Is Fixing Art EVER Okay? (Why Are Art Fixers Still Doing This?!) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY
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There's not just "whitewashing". It was equally agitating to me when I had shared a drawing of an indigenous OC (I myself am an indigenous person) and someone decided it was "Whitewashing a black character" and blackified it. :| Apparently my race doesn't exist.
Finally, someone to point out that blackwashing exists 😭 I can understand how, at times, it's done with genuine good intent but in most cases it's a sloppy, poor excuse for a depiction of black people with a "REPRESENTATION" sticker slapped on it
If you really wanted to represent us, look into our culture! Look into what makes us us- Make an OC based off of that. I refuse to believe that taking a preexisting design and slapping on a different color is proper representation.
Also, "blackified" 😭😭😭
Yep, blackwashing and whitewashing are the same actions, and usually the people behind these fixes still come off as raging racists no matter what the character is being changed to. I’m so sorry that happened to you, it’s dumb and it really should stop.
Like with Genshin Impact, do people not think there’s different tones of skin color aside from white and black? Apparently the middle doesn’t exist anymore.
@@milkhoney45
Nah because people be thickening the lips and such too and I'm sorry but I swear last two years big lips were a racist stereotype of black people
@@kaej8273 because it can be, it depends on how it's drawn.
@@afunkylittleguy
Honestly they often seem like overly thick and in a kiss like look
Drawing a character as a reflection of yourself or an AU is perfectly fine, but when you say it’s “fixing” the character, then it gets bad
While i agree art altering is bad the genshin char edits were because the actual person the character was based off had MUCH darker skin than they gave her and it was literal white washing of a representation of a person who actually existed
Not an excuse to edit someone elses art without permission tho but it was more than just tryna represent ones self mihoyo has a MASSIVE issue with not actually caring about any culture beyond ones they are part of with their offensive and poorly researched representation in sumeru
Yet having had good respectful rep in liyue and inazuma
Yeah, that's true. I don't know every single charater in the game but the darkest most characters get is a few tan ppl like candance and kaeya
@@littlelavilion9795 I do also want to point out that even though your point is completely correct, genshin impact never confirmed that any Nation in Teyvat is inspired by one culture. While Mondstadt is very much inspired of German speaking countries (Germany, Austria, Switzerland). And Liyue of Chinese and a lot of its indegenous group, and Inazuma being the only nation solely inspired by one existing Country. It makes senses that at the end of the day Genshin is just a fantasy world with inspiration of the real life, it is not supposed to be a world that we know in real life, like Honkai. And while it those draw inspiration they aren’t the same people that we know, which makes re-drawing characters an issue. And Hoyo is obviously doing what brings them money make pale characters bc China is still colourist (sadly).
Conclusion: We shouldn’t argue that redrawing characters is the right thing when those characters are only loosely inspired by irl people and then call it canon.
If anything we should more pressure onto Hoyoverse to finally listen to our international demands without boycotting the game and gives us more skin colours like it’s laughable that we can count all darker skinned playable characters in one hand
@@jessicahuber2519 cadence is based very specifically off a REAL PERSON , Kandakes of kush who had much MUCH darker skin than the character. Regardless of what they have officially stated or not it IS white washing
And a pretty clear indication of one of the cultures they mean to reference.
@@jessicahuber2519 fair point though again i don’t agree with redrawing anyones art but i see no issue with artists doing entirely original pieces with different skin tones as long as they don’t make them lighter
I think main issue here is consent. There are some art fixing channels like Saito Naoki's where viewers send him art and ask him to fix it in a future video, which is educational. Unwanted fixing is just being an asshole
It's always the case of consent, look at the whole deviantArt and AI crap. Same thing, NFTs? Yup that too.
even critique without consent is not good imo
100% the only people who have ever "fixed" my art has been given permission and was for educational purposes! Fixing someones art without permission is just defacing it in my opinion.
Exactly. Its all to pick a fight and then probably claim they're a victim when they're confronted about being an asshole.
At that point it is genuine criticism based on intent. Every time Naoki Saito “fixes” an artwork, he’s trying to better fit the concept the artist is going for and this making changes that appeal to that. However, “fixing” in the online sense is to overwrite the intent of the original author under the assumption that they dont know what race their character wants to be and then spreading a racist agenda by falsely assuming that the skin should either be lighter or darker because chronically online people dont know what an actual person of minority looks like
my art was 'fixed' about half a year ago. the 'fixer' took my art and made all the characters skinny and completely changes their facial features from my western cartoon style to fit a more manga type style. after asking them to take down the post we kind of argued for a bit. they claimed to be helping me by showing me how to actually draw, then suddenly they claimed to not know english once i brought up the fact i did not consent to my art being used. i just ended up blocking them after they started purposely using bad grammar-after they had been texting perfectly fine earlier-soon enough after their account had been taken down. i'm glad they targeted me as their first 'fix', an artist who can take that sort of thing without being too discouraged because it'd suck if they managed to get to a beginner artist and caused them to stop drawing altogether. all in all, i hate art fixers so much.
They really tried to pretend they weren't English fluent to get by with *"Fixing"* your art 💀
I think the worst part was the fact that they assumed changing your style into one they found more appealing
(Manga/Anime inspired) was "fixing" art.
*_How is someone's art-style a problem??_*
@@stephaniecourteoreille5972 yeah they really didn’t do anything to “fix” the art other than making the characters skinny and making their facial features softer. the change in body types completely screwed up the dynamic poses and compositions as well. so in conclusion, what we’ve learned is art fixers don’t know how art even works fundamentally
Im so sorry that this happened to u
@@cetowo6343 tbh better me than a more self conscious beginner artist
Object lesson. Take screenshots of all interactions with these people. Then when they go hypocrite on you turn the tables and show everyone.
True story: Long ago, I almost « fixed » an artwork I found online back when I was young and stupid.
I wanted to make fun of the art and prove how EASILY you could correct it.
In the end I… gave up. I realised it was more difficult than I expected and I wasn’t skilled enough to draw what I wanted in a decent way.
That was a huge lesson of humility I’ll never forget. 😂
The only people I look down on for their bad art are the ones that bring out "how to draw manga"-books because it's easy money to make. If you don't have a clue of the subject, you are a fraud and misleading young, aspiring artists.
Honestly I don’t think you should fix someone’s art without their permission it’s honestly really rude. But if someone says that “hey can you fix whatever is wrong with my art so I can improve?” Also I think fixing art is stupid for example with the knuckles situation like he is a red whatever he is like it shouldn’t matter if someone draws him white or black he is red.
Agreed! The term "Fixed" suggests that there was something wrong with the art in the first place ,but how can one determine if art is wrong or right?
i wouldn't call that a fix. I'd call asking someone for help as asking for constructive criticism the artist can use for future improvement. I don't quite understand why the words Constructive Criticism are seen as evil 😅 to utter aloud
without consent it’s super rude but i get the knuckles one specifically, his creator has talked about viewing him as jamaican before.
@@meikahidenori some people mock others under the excuse of "constructive criticism"
@@meikahidenori You sound like someone who harasses people under a guise.
Turning white people to other races and turning skinny people fat is just as disrespectful as the other way around. I really wish people would treat the actions like they both matter and not give excuses cause it's 1 group vs the other. It comes off as if they don't care as much as they say or are willing to make excuses for something they claim to think is reprehensible(not specifically this content creator but just generally)
Your comment needs more likes bc it's so true.
Honestly this is literally the first person going through mental gymnastics to say ‘well it’s kinda ok when minorities do it’ instead of just ‘art fixing bad.’ Her bias is clear and I’m honestly embarrassed for her.
@@RaccAttack77 literally there are other unbiased artists and creators that addressed it better than Celestia.
