History of the ProCo RAT Pedal and Myths Debunked

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  • čas přidán 4. 11. 2021
  • The ProCo RAT might be the most beloved distortion pedal in guitar history. So what happens when you give a pedal nerd like Josh permission to give a TED Talk on the RAT? This episode happens. Josh studied over 100 different RAT pedals in preparation for this week's episode, and it shows. This is the deepest dive on the ProCo RAT you're ever going to see.
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    Full Article: thejhsshow.com/articles/histo...
    PackRat Episode: • JHS PackRat: Every RAT...
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    pedalhistory@jhspedals.com
    Version Walk Through:
    Bud Box 1977-78
    Dual Bud Box
    Scott Burnham Ring-Mod Prototype (Bud Era)
    1979 / Version 1-A "Fringe Logo"
    1979 / Version 1-B "Tone Knob / Fringe Logo"
    1979 / Version 1-C "Tone Control / Metal Knob"
    1979 / Version 1-D "Tone Control"
    1979 Juggernaut (and Reissue)
    1981 / V2 "Big Box Filter"
    1984 / V3-A "White Face"
    1986 / V3-B "Black Face"
    1986 / V3-C "No Brackets"
    1987? / RAT2 - LED Prototype
    1987-88 / V4-A "RAT2-LED-Flat Top"
    1989 V5 "Turbo"
    1991-2005 "Big Box Vintage Reissue"
    1997 V6-A and V6-B "Roadkill / BRAT"
    2002 "Duecetone"
    2002 Era? "ProCo Preamp Prototype"
    2003 "25th Silver Anniversary"
    2004 V7 "You Dirty RAT" and Proto
    2006 V8 "Solo" and PROTO RATZO
    2008 V4-B "RAT2 Chinese Made Slope Enclosure"
    *We're aware Josh calls it the "Chinese Slope" in this video. We were unaware that was considered a derogatory term and have changed it on all content since this video was recorded.
    2010 "1985 White Face Reissue"
    2014 V9 "FATRAT"
    2015 V4-C /4-D / 4-E "IKEBE 40th Anniversary Exclusive Colorways" (Japan Only)
    2021 V10 "Lil' RAT"
    #jhs #thejhsshow #procorat
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  • @Sailingfortuitous
    @Sailingfortuitous Před 2 lety +443

    JHS should make a pedal called the Rhatt Shull that is specifically designed for mediocre slide tone.

  • @Greg-om2hb
    @Greg-om2hb Před 2 lety +297

    I was introduced to the Rat by an amazing busker in San Francisco’s financial district around 1981. It was a shocking and humbling experience, because he had withered arms, only one hand and only two fingers. (Lookup Thalidomide.) He wore a tubular slide held on by a rubber band, over a terry wrist band. He held the pick between two fingers has been crafted into opposing pincers through surgery. He setup the lap steel, Rat, and a battery powered amp on a small stable on the sidewalk. With that rig he played thunderous, high energy electric blues far beyond anything I have been able to summon using two hands and ten fingers. I saw him playing on several occasions, and I took away several lessons from that experience.

    • @kyleatkins1466
      @kyleatkins1466 Před 2 lety +22

      I also have a similar experience. My guitar teacher was a dwarf who’s hands were disfigured and he played an electric as a lap steel and I’ve never heard a better guitar player.

    • @timmungenast
      @timmungenast Před 2 lety +31

      Thank you for that story, Greg. Stories like that teach me an important lesson: "stop complaining and practice more."

    • @MitchellHudson
      @MitchellHudson Před 2 lety +8

      I remember that guy! He played great slide guitar!

    • @PatStyles
      @PatStyles Před 2 lety +11

      I remember him too! I saw him at Market and Powell often. He was awesome. I eventually started playing lap steel myself.

    • @Dungeon_of_Regret
      @Dungeon_of_Regret Před 2 lety +13

      This comment needs to be up top, really interesting side bar here to chase. Hope jhs sees this.

  • @corpse-in-orbit
    @corpse-in-orbit Před 2 lety +152

    Nick - on the Tone/Filter pot taper question, I've always guessed that the people who designed the Rat realized that it sounded best with Tone below 50%, but they quickly realized that guitarists don't want to set Tone low. They want more, uh, Tone. So you flip the wiring, and now setting it at 70% is actually setting it at 30%, and bang, classic Rat.

  • @Unusualsuspect24
    @Unusualsuspect24 Před 2 lety +353

    Josh man, you're a great guitarist and it's time to accept it. When you talk down on your playing; those of us who can't play even half as good, feel twice as bad.

    • @blacksalamann
      @blacksalamann Před 2 lety +43

      I mean...he's not the flashy kind, he's more like the "everything I play no matter how simple it is sounds freaking good" type

    • @juancarlossuarez7486
      @juancarlossuarez7486 Před 2 lety +11

      @@Unusualsuspect24 he's actually agreeing with your opinion besides pointing at the obvious objection others would make

    • @MaTTheWish
      @MaTTheWish Před 2 lety +1

      @@Unusualsuspect24 well he does wear cool t-shirts. Even if you never heard if the brand though.

