Great video and info many thanks. My wife has the full Ortlieb and I have the full Apidura setup and over the last two summers we've done around 5k around Europe with them. We also find the fitting to be fiddly however it's not as bad as you've experienced. I'd say a lot of it is to do with the bike setup and how well the bags are packed and fitted. We've had zero issues with ours and are very happy with them. It did take us a few rides to get things sorted and to work out where to put things and in what bags. The seat bags do take time to pack and need to be packed tightly to reduce the swaying. I found they don't sway much if tightly packed and strapped onto the bike. We've seen a few along the way that were wagging like a dogs tail and it was always due to being poorly packed and fitted. The handlebar bags are fairly easy to fit and we find the ORTLIEB harder to fit than the Apidura, this is due to the handlebar arrangement as my wife uses a Jones bar bag which makes fitting the bag a touch tricky. My Apidura goes well onto my handlebars and I'm using a Redshift Kitchen Sink bar. I'd agree these bags are expensive however the service and support I had from Apidura when I broke a few clips was exceptional and I had my bag repaired and returned to Italy within two weeks, which was amazing. It's a shame there's no easy way to test these bags out on your bike before you buy them as they are expensive and it really is dependant upon the setup to how well they work.
To summarize your comment: he’s shite at packing and it’s his fault the saddle bag sways. Could have just cut to the chase instead of beating around the bush by saying as much in but in such polite sentences. I mean ultimately it doesn’t matter if you’re very polite or not really polite, if what you’re doing is blaming him lol
Thank you so much Matthew. I am planing to buy a bikepacking setup in the coming weeks. Apidura was on top of my list, but your review shed a new light on the subject. By the way, your vlogs on your Norway bike trip were extraordinary, to say the least. Keep it up, I love your content.
I've finally decided to move from the traditional pannier set up to bike packing and need all the info I can get so many thanks for this informative video, some very useful tips!
Thank you Matthew! I'm currently buying my gear for a trip to China cycling on the Silk Road. I couldn't decide between the handlebar bags from Apidura and Restrap. Your review and recommendation helped me a lot!
Sub/view count aren't a measure of quality; this video is a prime example. I wish you all the success with the channel/whatever you put yourself into! Have a good yin!
I ride a lot and just got my first new gravelbike. I'm gonna start with bikepacking and Canyon (I've got the Grizzle) has a 'special' range of bags from Apidura. Now I know that I also have to look for some other options.This video is very usefull to me....many thanks!!!
Hi Matthew. Great informative video! I wish I saw it earlier. I just returned from my very first bikingpacking ride (Germany north-to-south), also on a Canyon (SLX Endurace) and I also splurged and bought the complete Apidura Expedition bag set. My experience was the same as yours. The rear seat bag was good, but I did not like the swinging and constantly having to tighten it up. Frame bag was great. The Apidura Handlebar bag was a disaster. Like you, I just could not get it to sit right. It rubbed my front wheel, and even worse, the lower clip for the accessory bag was rubbing on my carbon frame (the head tube). Had I not protected my frame with tape and clear wrap before the journey, this bag would have seriously rubbed through the carbon head tube and destroyed my frame! After 3-4 days, the tape protection was ground through and the clip was already scuffing off the first layer of my frame. Unbelievable. I will now look into your recommendation for a better and cheaper solution to the handlebar bag. Thanks for that! Another thing most videos don't talk about is how any bikepacking bag is rough on the bike's paint. If you want your bike to look nice afterwards, without the bags, you have to wrap or tape the frame up in a big way. Happy Trails!
Hi, thanks for for spending time writing your review and it's interesting to hear you had the same problems as me. The handlebar design is terrible! And very good point regarding tape on the frame. I will mention that in my next bikepacking video. Safe travels!
@@matthewnorway Hey there. I have the exact same problem with the Apidura Handlebar bag as you two guys have. It's just not possible to properly fix it onto the handlebar especially when you have additional gear on your handlebar like a bell or a bike computer as the straps just can't be repositioned to another spot like on most other bags. I never had any problems with the bag hanging down too much so it rubs on the front wheel, but as you mentioned, it will slowly grind off layer by layer of your head tube if you don't protect it well with some tape. I think another good solution in addition to using a harness would be to use a bag which comes with some kind of spacers made out of a foam-like material to make room between the handlebar and the bag, like the handlebar bag from Ortlieb does for instance. Maybe I should have picked that one instead.
Matthew, some great tips here mate! In fact, I wish I'd seen this a couple of years ago before I went and spent a motza and kitted out both my bike and my wife's bike with Ortlieb bags after a friend recommended the brand. Now, Ortlieb are a great, high quality brand but expensive and I've had some similar issues like you too. Like you, I would also recommend that if you're just starting out in bikepacking, take time to do your research and due diligence with different brands, styles of bags, whether you can improvise, use racks like the Tailfins, etc. Setting up for bikepacking can get quite expensive so the last thing you want to do is spend money on gear only to find out later they're not ideal for you for some reason.
So much experience, arguments and tips packed in one video! If only all CZcams video's where like this! It would save a maximiser like me a lot of time ;)
That setup for 1-2 month trips is the first bikepacking setup i have seen that does not include panniers, and still looks like it could be big enough for my needs..! But packs like that are expensive, and IMO, a couple of rear panniers are also a good option for bikepacking. I believe my panniers cost around 90€, and they really do the trick for me. They are 100% waterproof, very rugged - and i can EASILY fit my 2 person tent, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, and the big "25 series" trangia cook system, in just 1 of my panniers. This leaves me plenty of space for solar panels, extra clothes, food, etc. I also have 5 smaller bags for convenience, so i can easily reach my waterbottle, snacks, disinfectant, waterfilter, GPS, tools, some very basic "first aid", etc. The only thing i want to change is to add a bag for the handlebars, so i can balance my weight a little more.
I agree, Espen, panniers are good and usually very waterproof, easy to pack large items and a simple set up. It seems like you have a very good system in place. However, Panniers are the traditional bike touring set up and the major downside to them is they lack any form of aerodynamics which reduces your average bike speed considerably. For some people, this is not important, and like you have pointed out there are many advantages to your type of setup especially if you want to take extra items.
@@matthewnorway Yeah, i seem to remember that air resistance was noticeable, but not really a big issue for me who use a MTB, and only get high speeds when its downhill, LOL! Average Joes like me, who already have a set of camping gear that they really like, may have to resort to panniers to fit their gear. I guess i could fit it in some bikepacking bags too - but then i would have to ditch the sleeping bag to make room for a bread XD
I've been searching for so long to have this quality of information and for those of us, looking for the first attempt to bikepacking this video is pure gold. Thanks for the best and honest review ever... it's just so refreshing to hear from your experience.