Welcome to the "it's ok, but only if..." culture.
Where anyone can get away with anything, as long as they are in your "little echo chamber" club.
how so let i check the maker of tekken did that he made fat bob skiny bob as dlc charater
Complaining about Sumeru drama:
Why do people think middle eastern and indian people are all black?..as a middle eastern turkic guy, we have diversity. Everyone has a different skin tone. White or dark. (We are still white even with natural tanned skin.) So you western art fixers kids who suck at geography should know that there is no problem with the skin tones of Sumeru characters. I think Sumeru is representing my culture very well and i feel nostalgic, i don't want y'all to ruin any of our fun
I mean, I disagree as an Indian person. People in India and the Middle East definitely aren’t all black, but there’s a whole bunch of different shades of skin tones found in the places Sumeru was inspired from, ranging from light to dark. Genshin doesn’t really get much darker than slightly tan, which is just disappointing.
I’m having fun in Sumeru too, but the skin tones and the diversity there isn’t as accurate as it is in the real life places.
@@charadreemur8884 Lmao, true. The skin tone isn't very diverse, but I don't really mind considering this is fantasy game.
I honestly don't think they can do more too considering they're being watched by government. At least global server is save because we're in their branch headquarter.
@@charadreemur8884 i know but i don't think people should go out of their way to "fix" their skin tones because there are people with that skin tone in middle east and etc. Actually being light-skinned is more common in Middle east rather than dark, idk if that's the case for India. Personally my skin tone is like Candace but still. I do think there should be darker characters
To me, it also feels problematic for people to be demanding a majority of dark-skinned characters in the jungle and the desert, but not caring about diversity in the world as a whole.
@@charadreemur8884 The game is from China. They casually whiteface their own people. If you think you're treated with racism, this is the one time you can be sure of it.
It's also not a given that every fantasy world has to resemble the real world in all it's nuances. There can be blue skin and pointy ears, and no one would bat an eye.
I find art fixing to be problematic because it takes attention away from the original artist and gives it to the "fixer." Most people who fix art only do it for attention, which is a really rude and selfish thing to do, and it also damages the reputation of the original artist because it causes their work to be seen in a more negative light. It's not even about representation or anything for me, since if you were so upset about it, you could make your own art instead of stealing someone else's. Art fixers don't make anything original, and instead piggyback off of other artist's works, often erasing the deliberate stylistic choices that the artist made.
The worst of all was the Scooby debacle, where the "fixer" had the gulls to put THEIR watermark on it.
Art fixers just want to feel more better or self important and be right.
But people who have genuine criticism will show you how to improve by giving applicable steps that you can take action on. I don’t mind if fixing it’s used as just as learning moment and not to bash somebody. Saying “hey you could do this and will help you. Here is my advice. Take or leave it” vs “haha you suck. I’m better than you. Haha. Look I did a better job” is a big difference.
Everyone has critics. It comes with the territory except when it comes to straight harassment and bullying. Now that’s just petty.
Re Genshin: people also assumed that all the light skinned Sumeru folk (mostly Akademiya) are good and the dark skinned folk (mostly Eremites) are bad because they're combatable. But it turns out the Akademiya are 99% bad guys (or at least insufferable) and the Eremites might have a point actually
And yet commissions and dailies keep making the player fight the Eremites because "they're clearly a menace to society and will cause trouble sometime soon, source just trust me bro"
Just goes to show those doing the fixing have absolutely no idea about what they’re trying to fix. Ie, not actual fans of the material
Eremite is just some people try to survive life, they like treasure hunter. We sometimes vibe with them.
Meanwhile the sages are greedy people.
@@mitacestalia7532 eh actually there’s some good people in the Akademiya, some psychos in the Eremites. It’s just not as strictly black and white as people were assuming. Again, just goes to show these art fixers really don’t care about the material characters are from usually
My personal problem with sumeru region eremites is not that they are attacking us or anything, but as they are mostly from the desert they became the "Common human" enemie from sumeru tô Farm, and bc most of them are dark skinned, idk... It feels wrong u know!?
I know that some of them are bad and ALL, but they could have aded more lightskinned enemies in the eremites, If my memory dont fail me, they only have 1 lightskinned enemies, the buffer eletro blond Guy
But them, ALL the guards from akademyia or mostly ALL of them are lightskinned, even tho there have been more immigration to sumeru from before the beggining of the archon Quest ofc 🤡🤡🤡🤡
After ending the of the final archon Quest fortunatly the story Goes in good way for the eremites, and Thats ALL i gonna say
But yeah, i dont feel good with most of them being darkskinned enemies, and also most of sumeru researchers also being lightskinned, with only sertaria's being a dark skinned that works in the akademyia...
I think the biggest problem is how it's often unwanted fixing. LeoMK is an art youtuber that I like a lot and, tho he does art fixing videos from time to time, it's always with arts that were submitted to him with that purpose and he tries to keep things like style and bodytipes, normally keeping the fixes to technicall points (like the way that the face alines, how perspective influences certain parts of the body, etc.)
Besides, I don't think redesign of anime/game/cartoon/etc is bad. It's different from fixing designs, it's creating a new version of an existiting character
that's not art fixing he's doing. he's offering constructive criticism, which is a good thing, especially if someone has asked for the assistance. CC is always a good thing it's such a shame so many people think it's terrible thing to ask for.
@@meikahidenori i wouldn't say it's not art fixing, it's both cc and art-fixing, because he explains what's wrong and why, but, ultimetly, he edits and paints over those things, even if just to show how much it can change a painting's looks. It's just that it's consensual art-fixing and criticism, so it's okay
Naoki Saito does the same thing!
The only thing I disagree on is that even widespread media shouldn't be "fixed".
I am completely ok with redesigns, but there are "artists" and "art" channels that go out of their way to specify that they are "fixing" a cartoon or a movie.
Of course, that could be also said in reverse, whenever a cartoon declare to be "fixing" the OG source is equally rude, maybe even worse because:
-they use the mass media to spread their vision and, more often than not, use minorities as a shield
-they influence younger audience that, maybe, never watched the OG product that their version is the right one.
Two exemples of bringing change on mass media, first right, second wrong:
-She-Ra and the princesses of powers did a lot of race swapping and changes in sexuality building on characters that were meant to fit a stereotype to easily fit the merchandise they were trying to sell, however they declared that they wanted to build something new for a younger audience that maybe wouldn't be interested in the original style of She-Ra, aka a cartoon commercial with cheesy morale lessons at the end of the episode. They never insulted the original cartoon and more than once put references to it as a love letter of sorts.
-Velma's creators more than once openly bashed everything Scooby that came before (more often than not proving to know nothing of it) claiming their version to be undeniably better.
She-ra is a remake, a "redesign" of a sort, in terms of what an indipendent could call it, while Velma openly claims to be "fixing".
Privates and mass-produced industry have equal rights to their art, but should equally be held accountable for what they do to other people's art.
@@brotquel1592 I understand what you're saying and, regarding to your She-ra and Velma comment, I agree 100%, but, about the fan redesigns, not only did I talk specifically about redesigns, not 'fixes', but I see two situations happening on the 'fixing' that I don't think it's 'bad' or whatever:
1- Clickbaiting: usually the title will be 'Fixing 'X show' horrible designs!!!' and then the video is only redesigning and says that there is nothing really wrong with the original, it's just not their taste. In this case it was a matter of clickbait, something essencial to get attention on CZcams.
2- Actuall prejudiced designs: it happens a lot that a show will take a black character and whitewash them or give them steryotipe characteristics (donut lips, for example), then the person does the 'fixed designs' not to make some actual change, but for themselves and the fans to be able to see what could of been of the character. Not really somethinh with malicious intent or that it's trying to change the original, because they know they won't be able to, but just to, normally, catch attention so other people can realize it's a problem and talk about it.
