Goodnight 2JZ? | 1200HP B58. Stock Block, Stock Bores & No Dry Sump!?

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  • When everyone was knee-jerk reacting negatively to the B58 engine in the A90 Toyota Supra, Stephen Papadakis & crew were the guys getting data, testing setups and then getting results on the 8,900rpm limiter.
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    As discussed, Papadakis Racing hasn't had a B58 development program without any issues, but I think after this interview we can all honestly say there were not as many as we all might have thought! From boost response to bearing and engine coatings, lubrication and cooling systems, the quest for more and more power vs grip, this interview covers a lot of ground.
    Getting 1200hp from the 8,900rpm limited platform, the team hits 2023 fresh off a championship win in Formula Drift and dives into further development of their 3.2L stroker version on tracks that favour more power, vs their tried and trusted 3.0L version on shorter runs.
    The 6 cylinder alloy block runs JE pistons with stock rings, aftermarket bearings via ACL or King Bearings removing one choke point for failure along with a Supertech valvetrain and post 2021 6 port A91 B58 head. A BorgWarner 9274 is used with the 3.0L build and a 9280 with the 3.2L ensures appropriate turbo response for the multiple title-winning driver Fredric Aasbø. Low boost is around 1.2 Bar, high 2.3 Bar (17-33 Psi) with help from TiAL wastegates and AEM boost control solenoids
    Also discussed is why the CSF Radiator setup and similar are now so often found in the rear of a drift car along with some insights into the stock lubrication system, Valvetronic setup and how impressive, or unimpressive in the case of the stock bearings, OEM coatings can be on modern engine builds.
    Not discussed but of interest, the car runs an AEM Infinity ECU, Injector Dynamics ID 2000 injectors delivering E85 fuel, Brian Crower 100mm crank, MOAR series I-Beam Rods, Gforce GSR 4 speed dog box, RS-R Custom Coilovers, RS-R Racing springs and Tilton 600 Series pedal box.
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    TIME STAMPS:
    0:00 - Papadakis Racing GR Supra
    0:15 - Most Winningist FD Team
    0:28 - Tuned In Podcast Episode 040
    0:42 - Why A B58 & Not A 2JZ
    1:55 - Time Moves On!
    2:14 - Cast iron Vs Alloy Block
    3:14 - Aftermarket Piston Design
    4:52 - B58 Cylinder Head
    6:06 - Valve Springs
    6:30 - Valvetronic Locked
    6:42 - 8,900rpm limit
    6:56 - Bearings a Weakness
    7:12 - Rebuilding & Maintenance
    7:50 - Oil Pump Setup
    8:44 - Lubrication System
    9:55 - Why Not Dry Sump Off The Bat?
    10:50 - 2 Turbo Options
    11:28 - Boost Control
    12:17 - 4 Port Solenoid Explanation
    13:38 - Turbo and Engine Packages
    14:50 - More Power, More 'Better'?
    16:09 - Throttle Modulation & Throttle Bodies
    16:57 - Boost Pressure
    17:27 - Cooling Package
    19:00 - Thanks Bro!
    19:14 - Free Knowledge. Grab it!
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  • @andrewable2634
    @andrewable2634 Před rokem +368

    This is one of the guys you SHOULD listen too!

    • @BurningRubberNz
      @BurningRubberNz Před rokem +3

      Especially his high rev sounds rrraaahh like a tractor pull setup

    • @myownname5
      @myownname5 Před rokem +5

      @@redjhon2053 😂😂 Clearly you haven't watched the video

    • @OMACARacing11
      @OMACARacing11 Před rokem

      Agree 😂

    • @myownname5
      @myownname5 Před rokem +2

      @@redjhon2053 His comment was a reference to Papadakis "high rev tractor pulling sound" in the video. You still clearly haven't watched it, schizo.. 😂😂 I'll help you out 9:21

    • @dabigbadwolf5081
      @dabigbadwolf5081 Před rokem

      @@redjhon2053 🤡

  • @XxmuncsterxX
    @XxmuncsterxX Před rokem +148

    Fantastic interview loaded with a goldmine of info. Thank you so much for making these. You’re videos and podcasts are nothing short of exceptional. Thank you guys.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před rokem +8

      Cheers for the support dude!