I highly rate my Ortlieb seat pack (11l). When it’s tightened down, it hardly sways from side to side at all. I also have the Ortlieb top tube bag, and don’t recommend it; it’s too wide, and my knees hit it when I’m out of the saddle.
I was just about to buy everything from apidura, but you cured that hahaha thank you:) and i have the canyon grail al 7 no mounting for a rack is a bit of a pain
Thank you very much for the Bike gear review! I laughed so hard and enjoyed it so much. Your comment on the handle bar bag was so good! Thank you very much for a very very informative video!
Detailed video, I like it. Doing Nordkapp - Lindesnes next summer and def going to take with me some of these tips. Just bought the bag-set from Topeak for the same price as your frontloader, hehe. Also, keep it up with your videos, they are hilarious and amazing!
Hi Snorre, good to hear, the Topeak range looks good. Top brand, good prices 👍. Safe travels with your epic journey next summer and thanks for your feedback!
Thank you for the tips! I have Canyon Grail too... just started collecting my bikepacking gear. Luckily I didn't buy all Apidura bags, they cost me a bomb. Cheers!
If you lack attachment points for a rear rack, the Tailfin (made in Europe) set up has a replacement option for your rear axle (qr or thru) to which their rack will then attach. Pretty cool, though they ain't giving them away!
I think the flip-top style handle bar bags (BXB, Zeitgeist, etc) are the way to go. Not as waterproof, but just use a dry bag or ziplocs inside. I have a Zeitgeist and I love it. Not cheap tho... My bike also has no rear rack attachment points, but I found that the West Biking rack on Amazon is quite good and only about $30. It's definitely much better than the Thule. The only issue is to make sure you protect your seat stays with heavy duty packing tape, helicopter tape, etc!
I have the dreaded Apidura handlebar bag but I have straight bars so doesn't really get in the way. Yes, it does have a tendency to drop slightly so you have to make sure the straps are tightened every now and then.
I found Apidura to be waste of money. But tailfinn great. Sure, more expensive, but only in relation to other attachments, not in relation to other things. Rock solid and can take stuff on/off in 1 second.
I'll just use a bike trailer, throw everything into the bike trailer, done. Yes some people say it's harder to cycle with a trailer, maybe it is, I don't care, it's easy to pack and makes every bike into an touring bike.
Great video, definitely deserves more views,many issues with bikepacking bags addressed. I had some of the same thoughts you mentioned, especially having that rear rack for extra food and water,or heavier items as the saddle bags can carry very little weight.
@@Temporalplace I am only guessing now, but I would assume that the saddlebag would sag and if it is not a quality bag the straps would probably start to come lose. Just guessing though, only owned a saddlebag that could just fit a spare tube :)
Just discovered your channel - very interesting and helpful. I have a Revelate top tube bag which has a magnetic flap - ideal to put my GoPro in; I can remove it with one hand and close the flap. I tried the zip closure Apidura top tube bag and the zip sticks - and I agree it's over-priced; I sold it. Great content!
I’ve always liked to use panniers on a rear rack instead of buying new expensive component bags. Lately I try to avoid as many zipperd bike packing bags as the zippers fail due to dust and dirt getting into their workings. A roll top frame bag is my preference though finding one is difficult to find which holds gear without too much bulging. The bar type stash bags are excellent for alternative water bottle holders (frame bags) and energy bars. Once at a campsite watch out for squirrels tearing apart stash bag or top tube bags to get at snacks, I’ve lost 2 bags because of these thieves. 17:53
This was perfect! So useful. I've been looking for something other than Ortleib bags (only because of cost) and now I'm going to try the dry bags. Thanks!!
Old school with carradice panniers takes all my gear and clothes and after all these years gone back to a saddlebag for food. etc so accessible , also a bar bag. Not better just different but a lot neater than the modern alternatives I think.
For the handle bar bag (mine is from ortlieb but it pretty much looks the same) I can recommend some cheap aero bars helps you to get aero without going into the drops if there is no space and you can use extra straps for securing them and holding them in place really good for small riders im 1,64m or like 5,4 feet tall so trust me I know these issues I also heard good thinks about Zefal I only have the saddle bag from them but its pretty good relativley cheap, still waterproof and really robust only downside it weighs a bit more then the really premium ones but for less then half the price I think its fine also top tube bags from Deuter and SKS are really good can recomend cheap and good quality PS thanks for the advice on the 6liter frame bag I was looking to buy that one for a while now but wasnt quite sure
I have the Apidura saddle bag, bar bag and top tube bag. I don’t know what the life span of them is supposed to be but within 5 years every piece has failed. First to go was the bar bag a huge section delaminated but Apidura was great and sent a replacement very quickly. Next was the top tube bag which the zipper failed. Last was the saddle bag where literally every seam has failed. Maybe it was too old as I contacted Apidura and they said that was normal wear. I ended up going to decathlon and getting their version of Tenacious Tape which I used on ever seam. I still use the bags, and like them but I think I might go with another when this set is unusable.
Good Tips and Insides, really valuable BUT I missed the front fork adapters you pulled your sea to summit bags on. Can you provide me with some information?
HI! My girlfriend and I are planning a tour from Oslo-Bergen this summer- so your videoes are a good inspiration. We plan to cycle through Os rather than take the terrible tunnels you filmed - maybe even take the bus or something down Måbødalen because I only own a road bike. Do you have any extra tips/ tricks especially for this trip? We cycled Ålesund-Bergen along the coast in 2020 . Waterproof packingbags is a little obsolete in my opinion. I would rather use pack things in joker-bags or similar. and put it in a unwaterproof bag. They're light- and you're safe if you get something like a wet tent inside, or you have to pack a wet og sweaty rainjacket inside the pack when the sun occasionally visits - a little tip i learned as a conscript soldier :)
You can take a bus through the tunnels at Måbødale. The old road is closed but a lot of cyclists go through it and climb over the rock slide area. You can skip death road 7 and take the long but much safer road 48 (heading southwest from the ferry at Tørvikbygd). www.cyclenorway.com/services
@@matthewnorway I got mine recently and don't find it difficult to put on the bike ? Maybe yours was much heavier. About the possible fall on the wheel, didn't had the problem, but no long distance for now. It seems the fixations and strong enough and it doesn't move. I hope it will be okay in harder conditions !
I see you’re point Matt. They certainly reduce your options but I find the benefits out way the negatives. However, one solution is to add aerobars for an extra hand placement which seems to be coming more popular.