    • @GoLongboardBroseph
      @GoLongboardBroseph Před 2 lety +1

      he has good taste

    • @stanlindert6332
      @stanlindert6332 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah

  • @ahriik
    @ahriik Před 2 lety +25

    The image of Josh with an armful of RATs, crying while eating Subway, trying to figure out why they all sound the same, is a funny one for sure

  • @TheTVstew
    @TheTVstew Před 2 lety +75

    Did jhs save anyone else’s life lmao these people are treasures

    • @9ZenMedia
      @9ZenMedia Před 2 lety +4

      Bro my entire life has been saved so many times by so many CZcams channels it’s hard to keep track.

    • @TheTVstew
      @TheTVstew Před 2 lety +1

      @@9ZenMedia relatable content

    • @phillseagram
      @phillseagram Před 2 lety +5

      Quarantine would have been a lot darker without this and other pedal shows.

    • @jhspedals
      @jhspedals  Před 2 lety +13

      Thank you all!!! We're so honored to be part of your journey. Keep it up! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

    • @findantu
      @findantu Před 2 lety +2

      Not life but tons of cash on pedals I thought looked good then sound bad or just not what I'm needing.

  • @chrismilligan7998
    @chrismilligan7998 Před 2 lety +37

    There’s something heartwarming that someone can produce a 1h40 video on a series of pedal and over 100,000 people will watch it

  • @josephwright5921
    @josephwright5921 Před 2 lety +31

    If the world doesn’t implode or explode, 50 years from now, guitarists and pedal builders will still be watching JHS videos.

  • @davydawg01
    @davydawg01 Před rokem +40

    This is an amazing article and video. My father bought a RAT in the 80s and has had it since. I started playing guitar in the early 2000s and the RAT was my first distortion pedal handed down by my dad. After watching thus video I have identified it as a 1979 version 1D. Very cool history!

  • @lexzbuddy
    @lexzbuddy Před 2 lety +26

    I had a rat in the early 90s, I wasn't too fond of it. I gave it away to my neighbour's daughter, she still has it. All's well that ends well. Probably worth a few bucks these days :)
    I actually gave her a Fender strat when she started playing. I wasn't a strat fan and never played it so it was like new. The look on her face when I gave it to her was priceless, it made my day. It turns out purple was her favourite colour so that was a bit lucky :) I gave her a wee practice amp too, 25 watts I think with a 10" speaker so it had a bit of oomph for a beginner. I am sure that gave her parents many years of pleasure too. It definitely pays to be nice.
    She still plays to this day so definitely a good call. She still has the Fender 20 something years later and she says she plays it all the time. That pleased me to hear.

    • @TheRealcdawg22
      @TheRealcdawg22 Před 2 lety +2

      I need a neighbor like you. Not that I need you to give me stuff. I just mean someone nice and thoughtful. Our neighbors on one side of us are horrible, inconsiderate people. Sorry.

    • @lexzbuddy
      @lexzbuddy Před 2 lety +2

      I have a neighbour a few doors down, he has a chip on his shoulder and thinks the world is due him respect. He's rude and self centered yet contributes absolutely nothing good, ever. You get them everywhere, free with every neighbourhood. I feel your pain.

    • @TheRealcdawg22
      @TheRealcdawg22 Před 2 lety +1

      @@lexzbuddy They don't use trash bags so their garbage is always strewn about our yard. They park cars in front of our house, but they don't park in front of their own, nor do they park in their own driveway. The oldest kid is s real piece of work. I bet you get the idea. Take care.

    • @roosternm6830
      @roosternm6830 Před rokem +2

      I gave a teenage girl who is the step daughter to my nephew......pheew, a left handed late 90s MIM Strat as she is left handed. She is also handicapped so getting money together to buy a guitar just couldn't happen. That kid lost her mind over it. She keeps it with her day and night. She can't get enough of it. Didn't take her long to start learning to play. I see her every once in a while and she shows me what she's learned. Makes me feel good to see someone so young who is so inthusiastic.

    • @jaydeus
      @jaydeus Před měsícem

      My first guitar was a gift to my neighbors from country legend Gene Autry. A rare El Degas acoustic, and the fact they sold it to my mom for 75 bucks when it could have sold for 500 said everything about their love for the next generation of musicians.
      Bless you and other good neighbors everywhere!

  • @sammonroe31
    @sammonroe31 Před 2 lety +77

    I know I'm asking for a lot of work, but I'd love more of these deep dives into the history of circuits or whatever else inspires you! I haven't watched it yet but I already know it's amazing. ALL HAIL THE RAT

  • @corpse-in-orbit
    @corpse-in-orbit Před 2 lety +26

    I'm always amazed when a pedal truly hasn't been superseded - e.g., a Fuzz Face is a classic sound, but you could argue that there are better, more usable, more musically versatile fuzzes now, whereas (I would say) the Memory Man or the early treble boosters have truly never been improved upon. And hearing that Bud Box Rat, it's just, well, "There it is." Best distortion pedal ever made, 45ish years old, and they got it dead right from the first unit.