Other then those two, I really don't see situations in which 'fixing art' would be acceptable to me. I just really can't see any of those as bad things, one is clickbait and the other is about public awareness.
as a lightskin west asian person, the 'fixing sumeru characters' situation is really hurtful for me. i know mihoyo should add more dark skinned characters but almost all of my life, ive been told that i am just 'not dark enough' to be a real asian person and people darkening sumeru characters skin feels like another way of saying that
If it's any consolation, they're not saying that, they're just protesting the lack of skin color variation.
@@angelic252
But only when there are too many light-skinned people, never when there are too many dark-skinned ones.
@@angelic252 They are saying that. Quite a lot of people say that exact thing actually. Also even if they weren't explicitly saying it, what do you THINK they are saying by darkening a character cause they believe they don't look like they should for where they are from?
@@uanime1 Exactly. I'm not really surprised but still kinda am, that that hypocrisy wasn't called out in the video
@@uanime1 because there aren't too many dark skinned characters in Sumeru, what are you smoking.
Fixing art is never okay as unless you got permission from the artist to do it and as long you don’t change the looks of the characters skin color, body types, hair, race or sexuality.
did you mean "unless" or "even if" in "never okay as long as-"?
im just trying to understand you is all i mean no harm
@@cometisV2 I meant unless sorry about that confusion
@@mooniekitty3619 you can edit comments on youtube
@@IsomerSoma I know that
@@mooniekitty3619 Then why not edit your original comment to avoid confusion?
I think it's so prevalent for 2 reasons.
1. It makes bad people think they're doing something good
2. It generates a lot of attention
Exactly, crusade mentality sucks.
Well said! You just said what I did in my original comment without two paragraphs LOL
@@Wastelandman7000 My teachers always told my parents that, at least, I'm good at summarizing XD
To quote someone who's a nice person but very ignorant about certain organizations, "you right!"
Well that's my only big issue with Cellestia's video here.
She gives a clear cut "it's awful" reaction when it comes to whitewashing a POC (rightfully so... it's disgusting to do such a race change).
But when it comes to the other way around, then all of the sudden she seems to have "sympathy" for the art fixers because they are doing with "good intent". Granted she still said that they shouldn't do it, but God this was infuriating.
Thanks for reminding me that as a person with pale skin, a problem that effects everyone somehow matters less in my case because I don't rate high enough your silly minority Olympics ladder.
Art Fixing is wrong. PERIOD.
"Good intentions"? More like a bunch of self centered narcissists who do it because they crave attention.
Yes, representation is a good thing. And should be championed.
But don't use representation as an excuse for unexcusable acts.
I think the worst case of art fixing I ever saw was related to a manga called "slave harem in another world" (apparently its a really trashy isekai harem series.)
The cover of one of the volumes, featuring a white elf girl in a black, semi-opaque, skin tight bodysuit, was posted on twitter by the publishers, and a bunch of people saw it, and saw the bodysuit before the face due to weird cropping by the bird app, and assumed she was black before seeing her face and realising that she was just wearing tights on her whole body. So these people decided to "fix" the art work, recolouring the girl to have black skin. Completely missing that this girl is a s*x slave in the manga.
Lol i remember a different CZcamsr making a video on that.
Yeah it was dumb.
The layers of irony and darkness in some of these art fixes is just...beyond.
I'm ashamed I actually googled the title to check if it was real (of course it was...)
OH MY GOD NO THAT IS SO BAD
When someone tries to be so progressive that they end up being racist
As a person with body insecurities I never felt attacked by the body proportions many artists draw. Being able to draw a variety of body proportions is definitely not easy. I draw mine stick figure like since I am not talented enough to make them curvy or chubby (yet). It looks extremely goofy and I still have to work on that
Hang in there and keep practicing! Nobody starts out drawing perfectly, or even well. Even professional artists don't always follow the rules. Jack Kirby and Rob Liefeld are good examples. So, its OK to not be "perfect" especially as you're just starting out. So please don't be too hard on yourself, and keep on practicing. 😁
I wish you all the best with your drawings! I'm sure you'll make something great!
I've said before, fixing art is not okay in my books, unless the artist asks for it. Nine times out of ten, "fixing" art ends up blowing up in peoples faces.
I got chewed out by a Sonic fan bc I "dared" to draw my Sonic OC with toes (bc at the time, I had trouble drawing shoes) bc in her own words "Sonic characters don't have toes bc in the Sonic Adventure art, they don't have toes!"
I was about to say something like, " *Sticks the Badger crying in corner* "
But turns out, she actually has shoes 😶
I completely thought she was a fully unhinged, forest-dwelling gremlin. (with no shoes)
Broo that Sonic fan can't be that much of a fan bc the way Sonic characters' feet are depicted varies, even from game-to-game. Sometimes they're paws, sometimes they got toes, sometimes they're just blobs. Therefore there's very few ways you could draw them "incorrectly." but more importantly, WHO in the world is getting up in arms about Sonic's feet? 😭😭
can't imagine what they'd do to me lmao, I give em beans n claws personally. so silly that that person thinks that too, there have been many depictions of mobian feet in official material, so I don't have a clue where they got this as a requirement they could force on others.
@@jillydawn Chris chan for one
@@jillydawn wow. Seriously if they don't have toes then why they have fingers?
I think my main issue with fixing art, as an artist, is implying that the artist was wrong to do something a certain way, especially when it comes to style and race, because that is up to the artist, not you
Quite so. You may not agree with the choices the artist made, but, as you noted, that's not your choice. My response to them would be, if you can do better, make your own. The tools are more available and cheaper than at any time in history Hijacking someone else's art is just lazy.
Which is why their attempt to defend art Fixers that backwash a character because it's "representation" is fundamentally wrong.
And undermines their message that art Fixing is wrong and should stop.
Art "fixers" are trash and it's never okay, ever. The one and only ever exception is if the original artist asked for something like a red line or to illustrate some constructive criticism that was asked for.
I think it can be summed up with the difference between consent and force. These "fixers" are forcing their views on others unasked.
I saw the same thing happen when the She-Ra reboot was popular - I'm a fan of the original 1980's show, it means a lot to me and I did not care for the reboot that much at all. But seeing people who were drawing the ORIGINAL cast of characters, and then being targetted for "whitewashing Catra" when it was CLEARLY the original 1980's verison was like..... an even bigger motivation for me to not want to watch the show.
Fans don't realize what they look like to an outsider when they do things like this. Regardless of how great the show is, if your fandom is acting like THIS then outsiders are only going to assiocate that media with toxicity. Look at Steven Universe, Voltron, Genshin - all have a pretty good cast of diversity, but the toxic fandom overshadows it all so no one wants to assiocate with it at all /:
(i hope all of that makes sense-)
Personally I simply don't watch something that massively changes the canon of a series. But, I don't make a big deal out of it. I may make a comment once in a while, but, I don't go bonkers. I vote with my wallet and my views.
Again, personally I feel like making arbitrary changes to suit an agenda disrespects the original. So, I'm not for whitewashing, blackwashing, or any other kind of washing. If Marvel cast Blade as white I'm going to have a fit. Same reason I don't like Ben Grimm (who has always been Jewish and blue eyed) being arbitrarily changed to being some other color. Ditto making Naruto into an Indian or an Eskimo. Bottom line, if you do any of the above, I will not view or pay for your media. Canon exists for a reason.
The right way of doing this in my mind is to ADD characters. Create something new and amazing that adds value to the thing you are referencing. Create a black princess and her band of freedom fighters who are fighting Hordak and have her join forces with She-Ra. Have a black prince come and help Guts fight the Godhand. You get the idea. Instead of destroying canon, you're adding value to the existing canon.