Hard to disagree with your logic arrived at with long term experience. I’m bikepack shopping at the moment and will certainly be looking at Apidura in a different light. Just because it’s British isn’t enough. Thank you
Great video, it helped me a lot to choose my bikepacking gear! My gravelbike comes already with holes for rack on the back, on this situation would you go for saddle bag or rack with bag left bag right on your max setup? Thanks in advance!!
Thank you for your honest review and tips Matthew. I'm planning on doing a cycle to summit tour and thought of the same solution, rack and waterproof backpack (for the hike). What is the name of the blue backpack you showed near the end of the video? Many thanks!
Thanks for this video - so helpful! It would be great to see how you attached the Woho food bags to your Grail. I have one of the Wobo and an Orocase and have been trying to figure out a good way to attach one or both. And your top tube bag, is it only attached to the top tube? If so, doesn't it tend to flop to one side? I have the Grail as well (in 2XS) and am working toward a good set up for a two week ride later this summer. Cheers!
Yes my tube bag is only attached to my top tube I then use the strap at the front to attach my Woho food pouches to it. It kind of balances out all the bags well and keeps everything secure. But it's too hard to explain exactly how I do it.
Thank you for the video. Since i also have the Grail CF(SLX) and I would like to start into bikepacking, i'm wondering if the carbon frame of the Grail and specially of the SLX version is really strong enough for the rear carrier. Even Canyon has no clearance for it. For how long are you using it by now? Have you had any problems so far?
I only use the rear rack option as an extra capacity thing. Usually I don’t have more than 5kg on it. Most of my weight goes in my saddle and frame bags. I wouldn’t recommend anything over 10kg. But if in doubt contact Canyon. I’ve had no problems with 5kg.
Unfortunately you’re very limited to what rack will fit on the grail. The one most people use is called Tailfin (fully carbon) and very light/stylish. But they’re not cheap! www.tailfin.cc/product/pannier-racks/x-series-pannier-rack/
Morning Matthew. Really enjoy your videos. What straps do you recommend? I think you use some straps on their own just to reinforce or tighten down certain bags. Thanks!
thanks for the honest opinion! superb! immediately left a like and a sub for your channel. should have much more views. what do you say about ortlieb stuff? also in comparison to apidura? Greetings from germany
Ortlieb is made in Germany so has better quality than Apidura. The waterproofing is top quality on both brands. Price range is similar. I'm a big fan of mixing brands. If I was to choose out of the two I would have a Ortlieb handlebar bag (better straps), frame bag from Apidura and saddle bag from Ortlieb (more up to date, still waiting for Apidura to update their range perhaps this year??)
Thanks for this video! How did you manage to mount the Sea to Summit bags with "Lash Loops" to the front fork? I have a Canyon Grail CF8 with no screw mounting options on front and im really looking forward to a solution... Does it hold when you just use tight straps?
@@matthewnorway Is your fork made out of carbon? Second option but same here, maybe to much force for thin carbon fork: www.vaude.com/en-GB/Equipment/Bike-Bags/Frame-bags/Trailmulti-Frame-bag?number=142980510
Expensive is relative: one night in a hotel in Norway costs already more than one of these bags :) If the bike has got holes for a solid mounting of a rack then panniers is a much cleaner solution, isn't it? They are hanging low, don't influence steering, don't get in the way with knees and hands like frame bags, top tube bags and handle bar bags do, and don't swaying as much as a big saddle bag.
As you point out Stefan there are many advantages to a pannier set up. However, the biggest downside is the wind drag. I find I can cycle up to 4km/h more with a Bikepacking set up. But if I'm going on a long trip (several months) I would take panniers for all the reasons you write.
@@matthewnorway Wow, that's interesting, 4km/h is a lot. I thought the extra weight when bike packing is the biggest drag, as you feel the tiniest uphill section. So I haven't worried too much about wind drag. But then for sure I am not at your fitness level either. Keep up your good content!
Thanks. Really useful. I have the Canyon Grail WMN CF7.0 and hoping to do some bikepacking. Have struggled a bit with finding packs but ended up with Restrap and Apidura and battling a bit with the Topeak bar bag. The bike is size XS so not much room. Think it will work but need some decent length straps with easy buckles/preferably that clip shut, not thread through. What straps do you have round your fork bags? and to secure say a small bag on top of the bar bag? Hard to find the right thing online. And what is the cage called on your forks- how have you attached the cage? . Thanks
@rutdoc Hi, glad you found the video useful! Fork bags were attached using Topeak Versacage. Excellent product, with straps and even comes with rubber protection around the clamps to prevent paint damage. www.topeak.com/global/en/products/288-Bikepacking-Series/1129-VERSACAGE When it comes to a small bag on top of the bar bag. You are kind of forced into buying the same brand as the bar bag itself. My small Apidura bag has clips that connect into the Apidura handlebar bag. No other bag would attach to it. It's all a bit of a rip off really. That's why I like the Restart bar bag as it includes a small bag as standard.
Best tip I've ever heard is major maintenance and upgrades should be done the night before heading out on ultra long rides, this way the new bits are fresh and fast.
That doesn't sound like a great plan at all. What if you suddenly find you need another component or tool? What if your shiny new piece of kit just doesn't work? Asking for a massive headache if you ask me.
Is it mountainous or flat? what sort of roads - single tracks, gravel, paved? If it's mountainous you want to reduce your weight. If it's mainly off road you'll need to ensure things aren't sticking out on them narrow single tracks and weight is evenly distributed. If the terrain is coastal and wide open to wind be as aero as possible. If your cycling through a dessert ensure you have extra water capacity. Etc Etc.
Great video Matthew! I realise I'm a bit late commenting on this video, but I love that we have made pretty much exactly the same mistakes with the Apidura setup and Thule rack. I went for the whole Apidura setup at premium prices just like you, and quickly realised that some bags were great and some bags were terrible. I also chose the same Thule rack as you and I am equaly disappointed with it. I am currently mostly using the full frame bag and the saddle bag on shorter trips, same model and capacity as yours. For longer trips I use the fork bags as well and an Ortlieb Ulitmate six plus handlebar bag. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but they are awesome. A lot less fiddly once you mount it and so easy to access. Bit less capacity and quite pricy, but I love it so much. last year i bought a new bike with mounts for a normal rear rack. Unfortunately I discovered that sleeping in a tent is just not my thing on longer expeditions, so I mostly sleep in campsite cabins, motels and hotels at a much higher price. The befit is that I mostly don't have to bring as much as you do, so I mostly don't use a rear rack. Keep up the good work and keep making great informative videos. I'm drawing a lot of inspiration from your trips and hope to copy some of your routes this summer!
