Pocono to the playoffs would have been better to me.
Indycar is taking the summer slot at Gateway unfortunately. They managed to do it same week of Le Mans so it’s gonna hurt both parties
If it was a night race gateway would be better in summer. Other wise weather can be to much. It was hot and the sun just beats down on that track.
@@kdoggy-ttb-33 perfectly okay with it being a night race, just loved that spot on the schedule is all
They better not remove homestead
Just for 1 season while they work on the concourse, stands and entrances.
They did
We just need 15 races at Darlington, 4 at Homestead, and 1 at Daytona.
2020 season all over again 💀👍
If that means Chase can win the championship with Kevin winning almost a third of the races, I don't see an issue with that
And for the Ugly: The fact that it still exists.
I'm ok with Homestead move if they can get a 2026 championship race. Loudon or Gateway would be fine but both feels like way too many flat tracks especially with a dry Phoenix finale. Give the fans the Charlotte oval since many hate road courses.
Charlotte would be an awesome championship race. Why does Nascar make things complicated? Charlotte is the obvious best championship race!
I will never understand the Homestead being the finale hype. I understand its where its been for most fans time of being a Nascar fan... umm same... and thats exactly why i dont want it at Homestead lol like yall want the same thing every year?
I'll be blunt: The playoffs as a whole is a crapshoot, and it's never going to be a true, legtitimate way to crown a champion to diehards anyway. So I say, make it a crapshoot, two superspeedways, two roadcourses, hell add the new detroit track. It's all about chaos and game 7 moments, so embrace the shithousery
Although you're right about the Playoffs, the problem with that idea is that legit would kill the ratings completely. Unless, that's what you're trying to go for. In which case, I still say just get rid of the Playoffs entirely, but that's just me.
One thing that helps Homestead in terms of getting the season finale in 2026 is the fact that it will host a Formula E race next year & the FIA fully expects the track to upgrade its facilities in order to host that particular event. Homestead is replacing Portland on the Formula E schedule which may end up helping Portland get a Cup Series date (which would be the first ever Cup Series race in the PNW) due to Gateway being moved into the playoffs. Even if Portland does not get a Cup Series race, I fully expect the Xfinity Series to return there next year as a way of NASCAR maintaining a presence in the PNW.
If that's the case than maybe NASCAR should use the road course, there at Homestead as the oval has the worst racing in NASCAR.
The one good thing about a late New Hampshire race, is that you might start seeing the Fall Foliage around the track.
That's a good point! I had a dream one time about a Fall/Halloween-themed short track. Benny Parsons and Bob Jenkins were commentating it. I specifically remember one part where the camera panned over to some kids smashing a pumpkin outside the track and Bob Jenkins saying "Well that was rude."
Bring Championship to Kansas. Also Roval not being an elimination race would be stupid. And a homestead championship would give it to my boy Byron LFG 😤
Kansas is just kinda cold by then. But ya I agree. Kansas is always a banger
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!
Roval needs to just go away! Charlotte puts on a damn good show now, just race the real track!
@@rebelsoul5980 the roval is so underrated it's so good
@@Me181 could have fooled me and the 10 fans that show up to it!!
Dover should’ve been the in the playoffs and not New Hampshire. You avoid weather delays and add a unique track back to the playoffs. Gateway I don’t mind for the reasons given even if it’s not an amazing race. And adding on to Homestead, another thing to mention is Formula E will race there starting next year. And assuming it’s a multi year deal I’m sure they’d love a facility upgrade.
As someone who follows Formula E closely, I think Formula E is going to give Homestead one chance to put on a good race mainly because of the backlash they have received from fans (mainly West Coast ones) about Portland being taken off of the schedule for Homestead next season. If Homestead produces a bad Formula E race after the facility upgrades, I could easily see Formula E going back to Portland for 2026.
Sitting here begging for a california speedway (Fontana) coming back 2025-2026
they already demolished it
2025 is already next year bro
Ain’t happening. It was a bait and switch
I’m pretty sure they sold the rest of the land
Wish nascar and indycar did a march doubleheader at homestead next year
I used to go to the fall New Hampshire race every year with my dad growing up until they stopped in 2017. Their were more boring races that I remember than exciting tbh. But seeing Mark Martin get his last win, okay that one was worth it.