You aren't missing out on too much. New reboot has better action scenes. But it lacks the nostalgic campy charm of the OG series. All in all the reboot is Mid
I've seen that sort of thing with other stuff as well.
One big one was with some Battlestar Galactica characters who were changed in the reboot where there were people who got blasted for using the other show as a basis for it with both versions of it.
genshin does not have good rep(sumeru)
@@pizzalord88 What are you on about? Since when did genshin promise rep for sumeru? That's something people like you came up with on your own 😭
No, it is not okay.
If a stranger starts randomly touching your stuff - will that be okay?? No, it is rude. It is not different in art. Hating artists for their art style is just straight-up dumb. I've seen so many making fun of young artists with unique art styles and they were not only commenting harmful stuff on their videos but also uploading their "fixed" versions. Another example was people giving advice, although they are not asked for it and keep continuously complaining about bad representation, bad anatomy etc... Constructive criticism is, in most cases, welcomed but unnecessary mocking and demanding to ""fix it"" is not okay. We all start somewhere and need time/practice to grow. Nothing will be perfect the first time.
Genshin fandom is calling for diversity for so long, however, it is up to Hoyoverse if they listen or not. People are free to leave and find a better game that gives them the representation they seek. Yet most of them just keep complaining but still keep on playing. The thing that bothers me is that most of these 'black edits' aren't even good - it often looks lazy edited...
(This is mostly on Genshin bc I play it actively)
Instead of seeing edits of existing or known characters, I would rather see an original characters made by the fanbase. This way you get to choose everything with that character: skin color, hair color, eye color, weapon, powers, and you can even do voicelines! OCs are an amazing way to explore the world without tramping over a character who's probably been done and decided on before we ever saw them or even leaks (if you keep up with them).
Some people are just *ssholes tho. They don't care for what they're fixing: it's just virtue signaling. Then again I've seen that on Twitter. And I've left Twitter mostly lmao
Sometimes I even wonder if those people have some short of fetishis for dark skin because most of the time the fixed versions come from accounts which systematically turn anime characters or others art into dark skinned versions, and not even in a good way since most just use Photoshop multiply layer with a plain color. Plus it's really ironic how whenever someone says the character looked better before, they come with the "race isn't an aesthetic" right after having modified the character saying it looks better like that. Hypocrisy ⬆️⬆️⬆️
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock I've actually seen that on Twitter 🤦♂️ I don't get people.
@@ShowMeLoveFilms In fact, recently Dehya's drip marketing appeared and there are already a few people who did this, all of them doing the very same thing of using a plain color over the skin. I cannot describe it as anything more than coping because at the end of the day Hoyoverse doesn't care and won't change the characters while they are so dumb to complain but pay for the character anyways
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock it's a very unattractive cycle 😶
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock Dude, it’s NEVER been a fucking fetish? We literally just want to see characters that we’re connected to look like us and like to connect with them. Yeah we can make OCs too, but OCs aren’t the only form of media that we get attached too. And might I add most of us don’t agree that saying they’re “fixing” is right at all.
I hate when people "fix" other people's art. Even if their art is bad you could just leave a comment about how they can improve. People also "fixing" artist's characters are also shitty. I don't think it was mentioned in this video but it's something that bothers me.
THIS.
Minor, tiny correction; so MHA/Genshin/etc characters aren't "white" in the way people in the West think, they're east Asian (predominantly Japanese in the case of MHA and Genshin, the former being set in Japan, the latter in a fantasy-land heavily inspired by Japan). But they're drawn the way they are due to coding - which is something all cultures do with their art (even white folks) and the exact way it's done changes over time (see medieval European and pre-Meiji Japanese compared to modern). Coding is why kids in Africa, when drawing stick figures of themselves and their families, don't colour the heads in.
Anyway, if you were to compare skin tones of East Asian and Middle Eastern peoples, they're far more similar than the official Genshin art and the majority of the "fixed" versions (hell, many years ago there was an Iranian on my Uni course, and none of us knew they were Iranian until we spoke to them, we thought they were South European). And given that most Genshin characters are drawn by Chinese artists...
I don’t care what was “wrong” with the original piece- you have no right to go in and fix it for them. You’re supposed to ask them if they want critiques whether it be verbal or visual. It should always be done in private, never public. Art fixers are trash people.
Indeed
tell that to hollywodo there black wahsing many whtiel charaters and think its ok
IMO, one of the most EGREGIOUS examples of the whole art fixing thing was the whole uzaki-chan debacle. People were Straight up ANGRY over her for the design and other trivial reasons, and people drew her flat as a board to prove SOME point.
Holy shit I remember some art fixer making her chubby, hairy and dark skinned and in the description said "Cis men need to stop sexualizing women" or sum as if dark skinned, hairy, chubby girls cannot be attractive or be object of attraction...
And as someone who checks on almost all three its just... Horrible that they can be so offensive by trying to be progressive
@@marir.s3620 That ALSO seems to be a reoccurring theme among these art fixers as well. By trying to make something PC or unoffensive by their own sheltered standards, they end up making something even MORE problematic, offensive and quite frankly dehumanizing towards the people they claim they want to represent as a result.
@@longislandicedtea6323 EXACTLY! These people are all sorts of ass backwards
It bothers me because I've personally met people with uzakis body type. Infact may "unrealistic" body proportions in media are pretty much spot on for people who I know personally. I know women with the Pixar booty and women with the hentai tits, some of them I've known since we were kids and had the honor of seeing the change happen. Like yeah diverse and realistic characters are amazing but, it shouldn't come at the cost of invalidating the existence of people who do fit those "unrealistic" types and actually turns diversity into just a stereotype
Before Uzaki, the art fixing debacle was also notorious with Pyra, Mythra, and Dahlia from Xenoblade 2 back when it was recent. Lots of artists and others mercilessly degraded the entire game for being overly sexualized, then drew Pyra with drastically reduced breasts and 95% covered skin, boasting how improved she is because of them. It really was the Uzaki case pre-Uzaki; some things just won't ever change
Art fixers = Rejects, Outcasts, Failures, Dissapointments in life
You don't "FIX" someone's art, you "IMPROVE" your own art.
When I see the comments about Candace saying ‘HER SKIN IS WHITEWASHED!’ even though some confirmed Candace to be olive-skinned, it not only pisses Egyptians, but also other countries who have olive-skinned tone.
Look, I get their point why they want Candace to be darker, but their excuse of ‘I’m fixing her for the inclusivity of representation’ still bugs me till this day. That even happened to the fixed art of Scooby doo and the gang.
It’s like I don’t even exist as a brown/olive-skinned asian.
Isn't Candace supposed to be based off of a Nubian queen, Kandake? Who are primarily dark skinned?
@@mothxii5598 no. Kandake isn’t even a person, it’s simply a royal title that is the origin of the name Candace.
Candace I think is clearly Egyptian. The Eye of Horus on her head, her golden eye representing that mythological object, the Eagle on her shield representing the form Horus took as a man’s body with an eagle’s head. An ankh on her neck, yet another Egyptian symbol meaning eternal life or resurrection. And she has the skin tone of a typical Egyptian. That’s usually as dark as they’re gonna get over there. There’s never been any issue to begin with, yet people zone in on the name Candace as proof when there are far paler and definitely not African women named that as well.
@@mothxii5598 they're Also a difference between Inspiration and and actually putting that irl figure into a game. Candace other than her name bears not similarity with the title/ person. Unless that person was also the defender of a fictional village and was blessed by the gods to control water and can see the future. Not trying to be rude just wanted to add something.