  • @MisterMonsieur
    @MisterMonsieur Před rokem +31

    Mr. Papadakis was very generous with his time and knowledge. Great interview, Andre! ✌😎

  • @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX
    @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Před rokem +76

    The "earlier" B58 they discuss is actually the later second gen B58.
    The B58TU is the engine they speak about. The two port exhaust is what BMW calls the "Medium output version" found in most later non-M Performance 40i cars. e.g. X5 xDrive40i, and apparently the supra. They use this in packages where space, cost, and efficiency are most important.
    Higher output second gen B58tu models, "High output version" , have 6 exhaust ports. E.g. G2X M340i, M440i, etc.. This second gen B58 also received various technology updates over the first gen, mostly to improve efficiency and emission control.
    All early first gen non-tu B58s had normal cylinder heads with individual exhaust ports. e.g. F2X M140i/M240i, F3X 340i, 440i, early G30 540i, early G12 740i, Early G01/G02 X3/X4 M40i models. This is the OG B58.
    Fantastic engine if you are considering buying one. Great to tune. Even better If left stock, the engine will likely outlive the BMW body it's inside of.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt Před rokem +2

      Probably outlive everything it’s in

    • @85CEKR
      @85CEKR Před rokem +7

      until the timing chain snaps. I'm not sure about the B58 specifically, but I've had it happen to me on my past BMW's and the chain on the B58 looks the same, a tiny little bicycle chain, and its on the back on the B58. I own my cars and drive a lot, so decided to stay away from the B58 when I saw that if anything they made their timing chain issue worse, I got an IS500 instead.

    • @seansiew5629
      @seansiew5629 Před rokem +6

      @@85CEKR the aftermarket support for B58 is rising, so it’s slowly climbing to the popularity of the 2JZ as a tuning platform with an extra time

    • @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX
      @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Před rokem +29

      ​@@85CEKR Craig, with all due respect that's a concern relevant to any engine with a timing belt or chain, which is essentially every passenger vehicle on earth, save for rotaries and heavy duty gear driven engines. Not to mention, Toyota chose this BMW B58 engine as one for their own production long before the Is500 was even announced. If it's good enough for Toyota, it's good.
      There is nothing particularly noteworthy about the timing chain or guides in the B58, aside from it's simplicity, being an Inline-6 configuration. The chain is made by IWIS, which makes chains for just about every brand and industry on the planet. BMW doesn't produce chains. In-fact, your IS500 has an IWIS made timing chain that is twice as complicated as this B58 at minimum, being that it has two cylinder heads and two more camshafts.
      Being that your anecdotal prior experience with a BMW timing chain was negative, I'm glad you found a car you like! Albeit, such a compromise as an IS500 which is essentially a knock-off version of it's german counterparts.
      Cheers

    • @85CEKR
      @85CEKR Před rokem +2

      @@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX it's really not nearly as much an issue with other brands, BMW is the only brand that has multiple class action lawsuits against them because of the issue, I'm part of 2 for 2 separate vehicles. And I'm not sure about the chain brand but I looked into this and the chains on all lexus/toyotas are massive compared to bmw's. The chain from our x3 was literally smaller than the one on my kids bicycle. When my x3 was at the dealer I managed to talk to a mechanic on break he said mine was one of 7 BMW's in there that day with a broken timing chain. If you want to dump alot of money into the B58 to bullet proof it and make a ton of power it's a great engine, if your a normal person I'm pretty skeptical. I've been a BMW fan boy for years and following them really close, everytime a new engine comes out it wins all these reliability awards and everyone praises them, then 6 or 7 years down the road reality sets in and people start to realize the truth, I suspect the B58 will be the same.

  • @bradclark1802
    @bradclark1802 Před rokem +106

    These videos are great for me, a beginner car guy, to understand the different ways people build for different motor sports. I've been binge watching for a few hours now and I can't get enough

  • @WillThat
    @WillThat Před rokem +41

    The video series Stephan did where he took apart these engines for the first time and figured things out is pretty amazing. Recommended watch for sure.

  • @Eduardo_Espinoza
    @Eduardo_Espinoza Před rokem +70

    Heck yeah! More Stephen Papadakis racing not just from his channel! :D

  • @blech71
    @blech71 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I remember waaaay back seeing El’Papi in the back of JG building motors while we were randomly picking up 301/303 house cams for our LS motors back then lol. He was a bit chunky… now he looks so healthy :)
    Stephan was always so very nice and rather quiet back in those days. He’s come so far and that is awesome! He made some of the most iconic Honda builds back then and now he’s a giant in the industry. Good dood for sure!