  • @t3r080
    @t3r080 Před 2 lety +81

    This is why I subscribed and hit the bell for JHS Pedals channel years ago! THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
    Love these history classes :)

    • @bldallas
      @bldallas Před 2 lety

      Seriously, one of the top 3 guitar related channels on YT. I also really like Ted Woodford’s luthier channel and Darrell Braun’s guitar review channel. Greatness.

    • @jhspedals
      @jhspedals  Před 2 lety +4

      Thank you!

  • @cgripp256
    @cgripp256 Před 2 lety +29

    At first I thought, no way I’m going to make it through an hour and a half of pedal history on ONE pedal. I was wrong. And I greatly enjoyed it. I almost picked up the lil rat a month ago. I think I’ll go look for a RAT2 per recommendation right now!

  • @PedalChainsAddiction
    @PedalChainsAddiction Před 2 lety +16

    A bandmate bought me a Rat2 in 2002 when my DS-2 failed and I never looked back. I had worlds of fun writing and playing with that pedal. Thanks for the marvelous history lesson. I look forward to getting my grubby little hands on the PackRat.

  • @pedalgazer7109
    @pedalgazer7109 Před 2 lety +17

    Holy poop guys- I freaking loved this- and for four solid reasons. 1. You've taken a sort of curatorial (is that a word) view here- and done an incredible service in documenting the history of the proco rat- the people, the designs, the back story- this is a true labor of love. 2. I too am an analytical person and so I strongly applaud your ethic of "let's cut through the B.S. magic and myth with simple science and rational thought. Way too many people indulge in magical thinking- and not just when it comes to pedals. We need this sort of reality check. We could use this sort of thinking in congress to be honest- but that's another story (Josh for congress 2032!) 3. I waited an hour and a half to finally hear about this woodcutter mythology and I was enthralled- so cool. Plus, I'm an English teacher- not surprised at all that a teacher was also the most efficient builder- it's sink or swim out there and only the strong survive. 4. I love seeing how much you all enjoy playing together. Watch the drummers face in the last jam. You guys are a band- in the real sense of the word- aka- not maybe a band with a name, and shows- but a group of people who have forged a musical connection and love playing together. That last jam - more than anything- makes me want to buy another JHS pedal and support such a warm company. Love you all- keep up the incredible work!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @theoryofthirds
    @theoryofthirds Před 2 lety +39

    Thank you for elevating the pedal discourse. Honoring the history, respecting the circuitry choices, and then adding some JHS spice. Projects like these do more than just support/promote a new pedal; they deepen the conversation about sound manipulation.

  • @andkemp
    @andkemp Před 2 lety +7

    the very first pedal I ever purchased (Italy, 1999: I was 17, so 22 yrs ago) was a RAT 2, and I'm so proud of that 'cause I barely knew what a pedal was... but I... CHOSE it, by playing and trying it in my town's local shop.
    I just entered the shop, and asked to try some stuff, to "make my guitar sound big"... I wasn't even sure if I needed a distorsion pedal.. the guy that used to work there just sit me, put the first guitar he had next to me in my hands, and put in front of me three pedals. He just said: "listen, here's three pedals that you NEED. Play them, choose one, and they're gonna be perfect anyways, so just see what is best for you". They were a Marshall Guv'nor, a Big Muff (big enclosure), and a Rat 2.
    I needed 5 minutes, maybe less... I was blown away by the Rat, easy story. And again, I'm proud of myself after so many years, because only much later on, after playing it for years, I discovered what piece of guitar history I had CHOSEN with my ears, and not with stories heard on the internet or somewhere else.
    So... thx JHS for celebrating once more this huge pedal, and thx for helping people discovering sounds with their ears, and only with them.

  • @Cavemaaaan
    @Cavemaaaan Před 2 lety +20

    As a cool part of the adjacent-history to the very first ProCo Rats, Systech which was originally in the same Kalamazoo-MI building as you explained earlier, used the same knobs that were used on the earliest-original Rat pedals that you show. My two Systech Phase Shifters have the silver-insert/black-body "Bud" knobs - used for the Emphasis control knob on my two units :) Dan Gibbs, near Flint, MI :)

  • @JEDCLAMPIT550
    @JEDCLAMPIT550 Před 2 lety +9

    I first heard of the Rat and bought mine in the middle to late eighties before the LED version mine has the brackets... I absolutely love the RAT...I have performed as a working musician and its been on my pedalboard from the time I bought it in the eighties until present... absolutely nothing ever was able to kick it off my pedalboard...except for the last four years I performed in a Southern Rock festival performance band and they didn't care for the RAT so I used a BB Preamp instead to accommodate them... but now I'm in a different band and the RAT is back on my pedalboard where it belongs! Great show Josh!

  • @treecavecreative1581
    @treecavecreative1581 Před 2 lety +9

    I think the phrase you were looking for in the mess of the version history was a 'rat's nest'. :)

  • @justabill63
    @justabill63 Před 2 lety +6

    Been waiting on this one. Thanks Josh and co. for the awesome show. Love the history, and especially the pedal tests/ jams.