I actually have light skin but due to my father i have somewhat olive patches on my arms and my hands but i got most of my tone from my mother for some reason, i wonder how that happened...
@@shannonn2569it may spread (it’s an actual condition that sometimes causes it to spread)
on the note of genshin, i do like the redraws made by people from the middle east, or who know alot of that culture
Yeah, like fanart or redraw of the character is fine, at least there's effort in here.
If its just a redesign and not blackwashing, we good. But thats usually not the case for characters currently, unfortunately
mhm, im an arab the designs are not accurate. Not saying I hate it, China is known to hate arab countries iirc. I love the designs but not accurate.
@@drqlingchi9615 looking at the art I do see Indian/Pakistani or syrian. Like the light skinned ones. Honestly I saw the genuine art and looked over at my Indian co-worker and was like....kinda accurate actually lolz
@@mimaaellian2678 blackwashing isn’t a real thing
Fixing art is never okay, i don’t care what the reasons are if you just want representation, doing that stuff actually takes away representation when the person is a POC but on the lighter scale, it’s never okay to art fix in general but that’s the one i see all the time and it really annoys me.
I think the best way of getting their representation is to create new characters that are awesome. Problem solved without having to cause endless drama.
it is ok to fix art of the pason made it for you and said you can
@@ssjgotenks2009 if you have permission then go right ahead as long as you're not rude about it
@@Wastelandman7000 or just draw the thousands of already existing characters most annoyingly dumbass people "fixing"dc characters to be black and pretending that somehow dc doesnt have characters like static,icon,vixen,mr terrific,steel,etc. these race "fixers" in the name of representation see only legitmacy in white established characters
@@ssjgotenks2009 thats what i would call a redraw
I think art fixing is some kind of public shameless unsolicited extreme criticism
It's like saying "Your art is soooo BAD that you don't have the right to post it online", "Your art is actually HURTING people"
"Ideally, your art should be deleted from social media, but I can't do that, instead, I will post the """FIXED""" version of the art so people will know how bad your art is and how good my tastes are"
"but, Why I am fixing your art rather than produce my own thing from scratch?, Because I need to make the point:that your art is wrong and it need to be fixed for the sake of what is right"
Yeah, you can TELL these art fixers are made up of people who can't create to save their lives.
I think you summed up pretty well why it's still happening so much. People who do it to be "helpful" think the criticism doesn't apply to them because they're not trying to do harm, and people who do it maliciously just don't care about the criticism.
Also 6:02 this is specifically the Mystery Incorporated version, not the original 60s one (Velma has hair bows, which is exclusive to her depiction in the former) ;)
Aw that's even worse! Mystery Incorporated was awesome! I'd even argue it will be proven to be more diverse and less toxic than the new show.
My problem in terms of fixing art and people accused of "whitewashing" is when the character wasn't being whitewashed at all, but instead the artist has a different sense of lighting. For example I've seen an artist be harrassed for "whitewashing" Nessa from Pokemon Sword & Shield when she wasn't whitewashed at all, you could still notice that Nessa was a poc, it's just that the artist's lighting style and colour saturation choices made her skin look slightly lighter than the official artwork.
Even funnier when they purposely grab the darkest shade if they do a color picking example. And grab the lightest shade of the art they are critical off.
Like sure dude totally a fair comparison.
Saw ppl straight attacking someone who didn’t color the skin of any genshin characters, including colored ones. (Specifically kayea) meanwhile someone who did literally black face in the genshin community gets to stay and ppl defend him to death and back. I love genshin but the fandom is absolute trash
That image of Candace that was "fixed"? I ended up getting into an argument with someone who defended the change. They argued she's Kush, due to her name, occupation, and I believe her eyes (Kush also had incredibly dark skin). I believe they also made a mention that her heterochromatic eyes are a reference to the warriors being half-blind or something. I forget. Me, I argued that Candace was Egyptian, due to her clothes, the symbols on them, her eyes referencing the Eyes of Horus (Sun and Moon), and the fact that her shield was blessed by Bennu, an Egyptian deity who is associated with a Wagtail and Heron, both of which appear in her Skill and Burst.
That person ended up blocking me.
Genshin Candance is a human (so not a goddess, spirit or anything like that) Desert Sumerian and having one of the highest position among the Desert Folk with her hieritage being closely tied to the village of the Desert Folk.
No matter her irl inspirations, worldbuilding-wise it makes sense that, in terms of ethnicity-related traits she would look like typical person among the Desert Folk, which she does.
@@vladprus4019 Exactly what I was saying. Well, the argument was more the culture she's supposed to represent.
personally i find it strange, i'm an african artists and my friends and i are working towards opening our own company to make our own comics, cartoons and what not, it will be inevitable that most of the characters and stories will reflect us and there wont be as much representation for other races if i'm being honest, because we will be telling our own stories. so personally i dont take issues with genshin's characters or shows not having "representation" because i dont really think forcing others to represent me is a good thing because i wouldnt want it either.
the thing that is troublesome is so many raceswap art fixers only see legitimacy in white characters, like they draw black supermen and dont care about blue marvel or icon . also comics and other media has a ton of black characters ,yes they arent mainstream in the general public but many are well recieved in the comicsphere ,thats why its so annoying that they justify every race swap with representation even though instead of a raceswap it would be a perfect opportunity to introduce the og black characters to the general public.
Yes, people should create the media they want to create. It's not creator's job to put representation, it's their job to create quality work. The only issues I would have are when creators are ACTIVELY or subtly racist in their work, ie. having a token POC and treating them very badly within the work. What I don't care about is if creators simply want to tell a mono-race story. Sometimes your experiences are just with your own people and that's the story you want to tell. Forcing people to throw random shades of skin in there for the sake of "representation" is both pointless pressure on the creator and also a very shallow way of appreciating the races you're asking to be added in.
Art fixing is one of the reasons I haven't tried to post my art on other social media platforms. Along with the fact I don't want someone to make assumptions about some things. For example, my oceanid Nebula. She's a dark skin character and a villain. I don't want to get accused of Nebula being a villain because she is black. I made her a villain because I like making villain backstories and characters in general.
Your oc sounds really cool! I like the name you came up with. :D
No you can't be hypocritical if it's wrong for anybody to fix art you have to be on both sides of the equation you can't say it's okay to take established characters and make them another race for diversity and inclusion and then if somebody else do it out of malicious intent it's okay no because blacktober is even stupid because it's not them saying hey draw black characters is them saying hey race swap classic white characters because everybody's too lazy to even look and you research on original characters I mean art fixes depending on what the situation is can be good or bad but we're not about to sit up here and say one is right and then one is wrong over the whole thing of diversity and inclusion
When it comes down to the morals of misguided people when they use the phrase "fixing art" some of them might have something of a savior complex that leans towards accidentally (or purposely, unfortunately.) harming others.
Or on purpose. I've seen enough of these people deliberately doing it to pick a fight its ridiculous. And then play victim when they're called on their behavior.
Just dropping in the comments section to say, I love your Yume Nikki fanart! It's so beautiful and the composition of the piece done well in highlighting Madotsuki as the main character. 💖
The arts from Yuma Nikki? I plan on having a look at it, would you recommend?
it's because of this horrible trend that I know have an akin allergic reaction whenever someone uses the term "fixing" even in the most common usages. xD
I also 100% agree with the unsolicited critic. Maybe it's because I have been raised to always asked before I do anything that I cannot understand how it is so hard for people to ask an artist if they want to hear the criticism they and when the artist says no to just drop it. Just because critic is important to improve does not mean you have the right to do so, when they don't consent to it. And no, them uploading their art on the internet does not equal consent for criticism. Just don't be a dick and respect peoples boundaries.