  • @hpa101
    @hpa101  Před rokem +50

    TIME STAMPS:
    0:00 - Papadakis Racing GR Supra
    0:15 - Most Winningist FD Team
    0:28 - Tuned In Podcast Episode 040
    0:42 - Why A B58 & Not A 2JZ
    1:55 - Time Moves On!
    2:14 - Cast iron Vs Alloy Block
    3:14 - Aftermarket Piston Design
    4:52 - B58 Cylinder Head
    6:06 - Valve Springs
    6:30 - Valvetronic Locked
    6:42 - 8,900rpm limit
    6:56 - Bearings a Weakness
    7:12 - Rebuilding & Maintenance
    7:50 - Oil Pump Setup
    8:44 - Lubrication System
    9:55 - Why Not Dry Sump Off The Bat?
    10:50 - 2 Turbo Options
    11:28 - Boost Control
    12:17 - 4 Port Solenoid Explanation
    13:38 - Turbo and Engine Packages
    14:50 - More Power, More 'Better'?
    16:09 - Throttle Modulation & Throttle Bodies
    16:57 - Boost Pressure
    17:27 - Cooling Package
    19:00 - Thanks Bro!
    19:14 - Free Knowledge. Grab it!

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před 6 měsíci

      Take $50 USD off ANY HP Academy course (even the 1000hp 2jz engine building course example!) with this coupon: CZcams50
      Enroll now: hpcdmy.co/50offytc - Taz

  • @SavageBunny1
    @SavageBunny1 Před rokem +20

    I just picked up a blown B58, for $150 bucks, I just bought it to take it apart and see how it's built, lucky for me the head is still good, crank is done, block is done, but 5 rods and pistons survived, what I thought was weird is that it's not a 2 piece girdle blocks like the N54's.

    • @gabeishere4990
      @gabeishere4990 Před rokem +1

      That's actually interesting because I believe many aluminum engines have a girdle to overcome the weakness of the aluminum.

    • @BalancedWhimsy
      @BalancedWhimsy Před rokem

      That’s the idea ig with a modular design family of engines.

    • @SavageBunny1
      @SavageBunny1 Před rokem

      @GabeIsHere Yeah I thought so too, the main caps are beefy af tho, still only 2 main bolt caps.

    • @spmotorsportsmachine5645
      @spmotorsportsmachine5645 Před rokem +3

      @@SavageBunny1 the nice thing about the b58 is the thick windage tray... or more like a girdle that they use to help stiffen and tie the caps to the block, we find the caps start to walk around the 1000hp mark, the liners are good safely for 700whp, at 800 we find they start to speckle and flake.

  • @nissejarnet
    @nissejarnet Před rokem +42

    I recognize lots of info from my S55 experience, i ended up controlling the oil pump at low load only and letting it go to its "emergency mode" at mid-high load.
    And fun fact, if i dont remember incorrectly, the plasma spray in the cylinders are almost double the thickness in the S55 compared to the B58 :)

    • @durin23
      @durin23 Před rokem +7

      youre spont on s55 does have a thicker plasma spray almost double,s55 is superiour in many ways,b58 has seen pre mature plasma wear on liner,some had to replace blocks at 40k miles.

    • @nissejarnet
      @nissejarnet Před rokem +5

      @@durin23 Yeah they probably played it safe with the S55 since it was the beginning for the plasma coating for BMW :)

    • @FutureProofPerformance
      @FutureProofPerformance Před rokem +7

      @@durin23 That sounds like the usual teething troubles for a new bore treatment. The nikasil and alusil were the same in their first runs, settled down after a few years as the process matured.

    • @gbales84
      @gbales84 Před rokem

      I'm not sure if the B58 uses the same method, but the plasma spray was an invention from Ford.

    • @durin23
      @durin23 Před rokem

      @@gbales84 i think gtr vr38 engine also has the same plasma spray around .05 thickness as s55 and those blocks hold 2000hp without sleeves

  • @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX
    @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Před rokem +9

    The orange IROX rod bearings are of the first direct admissions by BMW that start-stop systems kills rod bearings. They realized this with the N series engines that had start-stop retrofitted later in production life. These engines were never designed for Start-stop. They are the reason why rod-bearing failures have been few and far between on BMW B series modular engines, N63TU2 and above V8 engines, N74TU and above V12 engines.
    This orange coating is a polymer that essentially allows the bearings to run with little or no oil pressure for a longer period over a traditional bearing, without significant damage.
    The side effects of these bearings are a fantastic and welcomed addition to all STOCK modern BMW engines (maybe not so much a 1200 HP race engine constantly running 90 PSI oil pres.). These are an added buffer against the ridiculously tight bearing clearances BMW chose to keep to this day. They make the bearings that much less sensitive to occasional oil starvation, which is inevitable in every engine's life (Cold starts, air gap after oil services, high G forces, steep hills, etc..)
    If I could, I would have IROX coated bearings in every engine I'd every have. This trend will hopefully catch on before the combustion engine is dead.