Most people who complain about "made in China" have no idea what that means. I believe this guy is one. Made in China is fine, or it can be. What you do not want is DESIGNED IN CHINA or made in China with no western oversight.
how long have u traveled with bikepacking gear and with ur full carbon bike? Is carbon a bit bad for longer trips? I would appreciate for your answer. :) great video!
I have used it for 3 years. Canyon grail is designed to be used as a bikepacking bike but you must limit the weight to where the frame can handle it. On the forks my max was 2-3kg and the back (rear rack) was about 5-8kg. I mention in my canyon grail video that if you're going on long trips then getting a touring bike is a better option. czcams.com/video/5A_tYKt_K7o/video.html
That info is on the video. I don’t recommend the one I used and it is difficult to find a rear rack that fits onto a cabin frame. If I had a good rear rack it would work well with the seat pack.
Hello, very nice video. I am planning to start traveling buy bicycle for a long period. Actually i don't wanna have specific return day. I don't have experience. I am learning these months slowly slowly. I am looking for bags this period and i was looking for pannier bags but i se le that many people, you as well recommend this kind. Is it better than pannier or just because you like more?
Panniers are more practical, easier to pack and can store more gear. Bikepacking bags are lighter, more aero, and better for traveling at speed and covering a lot of distance in a day. If you don’t have experience and are planning on cycling for a long period panniers are probably a better option for you.
Hi Matthew, I really liked this video. Very informative. You're competent and funny too. I live in Finland and planning to do my first bike packing trip next summer and waterproof bags is the way! I'm thinking about having a mixed Restrap/Apidura setup. With Restrap harness/bag on the handlebar and Apidura frame bags (love Restrap styling but I need waterproofing). What do you recommend as saddle bag? The Apidura seems more robust than the Restrap, but I like the idea to take the dry bag out of the harness into the tent/accommodation. Thank you!
Hi Marcello, that sounds like a good system! Restrap's poor waterproof quality is what puts me off their saddlebag too! If I was buying a new saddle bag I would probably buy the Revelate Designs Spinelock 16L. It's at the top price end but won awards and completely stops any rocking moment with an ingenious bracket system. Nevertheless, that rear harness system is certainly practical and the Blackburn Outpost Elite Universal is a good alternative to Restrap with better waterproofing. Have fun on your first Bikepacking trip this summer!
@@matthewnorway what do you mean with poor waterproofing, that the dry bags leak or that they’re easy to rip? Thanks for telling me about the Revelate and Blackburn, didn’t know them
@@marcellopacifici sorry poor choice of word. The restrap is sightly ‘less’ waterproof than some other brands. If it rains heavy you might find a bit of dampness in the restrap bags. But overall I’ve heard very good things about them and I’m certainly looking into buying the handlebar bag myself. I usually store my roll mat and sleeping bag in the front and they both come in waterproof liners so restrap would work perfectly.
@@matthewnorway thank you so much for your point of view mate! I'm replying from my iPhone while watching your Norway trip videos on the laptop! Just one more video, then I go out riding :)
Great video and info many thanks. My wife has the full Ortlieb and I have the full Apidura setup and over the last two summers we've done around 5k around Europe with them. We also find the fitting to be fiddly however it's not as bad as you've experienced. I'd say a lot of it is to do with the bike setup and how well the bags are packed and fitted. We've had zero issues with ours and are very happy with them. It did take us a few rides to get things sorted and to work out where to put things and in what bags.
The seat bags do take time to pack and need to be packed tightly to reduce the swaying. I found they don't sway much if tightly packed and strapped onto the bike. We've seen a few along the way that were wagging like a dogs tail and it was always due to being poorly packed and fitted. The handlebar bags are fairly easy to fit and we find the ORTLIEB harder to fit than the Apidura, this is due to the handlebar arrangement as my wife uses a Jones bar bag which makes fitting the bag a touch tricky. My Apidura goes well onto my handlebars and I'm using a Redshift Kitchen Sink bar. I'd agree these bags are expensive however the service and support I had from Apidura when I broke a few clips was exceptional and I had my bag repaired and returned to Italy within two weeks, which was amazing. It's a shame there's no easy way to test these bags out on your bike before you buy them as they are expensive and it really is dependant upon the setup to how well they work.
To summarize your comment: he’s shite at packing and it’s his fault the saddle bag sways. Could have just cut to the chase instead of beating around the bush by saying as much in but in such polite sentences. I mean ultimately it doesn’t matter if you’re very polite or not really polite, if what you’re doing is blaming him lol
Thank you so much Matthew. I am planing to buy a bikepacking setup in the coming weeks. Apidura was on top of my list, but your review shed a new light on the subject. By the way, your vlogs on your Norway bike trip were extraordinary, to say the least. Keep it up, I love your content.
I've finally decided to move from the traditional pannier set up to bike packing and need all the info I can get so many thanks for this informative video, some very useful tips!
Your welcome!
Thank you Matthew! I'm currently buying my gear for a trip to China cycling on the Silk Road. I couldn't decide between the handlebar bags from Apidura and Restrap. Your review and recommendation helped me a lot!
Sub/view count aren't a measure of quality; this video is a prime example.
I wish you all the success with the channel/whatever you put yourself into!
Have a good yin!
I ride a lot and just got my first new gravelbike. I'm gonna start with bikepacking and Canyon (I've got the Grizzle) has a 'special' range of bags from Apidura. Now I know that I also have to look for some other options.This video is very usefull to me....many thanks!!!
Hi Matthew. Great informative video! I wish I saw it earlier. I just returned from my very first bikingpacking ride (Germany north-to-south), also on a Canyon (SLX Endurace) and I also splurged and bought the complete Apidura Expedition bag set. My experience was the same as yours. The rear seat bag was good, but I did not like the swinging and constantly having to tighten it up. Frame bag was great. The Apidura Handlebar bag was a disaster. Like you, I just could not get it to sit right. It rubbed my front wheel, and even worse, the lower clip for the accessory bag was rubbing on my carbon frame (the head tube). Had I not protected my frame with tape and clear wrap before the journey, this bag would have seriously rubbed through the carbon head tube and destroyed my frame! After 3-4 days, the tape protection was ground through and the clip was already scuffing off the first layer of my frame. Unbelievable.
I will now look into your recommendation for a better and cheaper solution to the handlebar bag. Thanks for that!