  • @OctopusEars
    @OctopusEars Před 2 lety +13

    What I personally love about the rat is that the gain goes all the way down to nothing.. I don't like when an od or distortion pedal always has some level of gain when engaged

    • @stillpist
      @stillpist Před 10 měsíci

      I have a WFRI and it has a decent amount of od level gain when all the way down.

  • @ScottyBrockway
    @ScottyBrockway Před 2 lety +12

    There's a Bud Box one somewhere in Washington State, I remember seeing it at Al's Guitarville in the late 80s.

  • @nicholasmurt
    @nicholasmurt Před 2 lety +44

    Josh, guys, this is so damn rad. LOVE seeing the history of this passion we all have. You guys are doing great, hard work! I’ll admit when I started watching you guys the silly idea of “just try stuff” has stuck with me and has debunked a lot of dumb guitar falsities. So thank you for everything!

  • @Sturphy
    @Sturphy Před 2 lety +43

    So the first cut to Nick has the camera focus on the pedals instead of Nick... and it's awesome. Can you do a show that is just exploring every inch of your collection???

    • @philotomybaar
      @philotomybaar Před 2 lety

      Looks like a soft focus filter. Looks like they’re doing something different with the video.

    • @philotomybaar
      @philotomybaar Před 2 lety +1

      @@aceflibble Got it. But doesn’t the focus on Josh look softer too? Maybe they’re using the Woodcutter filter?

    • @lordgraga
      @lordgraga Před 2 lety

      @Sturphy you mean this? czcams.com/video/Q2kieOoMJmg/video.html

    • @TheChadPad
      @TheChadPad Před 2 lety

      The operative word is "can"

    • @andrewjakes5296
      @andrewjakes5296 Před 2 lety

      Dirty

  • @derrickbullock4540
    @derrickbullock4540 Před 2 lety

    I so totally enjoy these long videos/vlogs about pedals. I have seriously, legitimately learned so much from watching you guys & I have found a revamped love for pedals again. I went nearly a decade as a straight boring plug-in & play guitar/amp player with no pedals except a Boss tuner pedal. I used my tube amp’s gain/overdrive for so many years. Thanks to you guys, I’ve started not only playing, but buying pedals again & playing guitar has become ‘fun’ again. And that guys is a gift that I wish I could literally pay you back in cash for! So thank you guys so very much! Once I subscribed to the channel, I immediately became a junkie & started watching all the time! I use your videos to cheer my bad days up as well as use them for information before a pedal purchase. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼‼️

  • @freehey629
    @freehey629 Před 2 lety +23

    A lot of guitarists do like using their eyes instead of ears.
    Some people really don't like it when they have to set a pedal knob to anything other than 9 to 3 o'clock.

  • @itsmewildbill2296
    @itsmewildbill2296 Před 2 lety +12

    Okay, this is the best thing that's happened today (so far) and I'm just 20 mins into this. Just amazing the work and research that you guys put into these shows, love it - thanks!

  • @deacondeschenes7508
    @deacondeschenes7508 Před 2 lety +18

    I would very much love to see an episode on Addison’s bass rig. He’s always got the best bass tones!

  • @christopherocchialini4673

    This episode was EPIC - thank you so much for the amount of effort you put into the History of my favorite pedal ever (if I could only have 1 pedal it would be a RAT!) I was so stoked to see you thank Nicky Skopelitis in the credits - I learned so much from Nicky when we become friends at the guitar store I worked at in NYC 30th Street Guitars - spent many an Afternoon talking deep about music and gear with Nicky - still remember fondly calling Bill Finegan to ask about being a Klon dealer in 1996 or so and thinking $300 was a lot of money (at that time) for a dirt pedal - always thought it was so cool that the RAT pedals were handmade in the USA , true bypass(a big deal back then) and under $100 bucks for such an amazing pedal! Thanks again for doing the legwork and putting this Together loved it!

  • @Adamhauk22
    @Adamhauk22 Před 2 lety +1

    I found that incredibly informative. Well done guys. One of my favorite mods to do to a Rat is the popular Ruetz mod adding a pot in place of a resistor, as well as using BS170 or 2n7000 mosfets for the clipping diodes. I've got a stock Rat with a added 7 way rotary for clipping diodes

  • @NyMyers64
    @NyMyers64 Před 2 lety +9

    That was a great episode, really enjoyed the deep dive. I had never paid a lot of attention before but after Josh talking about it over a number of past episodes, I see so many shootout vids with the knobs in the same place. I'm even talking about pedals from different companies, like here's a TS9 and a different brand tubescreamer like pedal.

  • @mercedesescobarmusic
    @mercedesescobarmusic Před 2 lety +12

    I read somewhere that Bonnie Raitt uses a Pro Co Rat to add a bit of grit to her tone. What struck me the most about this is the huge missed opportunity from Pro Co to approach her and release the signature BONNIE RAT (or the Raitt Rat)... Am I rite???

    • @NoNameNo.5
      @NoNameNo.5 Před 4 měsíci +1

      HAH!