    • @grein545
      @grein545 Před rokem

      Do you know if anyone has had an opportunity to check their bearings on a high mileage engine under normal conditions to see if the coating wears out?

    • @MrDAllen1124
      @MrDAllen1124 Před rokem +1

      Me personally, I'd use cryo and wpc on mine. At least that way I'm not relying on a coating to give me the results I want.

    • @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX
      @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Před rokem

      @@grein545 I'm sure it's sacrificial to some degree, eventually revealing what is a traditional rod bearing, which is still fine technically. In our experience, we have yet to see a rod-bearing fail under normal use on any of the newer engines with the IROX bearings.

    • @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX
      @XcoolcoolbeansbeansX Před rokem

      ​@@MrDAllen1124 Based on what? Forum posts? That opinion is a dime a dozen. Every old-head says the same thing. Those technologies have been around for decades, and while good, it's not for the same purpose. We've been through all that shit on the S54s, S65/85s, N54/55s, etc. for years.
      No matter what bearing you are running, you will be "relying on a coating to give you the result you want". Whether it's peened metal, or polymer, that's all a bearing is. In absence of oil film, the polymer coated bearings survive longer. In an ideal world, there would never be an absence of oil film. If that were the case, you could run the most basic single metal bearings on earth, forever, with no wear.
      Hope polymer coated bearings hit the main stream aftermarket someday.

    • @JimmieBrown-sg8fq
      @JimmieBrown-sg8fq Před 11 měsíci

      Perfectly described!

  • @neilpersen
    @neilpersen Před rokem +19

    Almost unbelievable. The B58 is clearly a great engine.

    • @X3R0D3D
      @X3R0D3D Před rokem +3

      @@redjhon2053 fanboy mad

    • @chrisginoc
      @chrisginoc Před rokem +1

      ​@@X3R0D3D 2jz fan boy?

    • @2seep
      @2seep Před 8 měsíci

      Every 3 liter engine has the same capabilities. Just depends whether you build it and have enough boost.

    • @2JZLS
      @2JZLS Před 7 měsíci

      I always knew it was going to prove capable because of how the N54 can go make 1000hp and 45psi on a _bone stock longblock and stock plastic intake_ lol. Not to mention, that car was stock DME, stock trans, and lasted for years and years of abuse 💀

  • @Wkrtxsrngr
    @Wkrtxsrngr Před rokem +4

    It was fascinating listening to these two! Both were so knowledgeable about the subject, it was amazing. Pleasure to listen to!

  • @thereignofdando
    @thereignofdando Před rokem +8

    Captivating conversation. Papadakis is one of the goats. I could listen to him talk about engines and racing all day - fantastic interview!

  • @fariszengi
    @fariszengi Před 9 měsíci +3

    the level of papadakis racing dedication is unbelievable. i think this kind of dedication is below one percent

  • @ldadol
    @ldadol Před rokem +9

    Papadakis makes some of the neatest and most well organized videos out there. They seem to run their team in the same fashion as well. Wish they uploaded more frequently

  • @kellysandford1877
    @kellysandford1877 Před rokem +2

    Another great one Andre! Always love an interview with Stephan

  • @BCs300z
    @BCs300z Před rokem

    Really enjoyed that interview and information presented. Great questions - both leading and trailing. Thanks

  • @se1663
    @se1663 Před rokem +1

    Great interview, as always. Thanks Taz 👍🏾

  • @smudger6461
    @smudger6461 Před rokem +6

    This material is absolutely fantastic ❤

  • @cognition26
    @cognition26 Před rokem +9

    Insane amount of information in this one.

  • @JH-jo9wt
    @JH-jo9wt Před rokem +6

    I love the way Andre irrespective of who he's talking to, breaks down what they've said so us laymen can understand.
    Give him a pat on the back from me Taz

    • @Alidilman
      @Alidilman Před rokem

      His the best 100%
      Love how he breaks things down

  • @sf2372
    @sf2372 Před rokem +6

    Whata awesome way to geek out listening to these two dudes. So the B58 is actually a sensational engine. SP did all the hardwork so we only need to build the unit

  • @DriftLifeAus
    @DriftLifeAus Před rokem

    Great interview guys! Thanks for sharing it.

  • @iceberglounge
    @iceberglounge Před rokem +3

    High f*cking quality video. I love that when Stephan mentions something you insert clips of what it is he's talking about (if applicable)

  • @TheGCJourney
    @TheGCJourney Před rokem +2

    Fascinating stuff!!! 19 minutes just flew by ❤

  • @krispykruzer
    @krispykruzer Před rokem +7

    Andre is down right the best interviewer out there.
    so respectful and always complimenting and adding to the conversation.
    it was a delight watching this interview....