Being a regular at Loudon, I can attest to the fact that the September race was always the preferred race among the regulars who go to Loudon due to the weather in September vs. June/July in New England. If the September race does indeed come back, the fans will show up there like you haven’t seen in 7-8 years.
As a homestead resident I hate the new change however, as a nascar fan I understand the change. still really sad to see though considering the history
My personal playoff race schedule:
Round of Sixteen:
Darlington
Atlanta
Bristol
Round of Twelve:
Phoenix
Talladega
The Roval
Round of Eight
Kansas
Gateway
Martinsville
Finale
Homestead-Miami
What is the obsession with the roval? Charlotte races great now, just race the real track!!
@@rebelsoul5980 NASCAR is likely to keep the Roval for the fall race. As much as I’d like to see the Roval be removed in favor of the Oval, I just don’t see it happening.
2nd Atlanta Date stay in Summer for Summer Night Race.
Here's my predictions as to how the Playoff schedule is laid out.
Round of 16
1. Darlington (Confirmed)
2. New Hampshire
3. Bristol Night Race
Round of 12
1. Kansas
2. Talladega
3. Charlotte Roval
Round of 8
1. Las Vegas
2. Gateway
3. Martinsville
Finale: Phoenix (Confirmed)
I would say choose between Loudon and Gateway for the Playoffs, that way there aren't too many flat ovals across the 10-race stretch. I think you make a good case for Gateway, and if you've been there in person, you know how aweseome the atmopshere is.
Next year my kiddo should be old enough to go to a race (year and a half pretty much at that time) i wish darlington, bristol or dover was my home track but im happy to have the magic mile, grew up watching dirt races in N.H and went to a couple races at London as a kid, hopefully the boy gets into racing and we can see some tracks that his great grandfather went to
Not to mention yesterday only had 6 lead changes just feel they should figure out how to have this car work on the low banking more flat tracks
You know I just thought of something when you were showing Watkins Glen. The numbers really pissed me off when they move them forward. But thinking about it now it doesn't bother me at all and they actually look good. But when they first announced that I was mad.
My only complain is, why we have FOUR flat tracks (Loudon, Gateway, Martinsville and Phoenix) i think should be more balanced, if it’s true, Christopher Bell would have the best opportunity to win the championship
Same goes for homestead with Larson. If he makes the champ 4 then he basically has it locked up. That’s part of why I don’t want it as the championship race
I would start the season a week or two later (especially if NFL adds 18th game) so that the Southern 500 can fit at the end of the regular season, but still be on Labour Day. Make Daytona 500, Coke 600, Brickyard 400, and Southern 500 worth 10 Playoff Points to the winner to emphasize the Crown Jewels, and have 2-3 short tracks, 2-3 intermediate, 2 superspeedways, and 2 road courses in the playoffs with a rotating finale.
This schedule would remind me a lot of the 2020 season, Darlington Richmond Bristol vibes. Except for a longer duration
A reason baseball is growing is facilities and hospitality. Only 25% (im my personal opinion of working in sports) actually come just for the racing. The other 75% are looking for a fun experience. Homestead hasnt had to get that other 75 because the championship factor of its races. Without it, its pulled some glaring problems. Great track. But the track doesnt sell the entirety of the grandstands. I hope once Homestead gets facilities, they can host the championship. Until then, im still begging them to move it to Kansas Speedway.
Homestead needs that extra downtime for the new renovations they are doing in preparation for the 2026 Finale! IT IS HAPPENING but in 2026 and beyond.
They really need to take advantage of the incredible racing we’re getting with the next Gen at 1.5+ racetracks! Change the Roval!
Me too @The Iceberg I’ve never liked Homestead as an attraction. Racing is great but I need more attractions and renovations like Phoenix for a Championship.
Maybe unpopular, but i think they should switch Charlottes playoff race to The Rock!!!! NC still gets their race, and us old heads get our old track back (with fresh pavement)!!!!!
1. Abolish the playoffs
2. Start the season w/ the Daytona 500 Presidents Day Weekend and finish the season Labor Day weekend at Darlington to avoid NFL
3. Abolish the Playoffs
Pocono needs to be in the playoffs. If for nothing else, because of its uniqueness.
Thats not really a good reason though.
I just wish for Texas Motor Speedway to land on June 15 for this coming season.