    • @johnbowman3630
      @johnbowman3630 Před dnem

      TBF, Bonnie Raitt is one letter away from being a RATT herself.
      The shoe fits!

  • @tiliabythesea-seaglassjewe7599

    Absolutely love your channel! My husband plays guitar - I don't - but I learned so much about pedals and your show is so interesting, even for someone who doesn't have a musical bone in them ;) PS I was going to order a T Shirt for Christmas but sadly shipping to the UK is the same price as the T shirt (and then we have import taxes, handling fee and VAT on top of that, which would make the T Shirt somewhere in excess of $80...)! Anyway - Josh your humour is fab and we love your show!!!

  • @skyviewdesign
    @skyviewdesign Před 2 lety +10

    You mentioned that EarthQuaker Devices uses a standard enclosure, but if I recall, they're actually using their own custom enclosures now. I remember hearing they used to use the standard ones, but they found they could make their own for cheaper or something. The Octoskull logo is actually molded into the baseplates now. Pretty much spot on with the standard size dimensions, but they're their own enclosures. It's crazy.

    • @jhspedals
      @jhspedals  Před 2 lety +10

      Yes, we do the same. It's still a standard enclosure though. 125b size.

    • @skyviewdesign
      @skyviewdesign Před 2 lety +5

      @@jhspedals ah gotcha. So by standard, you’re simply referring to the size and not so much a specific manufacturer or supplier. Rock on!🤘

  • @mpelgudmir
    @mpelgudmir Před 2 lety +6

    My puppy decided to eat my ProCo cable today. She's a fan.

  • @pantone369c
    @pantone369c Před 2 lety +6

    I don't know if I've ever been more excited about the release of a CZcams video before.

  • @jake62a
    @jake62a Před 2 lety +1

    What a great episode/exposé. Watching Josh just come alive when taking about the nitty gritty of a pedals history is fantastic.

  • @amdsixtyfour
    @amdsixtyfour Před 2 lety +3

    cant thank you enough for all of the mythbusting you do. as someone who got their first full time job in 2017 it has been a constant struggle to feel the fomo of missing out on the "good" chips or circuits

  • @brad207
    @brad207 Před 2 lety +15

    I love the myth debunking that Josh does in this video

  • @jaydee4077
    @jaydee4077 Před 2 lety +20

    Old Jeff Beck quote " all you need is a strat, a rat, a fender and a marshall"

    • @garyfrisbie
      @garyfrisbie Před 2 lety +8

      @Majority of 1 His comment was about having "a Strat, a Rat, a Fender AMP and a Marshall AMP"...

    • @garyfrisbie
      @garyfrisbie Před 2 lety

      @Majority of 1 I agree that two amps is pushing it for many people. Jeff Beck deserves at least two, imo.

  • @Volv89
    @Volv89 Před 2 lety +1

    First (and only) pedal I built myself was a RAT with different clipping diode options. Stuck it on my board and it never came off. It's more or less an always on pedal for me, usually as light overdrive near the end of my chain. Absolutely love it. Very much enjoyed this deep dive into its history.

  • @madf00bar15
    @madf00bar15 Před 2 lety +1

    Fantastic stuff. I vote for more long form in depth episodes like this one, I love all the details.

  • @jimcamp2423
    @jimcamp2423 Před 2 lety +8

    Woodcutter Doug, really should've let that myth live on. He was a beast for productivity. New myth, legend has it Woodcutter Doug outperforms SMT mass production rate, only Rat pedal builder with a zero defect rate ever.

    • @jhspedals
      @jhspedals  Před 2 lety +1

      This is like a new John Henry legend.

  • @heavybrett-al4082
    @heavybrett-al4082 Před 2 lety +11

    Just love how Josh and the boys deep dive into the history and the science of pedals, fascinating stuff👍

    • @ElvesvsShinyRocks
      @ElvesvsShinyRocks Před 2 lety

      It's important to me that you understand that your username is amazing.

  • @simonpark843
    @simonpark843 Před 2 lety

    That article was outstandingly detailed. Thanks for all your hard work, these videos are always so enjoyable.

  • @billyshears6622
    @billyshears6622 Před 2 lety +2

    I thought this episode would be straight torture for 1:40:00 🤦🏻‍♂️ but you guys have managed to entertain us again. Wow, you guys are SUCH A TREASURE to the music community. I really mean that. Praise cannot be high enough for your extreme efforts on these topics. It's unreal.

  • @MikeSadlerAU
    @MikeSadlerAU Před 2 lety +3

    Wow! I'm 60, and a huge RAT fan. I can just imagine the excitement when they first played that 'A' chord through the Bud-box prototype... possibly bigger than my excitement when I first heard one through a 100W Marshall full stack run *just* broken up a couple of years later. Changed *everything* for me :-)

    • @Fuhgitboutit
      @Fuhgitboutit Před 6 měsíci +1

      I always think of this. With the rat or big muff in their first days i always wonder why no one palm muted an open e and chugged lol the potential for extreme metal has been around for so long

  • @TheRealcdawg22
    @TheRealcdawg22 Před 2 lety +4

    Love the RAT! I just thought I would mention, if some people aren't aware of it, the EHX Flatiron is a really good, inexpensive Rat variant in their "nano" enclosure. Still made in NYC, USA I believe. I use one on guitar and a Rat2 on bass.