  • @progressive_rc
    @progressive_rc Před rokem +1

    Stephen is the man!
    Great interview once again ;)

  • @MMOchAForPrez
    @MMOchAForPrez Před 6 měsíci +2

    Pap is one of the coolest, down to earth dudes I've ever met at a motorsports event! Full of both knowledge and patience. I know both HPA and Pap are both on tight schedules, but I would LOVE to see more of both of you together 😁😁

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před 6 měsíci +1

      He's a real one to the industry for sure and we love talking to him. We have an older interview with him but if you haven't heard it already his podcast episode might scratch your itch nicely for now: czcams.com/video/lrYpgQIXSSM/video.html
      It is on Spotify, Apple Music etc too, just search for the title of 'Tuned In' - Taz.

    • @MMOchAForPrez
      @MMOchAForPrez Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@hpa101 Great suggestion! I'm halfway through now 😊 Keep up the amazing work

  • @Hawk7886
    @Hawk7886 Před rokem +1

    What an awesome interview!

  • @DRNLR
    @DRNLR Před 9 měsíci

    Excellent information for a BMW newbie’s like me and relative information for previous engineering like the RB and 2jz . Great questions and responses to let us little guys learn about the details. Papa your knowledge is valuable to our community. Thanks again.

  • @bikotheanimator6169
    @bikotheanimator6169 Před rokem +7

    The best A90 Supra channel I followed is Jackie Ding. He just boosted his car to 760 or 790whp on stock block. It's crazy. My next car will be a 2020-2021 M240i x-Drive. I am saving up.

    • @bluesrike
      @bluesrike Před rokem +1

      They should really interview Jackie next.

    • @bluesrike
      @bluesrike Před rokem

      @@redjhon2053 Haha very funny. 🙄
      But no, not Jackie Chan. Jackie Ding.

    • @bluesrike
      @bluesrike Před rokem

      @@redjhon2053 I'm gonna have to look him up. Jackie Ding and maybe Dewey Dewitt are the only ones I follow in the grassroots racing scene.

    • @X3R0D3D
      @X3R0D3D Před rokem

      man those M2s are just so good. i will need to find one eventually.

  • @surachartsee9489
    @surachartsee9489 Před rokem

    Papadakis love you man👍 I have been following you since your drag’s years. Lot’s of respect 🙏

  • @Hydrazine1000
    @Hydrazine1000 Před rokem +1

    Metallurgist here. @4:12 The "steel plasma sprayed lining" is probably not steel but nickel-based. Some nickel-aluminium plasma sprayed powder mix that forms a base of metallic nickel with NiAl intermetallic hard wearing particles embedded in it. Since nickel is also ferromagnetic, you'd get the same reacton to a magnet as if it were iron. (Similar to a Nickasil coating, but deposited by a different method.)

  • @24alexash
    @24alexash Před rokem +2

    B58 had loads of aftermarket support. Been in the BMW’s for time now and everyone knows how much crazy potential they have

  • @rocketots
    @rocketots Před rokem

    Another absolute masterpiece,
    Thank you Mr. Papadakis and HPA!

  • @redsunsmr284
    @redsunsmr284 Před rokem +3

    Papadakis an OG in the Import game. True legend and pioneer!

  • @iceberglounge
    @iceberglounge Před rokem +8

    also crazy this thing rips... 3.2L 1200 HP, 8900 red line and just checking oil and filter haha

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt Před rokem +1

      B58 is nuts

    • @dj4monie
      @dj4monie Před rokem

      Most modern engines don't need much more than regular maintenance. In terms of output 1200 hp is percentage wise well within the design window of the engine. Hence the use of many stock components.

  • @moegamezzz3622
    @moegamezzz3622 Před rokem +1

    What a beast lol.. the motor and Stephan, perfect combo

  • @joshtoth-thomas5847
    @joshtoth-thomas5847 Před rokem +1

    Brilliant video. The man is a wizard with an engine

  • @TheChannel1978
    @TheChannel1978 Před rokem +8

    Best youtube channel for engine builders hands down. Another great interview Andre!

  • @bigdaddy69420
    @bigdaddy69420 Před rokem

    Very well done interview, props to you for asking some very good questions

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před rokem

      Glad you enjoyed it and cheers for watching 😎

  • @gothicpagan.666
    @gothicpagan.666 Před rokem +1

    That was a great interview, just like two industry guys chatting down the pub👍

  • @incolink
    @incolink Před rokem

    Papadakis is an exceptional human So generous with his knowledge and so articulate..