Another thing most videos don't talk about is how any bikepacking bag is rough on the bike's paint. If you want your bike to look nice afterwards, without the bags, you have to wrap or tape the frame up in a big way.
Happy Trails!
Hi, thanks for for spending time writing your review and it's interesting to hear you had the same problems as me. The handlebar design is terrible! And very good point regarding tape on the frame. I will mention that in my next bikepacking video. Safe travels!
@@matthewnorway Hey there. I have the exact same problem with the Apidura Handlebar bag as you two guys have. It's just not possible to properly fix it onto the handlebar especially when you have additional gear on your handlebar like a bell or a bike computer as the straps just can't be repositioned to another spot like on most other bags. I never had any problems with the bag hanging down too much so it rubs on the front wheel, but as you mentioned, it will slowly grind off layer by layer of your head tube if you don't protect it well with some tape.
I think another good solution in addition to using a harness would be to use a bag which comes with some kind of spacers made out of a foam-like material to make room between the handlebar and the bag, like the handlebar bag from Ortlieb does for instance. Maybe I should have picked that one instead.
@@matthewnorway Oh and by the way... great review. I very much enjoyed watching it.
Matthew, some great tips here mate! In fact, I wish I'd seen this a couple of years ago before I went and spent a motza and kitted out both my bike and my wife's bike with Ortlieb bags after a friend recommended the brand. Now, Ortlieb are a great, high quality brand but expensive and I've had some similar issues like you too. Like you, I would also recommend that if you're just starting out in bikepacking, take time to do your research and due diligence with different brands, styles of bags, whether you can improvise, use racks like the Tailfins, etc. Setting up for bikepacking can get quite expensive so the last thing you want to do is spend money on gear only to find out later they're not ideal for you for some reason.
Well said Lorenzo 👍
So much experience, arguments and tips packed in one video! If only all CZcams video's where like this! It would save a maximiser like me a lot of time ;)
Glad it was helpful!
That setup for 1-2 month trips is the first bikepacking setup i have seen that does not include panniers, and still looks like it could be big enough for my needs..! But packs like that are expensive, and IMO, a couple of rear panniers are also a good option for bikepacking. I believe my panniers cost around 90€, and they really do the trick for me. They are 100% waterproof, very rugged - and i can EASILY fit my 2 person tent, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, and the big "25 series" trangia cook system, in just 1 of my panniers. This leaves me plenty of space for solar panels, extra clothes, food, etc.
I also have 5 smaller bags for convenience, so i can easily reach my waterbottle, snacks, disinfectant, waterfilter, GPS, tools, some very basic "first aid", etc. The only thing i want to change is to add a bag for the handlebars, so i can balance my weight a little more.
I agree, Espen, panniers are good and usually very waterproof, easy to pack large items and a simple set up. It seems like you have a very good system in place. However, Panniers are the traditional bike touring set up and the major downside to them is they lack any form of aerodynamics which reduces your average bike speed considerably. For some people, this is not important, and like you have pointed out there are many advantages to your type of setup especially if you want to take extra items.
@@matthewnorway Yeah, i seem to remember that air resistance was noticeable, but not really a big issue for me who use a MTB, and only get high speeds when its downhill, LOL!
Average Joes like me, who already have a set of camping gear that they really like, may have to resort to panniers to fit their gear. I guess i could fit it in some bikepacking bags too - but then i would have to ditch the sleeping bag to make room for a bread XD
I've been searching for so long to have this quality of information and for those of us, looking for the first attempt to bikepacking this video is pure gold. Thanks for the best and honest review ever... it's just so refreshing to hear from your experience.
Glad it was some help to you 👍
I highly rate my Ortlieb seat pack (11l). When it’s tightened down, it hardly sways from side to side at all. I also have the Ortlieb top tube bag, and don’t recommend it; it’s too wide, and my knees hit it when I’m out of the saddle.
Thanks for the info Francis. I've heard Ortlieb has some of the best quality bags on the market.
thanks Francis I was about to buy the ortlieb top tube pack, I have the Vaude seat pack.
I was just about to buy everything from apidura, but you cured that hahaha thank you:) and i have the canyon grail al 7 no mounting for a rack is a bit of a pain
Using a backpack on the rear rack is a good idea. Thanks!
Thank you very much for the Bike gear review! I laughed so hard and enjoyed it so much. Your comment on the handle bar bag was so good! Thank you very much for a very very informative video!
A great review. And honest, not many would be prepared to run down their own gear. Thank you. Enjoy your videos, by the way, keep it up and keep safe.
Many thanks Mick 🙏
Detailed video, I like it. Doing Nordkapp - Lindesnes next summer and def going to take with me some of these tips. Just bought the bag-set from Topeak for the same price as your frontloader, hehe. Also, keep it up with your videos, they are hilarious and amazing!
Hi Snorre, good to hear, the Topeak range looks good. Top brand, good prices 👍. Safe travels with your epic journey next summer and thanks for your feedback!
Thank you for the tips! I have Canyon Grail too... just started collecting my bikepacking gear. Luckily I didn't buy all Apidura bags, they cost me a bomb. Cheers!
I appreciate the honest reviews
Best video about bikepacking gear i've seen! Thanks, great work :)
If you lack attachment points for a rear rack, the Tailfin (made in Europe) set up has a replacement option for your rear axle (qr or thru) to which their rack will then attach. Pretty cool, though they ain't giving them away!
Thanks, they looks great for a canyon grail 👍
I think the flip-top style handle bar bags (BXB, Zeitgeist, etc) are the way to go. Not as waterproof, but just use a dry bag or ziplocs inside. I have a Zeitgeist and I love it. Not cheap tho...
My bike also has no rear rack attachment points, but I found that the West Biking rack on Amazon is quite good and only about $30. It's definitely much better than the Thule. The only issue is to make sure you protect your seat stays with heavy duty packing tape, helicopter tape, etc!
Thanks for the tips Richard!
Thank you. so much for the video, I had so many questions about gear quality and size now I confidently buy my bags!
Glad it helped!
Honest down to earth and well thought out review, thank you!! So many good points to think about and glad you have the experience to talk about it!
I have the dreaded Apidura handlebar bag but I have straight bars so doesn't really get in the way. Yes, it does have a tendency to drop slightly so you have to make sure the straps are tightened every now and then.
I found Apidura to be waste of money. But tailfinn great. Sure, more expensive, but only in relation to other attachments, not in relation to other things. Rock solid and can take stuff on/off in 1 second.
I'll just use a bike trailer, throw everything into the bike trailer, done.