  • @LawGone1
    @LawGone1 Před 2 lety

    @jhs. Man, best episode to date. I commend you guys on researching and presenting this historical info. You call in ‘nerding out’ but to me it’s super well done pedal journalism. You guys make wonderful pedals and jam with enthusiasm, but what you will hopefully go down in history for is making the history of effect pedals and electronics relevant and available. Thank you

  • @jalmonsalmon
    @jalmonsalmon Před 2 lety +1

    Josh, l am in awe on the content of this video, by far the most in depth look on a great circuit and all of its offspring's! I acquired a version 2 big box RAT around 1987 for free from my older brother and he got that pedal from the original owner a little before that time. I had the 1st big block MXR Distortion + that I had for years and used both that and the RAT side by side ... well lets just say after 1st playing the version 2 big box RAT... I gave my Distortion + away to my bass player LOL (wish I kept that one now lol )

  • @JohnFromArlingtron
    @JohnFromArlingtron Před 2 lety +5

    I'm the proud original owner of a "4A Rat II" bought new in the day but I don't think it could have been as late as 88 when I bought it so I'm voting sometime in 87 it came out. Surprised you didn't mention that the external 9v is a 1/8 inch mini plug. Makes it a PITA to wire into a board power supply.

    • @kma5699
      @kma5699 Před 2 lety

      In the 80s my first wah was a DOD FX-17 and it also had a 1/8” power input jack like the RAT. I had 1 AC adapter with switchable voltages that the end has a 9v lead and 4 different sized plugs. Pretty sure i had to use the same adapter for my Casio VL-1 keyboard and it was a pita using 2 of those type of adapters as the Jack would be loose and the power would cut off lol

  • @PurposefulPorpoise
    @PurposefulPorpoise Před 2 lety +7

    First time Rat listener here. The "Clean Rat" prototype is what i always thought a Rat sounded like from just looking at the black enclosure, ugly harshness. Pleasantly surprised to find i actually enjoy the sound of standard 80's Rats

  • @derrickbaranowsky5715
    @derrickbaranowsky5715 Před 2 lety +2

    Wow, just realized I have a version 1 from 1979. I always knew the year, but didn't know it was that early in RAT's production. Very cool episode Josh and co.

  • @marctestarossa
    @marctestarossa Před rokem +1

    Watched some of your videos today (first time on the channel) but this video was amazing, subbed

  • @kalkidasofficial
    @kalkidasofficial Před 2 lety +6

    Thanks to your previous episode I bought the Ibanez LA Metal, wow!!!! This is my new favorite OD/Distortion pedal! Love it!!! Thank you Josh!

  • @RichFranks
    @RichFranks Před 2 lety +2

    I bought a small box, white-face RAT in 1984 or 85. In the early 2010s, it finally died. I contacted ProCo, and they said send it in. They fixed it for me. I can't say enough about that kind of service. Still using my ProCo pedal board, too.

  • @dahlbaker
    @dahlbaker Před 2 lety +1

    This is really good. History lesson, company perspective, PackRat concepts, etc. I already have the Bonsai and the Muffuletta. Gain staging on the dirty amp side of my rig will now have endless combinations with the PackRat (on order) in the mix. "There is dirt and then there is JHS dirt." It's entertaining to watch Josh obsess over the painting/printing issues associated with these pedals because he connects with them as a manufacturer. I'm going to keep the box on this one...

  • @theeskimorecords
    @theeskimorecords Před 2 lety +2

    You know it’s gonna be good when the video starts on the theme song intro and no preamble

  • @kylethompson1987
    @kylethompson1987 Před 2 lety +5

    My packrat got delivered today, it sounds great! Nice surprise in the box from Josh, don’t want to spoil the surprise for others, but I do wonder if there’s one in every box or if I got lucky! I also have the Jam pedals rattler which has the 308 chip and to be honest despite the hype for it I like it the least of all the rats I’ve tried. I like pretty much every setting on the packrat more.

  • @rorschach1
    @rorschach1 Před 2 lety +4

    Roadkill was my first pedal back in 1997. I used it with fender vibrochamp. I used it to play smashing pumpkins songs.

  • @mattcoen
    @mattcoen Před 2 lety

    Great stuff! It looks like my old rat is the 1B you discussed and my brother still has a Roadkill I gave him years back. It's fun knowing more of the history around both.

  • @JesseLD3
    @JesseLD3 Před rokem +1

    I'm expanding my synth and pedal knowledge and I just found this channel and it's amazing. Keep up the good work. 👍🏾👍🏾

  • @nekiayrrah
    @nekiayrrah Před 2 lety +4

    Playing this video through my PackRat

  • @paulsonn1308
    @paulsonn1308 Před 2 lety +4

    Update from your last rat vid, I went ahead and bought your packrat :D excited

  • @DavidLeeKing
    @DavidLeeKing Před 2 lety +1

    I saw the Rat rack unit! In the 90s, when I attended the Recording Workshop. One of their teachers had the Rat rack unit. I'd never heard of it, and now I know why (because hardly anyone bought one). Cool video!