During Jared's speculation video last week on the playoff changes I told you all Gateway was getting a new date and you all down voted me and said I was wrong (not saying I endorse the new date, kind of neutral on it, just saying it was happening).
You all owe me an apology lol (joking I really don't care). I have a source at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway who said the reason Indycar changed their date for 2025 was because NASCAR was changing their Gateway date. I trusted my source on this one, and my source was right fools.
I like the southern 500 moving too. It being in the playoffs takes away from its focus that it is a crown jewel.
There HAS to be a crown jewel in the playoffs and it’s the only one. Glad they’re moving it back to where it deserves to be.
NASCAR really shouldn't destroy what they've had since 2022-23. An actual interesting playoff schedule. Homestead MUST be in the playoffs, so should Darlington. Those races should not be left out of the playoffs under any circumstances. Daytona should be the regular season finale.
As a St. Louis native it is true the nfl can go to hell in our eyes but depending on the date if the cardinals are in contention or in the playoffs everything else happening in this city doesn't matter
NASCAR needs to toss out the stupid playoff system period.
Homestead: loss for now sure, but w for the future perhaps
Southern 500: back as a opener is fine. Great marque venue to start the playoffs
Gateway: Okay I guess, it's great in it's current spot, so I don't think it needs playoff date, but the track is good and St. Louis market would be boosted even more, so it's fine I guess
Glen out: it will be placeholder in the playoffs to begin with, so if it returns to it's regular spot, than it's good. Same goes for Atlanta
New Hampshire: I don't know tbh, I think tracks like Dover or Pocono would be much better in my opinion (I don't know if these tracks could be on that New Hampshire slot, So correct me if I'm wrong)
The Charlotte Roval should get the Axe Considering Watkins Glen is now in the Playoffs
Should of thrown nashville or a different smi tracks over ethier gateway or new Hampshire do feel wasn't bad race yesterday but feel it showed that the short track package works on decent banked high speed tracks and not more flat tracks hope they can fine a way to fix it over changing it for all tracks cause iowa was crazy to show what kind of good can come from the package but all the other tracks are to flat to make the car work with the package
I wish New Hampshire would just get off the schedule overall. It's my least favorite.
Yeah I appreciate New Hampshire for its uniqueness but overall its ass
I was at New Hampshire it should be back in the Chase
I would have rather seen Dover added back into the playoffs than New Hampshire. Pocono also would have been a better option. I really hope that Miami becomes the final race again though in 2026.
Definitely need to get rid of the Charlotte Roval all together. Turn the second Daytona race into the road course there. It was good the Covid year. Definitely not two super speedways in the playoffs, it’s just ridiculous. The finale needs to be 400 miles wherever they go.
300 or 312 miles is not long enough and the short track package is crap so the finale must be at a 1 1/2 track every time.
Well, when it comes to what Jordan Bianchi said about the possible changes to the playoffs in 2025, here's what I have to say about them: 1st, for Homestead, I really don't like the idea of it being removed from the playoffs next year because I had gotten used to seeing it return to the playoffs the last two years even though I still miss it hosting championship weekend, but with what we've been hearing about how they're pushing to have Homestead host championship weekend in 2026, I might be all right with it and I would like to see Homestead take place after the Daytona 500, similar to what they did in 2021 during the pandemic. 2nd, when it comes to New Hampshire, it was originally part of the playoffs from 2004-2017 and it would be a return to the playoffs for that track, but I would rather keep it in July and give Dover another shot in the playoffs. And finally, as far as Gateway goes, I'm 50/50 on that one. All-in-all, in the end, that's all I've got to say, so goodbye!
Defienitly a no go on giving Dover another shot. It was boring just like New Hampshire was and no I don't want to hear the weather excuse.
I like the rumors
Homestead low attendance:; Florida doesn’t go to venues., Marlins and Rays are low attendance. If the tv #’s shows there a draw enjoy it while you can
Personally I would rather not have the stupid playoffs, but since we are stuck with them have it end at a different track every year. One year it is at North Wilkesboro, then the next at Bristol, then at Charlotte, etc.
I will accept the hate but New Hampshire which is 1 hour 15 minutes from Boston and 3 hours from New York City deserves 2 races and at least 1 playoff date. Ever since my first race attending in the late 2000s I have seen the neglect and cost cutting that has been detrimental to the customer. I wish the individuals who owned it cared about it as much as I do and remember what it was. Now I had a son and he will be 1 year old in a couple weeks and it gets harder to travel to different tracks. One can hope I suppose.