Yeah this. I asked another artist if I could redraw their comic. I was a comic artist who loved reading others work, and one really looked like fun with all the expressions. Even if I felt my art was better, I recognized good writing in people who struggled with the art side. And I struggled with that. I only hope they got some attention from my audience, because they had an awesome oc universe built up.
Takes zero effort to ask, and if they say no, so be it. Nos aren't uncommon, nor the end of the world.
Tbh all these "art fixing" is just recoloring with the paint bucket, or sloppily drawing over the og art. Like just draw your own stuff man instead of pretending your better than someone
The Scooby do art fixer did that to be a craphead. There was no reason for that person to do that at all. The Velma show trailer already did enough to start strife and here she comes and demeans that persons style. There are so many other Hanna barbera characters that are like Mystery Inc that they could have made but no go and piss that artist off.
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This is why when I make anthros human, i use the Equestria Girls method. Just make the skin color the same as the fur color.
My aproach to the genshin thing is that although it's disapointing to not see a wider variety of color among the cast (Which can easily be explained by the fact that mihoyo is chinese, a country that historicaly believe that the height of beauty is pale skin like in japan) having people complain by the lack of representation is rather stupid, since the environment they create often reflect the country/region it's based on.
With sumeru that is mainly based of india, it's interesting how a fantastical representation managed to capture the duality of the country both geographically and socially. India is a very divided country with a wide range of sceneries, from overpopulated junktown to high-tech private district, as well as an environment that goes from luxurious flora and wildlife to straight-up sand everywhere.
Representation goes beyond skin-tone, and those that stop at that are usually the most racists without knowing it, because cultural differences and learning about them is so much more interesting and important. So yeah, a bit of a disapointing situation, butit didn't had to be met with that much stupidity. Art fixers need to be wiped out.
As a side-note, I'm very exited about Fontaine and how they are going to represent their vision of France, considering the amount of contradictory prejudice their is about my country.
As a big genshin fan since around when it first came out. I think the fandom needs to recgonze our little victories a lot more, since it's launch so many have complained about the characters all being pale, (even if they are from area were people have more olive colored skin), then we got Xinyan andddd… almost nothing, they even made Candace and Dehya have slightly darker skin which i was pleasantly suprised by. By no means is genshin perfect, but there also our little victories, we also have to take into account that the character are heavily influenced by the ideals it's chinese game developers hold. It is not made to pander to a "western" point of view. Also I apologize for any typos or badly worded things, i wanted to be as delicated as possible with wording.
edit: also no matter what we do or say Hoyoverse could care less. I would also like to remind everyone by the time we get our first peaks at the characters they have already been put into the game meaning that they're already gone through god knows how many concepts and have code and dialouge and almost everything. The earliest we have ever gotten leaks is the one that include Kokomi, Yaoyao, Kazuha, and more and they still changed A LOT between then and their release, if we ever get a leak like that again THEN would be an ideal time to complain. But our usual leak time gives us none.
You're completely right about this. It's the sad reality of China itself really. They look down on those with darker skins. People be tryna say there's no excuse for Hoyoverse for not making darker skinned characters without really looking into the deep issues in the society Hoyoverse has to live with as a whole. As much as I completely understand the representation issue in Genshin, its unfortunately going to take a long time for players to be listened to more.
Good points however
The game is released globally, so they should cater to a global audience, not just china.
The game is inspired by multiple regions
Whatever chinese beauty standard they have is no excuse to make some darker skinned characters, other chinese companies such as those who made Dislyte made far superior character designs with different body types and races, so it should not be hard for hoyoverse to do the same . And also their only canonly stated black characters story is carole from honkai impact who's mother seems to be a stereotype of black women and Carole commented on how dark her skin is which it isnt, so these are very racist and colorist views right in front of you and you cannot defend this.
And from someone who has taken programming classes I can tell you it is very easy to change ingame stuff like skin. It takes like a day at most. While I love genshin for many things its colorism and sort of stereotypical take on its newest region isn't one of those, and theres no excuse so imo fans who edit skin color especially for genshin shouldnt get flack because they have such little rep to go off off and I could write an essay on how important rep is for children growing up and how people perceive others but I'll leave it at that. I also tried to word this carefully. I am not darker skinned but I take these words from those who are
@@destiny_ultimatedork675 there are other layers of complexity to it though, in that a company producing art/entertainment in China is working under a level of creative restriction imposed by the government that the western world inherently balks at.
Even in a western company, the artists and designers can't just make whatever they want. Their designs have to be aproved by a boss/board of directors before it's made oficial, and they have to either change or keep things a certain way to receive that approval in a "that's what you're being paid for" basis. Designs that do not match the criteria get scrapped, and either altered to fit or never see the light of day.
Now, imagine if on top of the restrictions that team receives from their bosses, they and those very own bosses also need approval of the government to put their work out *and* that government is very much not a democracy.
There are, of course, exceptions. For example Dislyte (as you mentioned) and Lilith (the company behind AFK Arena) both waver through those restrictions with aid of their chosen style and environment. Genshin doesn't have that benefit. Their style is very much wuxia-like chinese anime, and there's an added difficulty in straying from the expectations that come with that.
So even if they wanted to listen to the fans, the pushback they receive from the 'forces above' is much greater, and, because of it, changes that match what we want are also a lot slower.
@@destiny_ultimatedork675 Even if it is a global game, the issue is complex in its own way. Realistically speaking, China is not the type of country to listen to the wants of global players right away. It's not an excuse and I'm not defending Hoyo and the society they live in, but I'm just explaining the mindset of China itself. Fortunately in a Western society, we have the privilege to speak freely on representation issues whereas those in China do not. On our end, we can't really do much which is sad. Change isn't going to be immediate but it will be progress over time.
@@NaBa.3. Well said. As an East Asian myself, its completely hard for people to understand how complex the issue is. People aren't just ready to hear that China is just the way it is.
Years ago, I commissioned an art piece for a story I was writing. The story took place in the Harry Potter universe, and centered around the time of WW2. To give you a quick simplification, the character was an immortal valkyrie, and was a double agent working for the British ministry for magic, and was close to Grindlewald. In the story, I played up the idea that Grindlewald had some tie to the Nazis; and requested the art show that. So the character had a decidedly Nazi looking uniform on, but lacked key details. Like the arm band, and some other aspects of it. I shared this image with the story I wrote, and generally forgot about it. The story was well received, and I went on to write several in the series, with later images showing the character through the years in various outfits.
A few years ago, several of those images which I had commissioned, started making the rounds on various 'anime' forums. The art was also 'fixed', to varying degrees. The first image lost the entire context of why the character was dressed the way she was, with Grindlewald being removed from the image, as well as Dumbledore, and anything magical, she gained a Nazi arm band, and swastika, and a host of other changes. Her wand becoming a cigarette, and some other framing changes. (You may very well have seen the changed art piece).
I used to try to stop people from sharing the modified art, but every time I did so, I was vilified for doing so. Either I was trampling on someone's idea of how my character should look, or more shockingly, I was told that I deserved that treatment, because I'd obviously created a horrible character in the first place.
I've pretty much given up on the series, and character. At one time, I was seriously considering writing a book documenting her life and the things she had seen living on the 'fringes' of the Harry Potter world... but the way people destroyed a character which was actually a rather interesting character, with a rich story, it's put me off ever writing the final chapters to her story.
Really glad you covered this. I was very curious what you thought about the issue. Great video.
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19:59 there is also a channel called Naoki Saito Illust Channel, he is a professional artist and does a series of correcting viewer-submitted art
Those videos are very helpful not only to the artist but also the viewers! He points out some really great tips
I wanna thank you for the speedpaint in the background. It makes good learning material especially the first min
You’re one of my biggest inspirations! Thank you for existing I guess.