  • @stm113
    @stm113 Před 2 lety

    This was a great episode! Thank you so much for being so awesome!!!

  • @jmendi55
    @jmendi55 Před 2 lety +3

    I have an original white face that I bought new (when I was a much younger man) and haven't played in decades. You've inspired me to break it out and A/B it with my Helix . And I agree with M M below - you are a serious player - great ideas.

  • @onionheadguy7094
    @onionheadguy7094 Před 2 lety +8

    This is great you guys should always spend 10 years exhaustively researching each episode!

  • @davezeromyers
    @davezeromyers Před 2 lety

    this was awesome!! thank you doing this and please do more of them, and maybe release them as a dvd series or something because id be all over that. its always amazing to sit down and learn the history and evolution of gear

  • @stefannita3439
    @stefannita3439 Před 2 lety

    Man I enjoyed this so much. The Rat is probably my favorite pedal and I loved every minute of this nerd-out love letter to it. It's so awesome that you guys went through all this effort to document everything more meticulously than anyone ever has. Thank you so much JHS!!

  • @Herfinnur
    @Herfinnur Před 2 lety +10

    You should do a “the early years” version of the Pack Rat where all the sounds are exactly the same

    • @impronen
      @impronen Před 2 lety +2

      Maybe make the version change knob not connected at all, so everyone can savour the major differences of the early rats?

    • @Herfinnur
      @Herfinnur Před 2 lety +1

      @@impronen LMFAOF!

  • @juanmarino4593
    @juanmarino4593 Před 2 lety +5

    Am I the only one completely terrified about people working in a factory where the only door out could not be opened?

  • @markm1514
    @markm1514 Před rokem

    Beautiful storytelling, please do more of the deep dives on iconic circuits.

  • @davidkieltyka9
    @davidkieltyka9 Před 2 lety

    Great ep! Love all the personal and historical detail.
    I first played through a RAT shortly before buying it. ☺️ Small guitar shop northwest of Detroit, spring/summer 1987. The RAT was used, an ‘84 whiteface, and had been modded to accept Boss-style DC power. I really liked how it sounded with the SG Special and Thomas Organ Vox amp I was trying out, so I got all three of ‘em!

  • @acynecki
    @acynecki Před 2 lety +3

    that relic'd prototype pedal is really cool, you should make the guitar pedal museum some day

  • @popsplace0420
    @popsplace0420 Před 2 lety +4

    Finally a new Longform show; God I've missed these..

  • @thejacobean
    @thejacobean Před rokem +1

    What an amazing episode. I bought an off-the-shelf, Guitar Center, $69 Rat and instantly found that classic Foo Fighters sound and my mind was blown. It is currently on my board for heavy blues rock (gotta keep the distortion low and it still absolutely rips). Filthy little animal, maintains clarity and punch. LOVE THE RAT. I would play a Lil' Rat but I love that classic black tank looking back up at me from the floor.

  • @JivRey
    @JivRey Před rokem

    That was an amazing video, thanks for all the good work and making it available to us. I play old school Death Metal and Yesterday I have crafted/recorded possibly the best lead tone stacking two Rat into wait for it, a Sovtek MIG-50 (It handles pedals like no other amp I have). A Lil' Rat into a 1992 (4a) Rat. The Lil' Rat as a Rat booster was quieter and better in this application than my OD-1, SD-1, TS808, etc. But thanks to your video, we all know now that this amazing tone is all about that Woodcutter thing :P

  • @beneath_the_woods
    @beneath_the_woods Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you for making these videos, the RAT is my favorite distortion pedal!

  • @UCzXVkBgACR256zX3LpxahjA
    @UCzXVkBgACR256zX3LpxahjA Před 2 lety +4

    @1:10:05 The font looks a lot like Eurostile, designed to match the shape of old TV screens. If it's not that, then it's definitely a clone, fonts are kinda like pedals. The font on top that says "DISTORTION/FILTER/VOLUME" is actually Helvetica.

  • @Hydrophish
    @Hydrophish Před 2 lety

    Love the vibe you guys have on camera. You can tell JHS is just a cool place to work

  • @FlankinspanK
    @FlankinspanK Před 2 lety +1

    JHS is a vibe. I love their compilation type pedals. Cant wait to see what comes out next!

  • @kalkidasofficial
    @kalkidasofficial Před 2 lety +3

    Josh, the world is asking for "the klon pack". You are welcome.

  • @_peachbeach
    @_peachbeach Před 2 lety +7

    Take a drink every time they say Rat

    • @SebastoCha
      @SebastoCha Před 2 lety +1

      2:05 I give in. Those guys are too tough for me !

  • @emersonbelland4982
    @emersonbelland4982 Před 2 lety

    The perfect episode to true your bike wheels to. I got them dished, radially and laterally true, and I learned a few things about screenprinting and opamps along the way. Thanks guys!