  • @tommybronze3451
    @tommybronze3451 Před rokem +2

    This dude made best part of marketing for bmw gear heads around b58 ... I'm not saying that his shilling or was prepaid, but the tear down and full inspection of the engine convinced a lot of people to b58, especially tuning potential.

    • @allboost70
      @allboost70 Před rokem

      He did mention being involved with Toyota. But to date the B58 falls very short from being a successor, regardless of manufacturer.

    • @tommybronze3451
      @tommybronze3451 Před rokem +2

      @@allboost70 not sure if it falls “very” short of 2jz, but my point was that it’s far better to tune stock than it’s bmw predecessors and he removed a lot of guess work for people trying “break the ground”. For example: not needing to dry sump it is a major good news, stock sleeves taking 1000hp, the list goes on.

  • @CitiZen1.0.1
    @CitiZen1.0.1 Před rokem

    Excellent interview 🫡

  • @carrellwashington4007
    @carrellwashington4007 Před 5 měsíci

    Good work fellas. Top notch on every level.

  • @geennaam1201
    @geennaam1201 Před rokem +1

    I was watching his original videos in his "quest for a 1000hp"
    Kinda lost track after that
    Nice to see the finished product now

  • @waldemargerhardt77
    @waldemargerhardt77 Před 4 měsíci +1

    This was top notch insight of a interesting new Technology ! Thank you Guys ❤

  • @tptrsn
    @tptrsn Před rokem +4

    Two smart dudes in this video!

  • @DrDre001
    @DrDre001 Před rokem

    Papadakis is the OG for the b58 builds. Loved his tear down video when it came out and his progress on building the car

  • @maloyaircraft1174
    @maloyaircraft1174 Před rokem +1

    Good interview!

  • @onedayiwillmakesomecontent

    I saw one roll racing (supra) at Tailem Bend near Adelaide, on the weekend. There was even a Z4, seemingly stock. This thing ran and beat a lot of big HP cars, it had been tuned for sure, but its traction obviously being a big thing, getting it down better.

    • @X3R0D3D
      @X3R0D3D Před rokem +3

      @@redjhon2053 fanboy mad

  • @CheeksMcgeee
    @CheeksMcgeee Před rokem +1

    Great questions. subbed

  • @peterscott5674
    @peterscott5674 Před rokem

    Very entertaining section, thank you

  • @bradhughes613
    @bradhughes613 Před rokem

    What a great interview

  • @PhamVans
    @PhamVans Před rokem

    Amazing questions, great stuff. 👌

  • @yorkiepit
    @yorkiepit Před rokem +1

    Making me feel good about the B58TU in my 2022 M240ix, had no idea how robust it is.

  • @a1saucin221
    @a1saucin221 Před rokem +2

    Saw the Supra in NC a couple months ago. Nice.

  • @zz4748
    @zz4748 Před rokem

    Amazing video with a brilliant dude

  • @PANTYEATR1
    @PANTYEATR1 Před rokem +7

    Man, 90 psi oil pressure all the time? I wonder if bearing erosion is an issue? Papadak is a legend. Thanks Andre and HPA Team💪

    • @Deep42Thought
      @Deep42Thought Před rokem +3

      they probably change main bearings before erosion starts show up... it's cheaper and easier to change them than rebuild whole engine

    • @PANTYEATR1
      @PANTYEATR1 Před rokem +9

      @@Deep42Thought it's been decades since i first heard of bearing erosion. I haven't heard anybody talk about it or contribute a failure to it yet. I started to think it was an old tale...

    • @Deep42Thought
      @Deep42Thought Před rokem +3

      @@PANTYEATR1 it's racing engine so changing oil and other wearable parts is worth the effort and easier on the budget. Same goes with dry sump. It's causing due to excessive vacuum. Also Merican drift is for kids with only 3 turns... for real one or two transitions and 3 turns? such a shame

    • @TML34
      @TML34 Před rokem +1

      N54’s run quite high oil pressure too. I think BMW is overcompensating with all their previous rod bearing issues. 😂

  • @despizedicon
    @despizedicon Před rokem +1

    Had a few wins!!! Yeah they do. Great team at Papadakis Racing. Go 411 Tuerck!!!

  • @heavyevo
    @heavyevo Před rokem +3

    After listening to this. Is the 2jz dead..No. is the B58 as good.. hell YES. Saying stock block but with stock displacement JE pistons isnt a stock block. Thats a built block even if its just drop in piston n rods. Drop in pisnton/rod combo in a 2j can do the same number. Happy the b58 is a true success. Better tech with earlier boost response.

  • @1donniekak
    @1donniekak Před rokem

    Always great content.