Yes some people say it's harder to cycle with a trailer, maybe it is, I don't care, it's easy to pack and makes every bike into an touring bike.
and shows you're tougher !💪
Thank you for your video, I was considering buying the apidura expedition set, but because of the harness system I am gonna buy full restrap system...
Great Video, honest (at least that's how I feel) review. Self-criticism and irony, I like :)
Great video, definitely deserves more views,many issues with bikepacking bags addressed. I had some of the same thoughts you mentioned, especially having that rear rack for extra food and water,or heavier items as the saddle bags can carry very little weight.
What will happen if you carry more weight in saddle bag, will your saddle break ?
@@Temporalplace I am only guessing now, but I would assume that the saddlebag would sag and if it is not a quality bag the straps would probably start to come lose. Just guessing though, only owned a saddlebag that could just fit a spare tube :)
@@arviddh I add extra nylon straps arround my bag and saddle rails, straps that can handle more than 1000kg
@@Temporalplace I guess it does not sag then ;)
Great video Matthew, I'm looking at buying my gear and just using my backpack at the end is a awesome idea.
Many thanks 👍
Nice video, I'm in the deciding part of buying my bike packing stuff. And this video was very helpful!!
Thanks!!
Glad I could help!
Thanks for empathizing with us. Great tips and tricks!
Just discovered your channel - very interesting and helpful. I have a Revelate top tube bag which has a magnetic flap - ideal to put my GoPro in; I can remove it with one hand and close the flap. I tried the zip closure Apidura top tube bag and the zip sticks - and I agree it's over-priced; I sold it. Great content!
Thanks for your tip the Revelate top tube bag looks really good!
This is a good review. Thanks for giving the heads up on Restrap. I’d never heard of them before , but their their front “Bar Pack” looks perfect.
Glad to help
is Restrap fully waterproof?
@@Almost_Alien Yes
Thanks from north Lancashire. Excellent none biased information.
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve always liked to use panniers on a rear rack instead of buying new expensive component bags. Lately I try to avoid as many zipperd bike packing bags as the zippers fail due to dust and dirt getting into their workings.
A roll top frame bag is my preference though finding one is difficult to find which holds gear without too much bulging.
The bar type stash bags are excellent for alternative water bottle holders (frame bags) and energy bars.
Once at a campsite watch out for squirrels tearing apart stash bag or top tube bags to get at snacks, I’ve lost 2 bags because of these thieves. 17:53
Tusen takk- du hjelpe meg mye- you are the best
bare hyggelig!
This was perfect! So useful. I've been looking for something other than Ortleib bags (only because of cost) and now I'm going to try the dry bags. Thanks!!
So cool Matthew! Thank you so much for making this video! Its really good to have realistic advice!
Just got into bikepacking and your tips are spot on...thx..👍🏻👊🏻
Glad to help!
would recommend the tailfin rack as a replacement
On my wishlist, thanks 🙂
Sea to summit 35L bag with 2 large voile straps does the job as a handlebar bag
Interesting, what sort of bike do you have? Is 35L not too big for the handlebars?
I've got restrap saddle and handle bar bags with the apidura expedition full frame (plus restrap half frame for day trips).
Nice set up 👌
Thanks for sharing 3 years of experience in 18 minutes. Looking forward to your next vlogs.🚲
Thanks Theo!
Thank you for ALL this insight as I'm now collecting bikepacking gear. May your adventures continue to inspire you.
Thanks, you too!
great vid. my revolt has limited mounts, similar to you canyon. like your set up
Old school with carradice panniers takes all my gear and clothes and after all these years gone back to a saddlebag for food. etc so accessible , also a bar bag. Not better just different but a lot neater than the modern alternatives I think.
Thanks for the review loved it especially the money saving tips
For the handle bar bag (mine is from ortlieb but it pretty much looks the same) I can recommend some cheap aero bars helps you to get aero without going into the drops if there is no space and you can use extra straps for securing them and holding them in place
really good for small riders im 1,64m or like 5,4 feet tall so trust me I know these issues
I also heard good thinks about Zefal I only have the saddle bag from them but its pretty good relativley cheap, still waterproof and really robust only downside it weighs a bit more then the really premium ones but for less then half the price I think its fine
also top tube bags from Deuter and SKS are really good can recomend cheap and good quality
PS thanks for the advice on the 6liter frame bag I was looking to buy that one for a while now but wasnt quite sure
Loved the video!
You've mentioned that other brands have better rear/seat packs than Apidura. Could you list a few examples please?
REVELATE DESIGNS SPINE S, ORTLIEB , etc
Wish I had seen this before purchasing Apidura for Dales Divide. Handle bar bag was main issue but maybe a harness will sort this out.
Thank you so much for this Video. I have the same back and have been struggling to find any tips on bikepacking for the Grail CF frame.
There's a new range of waterproof ortlieb 2021.
Alpkit do a great bar harness . Just saying
Great video👍👍👍😎🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕
Thanks for the info, ortlieb are on my radar - quality bags for sure.
I have the Apidura saddle bag, bar bag and top tube bag. I don’t know what the life span of them is supposed to be but within 5 years every piece has failed. First to go was the bar bag a huge section delaminated but Apidura was great and sent a replacement very quickly. Next was the top tube bag which the zipper failed. Last was the saddle bag where literally every seam has failed. Maybe it was too old as I contacted Apidura and they said that was normal wear. I ended up going to decathlon and getting their version of Tenacious Tape which I used on ever seam. I still use the bags, and like them but I think I might go with another when this set is unusable.
After 5 years I'd say so lol
Excellent! Thank you.😊
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Mr. Tapeman ;-)
Good Tips and Insides, really valuable BUT I missed the front fork adapters you pulled your sea to summit bags on. Can you provide me with some information?
www.topeak.com/global/en/products/288-Bikepacking-Series/1129-VERSACAGE
Good straight forward video, chapeau.
Really useful. Heading along Colorado Trail n this has really helped! Especially idea of just using a harness and dry bag. 👍
Hi Neil, glad you found some of the info useful, have a great time in Colorado (sounds awesome)!
Great review man, really insightful!