  • @daniellang3782
    @daniellang3782 Před 2 lety +2

    Excellent review of perhaps my favorite pedal. I first got bit by a Rat in a jam session back around 1992. The drummer had one, and let me use it. It was from the late 80’s, and I had to have it. He reluctantly sold it to me. Next came a 80’s White Faced Rat . They were identical sonically. It has been killing me for a long time listening to people cry that one is better than the other because it’s the same exact sound. In fact Rats are the most consistent pedals I’ve ever owned. Won’t go into how many I have or sold or have had stolen from me but a Rat is a Rat. Love these guys who say the chips sound different too, but sorry fellas, they sound exactly the same in reality. Thanks Josh and friends, you did a great job here. (I never thought of putting one on my bass, thanks for that too)

  • @danielhelderman5228
    @danielhelderman5228 Před 2 lety +3

    Josh, PLEASE make a JHS Clean RAT!

  • @bstoner1300
    @bstoner1300 Před 2 lety +7

    Next compilation pedal idea: The CEO - every boss OD/Distortion/Fuzz all in one JHS box

  • @erichsixnine1796
    @erichsixnine1796 Před měsícem

    The excitement Josh exudes in this episode is, I think, infectious. I wish I was this happy more often. The whole crew is exceptional, and I feel privileged to watch so many great shows.

  • @caarm1ne
    @caarm1ne Před 2 lety

    fantastic video and discussion. Learned more than I had intended to on a Wednesday afternoon. But i must say, as someone that consumes a lot of media, the passion for the subject matter is evident here and as always makes it even more engaging. Keep up the content.

  • @bmckee5430
    @bmckee5430 Před 2 lety +8

    Love your pedals & you company! This is the pedal I've been secretly stashing Reverb sales for. I have several JHS pedals on my board and my one request is that you start using an LED light that is less bright. They are so bright that I can't see the settings on stage or rehearsals in dark rooms. It honestly hurts my eyes. I have to put tape over the light! A few other companies do the same thing and it's really frustrating. Maybe I'm getting old and have bad eyes sensitive to lights or something, but please consider swapping in something that isn't so bright. Thank you!

    • @kma5699
      @kma5699 Před 2 lety +2

      More recently i noticed pedals are using bright LEDS. Not a fan of this either

    • @emersonbelland4982
      @emersonbelland4982 Před 2 lety +3

      I agree, but a careful dab of nail polish (in whatever fashionable tone you like) will bring it down 90% while still being useful. A wipe with acetone to clean up if you want to sell it and boom. No more complaints

    • @kma5699
      @kma5699 Před 2 lety +2

      @@emersonbelland4982 point is, manufacturers should know what customers want. This has been a pet peeve for me for over 10 years now. With all the LED fabs since the 80s since the advent of the LED flashlight, there is not like a limited supply of these (well maybe now there are with shipping shortages), and also the end user shouldn’t have to mod what was made correctly from the start. It wasn’t like manufacturers said to themselves 10 years ago, “you know what, i think people want a brighter LED lamp so they can see it easily on a dark stage” but then hearing complaints the LED is blinding their eyes for it being too bright. Stick to what works. All my pedals from the 80’s and 90’s never blinded me and I’m able to see them perfectly on a dark stage.

    • @kma5699
      @kma5699 Před 2 lety +1

      @@emersonbelland4982 I’m a stickler to keeping my pedals completely stock for resale value. Also not sure acetone around a painted enclosure would harm paint, as i know it melts plastic. Again this is an issue that shouldn’t have to be dealt with by the customer

  • @tehsamjones
    @tehsamjones Před 2 lety +26

    Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage

  • @gafarbello107
    @gafarbello107 Před 2 lety +2

    Love you guys, so so thankful for your channel and the history/nerdom you guys always bring

  • @zombiemosher1139
    @zombiemosher1139 Před 2 lety

    Great episode. My first RAT was a Brat which if I remember correctly I traded it in as part cost for an early 90s RAT 2 with the box & sheet(he has the box) which I still have, this was in 1998. BTW, Obituary use the RAT fully distorted into a driven JCM800 so it's not just a shoegaze thing. 😊

  • @topfacemod
    @topfacemod Před 2 lety +3

    I gaurantee you that "Captain of the Universe" moniker is a play on the Wall Street "Masters of the Universe" branding....and because they were hippies it was an ironic sort of thing. (JUST MY SPECULATION).

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi Před 2 lety +4

    I can't believe how Rat sounds just like what I'd want, but I still don't own one. And that I played a friend's Rat some years ago before knowing much about it other than having seen it around, and thought that pedal sounds stupid.
    It's mind-boggling to me that a company like Proco where they had pretty much one pedal product that barely changed and the back-stabbing was so big inside the house.

  • @ruvchbrevth
    @ruvchbrevth Před 2 lety +1

    What a phenomenal video Josh and JHS team! 😃 after Christmas I’ll be getting the pack rat, would love to see the limited reissue of the bud box rat with the hazard orange color way love the black box with the white colored rat emblem well done on the design!

  • @nealweaver5232
    @nealweaver5232 Před 2 lety

    Really great episode guys. You do great work, but this was over the top! Cheers!