  • @larry4976
    @larry4976 Před rokem +3

    papa is the real deal

  • @gmax876
    @gmax876 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I love these videos !!!

  • @FreddyF249
    @FreddyF249 Před rokem

    I can listen to papadakis cars for hours

  • @Alidilman
    @Alidilman Před rokem

    Amazing to listen too 👍

  • @mr2_mike
    @mr2_mike Před rokem +3

    Two tuning heroes in one video?! ❤️

  • @markhooper5824
    @markhooper5824 Před rokem

    Fantastic mate.

  • @YohCanada
    @YohCanada Před rokem

    great questions

  • @Teledible
    @Teledible Před rokem +1

    This have been so informative amazing. Would love to have Papadakis’ take to do up a video/kit for a 700range hp Supra that will run also reliably for a daily.

  • @apm3rk
    @apm3rk Před rokem +1

    The interviewer is great!

  • @YungRanch
    @YungRanch Před rokem

    I could listen to him talk engine tech all day. As time passes, I find myself becoming more interested in the tech in the race cars than the event itself 🤓

  • @ncp61398
    @ncp61398 Před rokem +1

    love the z4 drift build

  • @rossermatthew
    @rossermatthew Před rokem

    Thanks Brah !

  • @DruNicholsMD
    @DruNicholsMD Před rokem +2

    Dual 3-ports! Andre, please do a deep dive into this!

  • @TheAnonymous1one
    @TheAnonymous1one Před rokem +6

    Sounds like 2jz lives on but there are some options outside of that now. All my stuff is 2jz but I will give the b58 credit for the street it makes a broader power band making it better off the line. All that valve and fuel system tech.

    • @visa5175
      @visa5175 Před rokem +4

      bmw m50/52/54, mercedes m103/104 i think those are also quite good choices. that b58 has so long stroke that its hard for bottom end + it has small bore = smaller valves i would say example 2jz still wins if you want the maxium horsepower and max rpm.

    • @bigjdm5460
      @bigjdm5460 Před rokem

      @@visa5175I noticed that last year. I forget but bore was like 82MM and a 92mm stroke.

  • @Frequenccy
    @Frequenccy Před rokem

    Great video

  • @garchompy_1561
    @garchompy_1561 Před rokem +3

    It's almost as if... almost... that inline 6 engines can almost universally make a lot of power. From jaguar xk, rb series, jz, barra, and so many more

  • @mervynmontague1811
    @mervynmontague1811 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Interesting and informative 🇯🇲 💯

  • @knightrida6829
    @knightrida6829 Před rokem +1

    I loved that video i learned a ton i knew i was right make best use of stock bmw b58 is tough will be my next car

  • @WILDSTYLEVOLATILE
    @WILDSTYLEVOLATILE Před rokem +2

    I've been saying this for years , since the release of the b58, totally slept on engine

    • @SaturdayWinter
      @SaturdayWinter Před rokem

      Slept on at release for the Supra but the B58 was out before the Supra's release lol

  • @astonmarjo
    @astonmarjo Před rokem +1

    I just love it when H.P Academy ask questions because my man with his knowledge gets the Top Successful Racers/ Engineer's in the industry to reveal all The Secret Sauce!!!! Pay attention Boy's and Girl's. Bravo 👏 bravo 👏🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁😎👍💯💯💯💯

  • @schnaufschnief5791
    @schnaufschnief5791 Před rokem +1

    German engineering is just on another level...
    You have to keep in mind that we're not talking about the full grown S58 M-engine which the M3/M4 has.

  • @liddz434
    @liddz434 Před 5 měsíci

    This is great!

  • @nicksomingenhar
    @nicksomingenhar Před 8 měsíci

    I saw the 4 episode of papadakis racing building and dynoing the engine, 3 years after we get this AMAZING car with and insane engine, compared to what people Thought/said about the B58

  • @Tuggernutz50
    @Tuggernutz50 Před rokem +2

    really impressed with the back and forth in this interview. I was fully expecting the usual line of questioning but this is some fantastic in depth talk on a really interesting build.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před rokem +1

      Glad you enjoyed it 😎

  • @abelincoln4374
    @abelincoln4374 Před rokem +6

    All the hate for the new Supra still bugs me, but it just makes it more similar to the Mk4. People won't realize how good it was until its gone.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před rokem +4

      People get crazy about the weirdest stuff. At least they make themselves stand out so they are easier to avoid in life 😅 - Taz.

    • @jacobmyers3868
      @jacobmyers3868 Před 6 měsíci

      People wanted a Toyota and got a BMW. How is it hard to understand why Toyota enthusiasts were upset?

    • @anthonywilsongolf
      @anthonywilsongolf Před 6 měsíci

      @@jacobmyers3868 how is it a bmw?