HI! My girlfriend and I are planning a tour from Oslo-Bergen this summer- so your videoes are a good inspiration. We plan to cycle through Os rather than take the terrible tunnels you filmed - maybe even take the bus or something down Måbødalen because I only own a road bike. Do you have any extra tips/ tricks especially for this trip? We cycled Ålesund-Bergen along the coast in 2020 . Waterproof packingbags is a little obsolete in my opinion. I would rather use pack things in joker-bags or similar. and put it in a unwaterproof bag. They're light- and you're safe if you get something like a wet tent inside, or you have to pack a wet og sweaty rainjacket inside the pack when the sun occasionally visits - a little tip i learned as a conscript soldier :)
You can take a bus through the tunnels at Måbødale. The old road is closed but a lot of cyclists go through it and climb over the rock slide area. You can skip death road 7 and take the long but much safer road 48 (heading southwest from the ferry at Tørvikbygd). www.cyclenorway.com/services
Thanks for the video. I should have seen that video before I bought the Apidura Handle Bag :-)
It's still a very good waterproof bag and It's only my personal opinion. You might find you like the bag? Let me know how you get on with it?
@@matthewnorway I got mine recently and don't find it difficult to put on the bike ? Maybe yours was much heavier.
About the possible fall on the wheel, didn't had the problem, but no long distance for now. It seems the fixations and strong enough and it doesn't move. I hope it will be okay in harder conditions !
I see a lot of bike packing videos with the food pouches on The Handlebar and I think I would miss having that extra hand placement variety
I see you’re point Matt. They certainly reduce your options but I find the benefits out way the negatives. However, one solution is to add aerobars for an extra hand placement which seems to be coming more popular.
Very helpful video; not sure why it hasn't come up in my feed before. Is there a reason you didn't discuss your fork rack system?
I forgot: www.topeak.com/global/en/products/288-Bikepacking-Series/1129-VERSACAGE
Hard to disagree with your logic arrived at with long term experience. I’m bikepack shopping at the moment and will certainly be looking at Apidura in a different light. Just because it’s British isn’t enough. Thank you
Good to hear, plenty of brands on the market now for you to find what is right for your set up.
Honest opinion!
Great information really well presented, thanks Mathew
Glad it was helpful Christopher!
Great video, it helped me a lot to choose my bikepacking gear!
My gravelbike comes already with holes for rack on the back, on this situation would you go for saddle bag or rack with bag left bag right on your max setup? Thanks in advance!!
I would prefer to use a Saddle bag to reduce weight and be more aero.
Super helpful. Cheers mate!
Glad it helped!
Thanks for the great review! What size frame bag do you have, and are you generally happy with the Apidura?
Bikepacking, Aero ? Right.....
Thank you for your honest review and tips Matthew. I'm planning on doing a cycle to summit tour and thought of the same solution, rack and waterproof backpack (for the hike). What is the name of the blue backpack you showed near the end of the video? Many thanks!
www.jrgear.com/products/bomber-mini-pro-v2
Thank you!
Nice
Hi, how do you grab the bags to the forks? just with stripes? my bike doesn't have holes for screws and i need extra storage. Thanks!
thanks for the video, brah!
Thanks for this video - so helpful! It would be great to see how you attached the Woho food bags to your Grail. I have one of the Wobo and an Orocase and have been trying to figure out a good way to attach one or both. And your top tube bag, is it only attached to the top tube? If so, doesn't it tend to flop to one side? I have the Grail as well (in 2XS) and am working toward a good set up for a two week ride later this summer. Cheers!
Yes my tube bag is only attached to my top tube I then use the strap at the front to attach my Woho food pouches to it. It kind of balances out all the bags well and keeps everything secure. But it's too hard to explain exactly how I do it.
Hi !! Do you think the sea to summit dry bags with « lash loops » on forks is suitable if the forks are made with carbon ?
It depends on your bike but in general a good quality carbon frame will handle 2-3kg weight on each fork without an issue.
This was fantastic.
Thank you for the video. Since i also have the Grail CF(SLX) and I would like to start into bikepacking, i'm wondering if the carbon frame of the Grail and specially of the SLX version is really strong enough for the rear carrier. Even Canyon has no clearance for it. For how long are you using it by now? Have you had any problems so far?
I only use the rear rack option as an extra capacity thing. Usually I don’t have more than 5kg on it. Most of my weight goes in my saddle and frame bags. I wouldn’t recommend anything over 10kg. But if in doubt contact Canyon. I’ve had no problems with 5kg.
Great review. I also ordered Grail. But AL version. And now looking for rear rack. Have you found any better options than Thule Tour Rack? Thanks!!!
Unfortunately you’re very limited to what rack will fit on the grail. The one most people use is called Tailfin (fully carbon) and very light/stylish. But they’re not cheap! www.tailfin.cc/product/pannier-racks/x-series-pannier-rack/
Morning Matthew. Really enjoy your videos. What straps do you recommend? I think you use some straps on their own just to reinforce or tighten down certain bags. Thanks!
www.voile.com/voile-straps.html
thanks for the honest opinion! superb! immediately left a like and a sub for your channel. should have much more views. what do you say about ortlieb stuff? also in comparison to apidura?
Greetings from germany
Ortlieb is made in Germany so has better quality than Apidura. The waterproofing is top quality on both brands. Price range is similar. I'm a big fan of mixing brands. If I was to choose out of the two I would have a Ortlieb handlebar bag (better straps), frame bag from Apidura and saddle bag from Ortlieb (more up to date, still waiting for Apidura to update their range perhaps this year??)
@@matthewnorway thx!
Really objective video, well done.
Thanks!
Thanks for this video! How did you manage to mount the Sea to Summit bags with "Lash Loops" to the front fork? I have a Canyon Grail CF8 with no screw mounting options on front and im really looking forward to a solution... Does it hold when you just use tight straps?
www.topeak.com/global/en/products/288-Bikepacking-Series/1129-VERSACAGE (I would say max 2-3kg on each fork)
@@matthewnorway Is your fork made out of carbon?
Second option but same here, maybe to much force for thin carbon fork: www.vaude.com/en-GB/Equipment/Bike-Bags/Frame-bags/Trailmulti-Frame-bag?number=142980510
Expensive is relative: one night in a hotel in Norway costs already more than one of these bags :) If the bike has got holes for a solid mounting of a rack then panniers is a much cleaner solution, isn't it? They are hanging low, don't influence steering, don't get in the way with knees and hands like frame bags, top tube bags and handle bar bags do, and don't swaying as much as a big saddle bag.
As you point out Stefan there are many advantages to a pannier set up. However, the biggest downside is the wind drag. I find I can cycle up to 4km/h more with a Bikepacking set up. But if I'm going on a long trip (several months) I would take panniers for all the reasons you write.
@@matthewnorway Wow, that's interesting, 4km/h is a lot. I thought the extra weight when bike packing is the biggest drag, as you feel the tiniest uphill section. So I haven't worried too much about wind drag. But then for sure I am not at your fitness level either. Keep up your good content!
@@matthewnorway czcams.com/video/Ue_Tz7e0DmE/video.html
Great review!