This video was actually very helpful for understanding art fixing, and the nuances in the ideas of changing existing characters or art to suit different needs vs fixing a piece of artwork. Thank you
Part of me honestly thinks art "fixers" are nothing more than trolls. They want to be abrasive and cause a ruckus. They feed on the negative attention, not really caring about the cause they're supposedly fighting for.
Especially when they're a detriment to that cause (unless you're dealing with a racist "fixer," at which point they're a lost cause).
I wouldn't say they're trolls. Malicious attention whores is more my description. A troll may just be bored and trying to cause some drama because they're assholes. Attention whores are OCD about it. Its a lot darker than just trolling.
as a person of color myself id say that the vast majority of those art fixer doesn't actually care about representation they just cares about pushing an agenda or about filling a superiority complex an example of that was zena fixes art or zena hates fatphobia that is how you find her in fakebook she even went as far as correcting a drawing based of a real person imagine finding a drawing on internet of you but dark skinned fat and hairy like wtf
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Hoyoverse has absolutely no obligation whatsoever to provide any type of representation. They get to make what they want, and while making darker characters would probably get them a lot of praise, they still don't have to if they don't want to. Blackwashing someone else's art is totally a thing, and the only time it's ever okay is when it's not done maliciously, but because it's an artist's headcannon. I believe if an artist wanted to whitewash a character for that exact same reason, for their own personal headcannon and not an attack on the original, that should be okay too.
One thing that hardly ever gets brought up in this discussion is that sometimes, art fixers troll the community by whitewashing a character in defense of a previous controversy. Back when people were hating on Nessa fanart for not making her "black enough", some artists intentionally put out white versions of Nessa as a way of saying "it's my art and I can do what I want." It was them saying "my version of Nessa shouldn't be offensive to you." Of course, there's also that infamous "gorilla" Nessa someone made to emphasize the absurdity of a character being "black enough". That sort of thing is obviously in poor taste, but I find the reason why they did it a bit more than just racist douchebag trolling.
Ultimately, I feel that, at the very least, whitewashing and blackwashing should be looked at in the exact same context. There's no moral or righteous cause to force an artist to appeal to a certain demographic if they don't want to.
And let's not forget the glorious backfire of the Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o vol. 7 cover incident, where the cover character was given a dark skin tone... and then it came out that she was a sex slave...
Art fixers don't even seem to look at *what* they're actually "fixing"...
i'm not a visual artist (if you ask me why i'm here, i don't know either) but i really never understood fixing art... like i'm 99% sure most cases artists don't intend to be racist, and yeah calling it "fixing" implies the original is wrong, which itself is (most of the time, in my opinion) not right 😅
i love this madotsuki drawing!! good job
I lot of the stuff I hear people say to why they are justified in fixing the art is because:
1. It's owned by a million dollar company and the artist got paid to do it, so they won't care that someone who's not getting paid is fixing it for fun.
2. The artist didn't say specifically not to do this, so they probably don't care.
3. That the person who is complaining about it doesn't own the character, so they can't be upset about it. (Even if they drew it).
4. That they made it better because the artist who drew it was racist/fatphobic when there's no indication of that being true.
People just need to leave others’ art alone. Whether you’re trying to suppress minority representation or increase it, taking someone’s art without their permission and changing it to fit your biased opinions on how it should be makes you a smug asshole regardless of your intentions. As far as I’m concerned, the intentions of the person doing the “fixing” doesn’t matter at all, they still did something shitty by taking something that wasn’t theirs and feeling they had the authority to alter it. There are people out there who think that as long as it’s in the name of increasing representation, it’s perfectly okay to steal artists’ work, humiliate them by claiming it’s wrong, and making baseless accusations against them like saying they are racist, homophobic, etc.
People even do this with ORIGINAL CHARACTERS! I saw one post where someone drew an OC with white skin and someone had the audacity to change the skin-tone to something darker and accuse the artist of whitewashing, even though this was an original character the artist made up themselves. Fixing art is only okay if the art is GENUINELY harmful and malicious, or if the artist themself asks for advice or redraws, and even then, you can’t just go around slinging accusations at people. People forget that Hanlon’s Razor is a thing that exists and automatically assume malicious intent where, most of the time, there really isn’t any. There’s actual racism, homophobia, sexism, body-shaming, slut-shaming, etc. in the world, and using mostly harmless art posts to make those accusations makes it that much harder for people to take these real issues seriously.
I will say, off topic as it may be, that the Scooby Doo Spinoff show seems to be trying to offend as many different people as possible with it's redesigning of the characters. It's a whole crap shoot and I"m fairly positive that was the intention. Which is sad, because the trailer looks like it could have been well made.
I've been an artist for well over 15 years now, but I'm hesitant to post much of my work online because I would completely lose it if anyone "fixed" my stuff or tried to bring their savior mentality to the table. So it stays mostly for mine and my friends' eyes only.
likied as soon as i realized you were drawing madotsuki, such a good game!
unsolicited critique on tiktok has made me stop drawing for while and once i started up again i was too afraid to post my art online (and still am) for the posibility of it being mocked and bashed. I am a fairly young beginner artist who is overly sensitive and i dont get why poeple get that. I cant belive it SO normalized especially on the generally toxic app of tiktok. Just dont try to fix my art god damn it
"Fixing" might be okay as a study tool. Using different skin tones that you maybe don't use as often, changing limb sizes, etc. could each be good learning tools for the "fixer" but I agree with the video that it isn't good to shame artists or give inwanted feedback. It might be better to just use what I said as a study tool and not post it and put it in a folder or delete it after you're done.
Or if you do do it, ask permission to re-imagine it from the original artist as a study tool. And if you post it, make clear you're just doing this to learn your craft better. Most artists will be flattered, and almost certainly say yes. And ask to see it when you're done. That sort of thing is completely OK and respects the original artist.
The biggest problem most of us have is the "fixers" who don't ask the original artist's permission, post your art, often mangled, and when the fixer is called on being an asshole they play victim. That sort of thing is intolerable.
youer drawing is super spooky i love it
After watching this video you literally became my favorite youtuber! Everyone is saying "fixing art is bad" but why? "because...yeah" i agree with everything in this video
Regarding the piece in this video, I was excited to see you were painting Yume Nikki! The atmosphere is so effectively spooky
I was thinking, and because art is so complicated, that ultimately what determines whether or not you’re a good artist is if you’re able to successfully replicate your original and intended idea onto your media.
I think "fixing" someone's art is just insulting. "This isn't good enough for ME."
I think one of the main reasons is because at this point our generation is so desperate for attention that it doesn't matter how the world sees you as long as it sees you.
And this is pretty much what happens in any audiovisual aspect nowadays.
"There's no good or bad advertising. Only advertising".
That's why, for example. Some companies keep changing classic characters (like Scooby Doo gang, the Little Mermaid...). Because they know that even if they're gonna get a lot of backlash. It's gonna me attention and money at the end of the day.
You're not gonna watch the movie because you like it, but because you wanna hate on it and see what everybody's talking about.
You don't go to a fixer's channel because you like what they're doing, but because you wanna hate on them and see what's going on.
Just attention.
I used to think that fixing art was only a thing super radical SJWs did, but seeing the art at 3:15 which has some homophobic/racist/transphobic undertones made me see that is coming from both sides.
Anti-SJWs do this a lot too, honestly from what I've seen.
There's nothing wrong with drawing your own interpretation of the characters in a show or movie. But it's wrong to change another person's work, especially when that person didn't give permission to do so. Awesome video!
Also, I love art/writing critiques, solicited or not.