Still don't understand what renovations are needed at Homestead. It was completely fine hosting the championship for almost 20 years, and once other tracks get renovated, that automatically means Homestead needs to be upgraded too? All I can think of are the bathrooms and turn 1 grandstands. What else needs to be done? I know I shouldn't complain about getting renovations done.
I'm cool new tracks getting a playoff date. Happy for Watkins Glen this year & Gateway next year. New Hampshire I'm concerned about because it's not one of NASCAR's best tracks. If they get a playoff race for a few years then great, but I"m hoping it's not for that long. Our schedule is made up of so many different tracks, that I think it's crazy to assume having an extra road course or plate race makes the whole playoff system a crapshoot.
The internet signal needs to improve at Homestead.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld Tell me about it! Back in 1997 the internet signal was so much bett-...Oh wait.
I hate the schedule. Why don’t they bring Kentucky back or Chicago land? And I can’t believe they tore down California.
As much as I would hate to have Homestead not be in the playoffs, I can completely understand the reasoning behind getting the place renovated so that it can officially return as the championship venue. In which case, I would say go for it. The others, I'm not so keen about. Unless NASCAR gives them wet weather tires at every short track without slicks, where the weather has pause the tires wear as Extreme as they were in Bristol, what's the point?
I like it. The playoffs races should consistently change and not remain consistent. That will help keep it fresh and create further parity which means more satisfied fans. The casual fans that is because we all know the diehards will complain no matter what but the casuals are the ones that ultimately matter the most. That's what all the other stick and ball sports have learned and why they're seeing huge increase in ratings and attendance. Especially baseball. Tradition doesn't mean much anymore to people, people want to be entertained and they want change that will bring more entertainment. Staying the same is not how you do that.
Not really changing the playoff races doesn't really do anything. I don't even know why people are even asking for a Dover playoff race when it was pretty much a snoozefest every season. If anything put good tracks in the playoffs and keep it that way.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld Wrong, but you're entitled to believe whatever you want.
Oh PLEASE don't let Phoenix be the last race of the year anymore. Put Homestead back or bring the final race to Charlotte. I'm begging you, NASCAR.
They need 1 road courses in the playoff in 2025
Please return the old points system 1975-2003
with all the flat ovals going into the playoffs next year its like they are trying to give Bell the Championship since he is the one that generally dominates them. Not the reason they are doing but if any year was Bell's year to win the Championship it will be next year.
Leave Homestead alone!
If this is going to be real, I hope NASCAR takes massive swings with the cup car to fix the car to create better racing.
Love Gateway getting some love. Granted I'm biased because I live only a couple miles from the track and pass it every day going to and from work.
Honestly, Homestead is one if my absolute favourite classic ovals
Why do people hate road course racing? It’s the ticket to younger, more global fan base smh
I like we’re Loudon is because it’s my birthday so it would suck a lot because I couldn’t go on my birthday
Whatever...I will still be watching it.
I want homestead back as the championship finale because racing at Phoenix for two races each year which can get very boring a big fan of gateway in the playoffs but I prefer just keeping it in June not a big fan of New Hampshire as the second race of the first round of the playoffs I don't know what is NASCAR thinking but I would love to see homestead back as the championship finale race because Phoenix every year can get very boring especially you have two races each year One race in spring and then One race in the fall
Rather watch a boring road course race over a boring oval any day..with the exception of darlington being added..all choices are not wise..hopefully this a sign nascar might mix it up more in playoff in years too come if we have too deal with it next year.
BRING BACK CHICAGOLAND
I just want the playoffs gone. This shit system is currently the biggest cancer holding the sport down.
Why do people pay this much attention to schedule? Who cares whether a specific track is a 5th or 35th race of the reason? Would the race at New Hampshire been better later in a year than it was yesterday?
New Hampshire is just an ass track. Had to force myself to watch it yesterday just to find out today its gonna be in the playoffs... should be removed from the season entirely
Of course after I told myself I'm done watching new hampshire, they move it to the playoffs. CBell guaranteed a win
I agree with you! Unfortunately the playoffs are here to stay, so NASCAR seems to be at least making an attempt at bridging the division between us purists, and new fans. When NASCAR is at least trying to make an effort, by listening to the fanbase, reacting accordingly, EVERYONE wins!