How are you securing the orange bags to the forks?
Thanks. Really useful. I have the Canyon Grail WMN CF7.0 and hoping to do some bikepacking. Have struggled a bit with finding packs but ended up with Restrap and Apidura and battling a bit with the Topeak bar bag. The bike is size XS so not much room. Think it will work but need some decent length straps with easy buckles/preferably that clip shut, not thread through. What straps do you have round your fork bags? and to secure say a small bag on top of the bar bag? Hard to find the right thing online. And what is the cage called on your forks- how have you attached the cage? . Thanks
@rutdoc Hi, glad you found the video useful! Fork bags were attached using Topeak Versacage. Excellent product, with straps and even comes with rubber protection around the clamps to prevent paint damage.
www.topeak.com/global/en/products/288-Bikepacking-Series/1129-VERSACAGE
When it comes to a small bag on top of the bar bag. You are kind of forced into buying the same brand as the bar bag itself. My small Apidura bag has clips that connect into the Apidura handlebar bag. No other bag would attach to it. It's all a bit of a rip off really. That's why I like the Restart bar bag as it includes a small bag as standard.
Thanks. Yes love the Restrap bag but too big between my bars. Ordered it and now my husband uses! Will look at the versacage.
@@matthewnorway Are those really safe to attach on carbon fork?
@@raneksi Yes, 1-2kg on each fork is not a problem for my SL frame.
Best tip I've ever heard is major maintenance and upgrades should be done the night before heading out on ultra long rides, this way the new bits are fresh and fast.
That doesn't sound like a great plan at all. What if you suddenly find you need another component or tool? What if your shiny new piece of kit just doesn't work? Asking for a massive headache if you ask me.
@@Bungle2010 You are 100% right! Sorry my sarcasm didn't come through 😀
love your humor 😂
What is “Terrian”? Cause I can’t stop thinking about it.
Is it mountainous or flat? what sort of roads - single tracks, gravel, paved? If it's mountainous you want to reduce your weight. If it's mainly off road you'll need to ensure things aren't sticking out on them narrow single tracks and weight is evenly distributed. If the terrain is coastal and wide open to wind be as aero as possible. If your cycling through a dessert ensure you have extra water capacity. Etc Etc.
Great video Matthew! I realise I'm a bit late commenting on this video, but I love that we have made pretty much exactly the same mistakes with the Apidura setup and Thule rack. I went for the whole Apidura setup at premium prices just like you, and quickly realised that some bags were great and some bags were terrible. I also chose the same Thule rack as you and I am equaly disappointed with it. I am currently mostly using the full frame bag and the saddle bag on shorter trips, same model and capacity as yours. For longer trips I use the fork bags as well and an Ortlieb Ulitmate six plus handlebar bag. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but they are awesome. A lot less fiddly once you mount it and so easy to access. Bit less capacity and quite pricy, but I love it so much. last year i bought a new bike with mounts for a normal rear rack. Unfortunately I discovered that sleeping in a tent is just not my thing on longer expeditions, so I mostly sleep in campsite cabins, motels and hotels at a much higher price. The befit is that I mostly don't have to bring as much as you do, so I mostly don't use a rear rack. Keep up the good work and keep making great informative videos. I'm drawing a lot of inspiration from your trips and hope to copy some of your routes this summer!
Thanks for your input Odin - glad you feel the same and appreciate you spending the time to write 👍
Most people who complain about "made in China" have no idea what that means. I believe this guy is one. Made in China is fine, or it can be. What you do not want is DESIGNED IN CHINA or made in China with no western oversight.
how long have u traveled with bikepacking gear and with ur full carbon bike? Is carbon a bit bad for longer trips? I would appreciate for your answer. :)
great video!
I have used it for 3 years. Canyon grail is designed to be used as a bikepacking bike but you must limit the weight to where the frame can handle it. On the forks my max was 2-3kg and the back (rear rack) was about 5-8kg. I mention in my canyon grail video that if you're going on long trips then getting a touring bike is a better option. czcams.com/video/5A_tYKt_K7o/video.html
Whats the carrier system you attached to back stems? Did it work well with (a) your carbon frame and (b) underneath the seatpack?
That info is on the video. I don’t recommend the one I used and it is difficult to find a rear rack that fits onto a cabin frame. If I had a good rear rack it would work well with the seat pack.
Hello, very nice video. I am planning to start traveling buy bicycle for a long period. Actually i don't wanna have specific return day. I don't have experience. I am learning these months slowly slowly. I am looking for bags this period and i was looking for pannier bags but i se le that many people, you as well recommend this kind. Is it better than pannier or just because you like more?
Panniers are more practical, easier to pack and can store more gear. Bikepacking bags are lighter, more aero, and better for traveling at speed and covering a lot of distance in a day. If you don’t have experience and are planning on cycling for a long period panniers are probably a better option for you.
@@matthewnorway thank you very very much
Another good one mate!
Cheers mate!
Hi Matthew, I really liked this video. Very informative. You're competent and funny too. I live in Finland and planning to do my first bike packing trip next summer and waterproof bags is the way! I'm thinking about having a mixed Restrap/Apidura setup. With Restrap harness/bag on the handlebar and Apidura frame bags (love Restrap styling but I need waterproofing). What do you recommend as saddle bag? The Apidura seems more robust than the Restrap, but I like the idea to take the dry bag out of the harness into the tent/accommodation. Thank you!
Hi Marcello, that sounds like a good system! Restrap's poor waterproof quality is what puts me off their saddlebag too! If I was buying a new saddle bag I would probably buy the Revelate Designs Spinelock 16L. It's at the top price end but won awards and completely stops any rocking moment with an ingenious bracket system. Nevertheless, that rear harness system is certainly practical and the Blackburn Outpost Elite Universal is a good alternative to Restrap with better waterproofing. Have fun on your first Bikepacking trip this summer!
@@matthewnorway what do you mean with poor waterproofing, that the dry bags leak or that they’re easy to rip? Thanks for telling me about the Revelate and Blackburn, didn’t know them
@@marcellopacifici sorry poor choice of word. The restrap is sightly ‘less’ waterproof than some other brands. If it rains heavy you might find a bit of dampness in the restrap bags. But overall I’ve heard very good things about them and I’m certainly looking into buying the handlebar bag myself. I usually store my roll mat and sleeping bag in the front and they both come in waterproof liners so restrap would work perfectly.
@@matthewnorway thank you so much for your point of view mate! I'm replying from my iPhone while watching your Norway trip videos on the laptop! Just one more video, then I go out riding :)