    • @SPiDAPOWGAMING
      @SPiDAPOWGAMING Před 4 měsíci

      @@anthonywilsongolf because engine is bmw drivetrain is bmw gearbox is bmw and multimedia is bmw basically 70% is bmw in the supra. W Toyota for choosing to work with BMW

    • @anthonywilsongolf
      @anthonywilsongolf Před 4 měsíci

      @@SPiDAPOWGAMING doesn't make it a BMW. It's a Toyota with a BMW engine and drivetrain

  • @johnnys.9040
    @johnnys.9040 Před rokem +3

    Not only is the B58 phenomenal, but now with the release of the S58, capable of 750wheel just on stock turbos, with the block's limit being higher than that too, Toyota's own 2JZ is pretty much only still better for a full blown 1800hp+ drag car application, and even there the A90 is catching up quick. Otherwise BMW has it beat.

    • @allboost70
      @allboost70 Před rokem +2

      Everything you've mentioned are all bolt-ons in regards to S58, which isn't a surprise. Give a stock 2JZGTE a single turbo and the ECU will adapt up to 500whp since 1993, or 550whp since 1997 on pump 91. Your S58 highlights are just later tech.
      But as for "stock block" the 2JZ still holds a higher factory longblock record. 'Factory longblock' means the block and everything in it from Toyota. Over 90% of papadakis's engine is aftermarket.
      If we were to build a 2JZ as much as papadakis has built this B58, we wouldn't just have 1200whp.

    • @tadda6282
      @tadda6282 Před rokem +6

      @@allboost70 saying "stock block" is kind of misleading. As long as the factory block is being used you can say its a "stock block".

    • @placeholdername3206
      @placeholdername3206 Před 8 měsíci

      @@allboost70 Bro, you're talking out of your ass im sorry. Pure clownshoes. JZ heads does not flow well. They never have. "If we were to build a 2JZ as much as papadakis has built this B58B30, we wouldn't just have 1200whp" No, it wouldn't have 1200hp, it would have less than that. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. If you had a 2JZ and a B58 side by side, with the exact same setup, the same compression, same fuel system, same turbo setup, same boost etc the B58 would make more power everywhere in the rev range because it's a modern platform and the head flows far better. Heck even the naturally aspirated BMW inline 6's from the 1990's outflow the JZ heads. You're free to go look up the cfm numbers on the heads. That's not to say the 2JZ isn't a kickass engine, but you're just talking straight nonsense.

  • @nickaiello13
    @nickaiello13 Před rokem +1

    When papadakis is involved, I listen.

  • @yanuardhana6457
    @yanuardhana6457 Před rokem

    Step always said that they build not just fast car, but also made Unique car and still competitve.Like Corolla that converted to RWD and use 4 Cyl instead 6 Cyl or V8. Good Content :D

  • @TRDKhanbrothers
    @TRDKhanbrothers Před rokem +5

    2jz will always live on, the B58 had all the new tech, which is awesome, better and smoother graph and it does seem to be reliable, just not sure for how long 🤪
    All the power still comes down to the cylinder head and turbo.
    Great info here, thanks for the explanations of the BMW engines

    • @tempeztad
      @tempeztad Před rokem +4

      equally reliable. there is always already past 100k miles and only failure has been the turbo( same as 2j ct turbos) besides that its the same story.

    • @visa5175
      @visa5175 Před rokem

      2jz 86mm bore b58 82mm bore, wich one can fit bigger valves? 😅

    • @tempeztad
      @tempeztad Před rokem

      @@visa5175 ROFL..

  • @DumbledoreMcCracken
    @DumbledoreMcCracken Před 4 měsíci +1

    He is an actual King

  • @DrAppleCrispies
    @DrAppleCrispies Před rokem +1

    Plasma plated sleeve well I just learnt something new 📝 ✍️

  • @monkeyduckwtfmonkeyduckwtf5235

    Хорршее интервью! Спасибо, пацаны)

  • @robertphillips9014
    @robertphillips9014 Před rokem +3

    2 jz never dies.

  • @cheesepizza87
    @cheesepizza87 Před rokem

    Informative, brilliant questions, can we get some of the “barn find celica” Mr Papadakis
    HP always learning me

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  Před rokem +1

      Maybe next podcast episode. If he has time we'll chat to him again for sure 😎 If you didn't catch his episode already you can find it here: www.hpacademy.com/blog/040-building-a-reliable-1000hp-4-cylinder-for-formula-d-podcast/

  • @BjornFSE
    @BjornFSE Před rokem +1

    Lovely 🙌🏽