Your drawing of Madotsuki looks great
The title kandake is for nubian queen mothers, designing Kandake as non black is black erasure. All this could've been avoided if hoyoverse just employed black character designers. But hoyoverse is a million dollar company. There is literally no point in "fixing" Kandake since they don't care about black erasure. It doesn't impact their sales. It's like arguing with a wall.
So what i say is just to move on and support black artists instead.
FR, also hoyo is a big company theyre not gonna cry cause a 11yo changed a skin color of a character (that should be black anyway)
@@vee7014 Yeah i just don't get why they'd use black history but don't want to put black characters. Makes no sense
Facts. I hate when people act like darkening them is blackwashing. They Han-Chinese washed BLACK people and characters FIRST everyone else is just fixing them back.
I get where you coming from but just wanna point out…black people can have skin colors similar to Candace…I would know…because I am one of those black people. Not only that but I but from what I remember, someone had pointed out how Candace (mostly her clothes) seem to also take inspiration from Egyptian clothes (and correct me if I’m wrong on this which I probably surely am the symbol on her necklace looks a lot like the Ankh symbol), so it seems she’s more a mash of both Amanirenas (I think that’s how you spell it) culture and Egyptian culture. Not saying it’s wrong to say Candace may have been better darker…just wanna point those two things out.
@@vulpiixfoxx I know that black people who aren't dark skin exist, i am one myself (biracial) btw. But it's still erasure to me because being black isn't limited to skin tone: it's also hair texture and facial feature which Kandake in genshin doesn't have.
I get that Hoyoverse still did a little research on some aspects of clothing so they weren't completely wrong, but if they can research clothing, they can research physical features. Kandake should've been a black woman, now she just looks south east asian to me
If it’s commercial product for a large project or series I think it’s a moot point snd becomes an edit. The artist has been paid, and it’s for fun. People are free to make poc edits and they don’t hurt anyone.
The issue is using the art of smaller artists against they’re wishes.
I actually like redesigns of characters, mostly because it's interesting to see how other artists interpret someone's lore.
And then there's just changing their skin tone with no regards to how it changes the outfit's feel. Like making a character with lots of cool colors a dark reddish brown
It's the people who are loosely attached to reality and doesn't think and care about any consequences.
hi celestia! this was such a helpful video and i agree wholeheartly with your points but i wanted to ask, do you think it's wrong to edit/alter a popular media character to correctly match your personal headcanon/redesign on them? not claiming you "fixed" it as you said 'cause the whole fixing it thing is wrong, but rather seeing them in an alternative view! you mentioned it's okay when it's your own art and take of them, but i think editors can generally be excused too if their intention is just to show the character as they'd like them to look like for their own personal comfort and they don't claim to have fixed it, but i want to know what you think
4:16 OH HELL NO! how come making a black character white is racist but making a white character black isn’t? By the way for every time a black character is made white a thousand characters were changed from white to black
7:52 Damn way to double down on the wrong issue or ignore its much more prevalent antonym
4:39 ok I should at least give you credit for mentioning this
10:28 No if changing black characters to be white is bad then doing the same to light skin characters is to. Sumeru may be based on the Middle East but that doesn’t mean there’s gonna be more black people, because in case you are unaware there is a long range of skin colors in the Middle East and in the jungles of Sumeru most of them are gonna be white like how in the deserts of Sumeru most of them are tan
11:11 finally something we can agree on. There’s a lot of good potential for representation but that requires actual work for developing. Most people believe black history starts and ends at slavery and actively ignore everything before that.
Any kind of color washing is not ok. And frankly, it speaks volumes to me, how careful she thinks she needs to phrase, that maybe even black washing is not ok and that it depends on intention, and we can't assume ill intent but just maybe etc. (calling representing a minority a 'legitimate reason')
NO!
'Fixing' an existing character for the sole purpose of changing their ethnicity because it was 'wrong' before - which is clearly implied by ceiling it fixing - is racist. Period.
Having representation in itself is a good thing, but not by trying to make an existing character into something they are not. Create new and amazing and interesting characters of all shapes and colors and sizes! Make real inclusivity.
And stop groveling before those that say it is ok, for fear that they will call you racist, when it is them that are blatantly so! Sometimes you have to tell things as they are to make people wake up, instead of politely rephrasing it to soften the blow.
I really like the art in the video!
If im being honest, making edits of Genshin art to draw them darker (splash art/models) is valid, I’ve only seen trolls “fix” art.
I think it's more of a problem when it's over someone else's art you can make fanart and you'll be fine. No it's not valid to make them darker over the splash art and models it's incredibly rude and you can draw it yourself + it's not drawing them darker it's coloring
@@kaej8273 rude to whom? The multimillion company? The team of artists who probably went through a bunch of versions of the character and in the end went with what the higher ups told them to?
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I meant the artist who is FORCED to go with the design not CHOSING
Probably the only example I can think of that isn't mentioned here (at least not in depth, the intro kind of alluded to it) was dissecting PROFESSIONAL, MASS-PRODUCED ART (usually comics) so that viewers can learn from their flaws. . Its primary goal is to help, no specific artist is targetted, and often it's older art that the artist has already taken experience from and probably has nothing left to learn from.
It was pretty common back in Tumblr's peak, but I'm not sure if it's so much of a thing anymore. Probably because the channels you mentioned fill that niche with user-submitted art.
Otherwise, most of these examples are counterproductive at best and just... absolutely scummy at worst.
I saw someone “fixing” a pro-shipper’s art of a farther being weird with his daughter (it was Fnaf if you know you know) and all i could think was, why not just draw your own fan art of the two having a normal dad and daughter relationship? Instead of “fixing” their art and giving them exposure?
I remember ages ago there was this kid on DA who would recolor Sonic art & believed that people were intentionally coloring the arms & legs wrong specifically to piss him off. People believed he was either autistic or has schizophrenia.
If Celestia were in Tears of Themis, she'd be hella awesome at the debate parts. 💜
Love your videos. 😊
all art fixing is a worse form of someone copying your picture right down to the details. I've had MANY people redraw/direct copy my work in the past which bothers me endlessly because my art has lots of mistakes due to my problems with astigmatism and blood pressure problems with my eyes and you can tell they never pick up in that when pinching my artwork. art fixing to me is basically the samething but taken to an extereme just to bully other artists. if you want more representation please make something brand new of your own instead of stealing or destroying people's work. if we are missing representation somewhere it doesn't hurt to make more new creations to help widen and open people's eyes to wanting more. show that representation matters in asking for more to be created as atm media is obsessed with nostalgia and needs to break away from it! go about it the right way people will pay attention.
also just want to say this so people stop saying this in the comments: people who ask someone to help them out are not asking for art to be fixed. they're asking for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM which is a completely different thing as it's done with express permission of the artist who WANTS the assistance. it boggles my mind that the words Constructive Criticism are considered bad😅
Good video! Thank you. I agree 💯%! 😊
You're so correct! Thank you for saying it. Fixing art doesn't make represenation.
Cookie Run is filled to the brim with Art Fixes.
It’s even stupider since the cookies do not have actual races.
Yeah, I think it's stupid on how some of those people can't enjoy some art
@@riotkitty even if they did, it would likely be the origin of where the cookie they're based off is from.
Hey Celestia, do you think there’s a better term for constructive art critique than “art fixing” that is more appealing than “art critique”? Just curious
If attached to a real explanation of how to draw better, the picture could be called a demonstration, example, or inspiration.
If not, then "tweak" or "edit" at least sounds less obnoxious than "fix".
Every time someone brings up art-fixing just gives me an image of a nerd emoji saying "well aCtUaLly you piece is wrong + L + Ratio + I have audacity 🤓" xD
Changing a person of color in art to make them white is wrong but so is Taki a white character and making them black is equally wrong.
Plain and simple.