No 2nd race for Dover is disappointing. Dover in the fall is awesome back in the day. Kick out New Hampshire. That track is boring asf
No it wasn't the 2nd Dover race was boring as usual with the Dover fall race.
Not feeling those changes.
Until we can get rid of the monarchy that runs nascar, I don't see any improvement in the sports future.
Homestead has been boring in the NexGen car. Why do people keep saying Homestead puts on great racing because it hadn’t especially in the last five years.
That’s what I’m saying. 5th best intermediate at best and not even top ten in best tracks list
I say maybe SMI should swap the second Vegas race in the Playoffs for North Wilkesboro. A comeback of North Wilkesboro with a points-paying race would be landmark. I think north Wilkesboro has made a case for a points-paying date with its hosting of the All-Star Race. Plus, the Las Vegas race has had low attendance especially last October. Maybe we should not be having a race in Las Vegas in the middle of football season, and maybe Las Vegas does not need two dates.
All I want to see is Homestead be the finale again in 2026
its eh, homested needs to be the champ race, if nascar gets rid of the roval, the glen needs to stay, instead of adding New Hampshire i think Pocono or Michigan would be a better fit
I’m thinking nascar knows something we don’t in terms of short track packaging for next year
@@nicholasking7120 they know thats its gonna suck until they add horse power
I’m for the championship race rotating every year 2-3 years. I love homestead but it should change every other year except Daytona or Talladega or a road course
A Road course wouldn't be too Bad but none of the road courses have lights so.
Roval needs to go
You need two roadcources in the playoffs
Gateway is a great track, and with the Indy date for June already established, clearly Gateway is going to be a playoff track for NASCAR. I approve.
I live in Miami and know personally the contractors who booked the Miami speedway job. It will be back permanently for the finals 2026 or 27
I think that they should do it like the
Super Bowl. Have it changed it every year.
Flat tracks in the playoffs gee thanks nascar. New Hampshire was considered the worst race of the year before Texas motor became so unpopular, sorry but until there’s additional power in these cars flat tracks can be alright racing now but they need better. Ffs nascar bring back the rock, come to pikes peak international, abandon cAlIFoRnIA wet dreams y’all seem stuck on. Come further south. Add summer 8-10 mini “summer heat” seasons with weekday night 150-250 mile events at local .5-.75 mile tracks. They can’t say it’s not big enough for nascar when the stands are empty most the time anyways.
Homestead just needs renovation. Put some millions into it then bring the finale back. If Phoenix continues to shaft fans with two date a year, there is zero reason for it being the finale. Personally think Charlotte should be the championship race
Complete trash. We race on, what, 6 flat ovals a year (2 x PHX, 2 x MTNVL, NHMS, Gateway)? Yet they will make up 40% of the playoffs?! NHMS sucks. Sorry. It just does. Gateway doesn’t do much for me either. The 2025 playoffs look like they may easily be the most boring ever. Even ‘Dega and its fuel mileage racing has gotten boring.
I promise, I’m not typically a pessimist, but this news is depressing.
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I hate Homestead-Miami. The races (especially during the next gen era) have been reallly bad. Boring and god awful, and I hope this is the beginning of the end for Homestead-Miam
Another year with Phoenix being the championship race is boring. Homestead being taken away is awful. It’s one of the best tracks in NASCAR. It being replaced with New Hampshire is a terrible move.
Homestead needs to be renovated
Why ? Why Phoenix???!!!!?? I’ve never seen a compelling argument other than money that Phoenix is the championship determining race. Yuck
Winston Cup points
i seen another comment which i agree with
CHARLOTTE FINALE
Keep the points system, get rid of the stupid playoff format and go back to regionally-based scheduling. That's all that needs to happen.
Lifelong NASCAR fan here..I've became so disillusioned by the current format for how a champion is crowned in our sport that the track lineup for the playoffs kinda doesn't even matter. Fake champions. Last year Willy B. had the best year but Blaney got hot at the end . Had the worst average finish in the history of nascar champions. All of 'em. 2020 being the most egregious of all years with this fugazzi format.
Homestead is a better track than lameass Phoenix